2008.11.05 07:00 - Re-presentation

Yes, we did!  A new day, a new direction .... join us.... - CH

Adams Rubble: Hello Cal :)
Caledonia Heron: hey Adams :)
Adams Rubble: Nice outfit!
Caledonia Heron: thanks! I was thinking ... nice hairdo :)
Adams Rubble: thanks :)

Adams Rubble: Exciting night last night
Caledonia Heron: yes, very, ... inspiring :)
Adams Rubble: McCain was touching too
Adams Rubble: wonderful speech on his part
Caledonia Heron: yes, gracious ... a bit obtuse in places but very gracious :)
Adams Rubble: He has become famous for the obtuseness
Caledonia Heron: lol, yes
Caledonia Heron: I wondered if it was all the commotion going on at my house at first but don't think so
Adams Rubble: :)

Adams Rubble: Is this your first session in this structure?
Caledonia Heron: I've had a couple meetings here but this is the first pab session
Caledonia Heron: and you?
Adams Rubble: I've been here for a few. This is my first with the wisteria behind us
Caledonia Heron: it's very beautiful
Adams Rubble thinks it is wisteria anyway
Adams Rubble: :)
Caledonia Heron: yes, wisteria
Adams Rubble: whew
Adams Rubble: :)

Caledonia Heron: I read an email there is a new dialog format ... what is that like, did you attend?
Adams Rubble: No I was not there for that one
Caledonia Heron: ok, understood ... me either
Caledonia Heron: I have been following along but have not been attending as much
Adams Rubble: Time is a problem :)
Caledonia Heron: sure time is a factor ... I guess I don't have much to say recently :)
Adams Rubble: We seem to go through various stages :)
Adams Rubble: Some seem rougher than others :)
Adams Rubble: Then our systems seem to need to just stop and take a break
Caledonia Heron: yes
Adams Rubble: Funny thing I seem to be able to go through a number of them in one day sometimes
Caledonia Heron: lol, busy girl :) amazing how things sway sometimes

Caledonia Heron: I was thinking since I'm not feeling the "saying" part maybe it's time to listen :)
Adams Rubble: Ah, that's good to do too
Adams Rubble: I have not slept right since my experience with the great space on October 4
Adams Rubble: I had a good talk with Stim last Sunday
Caledonia Heron: sorry not sure of the Oct 4 reference?
Adams Rubble: Ah sorry
Adams Rubble: You and I once compared my vision of the great space to your experience with nothingness
Caledonia Heron: ah! ok, I remember :)
Adams Rubble: Our descriptions seem to be very close
Caledonia Heron: yes, we do share some reference points on that :)
Adams Rubble: Stim told me that not only my selves but my body are reacting to it
Caledonia Heron: by not sleeping?
Adams Rubble: and that i will have to let it work itself out
Adams Rubble: yes
Caledonia Heron: ah, ok
Caledonia Heron: interesting
Adams Rubble: So I am a bit erratic from the lack of sleep :)
Caledonia Heron: yes, sleep deprivation has strange impacts
Adams Rubble: I go one way, then quickly turn around and do the opposite

Adams Rubble: Hi Pema :)
Caledonia Heron: hey there Pema :)
Pema Pera: Hi Cal! Hi Adams!
Caledonia Heron: how are you?
Caledonia Heron: well I trust :)
Pema Pera: Fine! In the train right now, from NYC to Princeton
Pema Pera: always interesting to see two landscapes
Adams Rubble waves
Caledonia Heron: remarkable you can be on the internet :)
Pema Pera: one inside my computer screen, one inside my window just next to the screen
Pema Pera: two windows with two landscapes!
Pema Pera: both green
Adams Rubble: :)
Caledonia Heron: and one outside the window
Pema Pera: yup
Adams Rubble ponders pema sitting close while passing near on the train
Caledonia Heron: We were talking about active communication like speaking/telling and listening
Pema Pera: yes, Adams, I thought about that too -- nice view always crossing the river and seeing the campus where you work
Caledonia Heron: :)
Caledonia Heron: a silent hello while in motion
Pema Pera: :-)
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: what were your thoughts about communication?
Caledonia Heron: I do that on the way to town, little hellos when I pass the turn-offs to friends houses :)
Pema Pera: I don't know many people between Princeton and New York . . . Adams being one of the few!
Pema Pera: Most are bunched at one of the two ends
Caledonia Heron: think of friends in their houses, in their "spots" doing their thing
Adams Rubble: Cal was thinking she was in a listening mood today so I was making small talk about not sleeping and being erratic :)

Adams Rubble always thinks about the train and the people on it when passing under the bridge
Caledonia Heron: yeah, and more in the past weeks, being more of a receiver than a broadcast.... trying to reset, things feel crossways
Caledonia Heron: not that it's really relevant to 9sec from the group perspective .... trying to be a better human I guess :)
Adams Rubble thinks that is very relevant :)
Caledonia Heron: :)
Pema Pera: when I look at myself, trying to be a better human, it is always a bit scary to see how much I am lacking every day, in fact every minute really . . . . .
Pema Pera: the better I look the more I see that can be improved
Adams Rubble thinks Pema is a pretty neat human (maybe that is why he is)
Caledonia Heron: indeed, in my case feeling overwhelmed at how much improvement is actually available :)
Caledonia Heron: lol, needing a do-over :)
Pema Pera: Over the years, though, I have learned to switch from "wanting to force myself to change" to "just seeing calmly what needs to be changed"
Pema Pera: Our bodies and minds have their own intelligence -- just seeing what needs to be done, clearly and honestly, is quite enough -- we can then leave the rest to our nature
Caledonia Heron: yeah, I get that ... kind of relates to wanting to listen ...
Pema Pera: yes, indeed, to others *and* to our own bodies minds souls whatever we want to call it
Pema Pera: When we look around, most problems stem not from people wanting to do the wrong this per se -- but rather from people not seeing clearly and therefore rushing in the wrong direction, often with the best of intentions . . . .
Pema Pera: . . . that's where the 9 sec can really help: to pause and calmly learn to see, to see better and more openly
Adams Rubble just beginning to be taught about body intelligence
Caledonia Heron: to see what's so with no right/wrong, good/bad, no blame .... a lot to learn to see
Adams Rubble: yes Cal :)
Pema Pera: yes!!!
Pema Pera: and when blame and judgments rear their ugly head, as they invariably will, the trick is not to ge discouraged, but to just *see* those too. . . .
Caledonia Heron: my eyes get cloudy .... some water there ....:)
Pema Pera: and if that doesn't quite work, then to just *see* that that doesn't quite work . . . .
Pema Pera: never an excuse not to *see* . . .
Pema Pera: . . . whether cloudy or misty or . . . :-)
Caledonia Heron: no, a poor excuse, reason, rationale .... sometimes hide and seek with the calm .... where are you little calm? :)
Pema Pera: :>)
Adams Rubble plays hide and seek with selves
Pema Pera: just seeing the non-calmness is like magic -- produces calm out of nowhere!
Adams Rubble: :)

Pema Pera: the trick seems to be not to "try" to be calm . . .
Pema Pera: . . . just seeing non-calmness seems to sabotage non-calmness . . . .
Caledonia Heron: lol
Pema Pera: ... great experiments to try out anywhere, any time!
Caledonia Heron: every moment, the opportunity I guess :)
Pema Pera: very much so . . . and more radically speaking:
Pema Pera: every moment is eternity, fourth time, zeroeth time . . . .
Pema Pera: that's the base that makes everything else we talked about today work
Adams Rubble wonders if that keeps the non-calmness from going into the next moments
Caledonia Heron: at zeroeth time ... at eternity ... one could engage or withdraw?
Caledonia Heron: it would not, does not matter?
Caledonia Heron: or re-created in the next moments Adams?
Adams Rubble: yes Cal
Pema Pera: well, from a fourth time point of view, there simply are no next moments, since there is no "next" . . .
Adams Rubble thinking in terms of taking a break from time
Adams Rubble: sort of the like the 9-second pause
Pema Pera: so yes, re-created, or perhaps more accurately "re-presented", presented freshly each time
Pema Pera: :-)

Pema Pera: Passing by your train station now, Adams!
Caledonia Heron: if no "next" why maintain a daily treadmill .... such a structured series of "next"
Pema Pera waving from the train
Adams Rubble waves
Caledonia Heron: lol
Caledonia Heron: waves to you from faaaaaaarrrr away :)
Pema Pera discerning Cal very small way over the horizon . . .
Adams Rubble waves to Cal in the bigState
Caledonia Heron: feeling very small even close up :)
Pema Pera: the story of "next" continues, but it can be seen as a delightful presentation, rather than a treadmill
Caledonia Heron: yes, I'm out standing in my field :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: although it could be a story of a treadmill, it could be a story of anything
Adams Rubble: Hmmm. The treadmill analgoy is interesting
Caledonia Heron: yes, a delightful re-presentation ... that appeals to me
Pema Pera picturing Cal standing up in a field with a laptop on a hay stack or such
Caledonia Heron: lol
Adams Rubble: :)
Caledonia Heron: sitting on top of the barn, goats looking up, bleating.... "where's the chow?"
Pema Pera: would be nice to have a goat here, don't you think? Keeping the grass short, coming up to drink from the
fountain
Caledonia Heron: lol, hilarious!!
Pema Pera: well, I'd better sign off, before getting into Princeton Junction station
Caledonia Heron: not quite in keeping with group expectations or deed restrictions by home owners association maybe :)
Adams Rubble: Take good care Pema :)
Caledonia Heron: bye Pema :)
Pema Pera: we'll have to write two scripts: one to let the grass grow, another to let the goats graze . . . .
Pema Pera: busy times, to be an ecologist . . .
Caledonia Heron: Storm will love this assignment :)
Adams Rubble: or Moon (goats with sirens)
Caledonia Heron: {xo Storm :)}
Caledonia Heron: yikes!
Adams Rubble wonders if Pema is typing the script
Pema Pera is Offline
Caledonia Heron: lol, maybe
Caledonia Heron: a script to logoff :)

Adams Rubble: Well I better go too. It was nice to chat with you this morning
Curious George is Offline
Caledonia Heron: me too ... see you soon ....
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
Caledonia Heron: bye:) thanks :)