2008.10.27 01:00 - The almighty jellybean

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    Wol Euler was guardian, having swapped with Gaya.

    An old friend drops in.

    Wol Euler: hello eidolon, thanks for coming.
    Wol Euler: hello gaya
    Wol Euler: eidolon, this is Gaya -- ah but you met several times already.
    Eidolon Aeon: hello :)
    Eidolon Aeon: yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: I'm afraid I am on duty today, I am Guardian for this session, which is why I TP'd you here instead of meeting elsewhere.
    Wol Euler: but on precedent that won't be a problem :)
    Eidolon Aeon: session?
    Wol Euler: in theory we are meeting to discuss a meditation practice called Play as Being, and matters arising from it.
    Wol Euler: in practice, we often just talk about life and what's going on.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I will give you a notecard Eidolon
    Wol Euler: especially at the 1 am sessions
    Eidolon Aeon: ah
    Wol Euler waits for rezzing
    Gaya Ethaniel: beautiful hair Eidolon
    Eidolon Aeon: thank you
    Wol Euler: ah, wow, that is a very different look :-)
    Eidolon Aeon: quite :)
    Wol Euler: is this your trawling for noobs outfit?
    Wol Euler: no wonder you get hit on.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Eidolon Aeon laughs!
    Eidolon Aeon: I'd been stuck in the same shape for a long time,
    Eidolon Aeon: wanted to break out of it.
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eidolon Aeon: The blonde was the biggest departure, amusingly enough.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eidolon Aeon: Never been blonde in SL.
    Faenik: why not?
    Gaya Ethaniel remembers Eidolon's appearance last time... yes wasn't blonde no
    Wol Euler: nice one, faenik.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler: does it feel different?
    Eidolon Aeon: dunno... was blonde most of my life, and I currently associate it with... girl, sweet
    Eidolon Aeon: yes, very different
    Eidolon Aeon grins at Gaya, and remembers being a male last time around
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: a very handsome one at that
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Eidolon Aeon: I'm a gorgeous av. ;)
    Gaya Ethaniel: (btw, are you happy for your name/comments to be recorded onto our group wiki page?)
    Wol Euler: true, and always were
    Eidolon Aeon shrugs
    Wol Euler: yes, sorry, I forgot that part of my duties.
    Eidolon Aeon: sure, though a little self-conscious
    Wol Euler: Else we can say that the session has not yet begun...
    Eidolon Aeon: does all of this get published?
    Wol Euler: if you agree, and if the session has started, then yes.
    Wol Euler: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Eidolon Aeon: I feel a little strange, showing up and talking about being blonde. :D
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Wol Euler: (there is a prototype recorder running, but only Fael and I have access to the database records.)
    Wol Euler: we often talk about avs and identification, so it fits well.
    Eidolon Aeon: well then :)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Wol Euler: I remember tht you introduced a friend of mine to meditation in SL, do you still do that?
    Eidolon Aeon: I don't. I'd briefly remembered a couple of times lately.
    Gaya Ethaniel: brb
    Wol Euler: I've often thought of reminding you and inviting you to come here,
    Wol Euler: Corvi attends, she's probably told you about it.
    Eidolon Aeon: dunno... I could do a quick 10 minutes of quiet meditation, but discussion doesn't appeal
    Wol Euler: fair enough :) that happens sometimes too.
    Wol Euler: if you put your sound up, there's plenty of birdsong, and a chime will go in 11 minutes at the half.hour
    Wol Euler: shall we?
    Eidolon Aeon: heh, at the moment, I'm afraid if I meditate I'll have nothing to distract my head from my belly, and I'll lose the contents of my stomach
    Eidolon Aeon: Do you think you might like that?
    Eidolon Aeon: I'd love to take you up on it another time, though.
    Wol Euler: back, maybe
    Wol Euler: just had a minicrash, I think, but somehow survived
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb
    Wol Euler: ty
    Eidolon Aeon: Yeah, I've been having those.

    We attempt to settle down and be serious. 

    Eidolon Aeon: I'm afraid I've thoroughly distracted the discussion. By all means, please lead on, and I'll follow.
    Gaya Ethaniel: no worries we sometimes just sit here Eidolon
    Eidolon Aeon: ah, okay
    Wol Euler: there wasn't any discussion actually, you were here slightly before Gaya.
    Eidolon Aeon: ha, I didn't realize that
    Faenik: indeed?
    Wol Euler: last time we met, we were talking about head vs heart, or head cooperating with heart
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: heart being hedgehog-type and head being fox-type people
    Eidolon Aeon: hedgehog and fox?
    Wol Euler: a qoute from an ancient greek whose name escapes me [Archilochus]
    Wol Euler: "the fox knows many small things, but hte hedgehog knows one big thing"
    Eidolon Aeon: apt, then
    Wol Euler: the hedgehogs are the obsessives, the monomaniacs, the singleminded.
    Faenik: could be
    Wol Euler: which I suggested was related to the heart: all it knows is love
    Gaya Ethaniel: does fox or hedgehog have tunnel vision or both?
    Wol Euler: whereas the foxes (people like Shakespeare and Goethe for instance) are fascinated by life and always looking to collect new ideas and shiny things
    Wol Euler: the fox has inverted tunnel vision :) finds it hard to concentrate
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Eidolon Aeon: If we're talking of the heart as a source of emotion, I'd say the heart is often divided between many different things.
    Wol Euler: (somewhat harder, say)
    Eidolon Aeon: as the locale of emotion, rather
    Wol Euler: mm?
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Eidolon Aeon shrugs
    Wol Euler gives your hand a squeeze.
    Eidolon Aeon: fear, indifference
    Eidolon Aeon: shame
    Eidolon Aeon: I wouldn't consider the heart monogomous at all.
    Wol Euler: ah
    Gaya Ethaniel: true... but they are all closely related to each other
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Gaya Ethaniel: I mean... love and fear... they are related often
    Gaya Ethaniel: with facts and things that fox collects, they are not always related... am I making sense?
    Eidolon Aeon: yes :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: so heart is not quite a hedgehog?
    Wol Euler smiles. It was just a spur-of-the-moment suggestion.
    Faenik: why not?
    Wol Euler: some such things fly, others get made into omelettes.
    Eidolon Aeon laughs
    Gaya Ethaniel: great to have suggestions like that Wol... make me wonder/talk
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles... mm omelettes
    Eidolon Aeon shudders
    Wol Euler: shhhhhhh.
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm...?
    Eidolon Aeon: I'm awake at 1a because I'm too nauseated to sleep. :D
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
    Wol Euler: it really is 1:35 a.m. for Eidolon
    Gaya Ethaniel: gosh... sorry to hear it Eidolon
    Eidolon Aeon: me too, I'd love to be sleeping right now
    Eidolon Aeon pouts for a bit
    Gaya Ethaniel: aww...
    Wol Euler is sympathetic
    Eidolon Aeon remembers back to when she was nauseated 24/7, and considers herself feelng just fine
    Wol Euler grins
    Eidolon Aeon: pregnancey, Gaya
    Eidolon Aeon: -e
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... congratulations
    Eidolon Aeon: heh, thank you
    Eidolon Aeon: was a couple of years ago
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... so you're a female in RL
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Eidolon Aeon: ah, my secret is out!
    Wol Euler: some aren't...
    Gaya Ethaniel: obviously...
    Eidolon Aeon: no secret, actually ;)
    Wol Euler: now you will REALLY get hit on.
    Eidolon Aeon: heh
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: when is it due?
    Eidolon Aeon: 6/2/06
    Eidolon Aeon: ;)
    Eidolon Aeon: she's two
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: two?
    Eidolon Aeon: yup
    Gaya Ethaniel: twin?
    Eidolon Aeon: sorry, 2 years old
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... your first child
    Eidolon Aeon: yuppers, first and only
    Eidolon Aeon: never doing that again
    Wol Euler: heh
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... confused... you have a 2 year old child and another one on the way right?
    Eidolon Aeon: I'm so sorry, I've communicated terribly. I was pregnant and miserable 2 years ago, and was just remembering back to that.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... ok
    Eidolon Aeon: I just have the one little girl, and won't have any more.
    Gaya Ethaniel: well I'm still trying to wake up here so... misunderstood, sorry
    Eidolon Aeon: must be early morning for you, then :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: it's 8:42 now
    Eidolon Aeon laughs
    Wol Euler: time change thsi weekend.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Eidolon Aeon: I'm not a morning person either.
    Wol Euler: *changed
    Eidolon Aeon: oh!
    Eidolon Aeon: tonight, then?
    Gaya Ethaniel sips her tea
    Wol Euler: from saturday to sunday
    Eidolon Aeon: hasn't changed here
    Wol Euler: indeed.
    Faenik: could be
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure whether it has alwys been out of synch and I never knew, or whether that is a special treat this year.
    Wol Euler: but it seems even more silly than the whole time-channging business does anyway
    Gaya Ethaniel: people divided on this... still
    Eidolon Aeon: silly, definitely
    Wol Euler: I would like to see proof taht burning extra fuel to make an hour of light in the mornings is more efficient than burning extra fuel to make an hour of light in the evenings.
    Eidolon Aeon: :D

    Another new visitor. I was grateful for a chance to practice metta. 

    Wol Euler: hello henry
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Henry Ellsworth: Hello! Oh I do love tea
    Eidolon Aeon: :)
    Wol Euler: have you been here before?
    Henry Ellsworth: No! is it a book club or summit?
    Gaya Ethaniel: please help yourself. there is a coffee machine also
    Wol Euler: not exactly :)
    Wol Euler: there is plenty of discussion though.
    Wol Euler: officially we are a meditation group with a particuar set of practices, we meet to discuss them four times a day
    Henry Ellsworth: as long as it's not about womens health issues?
    Henry Ellsworth: ooh meditation
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Henry Ellsworth: i tried meditating once, but i woke up 8 hours later...
    Eidolon Aeon: women's health issues? :D
    Gaya Ethaniel: why not
    Henry Ellsworth: wellwhen i see a group of lovely looking women together, there's usually a catch - and it's womens things they're discussing...
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Henry Ellsworth: not politics or religion or how to make that perfect souffle
    Wol Euler: henry, we have a website that records the discussions here, http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Wol Euler: the discussion is recorded and published. May we have your permission to include you?
    Gaya Ethaniel: politics and religion are often discussed here
    Henry Ellsworth: Well that's fantastic, and yes you can publish my works!
    Henry Ellsworth: Although my works were already published long ago, I let my friend Will use his name and take the credit
    Henry Ellsworth: he cried when i made fun of his shiny head so i felt bad
    Gaya Ethaniel reads Henry's profile


    Explaining PaB. 

    Wol Euler: that notecard give you the basics of what we are about.
    Henry Ellsworth: Excellent, thanks.
    Henry Ellsworth: you want me to drop what I have?
    Henry Ellsworth: to see what i am?
    Wol Euler: in a word: yes.
    Henry Ellsworth: i tried that in a pub once, and i won
    Henry Ellsworth: came home with a black eye
    Wol Euler: this is not a pick-up joint, henry. Save that for another place.
    Faenik: could be
    Henry Ellsworth: my dear, i only came here to pick up a cup of tea.... i'm not that sort of person
    Eidolon Aeon: :)
    Henry Ellsworth: so this 9 second practice is a form of meditation yeah?
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes
    Wol Euler: a kind of stock-taking.
    Henry Ellsworth: I see.
    Faenik: indeed?
    Wol Euler: the idea of the "dropping what you have" being to see beyond your habits and customs, the way you identify yourself, the way you act
    Wol Euler: to find ... whatever is the inner you.
    Henry Ellsworth: I see.
    Wol Euler: my job and my name and my nationality, even my gender, are not my identity
    Wol Euler: they are tags that I have, some chosen others given
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Henry Ellsworth: so you want to go way beyond what we are in society, deeper within oneself, and you fidn a common area that every living being has? What do you achieve when you're in that area?
    Henry Ellsworth: In other words, what's teh point for you guys?
    Wol Euler: I'll let you know when I reach it.
    Henry Ellsworth: you're still looking for it?
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... don't need a point as such Henry
    Wol Euler: of course.
    Gaya Ethaniel: the process of exploration itself can be fulfiling
    Henry Ellsworth: I see.
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Eidolon Aeon giggles
    Henry Ellsworth: who si this faenik?
    Henry Ellsworth: **is
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... it is like... when I walk up a fell and look down onto a lake and the surrounding, which change as I climb. that is also important as well as reaching the top of the fell... make sense?
    Gaya Ethaniel: he sits on my shoulder
    Henry Ellsworth: ohok
    Gaya Ethaniel: anyway, that's how I see it
    Henry Ellsworth: the journey is just as important as the destination - got it
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: if not more so, actually.
    Gaya Ethaniel: kind of... not sure if I have a destination though... just keep going really
    Henry Ellsworth: i agree with the more so
    Henry Ellsworth: destination - afterlife? death? pension even?
    Gaya Ethaniel: don't know I'm afraid
    Wol Euler shrugs. a linguistic trick.
    Faenik: could be
    Henry Ellsworth: of getting a pension?
    Gaya Ethaniel: linguistic?
    Eidolon Aeon: I can't imagine there is a destination.
    Henry Ellsworth: well that's a good point also
    Wol Euler: "the journey is just as important as the destination" is an analogy not an explanation of what we do.
    Wol Euler: most of us are not out to achieve nirwana.
    Wol Euler: we just want to be happier, less dissatisfied
    Henry Ellsworth: nirwana? who's that?
    Wol Euler: exactly
    Eidolon Aeon laughs
    Wol Euler: heaven, perfection, ideal enlightenment
    Henry Ellsworth: ok?
    Wol Euler shrugs.
    Wol Euler: destinations that many of us cannot, most of us will not, reach
    Wol Euler: but we try.
    Henry Ellsworth: what makes you say that?
    Gaya Ethaniel: they are often illusions Henry
    Wol Euler: the trying is important, because this is our life right now.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Henry Ellsworth: is this belief or did God, Buddha, the alimgihty jellybean tell you?
    Wol Euler: none of the ablve
    Wol Euler: *ablve
    Henry Ellsworth: exactly
    Wol Euler swears
    Gaya Ethaniel hugs Wol

    Eidolon leaves.

    Eidolon Aeon: Sorry to interrupt. I'm feeling a bit better, can probably get to sleep now. Gaya, it was nice to see you again. Henry, nice to meet you. Wol, I'm glad we could chat for a little while.
    Henry Ellsworth: ciao eidolon
    Wol Euler: it's too cold in this room, my fingers aren't working properly yet
    Gaya Ethaniel: good night Eidolon.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: good night eidolon, sleep well.
    Eidolon Aeon: will do :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: aww....
    Henry Ellsworth: we can speculate, have faith or just plain believe - but nobody knows and hence, here we are in second life talking to people in other countries disussing things that really, as humans, we know nothing about.
    Wol Euler: bye for now
    Gaya Ethaniel: see you soon again Eidolon. good rest
    Eidolon Aeon: thank you :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: well... that's your opinion...
    Henry Ellsworth: exactly, and that's all there is in life - opinion. nobody knows anything.
    Faenik: indeed?
    Wol Euler: which is all the more reason not to get worked up about it, woldn't you say?
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles... true
    Henry Ellsworth: indeed, so what's the point of this place, the meetings? do you share a common belief at all?
    Henry Ellsworth: beyond the 9 second thingame?
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... I was reading this log yesterday, discussing 'nothing matters' http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/..._Moral_Matters
    Henry Ellsworth: or is thsi what draws you all together
    Wol Euler: we share a belief in the usefulness of trying to know oneself.
    Gaya Ethaniel: quite interesting...
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Henry Ellsworth: i see
    Gaya Ethaniel: brb - want to put socks on... bit chili today
    Wol Euler: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: bck
    Wol Euler: wb
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty
    Wol Euler: fascinating, wish I'd been there.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods. me too


    Henry vanishes. 

    Wol Euler: well, shall we declare the meeting over?
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Wol Euler bangs her gavel.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles

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