2008.10.21 07:00 - Complexity of my Assumptions

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    Riddle Sideways: good morning all
    Adams Dubrovna: Good Morning Riddle :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Just me
    Riddle Sideways: ah Adams
    Riddle Sideways: I could not see whom yet
    Riddle Sideways: lets see whcih mat is for kneeling
    Riddle Sideways gives up
    Adams Dubrovna: Try the blue one
    Adams Dubrovna: ahh
    Riddle Sideways: TY
    Riddle Sideways: ahhhh
    Riddle Sideways: this is the way I sit, RL
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: That's important
    Adams Dubrovna: The Adamses have had a bit too much real life in the last few days
    Riddle Sideways: as I understand
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Riddle Sideways: from the emails
    Riddle Sideways: RL and PaB collide
    Adams Dubrovna: It's been a bit of a test for our group
    Riddle Sideways: sounded it
    Adams Dubrovna: We had some good discussions there and all the talk has been about who looked what
    Riddle Sideways: I was very confused over the emails
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes, I can see where you might be
    Riddle Sideways: especially the photo thread
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Riddle Sideways kept losing track of who said what
    Maxine Walden is Online
    Adams Dubrovna: The meetings themselves were good. Were you able to attend the August meeting in Berkeley?
    Riddle Sideways: no, I missed that too
    Riddle Sideways: had been in that direction just the week before
    Adams Dubrovna: I found it enriching to meet people
    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Maxine :)
    Riddle Sideways: morning Maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi, Adams and Riddle, nie to see you both!
    Adams Dubrovna: Nice to see you too :)
    Riddle Sideways: seeing is the optimal word
    Maxine Walden: isn't it, yes, Riddle! So many ways/perspectives of seeing
    Riddle Sideways: and the reviewing of what everyone has seen
    Maxine Walden: right...
    Riddle Sideways: I was traveling and out of internet range all last week
    Maxine Walden: oh?
    Riddle Sideways: most others were in RL contact
    Adams Dubrovna: A few of us were
    Maxine Walden: does that leave you feeling out of the loop?
    Riddle Sideways: mostly, but I was reading old logs
    Riddle Sideways: and I may not want ot meet some of you :)
    Riddle Sideways: from what some have said
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Maxine Walden: indeed, might be a shady bunch or a few...oh what have some said?
    Riddle Sideways: RL meeting have changed thier ...
    Adams Dubrovna: There has been a tendency to focus on the superficial...that initial tendency might dafe
    Riddle Sideways: [what is the abbr. for "fill in the blank]
    Adams Dubrovna: The meeting in RL did not change my opinion of anyone...it only made it richer
    Riddle Sideways: ah, very good
    Maxine Walden: I think as well that I feel my perceptions/experiences deepened re each person/av, not always as I might have expected, but deepened indeed
    Maxine Walden: as I became aware of the complexity of my assumptions but also others' presentations as well
    Maxine Walden: I had a dream early this morning which I gazed upon for a few minutes:
    Riddle Sideways: oh, I love that expression "complexity of my assumptions"
    Riddle Sideways: pls, tell of dream
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine?
    Maxine Walden: yes, well it was a tangle of imagery, sort of a crowd of folks, not too well defined, all mingling with snakes, serpents, rather friendly reptiles...
    Maxine Walden: of a sort, and then everyone seemed to come together in a western corral type setting
    Maxine Walden: as if to share experiences. I heard someone say (can't recall but the last bit)
    Maxine Walden: which was 'how can you dream Montana?'
    Maxine Walden: my immediate thought about the dream began with
    Maxine Walden: feeling that it represented some of my experience with the RL group this weekend, all of us
    Maxine Walden: dealing with primitive aspects of self and other...but then
    Maxine Walden: my thought went on to help me see something I have been wrestling with
    Maxine Walden: maybe my internal reptiles
    Maxine Walden: which has to do with what directions to follow, what voices, dreams, senses to use as compass
    Maxine Walden: as I transition in my professional life to some extent
    Maxine Walden: and I have always loved the wide open spaces of Montana and the
    Maxine Walden: natural beauty and 'honesty' of the land as it were...think that comment was about
    Maxine Walden: following that dream, if you will, that inner wide space, any beauty there might be and the honesty of that inner landscape...something like that
    Maxine Walden: one of my reptiles has been to idealize others, that they have the answer, the best ideas, that they should be the leaders...
    Maxine Walden: and once again it feels that I have had to learn that gentle lesson that to idealize another
    Maxine Walden: is to bypass the quiet inner authority of the self which is really the one to follow
    Maxine Walden: (end of thought for now)
    Adams Dubrovna: wow Maxine
    Riddle Sideways: yes, all I can say is wow
    Adams Dubrovna: Quite abit in one dream and what a great thouhgt on which to end it
    Maxine Walden: hope what I said was not intimidating...dreams have been a companion for some time
    Adams Dubrovna: No, not at all. Wonderful thoughts
    Maxine Walden: and I think I had some fantasy about the RL Princeton experience...that it would 'point the way' to something...so the dream just reflects back upon my own landscape perhaps
    Riddle Sideways: the richness of the ideas, concepts and flow
    Adams Dubrovna: The Princeton gathering would be worth it just for that Maxine
    Maxine Walden: right, Adams, thought so too
    Riddle Sideways: would?
    Adams Dubrovna: was
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Maxine Walden: it feels like a privilege to have some quality of inner discourse with dreams...but it has been something of an activity over decades
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Maxine Walden: did you feel the Princeton weekend would be a pointer in any way, Adams?
    Adams Dubrovna: you have taught me things about dreams although I think on aless complex level
    Maxine Walden: ah, nice to share...
    Adams Dubrovna: No Maxine, I did not have those expectations
    Adams Dubrovna: I did not have any expectations
    Maxine Walden: ah, perhaps more in the spirit ofapproaches to Being than I
    Maxine Walden: ie no expectatios
    Adams Dubrovna: You seemed to have opened yourself to a far richer experience than I had
    Maxine Walden: Riddle, don't want to have you feel out of the loop here...maybe the discussion of the RL experience might do so
    Riddle Sideways: no no please go on
    Riddle Sideways: I will type in when ...
    Riddle Sideways was comparing expectations and assumptions
    Riddle Sideways: 2 weird words
    Maxine Walden: OK, you know, Adams, hard to know what is 'rich' or 'richer' at each moment, guess we each proceed according to our immediate experrience
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine. It is really good to hear about your thoughts
    Maxine Walden: Riddle, re those two words....what thoughts?
    Adams Dubrovna: I find myself on a bit of a roller coaster. Sometimes ready for something new and then withdrawing back and starting again
    Riddle Sideways: we make assumptions. we make expectations. then try to get others to live up to them
    Adams Dubrovna: ah
    Maxine Walden: I know that feeling well, Adams.
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Riddle Sideways: yes, roller coaster
    Maxine Walden: interesting, Riddle
    Adams Dubrovna: On asumptions, I think those we had about each other were superficial
    Riddle Sideways: do you find yourselves comparing the current high/low to the last apex?
    Maxine Walden: not sure what you are asking, Riddle
    Adams Dubrovna: hmm. I think less than when I started on this ride :)
    Adams Dubrovna: No I more or less enjoy the ride except maybe when I am on the low swing. then I may worry a little but less than the last time
    Adams Dubrovna: Now instead of No
    Maxine Walden: yes, think I know what you are asking Riddle, since PaB I have had fewer really high or really low times, more measured, more reflective which seems to modulate the extremities of experience
    Riddle Sideways: interesting, I would have thought the opposite
    Maxine Walden: oh, please say more, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: that some people are hitting higher highs and lower lows
    Riddle Sideways: as they touch parts of Being
    Adams Dubrovna: Hmmm. I am thinking it is both ways for me - more extreme in some ways and less in toehrs
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Riddle
    Maxine Walden: that may be, but for me, things matter less, so I am not so dissapointed or pushed around when things do or don't work out. And when things are wonderful I seem to experience that in quieter ways
    Riddle Sideways: right [other half chimes in] the constant inspections of every 15 min have moderated our experiences
    Maxine Walden: think that is what i am referring to, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: seems we get both sides
    Maxine Walden: not that life is more muted at all, not at all, in fact it seems more beautiful, with more depth and possibility
    Adams Dubrovna: In addition the subtraction of identities has removed some of the effect of the lows
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine
    Riddle Sideways: are we doing extremes in moderation or moderating to the extreme ? :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Maxine Walden: interesting question, Riddle
    Adams Dubrovna: interesting riddle
    Riddle Sideways: just in pasting
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Riddle Sideways: the removing of "me" in the inspection/play with Being
    Riddle Sideways: removes the hi/low of "me"
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Maxine Walden: yes, agree
    Riddle Sideways wonders why I always think Being does not have hi/low
    Riddle Sideways: the leading edge of Being as we approach would have height
    Riddle Sideways: opps, forgot Avastu for a moment
    Maxine Walden: I would like to think about that,...Avastu?
    Maxine Walden: (I will have to go in about 5 minutes, for RL work)
    Riddle Sideways: All that is, is
    Riddle Sideways: yes, I have to leave at 8 too
    Riddle Sideways: was anybody here last tuesday
    Maxine Walden: can't recall whether I was, probably not
    Adams Dubrovna: Just want to say this has been a good session for me. I have been wandering around in the wrong direction the last day or so and and you havehelped me to see that
    Riddle Sideways: maxine did, yes
    Adams Dubrovna: I ans't here then
    Maxine Walden: oh, glad it has been helpful...
    Adams Dubrovna: Both of you helped :)
    Maxine Walden: yes, likely our group 'being'
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Maxine Walden: is helpful for the lostness we can each feel
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Riddle Sideways: ah, but lostness is often good too
    Riddle Sideways: play with it
    Adams Dubrovna: a necessary place it seems
    Maxine Walden: right, just thinking of that as well
    Maxine Walden: yes, lostness can be creative as well as a bit painful
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Maxine Walden: Riddle, were you looking for the log for last Tues?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, it was lost
    Maxine Walden: oh, another lostness
    Adams Dubrovna: :(
    Riddle Sideways: I was on an airplane at the time
    Riddle Sideways: nobody answered my 'need guardian" nor "where is log" emails
    Maxine Walden: maybe in the nature of Being it is not too great a problem is a log remains 'lost';
    Riddle Sideways: true
    Adams Dubrovna: I wonder if Wol might be of some help. I wonder how long the autologging logs last
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine
    Maxine Walden: I have wondered about that too, if no one comes to fill in, is it a disaster, or just another thing to let 'be'
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: You can right up an entry with that thought Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: just write that nobody came to listen to the wind chimes
    Maxine Walden: Dear friend, I had better go. Really have enjoyed our conversation as I always do. And see you both very soon, I hope.
    Adams Dubrovna: bye Maxine :)
    Riddle Sideways: bye, Maxine
    Maxine Walden: friends, of course,
    Maxine Walden: bye
    Riddle Sideways: C'ya soon
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, of course
    Maxine Walden is Offline
    Riddle Sideways: if nobody is there to listen to the software, does it still play the wind chimes :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Riddle Sideways: I shall think of repiles the rest of the day
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I never seem to dream about reptiles
    Adams Dubrovna: I know I was dreaming about crowds of people myself but I didn;t remember the details
    Riddle Sideways: I go thru periods of not dreaming and then over dreaming
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, me too
    Adams Dubrovna: or at least remembering and not remembering
    Riddle Sideways: but, I need to go to RL stuff
    Riddle Sideways: this conversation could go on and on
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, it was good to see you this morning :)
    Riddle Sideways: Adams, we shall talk of dreams another time
    Adams Dubrovna: sounds good. bye :)

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