2008.10.21 19:00 - Love, Love, Love

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    Adelene was the guardian for the evening, and the comments are hers. 


    Adelene Dawner: Hullo Corvi ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello, Adelene ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thank you.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Adelene Dawner mrrrs and goes afk for a moment - eccedrin needs to happen.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Bell: *ding*
    Adelene Dawner sighs, wondering if BF is ever going to grasp the concept that just because she seems ok doesn't mean she's not dealing with overload. :P
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. :-(
    Adelene Dawner: I kinda doubt it at this point. :P
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, too bad.
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm

    Threedee joined the pile.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi Threedee.
    Adelene Dawner: Hullo, Love :)
    Threedee Shepherd: hi folks
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles warmly at ThreeDee
    Adelene Dawner: MiSe progress happened; the HUd-sensor interface isfunctional if not pretty.
    Threedee Shepherd: Threedee just wasted onoe hour dealing with a 4 GB file that needs to be split up to work with :(
    Adelene Dawner: :(
    Threedee Shepherd: functional now, pretty soon (dual parse)
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm :)
    Threedee Shepherd: are you Guardian tonite Corvi?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: No.
    Adelene Dawner: Nope, I am.
    Threedee Shepherd: OH, filling in temp as I recall now.
    Adelene Dawner: Something like that.
    Threedee Shepherd: Corvi, I have wondered since I first saw your full name CorvusCorva what its derivation is?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Corvus is the family of birds including Crows and Magpies...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and Corva is nonsense..lots of people like crows, it seems.
    Threedee Shepherd: I even knew that, somewhere on the soft disk in my head :)
    Adelene Dawner: hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: lots of things to know.
    Threedee Shepherd: fortunately, most can now be easily looked up ;D
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Teeheehee..Yay Wickipedia!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Threedee..I was telling Adelene I wish you hadn't told me about feeling the blood in your brain.
    Threedee Shepherd: why?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: cause now I keep thinking I can.
    Adelene Dawner: Did our takl about overload earlier help at all?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...a little.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: at least I can think..."overload = aspirin"
    Adelene Dawner nods. "Better than nothing, anyway."
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: IT's not bad most of the time...

    Neela joined us, sitting at a polite distance from the two-lion pileup.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: just occasionally.
    Bell: *ding*
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Neela!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think the worst part is thinking that it might be my imagination.
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Corvu, seem to be having some computer probles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: awareness or suggestion?
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Three
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Adelene
    Threedee Shepherd: It likely is your imagination., and is not harmful in any case :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Neela Blaisdale: What have you been talking about ?
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi Neela
    Neela Blaisdale: Ade, are you a lion now?
    Adelene Dawner is waiting for the eccedrin she just took to kick in, so not talking much. But hi. :)
    Adelene Dawner: yes, lion :) with wings. :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: didn't mean to interrupt, what were you discussing?
    Threedee Shepherd: bloody brains !
    Neela Blaisdale: ??
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.

    All was quiet for a while...

    Adelene Dawner: Yay, eccedrin. :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: better?
    Adelene Dawner: noticably, though not completely. I'll take what I can get.

    Another silence...

    Neela Blaisdale: din't notice we were talking in IM
    Neela Blaisdale: thought we were in chat:)
    Adelene Dawner: We were? I missed it to, if so...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Neela and I were.
    Adelene Dawner: oh :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: my fault, Neela.
    Neela Blaisdale: we were just talking about how cozy Corvu is with 2 lions on her lap
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmhmm.
    Neela Blaisdale: Must be warm
    Adelene Dawner purrs. "Corvi has a nice lap for lions." ^.^
    Bell: *ding*
    Corvuscorva Nightfire scritches Adelene's ears.
    Neela Blaisdale: maybe I should sit closer
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Adelene Dawner: Feel free ^^

    Neela moved to the nearest empty cushion.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^

    Stevenaia turned up.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Steve!
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Adelene Dawner: Hi Steve ^.^
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Neela, long time
    Adelene Dawner: We're having a quiet, cuddly evening this evening. ^.^
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh, is tonight dofferent?
    stevenaia Michinaga: ..smiles
    Adelene Dawner laughs.
    stevenaia Michinaga: nothign has rezzed cept Neela
    Neela Blaisdale: lots of lions
    Adelene Dawner: Corvi's over here, under a pile of lions. ^.^
    Neela Blaisdale: sitting on Corvu
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Neela Blaisdale thinking might need to become a lion one day
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    stevenaia Michinaga: quite the pile up in the corner
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Threedee Shepherd: cosy :)
    Neela Blaisdale: a cozy pride:)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, scritches 3D's ears.
    Threedee Shepherd: mmmmmm
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Adelene Dawner ponders asking a question that could turn awkward, but that she's curious about.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hm?
    stevenaia Michinaga: which "she", you she?
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, me being curious.
    Adelene Dawner: It's something Three and I were talking about earlier, tangential to the meetup... I'm kind of curious how you guys see my and Three's relationship. I know it's hard to define and wonder what category if any you guys are putting it in.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: category?
    Neela Blaisdale: You mean tonight? or before?
    stevenaia Michinaga: see, why see, we can speculate... grin
    Adelene Dawner: In general.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs at Steve.
    Bell: *ding*
    stevenaia Michinaga: why ask when you can tell us what it is
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Partners in crime?
    stevenaia Michinaga: inseperable on some levels, increadibly complientary
    Neela Blaisdale: well didn't really think about it until tonight, then wondered if you were mates although not exactly sure what I meant by that., Wondering if you are together in some way now in Sl, partners or such?
    stevenaia Michinaga: complimentry I think I ment as in two together make one
    Neela Blaisdale: think you look beautiful together
    stevenaia Michinaga: what do you guys think you are you are, other than open to interpritation
    Threedee Shepherd: First: We are "business partners" in that my company finds the business and pays Ade to do much of the actual work.
    Neela Blaisdale: in RL business?
    Threedee Shepherd: Second:We talk to each other about things mainly relevant to PaB and brain and being, ALOT.
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. "Most of what's been said is true in at least some sense, though 'mates' is a bit of a stretch." ^.^
    Threedee Shepherd: RL business that does most of its work as a SL provider
    Neela Blaisdale is very cnfused about the business part
    stevenaia Michinaga: trust me, that;s not what we see here
    Threedee Shepherd: I am one of four partners (none of the others are in PaB) who owns a company called 3D Embodiment (3DE, LLC) in RL. http://3demb.com that does Virtual Reality systems integration in RL and builds sims and such, in SL. We own 3DE, Embodiment Island.
    stevenaia Michinaga: but in my office with my associate, you would see much of the same.. my wife referes to here as my office wife, you officemate is not happy with that term however
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Oh, I'm so glad you shared that...I wondered what your company did.

    Geo arrived.

    Threedee Shepherd: On occasion,Ade and I seem to share common BEING brainspace, whatever that means ;)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Geo!
    Adelene Dawner: What a line for Geo to walk in on. Hi, Geo. :)
    Geo Netizen: Hello everyone
    Threedee Shepherd: It's my (I don't need to make a living out of it) retirement business ;D
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Geo, nice to meet you
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi Geo
    Geo Netizen: :)
    Geo Netizen: Hi 3D
    Geo Netizen: Very nice to meet you Neela ...
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Geo
    Threedee Shepherd: Actually, looking back at 55 minutes of log, this session is mainly pleasant sharing of just BEING :)
    Geo Netizen: Hello again Stevenaia, nice to see you again
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Geo Netizen: It seem thought that Corvi has two cats in her lap at the moment :)))
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmhmm.
    Adelene Dawner: Don't knock it 'till you've tried it, Geo. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: I’m envious … :))
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Adelene Dawner is too comfy to move, this time.
    Geo Netizen: Maybe next time … I put in my reservation …
    Adelene Dawner: hehe
    Neela Blaisdale: Me too!
    Threedee Shepherd: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: love lions
    Bell: *ding*
    Geo Netizen: Cats are …. o …. Special !
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Geo Netizen: Ahhh … banana nut specials …. Excellent.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire snerks.
    Geo Netizen: I’ve recently acquired some very good Saki … anyone interested.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, smiling.
    ryusho Ort is Online
    Threedee Shepherd: Oh, YES, but which of these ports on my computer should I put the glass under ;D ?
    Sake (koshu) whispers: Enjoy the best sake Corvuscorva Nightfire
    Geo Netizen: Not sure myself where to put it
    Geo Netizen: so I'll guess
    Sake (koshu) whispers: Enjoy the best sake Threedee Shepherd
    Geo Netizen: :)
    Geo Netizen: I thing Stevenaia is getting bored …
    Geo Netizen: he nodee iff .. :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, I;m distracted by IM;'s
    Geo Netizen: oooo bad typos
    Neela Blaisdale: whoa
    stevenaia Michinaga: haha, I do the best typos
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: That's true, Steve..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: your's are almost always funny.
    Neela Blaisdale: never saw 3 stand up before!
    Threedee Shepherd: I need to go massage the RL business :) g'night all :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: that's quite a tail he has
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: gnight, 3D.
    Neela Blaisdale: nite 3D
    Geo Netizen: Goodnight 3d

    Threedee left for the evening.

    stevenaia Michinaga: where are you located Geo?
    Geo Netizen: ?? SL or FL
    stevenaia Michinaga: RL, you always come in at the end
    Geo Netizen: My apologies about that …. I am actually in Minnesota so …. No excuse ...
    Geo Netizen: Just get online and get distracted ... all I can say ...
    stevenaia Michinaga: I've been there, no problem
    Geo Netizen: is I'm playing :))))
    Geo Netizen: Don’t forget … Adelene … my lap is reserved next time ….
    Geo Netizen: If you don’t mind of course ….!!
    Neela Blaisdale: well I must get some sleep, or try anyway. Goodnight all
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm getting sleepie, time to go, see you soon
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: g'night, Neela.
    stevenaia Michinaga: good seeing youa gain Neela
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: G'night, Steve
    Geo Netizen: Very nice to meet you Neela
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye all
    Neela Blaisdale: Night all, nice to meet you as well Geo
    Geo Netizen: Hope to see you again soon
    Neela Blaisdale: have a peaceful night everyone
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and you, Neela.
    Adelene Dawner: 'night Neela :)

    Stevenaia and Neela left, leaving me, Corvi, and Geo to continue talking.

    Geo Netizen: I must say both of you, Corvi and Adelene, look very find this evening.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins. Thanks, Geo.
    Geo Netizen: Ahh ... 'fine' !
    Bell: *ding*
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: The Sake is wonderful, thank you.
    Geo Netizen: So … I always miss so much of the discussion … I have to go back to wiki …
    Geo Netizen: You're welcome
    Geo Netizen: Did you get some Adelene?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles. We discussed so little, this evening!
    Adelene Dawner: No, thanks. Geo. Hard to drink saki with no hands. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: Adelene … you implied, I think, that you’re able to stay online indefinitely ….
    Geo Netizen: I always get kicked off with 30 min of inactivity …
    Geo Netizen: How do you do it?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm. Do you have the 'Advanced' menu active?
    Geo Netizen: Yes
    Adelene Dawner: The option is in Advanced > Character > Character Tests > Go Away/AFK When Idle. Make sure that's unchecked.
    Geo Netizen: Ahhh . so simple … you are wonderful Adelene … kiss :)
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: May I get a little … o …. Introspective … might be the word
    Corvuscorva Nightfire gets intereted in "advanced' functions all the sudden.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.."yes"
    Geo Netizen: I’ve found the interaction to be exciting dynamic with the group … very challenging… but
    Adelene Dawner: but?
    Geo Netizen: Be honest now …. Is there any discussion of my being …. O … say … irritating ?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: you?
    Geo Netizen: or anythig else llike that ....
    Geo Netizen: Yes ... me
    Adelene Dawner: H haven't been around for a few days but just knowing the group, I really doubt it. ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire shakes her head, speechless.
    Adelene Dawner: *I haven't
    Adelene Dawner: And, even if you were I doubt it'd be a big deal. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: Ok ... the discussion are very dymamic and the flow can be Chaotic
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: This group is incredibly direct about these things, anyway.
    Geo Netizen: but I find that very exciting and ....
    Adelene Dawner: Yup to both of you. ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: if there was something like that, you'd know pretty quick.
    Geo Netizen: after taking a day or two to reflction ...
    Geo Netizen: it's most Challenging
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: interesting.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hm
    Geo Netizen: Well, thanks for letting me be a little self-centered here ….
    Geo Netizen: I know that really what it is …
    Corvuscorva Nightfire tilts her head to listen.
    Geo Netizen: But the reassurance is very …. O …
    Adelene Dawner: I think I know what you're getting at, Geo, and here's the relevant piece of information if I'm right. This group has pretty much decided without even talking about it that most of the normal social boundaries are irrelevant here. Feel free to be as 'out there' as you naturally are - if that *actually causes a problem* we'll let you know, otherwise, no worries. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: Reassuring1
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Geo Netizen: :))))
    Geo Netizen: Adelene, you’re absolute marvelous … you really are.
    Geo Netizen: :))
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins. Yes.
    Bell: *ding*
    Adelene Dawner laughs. "People *do* keep saying that for some reason."
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: sorry..it's as irrisistable as ear scritching.
    Adelene Dawner chuckles and purrs.
    Geo Netizen: And you too Corvi … I love you both (****per previous definitions****)
    Adelene Dawner wanders off to the wiki to look for new definitions of that recuring theme ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...and I you.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: as per.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: which one, adelene? special, compliments or scritching?
    Adelene Dawner: (any particular logs I should be looking at?)
    Geo Netizen: Recurring theme ??
    Adelene Dawner: 'love'
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: love, I think.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: this one, maybe.
    Geo Netizen: Ahhh …. would you like an review now?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I would.
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, today has been a good day for being love, but words are also interesting... yes, please, Geo. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: Ok … but you have to give me some grace here. …
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Adelene Dawner: No worries ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: of course.
    Geo Netizen: If I claim to love someone then ….
    Geo Netizen: How do I know if its true …
    Geo Netizen: I ask myself two questions …
    Geo Netizen: If something good and wonder happens to that person …

    Claire arrived In the middle of Geo's explanation, sidetracking us for a few minutes.

    Geo Netizen: What is my first reaction ….. am delighted or jealous?
    Claire Beltran: hi!
    Geo Netizen: If something bad happens to that person …
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Claire!
    Claire Beltran: Like the outfit?
    Adelene Dawner: Hi Claire ^.^
    Geo Netizen: Hi Claire .... join us please
    Geo Netizen: If something bad happens to that person …
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: cold today?
    Claire Beltran: Haha... oh. you wouldn't believe it. It's almost like winter in New York.
    Adelene Dawner rumbles at Corvi... Geo's trying to talk. ;)
    Geo Netizen: O … it’s only 43 here and I’m north of you
    Geo Netizen: Claire would you like me to
    Geo Netizen: review the topic so far or
    Geo Netizen: Just plunge ahead?
    Claire Beltran: Oh, feel free to review.
    Geo Netizen: Glad too ... subject Love ...
    Geo Netizen: If I claim to love someone then ….
    Geo Netizen: How do I know if it's true …
    Geo Netizen: I ask myself two questions …
    Geo Netizen: If something good and wonder happens to that person …
    Geo Netizen: What is my first reaction ….. am I delighted or jealous?
    Geo Netizen: So … If something bad happens to that person …
    Geo Netizen: I’m I truly sorry or do I say …. Yes!!!! They deserved that … …
    Geo Netizen: I can say in the case of Corvi and Adelene that I would be delighted in their good …
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Geo Netizen: I'm not sure of the word here ...
    Bell: *ding*
    Geo Netizen: And truly sad at anything bad … so I’d say in a fundamental way I love them…
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Adelene Dawner: Sounds familiar ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: It does?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: tell me more?
    Geo Netizen: Any other claim … in my opinion … is more narcistic that it is love
    Adelene Dawner: Mmhmm. It's a practical, moderately mundane perspective on the same concept set that I use. ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah
    Geo Netizen: Someone came to me at the mountain in one of the SL places …
    Geo Netizen: And she said this guy pursued her with so much passion ...
    Adelene Dawner: Wrong already ^.^
    Adelene Dawner: That's not love. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: But then … she responded and … then he lost interest … and she asked …
    Geo Netizen: What was he after …. And I knew that it was self affirmation ….
    Adelene Dawner: To love someone is simply to understand (though most people don't know-that-they-know, even if they do understand it) that you and the other person are fundamentally the same, that they are part of you. You don't have to chase somethign that's already part of you.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, thoughtfully.
    Geo Netizen: It was self – directed … not relating to the other …
    Geo Netizen: Yes .... very insighful Adelene ... :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Geo Netizen: So eros … it’s not bad … it’s the desire to posses the other …
    Geo Netizen: But it must be converted to agape … the love that I tried to describe ….
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. that makes sense.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmm
    Geo Netizen: What you feel matter a great deal to me …
    Adelene Dawner: If you want to posess something, you already see it as outside of 'you'. It doesn't make sense to try to aquire something that you already have.
    Adelene Dawner: But that's not quite the same division as eros/agape, I think.
    Claire Beltran: 'Agape'?
    Geo Netizen: You both are so very …. !! … I fell like I’m wasting my time trying to explain something you already know implicitly.
    Adelene Dawner: Agapē (IPA: /ˈægəpiː/[1]) (Gk. αγάπη [aˈɣa.pi]), is one of several Greek words translated into English as love. The word has been used in different ways by a variety of contemporary and ancient sources, including Biblical authors. Many have thought that this word represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love. Greek philosophers at the time of Plato and other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to philia—an affection that could denote either brotherhood or generally non-sexual affection, and eros, an affection of a sexual nature. The term 'agape' is rarely used in ancient manuscripts, but was used by the early Christians to refer to the self-sacrificing love of God for humanity, which they were committed to reciprocating and practicing towards God and among one another (also see kenosis).
    Geo Netizen: Agape is the type of love that I was trying to describe at first.
    Adelene Dawner grins at Geo. "No worries. Once you know that we know, and we know that you know, we can move on to more interesting things." ^.^
    Geo Netizen: O gosh ... Adelene.....
    Geo Netizen: you were way ahead of me
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs..for me it was interesting, useful.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thank you.
    Geo Netizen: I'm so taotally impressed
    Adelene Dawner laughs.
    Geo Netizen: Is the tao in totally a slip?
    Adelene Dawner: The thing with me is that I come to this from a very different perspective than most. The things that I find easy are advanced concepts for most people, and the things that most people find easy are advanced concepts for me. There *is* a balance, it's just not easy to see all the time.
    Adelene Dawner: tao what??
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mistyping.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: "taotally"
    Adelene Dawner: oh ^.^
    Geo Netizen: ao (道, Pinyin Dào ) is a metaphysical concept found in Taoism, Confucianism, and more generally in ancient Chinese philosophy. While the character itself translates as "way," "path," or "route," or sometimes more loosely as "doctrine" or "principle," it is used philosophically to signify the fundamental or true nature of the world. The concept of Tao differs from conventional (western) ontology, however; it is an active and holistic conception of the world, rather than a static, atomistic one.
    In Taoism, Tao both precedes and encompasses the universe. As with other nondualistic philosophies, all the observable objects in the world - referred to in the Tao Te Ching as 'the named' or 'the ten thousand things' - are considered to be manifestations of Tao, and can only operate within the boundaries of Tao. Tao is, by contrast, often referred to as 'the nameless', because neither it nor its principles can ever be adequately expressed in words. It is conceived, for example, with neither shape nor form, as simu
    Adelene Dawner: Geo, has the idea of 'meta-flexibility' come up yet while you've been here?
    Geo Netizen: No not meta-flexibility
    Geo Netizen: Anyway … for what it’s worth …that’s my understanding of love and … though it may seem strange to some … why I can honestly say … I love you guys.
    Claire Beltran: 'Meta'flexibility'?
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^ Love you too, Geo. ^.^
    Claire Beltran: Really?
    Claire Beltran: Thank you. You, too ^-^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins happily.
    Claire Beltran: It's hard for me to say 'love' though... because a stock reaction of mine towards a lot of success of a lot of people is jealousy... not because I blieve they are taking something away from me, but because I feel like I can never 'catch up'.
    Bell: *ding*
    Adelene Dawner will explain metaflexibility another time. ^.^
    Adelene Dawner hmms at Claire.
    Geo Netizen: But I think the ‘take away’ is …
    Geo Netizen: A form of eros that dose not, as it should…
    Geo Netizen: If healthy love … convert to agape ....
    Geo Netizen: It is arrested in its develop and not healthy for either
    Adelene Dawner: So long as good things are happening, does it matter who gets credit? If we're all one, does the idea of getting credit even make sense?
    Geo Netizen: ?? did I say something about earning credit … if I did I misspoke
    Geo Netizen: My apologies
    Adelene Dawner: Not you... 'getting credit' is related to 'success' which Claire brought up.
    Geo Netizen: I hope you don’t consider this silly but Claire … but I really appreciate you questions ….. they make me rethink important and consequential things.
    Geo Netizen: I’m so glad you stopped by tonight!
    Adelene Dawner: Agreed ^.^
    Claire Beltran: Really? How?
    Adelene Dawner can answer that but you might not like what she says... :\
    Claire Beltran: Feel free... really.
    Geo Netizen: To answer will take a moment
    Adelene Dawner: Well, personally, I've been poking at the problem of how to best interact with people who don't yet grok some of these concepts. (I've in fact been struggling with that for years; as mentioned I've always found these concepts natural and the idea the others don't is confusing to me.)
    Adelene Dawner: So having the opportunity to do that here, with others around to help, is useful.
    Geo Netizen: Some people view things as what you win I lose … and I believe that a lot of people operate at that level
    Claire Beltran: Oh, I'm not offended, Adelene.
    Geo Netizen: That is the root of jealousy …

    Another person joined in briefly – I was too focused on the conversation to remember to ask their permission to log their chat, so the name's been anonimized. (This is odd, he seems to know what we're about but I don't see the name in the wiki anywhere...)

    Claire Beltran: Yes, it is.
    Adelene Dawner: I know that they do that, Geo, but I really don't understand why, and more importantly I don't know how to react usefully to that fact.
    Adelene Dawner: Hi, Joe :)
    Joe Being: hi
    Geo Netizen: Hi Joe
    Joe Being: whats the topic tonight?
    Claire Beltran: Love... is that right?
    Claire Beltran: I came in fairly late.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: most definitely.
    Geo Netizen: Adelene … got lost on that last point and I wish I hadn’t
    Bell: *ding*
    Joe Being: love is often an illusion
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: you are right on, though.
    Joe Being: lust is so often confused with love
    Claire Beltran: Mmm, yes, that's a nother thing... I get frustrated at times because for the most part I'm only familiar with infatuation. Could it be that maybe I've neer been able to voice affection adequately that love can stick?
    Geo Netizen: We imagine we love when it is only eros incomplete…
    Adelene Dawner hisses at SL... sorry, I missed the last 10 lines or so.
    Joe Being: plus we so often want what we cant have and confuse that with love as well
    Geo Netizen: Again ... the posssive nature of eros!
    Claire Beltran pats Adelene. "Don't worry about it"
    Adelene Dawner: To clarify, Geo...
    Geo Netizen: I've found the lag tonight to be awful!
    Adelene Dawner: It's blindingly obvious to me that we're all one. It just *is*, natural as breathing.
    Adelene Dawner: When I run into someone who can't see that, it's confusing.
    Geo Netizen: We are all eternally unique but in intimate relations!
    Claire Beltran smiles. "And that must be a wonderful thing."
    Claire Beltran: I only hope that I can get that far one day.
    Geo Netizen: But we are all there .... we're just trying ...
    Geo Netizen: to see through the fog
    Claire Beltran: Hmm... when I spoke now, I think I grasped what Adelene was saying.... there was no jealousy... maybe awe, but not jealousy.
    Geo Netizen: O .... ;)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles warmly at Claire.
    Adelene Dawner: It causes problems for them, obvious ones. But just going "that's ridiculous, we're all one and thatmakes it irrelevant to worry about that" just doesn't *work*, most people aren't ready to make that leap.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: right.
    Geo Netizen: Corvi ... you're a marvel ;)
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, she is. ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles, blushing but happy.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Thank you.
    Geo Netizen: There's a fear of losing self ...
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. "Now you know how I feel, people going on about me all the time." ^.^
    Geo Netizen: I can understand that but ...
    Geo Netizen: I can only find myself in the other ...
    Geo Netizen: of that I am CONVINCED!
    Adelene Dawner: We are already whole *because* we are already one. Finding yourself in another *is* finding yourself in yourself, in a fundamental sense. ^.^
    Claire Beltran: Hehe ^-^
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Geo Netizen: /^:^\
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hahahah
    Geo Netizen: For me, it’s after 11 …. For those on the east coast its after midnight ….
    Caledonia Heron is Offline
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks up, guiltily.
    Geo Netizen: Don’t forget Adelene … my lap has a reservation :))
    Adelene Dawner: oh, wow, wikipedia surfing just turned up a word that describes my relationship with Three! ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it is..but so hard to leave...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh what!?
    Adelene Dawner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storge
    Geo Netizen: I’ve got to retire … as much as I love this fraternitas …
    Geo Netizen: O Adelene ... you make it so hard to leave !!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: gnight, Geo.
    Adelene Dawner: hehehe ^.^
    Geo Netizen: I have to work tomorrow …
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Claire Beltran: Good night, geo!
    Claire Beltran: *hug*
    Adelene Dawner: I have work, too... tonight *and* tomorrow. I should've been gone an hour and a half ago. ^.^
    Geo Netizen: *HUGS* *KISSES* to all
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, sighing...yes...me too.
    Adelene Dawner purrrrrs to everyone ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire blinks happily.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: g'night all.
    Geo Netizen: Pax et bonus to all
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: peace and well being to you.
    Adelene Dawner: See you tomorrow, Loves. ^.^

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