2008.11.20 13:00 - Smoking gun

Storm was the guardian on call, with the exception of the last few minutes. The comments are Storm's.

It was World Philosophy Day, or was it? Does it really exist in an objective sense? ;)

I thought I would try the inner square within the circle today! A few minutes before the session had started, I had worked out why some people sank through the pavilion floor, or even into the ground outside the pavilion. It was all to do with the autologging listeners that attached themselves to people.

Meanwhile, we had a 'silent watcher', a ghost avatar that was haunting the information point 15m to the south. He ignored us and, for the most part, we ignored him.

Fael Illyar: Hello Storm :)
Storm Nordwind: Greetings Fael
Fael Illyar: Hello Fefonz :)
Storm Nordwind: Welcome everybody
Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)
Fefonz Quan: Hello Hello :)
Fael Illyar ponders, would it be possible to have the outer row of seats sink down when the inner row is visible?
Gaya Ethaniel: demanding customers we are ^^
Fael Illyar nods, demanding :)
Storm Nordwind: No Fael

I lied. Within 24 hours I had accomodated Fael's request.

Wol Euler: hello everyone
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Storm Nordwind: Hi Wol
Wol Euler feels with her toes for the soft spot in the floor.
Fael Illyar: I think it needs your AV to be tall, Wol
Wol Euler: eh?
Wol Euler: okay ...

Wol could not experience the sinking effect unless she ate more rice pudding and grew a few inches ;)

Storm Nordwind: So how is everybody on this World Philosophy Day?
Gaya Ethaniel muses... World Philosophy Day...
Gaya Ethaniel: ah, phisolophical ^^ yourself Storm?

Everyone else, apart from Gaya, was silent.

Storm Nordwind: I guess that's a "we didn't know" or "we didn't really care"! :)

Wol now returned a little taller.

Wol Euler: ah! indeed!
Wol Euler: wow
Wol Euler: ha!
Fael Illyar: Hi ***** :)
Storm Nordwind: What change did you make Wol?
Fael Illyar: Wol increased her AV's length :)
Wol Euler: put on a different shape, 100% tall
Storm Nordwind: I see
Wol Euler: and now I'm sinking too.
Storm Nordwind has a tall avatar

Indeed he has. An unfeasible 7 feet tall!

Wol Euler: I think we can call this a smoking gun.
Faenik: indeed?
Fael Illyar: yes, what do you thin about making the listeners phantom? or perhaps float a bit higher?
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Storm Nordwind: If you return out of hours or if switch off the logger, you will bounce back
Wol Euler nods slowly.
Wol Euler: I'll have to examine this. thank you Storm for finding the problem!
Wol Euler: and for the special cushions! a great idea.
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Fael Illyar: Yes, a nice idea :)
Storm Nordwind resists the magic words
Wol Euler: hehehehe

We were joined by a newcomer, but one who never gave their permission to be named or quoted.

Storm Nordwind: Hello *****. This is your first time here?
***** ******: yup
***** ******: new to sl too
Storm Nordwind: Yes I noticed your age :)
Storm Nordwind: This is the Play as Being pavilion
Faenik: indeed?
Storm Nordwind: A group of us get together here every 6 hours to discuss an 'experiment'
Storm Nordwind: The Play as Being experiment or project
***** ******: okay
Storm Nordwind: It's a way of looking at what we think of as reality in a different way
Storm Nordwind: Did you get a notecard from the rotating dispenser ?
***** ******: yea
Storm Nordwind: The PaB Information notecard. Did you get time to read it at all?
***** ******: reading it right now
Storm Nordwind: Cool. Please note especially the last paragraph. I'll need your permission to publish your name and what you say!
Storm Nordwind: Gaya, you asked if I was philosophical.
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Storm Nordwind: Do you think Play as Being might be something to do with philosophy at all?
Gaya Ethaniel: I was trying to humour you Storm by saying I am feeling 'philosophical.'
Storm Nordwind: Hi Pema
Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Wol Euler: hello pema
Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
Storm Nordwind: Oh OK Gaya! :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^__^
Storm Nordwind is a bit 'thick' sometimes
Fefonz Quan: Hi Pema, had a feeling you'll show up :)
Gaya Ethaniel: no never Storm never thick ^^
Pema Pera: hehe, Fefonz is sitting next door again, in RL
Wol Euler: :)
Storm Nordwind nods
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fefonz Quan: got me...
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Storm Nordwind: Be careful Fefonz. This could become a habit!
Wol Euler grins
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Fael Illyar: a nice one I'd say :)
Faenik: could be
Wol Euler: as long as it doesn't become an attachment :-P
Gaya Ethaniel: or philosophy
Storm Nordwind: I was saying, Pema, that it was World Philosophy Day - or so I found out on the BBC news site
Pema Pera: really??? only today???
Storm Nordwind: Every other day of the year you have to be something else perhaps?
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Pema Pera remembering Douglas Adams: the day that the philosophers went on strike . . . it really hurts!
Fefonz Quan: :-)
Storm Nordwind: Ah yes - a strike about demarcation
Fefonz Quan: a philosopher at strike - does he stops thinking and starts being?
Storm Nordwind: Good question
Storm Nordwind: But not one to ask a philosophy perhaps
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Pema Pera: would be nice .. . .
Pema Pera: Fefonz, if I may ask, did you try the 9 sec?
Fefonz Quan: yes i did, even 30 minutes ago.
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: how was it?
Storm Nordwind raises his eyebrows and smiles
Fefonz Quan: quite refreshing, like a little nap but without the dizziness
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Pema Pera: haha, very little nap . . .
Pema Pera: naplet, napkin, napling . . ..
Storm Nordwind wonders whether that's a Faeniknap instead of a catnap
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Gaya Ethaniel: =^.^=
Pema Pera: perhaps we can install naplets on our computers . . . .
Fefonz Quan: and then we'll know what they are...
Fefonz Quan: ?
Storm Nordwind is starting to rock he's chuckling so much
Pema Pera: :)

Pema wondered about initial impressions of the PaB website and we talked a little about what is best for newcomers.

Pema Pera: Fefonz, you were reading the excerpts, was that useful, to get an impression of PaB ?
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
Pema Pera: Hi Moon!
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Fefonz Quan: it was, though i read just few of them (the beach to start with)
Fefonz Quan: High moon
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Storm Nordwind: Hi Mon
Storm Nordwind: Moon
Wol Euler: hello moon
Fefonz Quan: one more nap...
Gaya Ethaniel smiles at Moon napping
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
Fael Illyar smiles also.
Fefonz Quan: i felt when reading that the fact that i have some meditation experience really helped me getting what been talked about
Fefonz Quan: have had
Fefonz Quan: i wondered what it's like with no experience
Storm Nordwind: What suggestions do you have for improving that initial experience of looking at the website for newcomers?
Faenik: ah :)
Fefonz Quan: i should think about it before giving a quick answer, does it have some major region that explains the 9 sec paradigm
Fefonz Quan: (pardon my words)
Moon Fargis rises his finger and points to pema
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Moon Fargis: its sitting right there :)
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Fael Illyar giggles.
Faenik loves wells!
Storm Nordwind thinks we can't plaster Pema on the website. We need him here!
Pema Pera: Did you read http://playasbeing.wik.is/<wbr/>Information/Hints ?
Moon Fargis: aww comon storm just .. maybe some of his hairs :)
Pema Pera: That's about all the explanation we have . . . .
Gaya Ethaniel whispers 'Moon... what did I tell you about gorging on candies before PaB sessions?'
Pema Pera ignoring much of what is whirling around him :)
Moon Fargis whispers to gaya "eat as much as you can to drive the old nuts from their seats?" *giggles and runs away*
Wol Euler looks up from dissecting a Listener and wonders what she missed.
Gaya Ethaniel giggles... as softly as possible
Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps having the information under 'Hints' can be moved onto 'Information' section itself
Gaya Ethaniel: So the first thing a reader sees when clicking on 'Information', it's about 9 sec etc?
Moon Fargis: fefonz: these notecards will give you also some ideas
Fefonz Quan: yep, i'm looking there.
Gaya Ethaniel: (something shorter than what we have under 'Hints' perhaps)
Gaya Ethaniel: shorter*
Pema Pera: sorry, am being called to yet another SL meeting . . . . life is busy here!
Fefonz Quan: the thing is i had the idea earlier (RL bad habbits, i know)
Moon Fargis: ohh
Storm Nordwind would like to see more space on the home page being devoted to newcomer info
Moon Fargis: see you pema
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Storm Nordwind: Bye for now!
Fefonz Quan: see you pema!
Pema Pera: looking forward to read the answers to all our improvement options later on the web :)
Wol Euler: bye pema!
Pema Pera: c u all soon again!
Fael Illyar: See you later Pema :)

Pema disappeared and two listening devices, rather than one, disappeared with him. A little techie talk ensued.

Fael Illyar blinks 'Did we have two Pema's here?
Storm Nordwind: perhaps we did
Wol Euler: he seems to have had two listeners.
Storm Nordwind: I wonder what the database will make of that
Wol Euler: it happens if the sim is particularly laggy when the Listener gets rezzed
Wol Euler: I'm rewriting it to avoid that.
Wol Euler: only happens when (a) laggy and (b) lots of people here.
Moon Fargis: pemas heir counts as extra person :)
Wol Euler: must be!
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Fefonz Quan: lots is >7 ?
Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
Fael Illyar: Ah, so it needs to keep checking for a while after activating
Wol Euler: I'll have to look back and see when it first happened, I suspect that it's related to the recent server upgrades, because it didn't occur before.
Gaya Ethaniel: (afk for a moment excuse me)
Moon Fargis: is it set to mono ?
Wol Euler: yes
Fael Illyar: listeners don't seem to be at the moment
Wol Euler: ah, true.
Fael Illyar: judging from the free memory counts displayed above our heads
Wol Euler: they aren't, but will be
Fael Illyar: Hopefully that'll help :)
Wol Euler: indeed

Tech talk over for now, we also talked about the arrangement of cushions.

Moon Fargis: hmm so are the other outer cushion still needed storm ?
Storm Nordwind: They may be
Storm Nordwind: The peak we've had here in the last month is 14
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Moon Fargis: and we can cover around 30 without the outer line
Moon Fargis: ahh i miscounted
Wol Euler: I do find this much more cosy than sitting in what is now the "middle ring"
Storm Nordwind: That is for two reasons Wol
Fefonz Quan: blup blup blup
Storm Nordwind: First, the proximity to each other, both across to the opposite side and between each other
Storm Nordwind: Second because of the right angle means you look less obliquely at the person next to you
Wol Euler gives moon a cuddle (not a choccy)
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
Wol Euler: ah :)
Moon Fargis looks at wols loong candy fingernails
Storm Nordwind: I may experiment with hiding the outer cushions
Wol Euler gently and slowly scratches down Moon's back.
Storm Nordwind: But on the other hand, I miss the pool too
Fefonz Quan: yeah, the pool was cool
Storm Nordwind: So I'll continue to experiment with things and let people know if there are any more secret commands in due course
Wol Euler: thank you, Storm! good work.
Moon Fargis giggles see fefonz..unexpected things are also a part of pab :)
Moon Fargis: just look at this sign over there :)
Storm Nordwind: There are some things I can't change because they are not made by me and I can't link them. (I'm not about to make substitute cushions but making a new fountain was easy enough.)
Fael Illyar is pondering if a pool that's under the floor with these cushions on extensions that are above it would work.
Moon Fargis: you see it fonz ?
Fefonz Quan: sure, as clear as the sun :)
Moon Fargis: hehe well it is touchable
Wol Euler puts her hands over her ears in preparation.
Moon Fargis giggles
Faenik: indeed?
Fael Illyar: Ah, now we have one here too
Fefonz Quan: pababam pababam pababam tam tam

Fael pointed to our 'silent watcher'.

Fael Illyar: does anyone know why Serafim has been standing there for hours?
Storm Nordwind: It's a sim bug
Wol Euler: days, actually, she was here yesterday too
Moon Fargis: fael: server ghost
Storm Nordwind: He's phantom and really off line
Storm Nordwind: There are only two ways to make him disappear
Moon Fargis: storm: remember our phantom building once on pab land ?:)
Storm Nordwind: yes
Moon Fargis: that was funny bug
Fefonz Quan: s"sinking in serafim" - in hebrew is like day dreaming
Storm Nordwind: We can get rid of him by (1) rebooting the sim ...
Storm Nordwind: or (2) by calling the real Serafim over here to look at his ghost.
Storm Nordwind: Both ways, the ghost disappears
Fefonz Quan: can they co-exist without annihilate?
Moon Fargis: hmmm maybe...he can also
Moon Fargis: let me try
Moon Fargis: something
Storm Nordwind: Serafim is empty of inherent existence from his own side ;-)
Fefonz Quan: that's bosonic enough for that purpose
Fefonz Quan: ;-)
Moon Fargis: meh
***** ******: Well, I'm off...Thanks for the info. Bye
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Storm Nordwind: Bye *****
Fefonz Quan: bye
Fael Illyar: Ok, hope we'll see you again, ***** :)
Fael Illyar waves ***** goodbye.
Moon Fargis: hmmm
Fael Illyar: Oh, Wol dropped.
Moon Fargis: /mee is getting cold
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Faenik giggles. that tickles.
Faenik: なるほど^^
Fefonz Quan: japanesse?
Gaya Ethaniel: No a Finn who can speak Japanese... yet we are not sure...
Fael Illyar: 日本語は話せますが…
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^ as if
Fefonz Quan: :)
Fael Illyar certainly dresses Japanese.
Gaya Ethaniel: Fefonz was asking if Faenik was Japanese me thinks
Fefonz Quan: no; the writing, i now he' not japanese
Fael Illyar: yep, the writing is Japanese :)
Fael Illyar: wb Wol :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^ yes that was Japanese Fefonz
Gaya Ethaniel: wb ^^
Wol Euler: tyty
Moon Fargis: wb wol!
Fefonz Quan: wb!
Gaya Ethaniel: yay Wol
Wol Euler: :)

Fefonz wanted to know the effects of PaB over time.

Fefonz Quan: i was wondering if you feel that the PaB has long term impact different than the short term
Storm Nordwind: Great question
Fefonz Quan: (apart from the social impact :))
Storm Nordwind: And a great observation!
Fael Illyar: Well, my term is rather short still :)
Fefonz Quan: well, thanks...
Wol Euler: pici, sit on a cushion to stop sinking.
Wol Euler: right-click on a cushion and select "sit", that will stop you sinking
Fael Illyar: Hello Pici :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Fefonz Quan: thtop sinking and start being :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Fael Illyar wonders how many people we've "lost" because hey couldn't take the sinking.
Storm Nordwind: That depends, Fefonz, on what you have observed as short term impact. It may be quite individual
Fefonz Quan: i'm sure it is individual, and also changes between sessions
Fael Illyar: the short term impacts I've got from PaB seem to be ones that will last for the rest of my life.
Fefonz Quan: but yet there might be some longer term effects
Fael Illyar: that is, if I want them to
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Wol Euler: the expression "wait and see" comes to mind.
Fefonz Quan: well, that's a big thing, and encouraging too.
Fefonz Quan: surely.
Gaya Ethaniel feeds Moon a chocolate truffle
Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
Storm Nordwind: The biggest things for me came quickly but in a later exercise
Fefonz Quan: i was pomdering with the time dependency, in comparison for example with longer then 9 sec sessions
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Gaya Ethaniel: I still do my meditation... 9 sec is an additional tool I use
Storm Nordwind nods
Fael Illyar: in my experience, longer ones sometimes seem to work better... although, insight popping up doesn't really depend on whether you're doing one at the time or not for me.
Fefonz Quan: and do you feel it is essentially different then regular meditating?
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Gaya Ethaniel: nods at Fael*
Storm Nordwind: The high frequency has a great effect for some people.
Gaya Ethaniel: That's a question that needs some exploring before answering as meditation can be used for many different 'purposes' Fefonz
Fael Illyar: for me it worked very well from the start.
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Fefonz Quan: yeah, i thought also that it's a little more connected to daily activities that "organized" meditation sessions
Fael Illyar: Hi Solo :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Fefonz Quan: i thought about it when i wrote meditation,
Wol Euler grins. hello solo
Fefonz Quan: i know it's a too wide word to put here.
Solobill Laville: Hi, friends :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^__^
Fefonz Quan: Hello Solo
Storm Nordwind: Gentle people, I am needed elsewhere. Could someone please send me the log from this point?
Solobill Laville: Bye, Storm
Fefonz Quan: bye storm!
Wol Euler: sure, will do. bye storm
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Storm
Storm Nordwind: Good night!
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Fael Illyar: Good night Storm :)
Wol Euler: sonic, sit on a cushion, that will stop you sinking
Sonic Moonites: thanks
Wol Euler: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: ok i will head to the pab library
Moon Fargis: checking something
Wol Euler: bye moon, take care
Moon Fargis: see you later everyone and goood night ^^/
Faenik: why not?
Fefonz Quan: have a nice reading :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Moon ^^
Fael Illyar: See you later Moon :)
Solobill Laville: BYe, Moon
Moon Fargis: fefonz: first come the building then the writing and then the reading :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon's still building the library
Fael Illyar: big projects :)
Fefonz Quan: sounds like a nice project
Solobill Laville: I was just at the library - I really like it
Gaya Ethaniel nods nods
Fefonz Quan: how do one get there?
Gaya Ethaniel: I will give you lm ^^
Fefonz Quan: thanks.
Gaya Ethaniel: Pleasure
Solobill Laville: Is it just me, or has Serafim been standing there for an awfully long time...?
Solobill Laville: Like, days
Gaya Ethaniel nods... ghosted
Wol Euler: mmhmm, he has indeed.
Fefonz Quan: not just you, us too :)
Fefonz Quan: not that the fact we all see him ensures he is real :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Wol Euler: !
Solobill Laville: Well, I was hoping for perhaps someone interested in sitting at Kira for a bit...
Wol Euler: ah!
Wol Euler: twist my ar,
Wol Euler: *arm
Solobill Laville: But I should be good and just wait until tomorrow...unless, yes, Wol??
Gaya Ethaniel: ^__^ ok only if I can go by the balloon
Solobill Laville: :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: I can come too :)
Gaya Ethaniel: yay!
Solobill Laville: Belly up to bar for a bit anyone? :)
Fefonz Quan: why not, then?
Wol Euler grins.
Gaya Ethaniel: balloon *wOOt*
Faenik loves wells!
Wol Euler bangs her gavel. Done!