2008.11.23 13:00 - Of teachers and authority

The guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden.  The comments are hers.

As I come to the Pavilion there are several already in conversation.  And over the next coupld of minutes several join us.

Becka Finesmith: Cool. We didn't know what was happening :)
Wol Euler: hello maxine
Becka Finesmith: Hi Maxine
Quilty Bookmite: Just thought you might not want your PVC to get wet 
Wol. :-)
Maxine Walden: hi, all
Wol Euler grins
Wol Euler: hello fael, umbriel

There are a few concentric circles of cushions and I and others try to get comfortable in the group.Comments still about all the greetings.Faenik remains puzzled as usual.

Maxine Walden: I'll come over to join the circle
Becka Finesmith: Hi Fael and Umbriel
Fael Illyar: Hi Wol, Maxine, Quilty, Becka :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Quilty Bookmite: Hi Maxine, Becka, wol, Fael and Umbriel.
Maxine Walden: hi, Fael, Becka, Quilty
Becka Finesmith: It's like the waltons :)
Becka Finesmith: :)
Faenik: ????^^
Quilty Bookmite: Goodnight Jonboy
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Becka Finesmith: lol
Wol Euler: you're looking very elegant, umbriel

Pema joins us and the comments including compliments continue

Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
Quilty Bookmite: hi Pema
Wol Euler: hello pema
Umbriel Levenque: ^_^ thanks Wol. Looking lovely yourself
Maxine Walden: hi Pema
Wol Euler smiles. ty
Pema Pera: Hi All !
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

I think Pema refers to the innermost concentric circle now being filled...

Pema Pera feels like an electron in an atom, soon we'll fill the inner 
shell . . . .
Becka Finesmith: we're gonna need a bigger boat
Maxine Walden: this smaller circle seems to work nicely until more people come
Wol Euler: :)

Doug joins us. I believe the 'excited state' referred to Doug's trying to decide where to sit

Wol Euler: hello doug
Pema Pera: hi Doug!
Quilty Bookmite: Hi Doug
Pema Pera: Doug is in an excited state . . . .
doug Sosa: hi all :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Doug :)
Wol Euler chuckles
Quilty Bookmite: Almost feel like jumping to a higher energy level. :-)
Pema Pera: outside the inner electron shell
Faenik: ah :)
Maxine Walden: making the circle bigger?

And Geo joins us. And we still are speaking about the immediate seating environment

Fael Illyar: Hi Geo :)
Wol Euler: hello geo
Quilty Bookmite: Hi Geo
Geo Netizen: Hi everyone
doug Sosa: ought to know which element thi is :)
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Maxine Walden: hi Geo
Pema Pera: hi Geo!
Geo Netizen: Ah ... not fountain today :)
Quilty Bookmite: It has been temporarily switched off.
doug Sosa: just goes to show, this is a democracy :)
Geo Netizen: Pax et bonum Umbriel
Geo Netizen bows
Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
Geo Netizen dmiles
Geo Netizen: --smiles--

Thinking we are focussing upon our seating and perhaps our meeting arrangments I offer a comment:

Maxine Walden: wondering how everyone is finding this expanded 
guardian meeting schedule Pema has proposed
Maxine Walden: seems like more can come to the various meetings over 
the weekend
Wol Euler: I think it's a good idea.
Quilty Bookmite: Great for me. It means I can actually attend the odd 
meeting.
Fael Illyar: Yes, perhaps would be best to have them all on the weekend?

Tarmel, new to the PaB meetings I believe, joined us.We continue to speak about the schedule of guardian meetings.

Fael Illyar: Hi Tarmel :)
Wol Euler: hello tarmel, nice to see you again
Pema Pera: Hi Tarmel!
Geo Netizen: Definitely give more opportunities for guardians to meet 
but less incentives to meet as a larger group
Quilty Bookmite: hi Tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: hi folks
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Pema Pera: yes, Geo, pro and con, for sure
Geo Netizen: Hello Tamel
Maxine Walden: hi Tarmel
Pema Pera: Fael, which days and times would you suggest for the 
meetings, to get them all on the weekend?
Fael Illyar: Every meeting on Sunday? or perhaps two on Saturday and 
two on Sunday?
Becka Finesmith: Thenormal one is at 3am for me so hard to make. This 
time is better :)

Moon joins us.

Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
Wol Euler: hello moon
Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
doug Sosa: my participation here and in the normal sessions feels 
weaker because particpation of other seems more random and fewer come 
(small sample from me.).
Quilty Bookmite: Making sure we hit each of the 4 daily slots seems 
like a good idea, unless there is one slot which seems completely dead.
Geo Netizen: Greetings Moon :)
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Pema Pera: Having them all on one day may make it more difficult to 
attend several of them
Quilty Bookmite: Hi Moon.
Pema Pera: and also some people may not find Sunday convenient in 
general
Pema Pera: but it is an option, of course
Maxine Walden: hi Moon
Geo Netizen: And the public logs does mitigate to some extent the 
multiple guardian meetings I think.
Faenik loves wells!
Becka Finesmith: Hello Moon
Pema Pera: Hi Moon!
Geo Netizen: So give more flexibility in scheduling

Pema wonders about sounding out the guardian group withh a questionaire

Pema Pera: I could send out a questionair to the email group, giving a 
number of choices, to see what is prefered by the largest number of 
people
Pema Pera: what should we list as options?
Pema Pera: 1) one weekly meeting
Pema Pera: 4) four as now
Pema Pera: 2) four as now :)
Pema Pera: 3) four but all on one day
Pema Pera: other options?

Discussion continues as Moon as a tiny teddy bear gets some attention from Wol.  As I look throught the chatlog and in retrospect to the meeting it seemed, as often happens that several strands were interweaving, the wish for physical comfort by some (ears rubbed) and intellectual involvement (ears stimulated by discussion) by others.But both expressions seemed to interplay

Wol Euler rubs moon's ears
doug Sosa: i sense that the guardian meeting is becoming the more 
disciplined and the others lack focus.
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
Wol Euler: 3) would pretty well guarantee that most people would 
attend only one, I think
Quilty Bookmite: If there is to be 4 on one day, it would be too much 
to expect Pema to attend them all.
Pema Pera: for sure!
Pema Pera: but we don't have to decide here
Pema Pera: I can send out an email for a vote
Pema Pera: the point now is to think of all possible (reasonable) 
options
Pema Pera: any other one beside those three?
Quilty Bookmite: Sunday actually works quite well for me and may do 
for others. After all, there are quite a few here.
Geo Netizen feels a little jealous of Moon and pushes it down :)
doug Sosa: , when is one question, but not independent of the what.
Pema Pera: no other when suggestion?
Pema Pera: just those three options?
Geo Netizen nods
Quilty Bookmite: In the end I don't mind as long as there is one 
meeting in the 13:00 slot.
Wol Euler offers to rub Geo's ears.

Doug and Pema focus in on specific goals of the guardian sessions

Pema Pera: As for the what, Doug, the main idea is to increase the 
chance of guardians to meet each other
Pema Pera: like here and now :-)
Geo Netizen would purrr if he could
doug Sosa: for the purpose of..? In the beginning it seemed like a 
kind of cabinet meeting on governance of the whole, now the focus has 
been lost for me.
Quilty Bookmite: Is governance required?
Pema Pera: we found that many of the administrative and organizational 
stuff could be done by email
Pema Pera: we shifted from format to content
Geo Netizen thinks about Doug's comment
doug Sosa: but then, what becomes the prupose of the regular non-
guardian meetings?
Pema Pera: so the purpose is the same as all PaB meetings
Pema Pera: they're the same, Doug
Pema Pera: the only difference is that at guardian meetings we have 
more chance to meet more of us
Pema Pera: whom we normally might not meet so often
Pema Pera: yesterday for example

Doug mentions his own experience recently in sessions

doug Sosa: not in my experience. lately I'vebeens howing up to one or 
two others, and no, or little, talk of PaB.
Pema Pera: Riddle and Stevenaia met, first time perhaps :)
Fael Illyar: The difference is in that if people can only attend one, 
they're asked to attend one of these.
Becka Finesmith: I'm new and I don't know what has come before, but I 
think it's really nice to meet everyone I haven't met before :)
Maxine Walden: but there was some thought that guardians might have 
more access to each other at these meetings re PaB
Quilty Bookmite: I think this is a good thing. Gives the meeting a 
different focus.
Umbriel Levenque would like to see the dialogue-format discussion in 
one of the guardian meetings

Geo then expresses what others may have been feeling in the just-preceding discussion

Geo Netizen: Ahhh ... love the chaos
Pema Pera: :)
doug Sosa: :)
Geo Netizen: It there an official goal or objective for the guardian 
meetings?
Maxine Walden: chaos vs cosmos?
Quilty Bookmite: Chaos is what life is all about. :-)
Pema Pera: no, Geo
Geo Netizen chuckles
Fael Illyar: stir up the pot?
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Geo Netizen: Then why the distinction
Fael Illyar: that good for official goal?
Pema Pera: to have the chance to meet more other guardians
Pema Pera: if anyone goes to a random meeting
Geo Netizen nods
Geo Netizen: Then that would be the objective
Pema Pera: they are likely to meet others in the same convenient time 
slot
Pema Pera: ah, yes, sorry, I thought I had mentioned that already, yes 
indeed
Umbriel Levenque wonders whether to throw in another random point
Fael Illyar: some people like to PaB daily, some people prefer 
weekly... these are more geared towards the weekly crowd.
Pema Pera: but no other objective, qua content, I meant
Geo Netizen nods
Fael Illyar: but also allow both crowds to mix

Doug then asks about the purpose/goal of the non-guardian meetings and the discussion of responding to first-time visitors begins.

doug Sosa: then what happens to the non-guardian meetings?
Pema Pera: same as before, doug
Pema Pera: yes, Umbriel?
doug Sosa: but it seems there are less people and less focus
Umbriel Levenque: ... newbies Pema
Pema Pera: Sorry, Doug, but what do you propose to change?
Umbriel Levenque: I found one of guardians IMing to prevent an ongoing 
thread stopping for introductions etc
Umbriel Levenque: Felt that was good...
Pema Pera: ah, Umbriel, good point!
doug Sosa: i think my preerene is a minority one.
Wol Euler: yes, good idea.
Pema Pera: we probably need to have more of a system to deel with 
newbies, now that we get so many
Quilty Bookmite: Yes, I will try that in future. I am aware that 
newbie intoductions upset the flow of conversation.
Geo Netizen nods

Doug persists in his questions, making it evident that perhaps this question is at the heart of his concerns expressed today.

doug Sosa: asit is now, where do we expect to find good discussio on 
the 9 sec experiments?
Pema Pera: any session, Doug!
Maxine Walden: right here should be good, doug
Quilty Bookmite: I try to use the notecards but I think people are 
reluctant to read them.
Pema Pera: And if others don't talk about it, we ourselves can do so, 
any time!
Moon Fargis: sorry i have to leave i hope we will talk later
doug Sosa: but me experience is that it is more rare than it used to be.
Wol Euler: bye moon, take care
Quilty Bookmite: Bye Moon
Moon Fargis: onigokko
Geo Netizen: Bye Moon
Umbriel Levenque: See you later Moon ^_^

As Moon leaves he seems to trigger some wild music and dancing amidst some of our group. Perhaps another expression of chaos amidst the earnest inquiry also occurring.  the notion of balance then arises again

Wol Euler laughs. Little devil!
Fael Illyar: See you later Moon :)
Quilty Bookmite: stop
Umbriel Levenque: A parting gift ^^
Faenik: why not?
Pema Pera: :-)
Maxine Walden: agreed, doug, think we need ....chaos reins
Tarmel Udimo: thank you that was good to get up and run around
Quilty Bookmite: :-)
Maxine Walden: maybe Moon expressed just now that 'other' anti-focus 
that often pervades the group from time to time
Maxine Walden: Moon and others, just now
Pema Pera: :)
Faenik: could be
Quilty Bookmite: Constant focus isn't good. It can get tiring trying 
to talk about PaB all the time.
Maxine Walden: agree, Quilty
Pema Pera: Yes
Pema Pera: that's why it is both play and Being
Fael Illyar: yes, it gets rather monotonic if there are no surprises :)
Maxine Walden: perhaps a question of balance
Quilty Bookmite: I offer more than my fair share of play 
unfortunately. :-)
Pema Pera: and if anyone feels that the balance shifts too much to one 
side, by all means, let them bring up the other -- in either direction!
Becka Finesmith: I'm learning something new about myself at almost 
every session I attend assisted by the 9 seconds so I think it all 
works well
Geo Netizen: Seems to always be plenty of surprises :)
Maxine Walden: good to hear, Becka
Pema Pera: I have enjoyed many rich sessions too, this last week for 
example
Faenik: why not?
Quilty Bookmite: Pema, wher
Pema Pera: here :)
Quilty Bookmite: Oops
Wol Euler chuckles
Pema Pera: ?

Perhaps to offer more focus for this discussion Fael offers an observation:

Fael Illyar: The meetings work best for people who have topics to 
bring up :)
Maxine Walden: that does bring focus, doesn't it Fael
Pema Pera: speaking of which, anyone?

Quilty offers another observation which may impact the ease for some regarding bringing up topics, that is Pema as our teacher.The topic is handled lightly, perhaps out of the spirit of the meeting but perhaps also out of anxiety about facing that possibility, of Pema as teacher, more directly

Quilty Bookmite: Pema, whether you intend to or not, you attending a 
session is like a schoolteacher entering a room. :-)
Pema Pera: I hope not!
Wol Euler: in a good way, of course.
Pema Pera thinking of donning alts
Becka Finesmith: lol
Umbriel Levenque: me laughs
Geo Netizen: A little professorial but Ö :))
Quilty Bookmite: Might be worth a try Pema. :-)
Wol Euler looks in her bag for an apple
Fael Illyar wonders how long Pema would manage to stay unidentified ...
Pema Pera: hehehe
Geo Netizen laughs
Quilty Bookmite: Flicks a rubber band at Wol with a ruler.
Wol Euler: not a chance.
Pema Pera: I can be an anti-Pema!

Tarmel then mentions a favorite book of his:

Tarmel Udimo: i am back to reading one my favorites - the evolving 
mind by Robin Cooper - anyone know it?
Pema Pera: I've done that with Wol !

Admas joins us.And there is the topic of Tarmel's mentioned book, and whether Pema could be in this group in disguise for long.

Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
Pema Pera: Hi Adams!
Wol Euler: hello adams
Quilty Bookmite: Hi Adams
Maxine Walden: don't know that book, Tarmel
Maxine Walden: hi Adams
Tarmel Udimo: he adams
Geo Netizen: Hi Adams
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Everyone :)
doug Sosa: i think that if pema was disguised, we would not cathch on 
unles he was explicit about something only he could be. that means tat 
the rest of ct quite a bit of "authority" in his direction.
Fael Illyar: I unfortunately have to confess that I haven't read any 
books about what we talk here in PaB.
Wol Euler: I disagree, I think that his conversational style
Wol Euler: and speed of speeh
Wol Euler: are highly distinctive

Tarmel continues with the topic of the book, buddhism as the next step in evolution, and others muse about Pema's authority in the group, whether it derives from our attributions or from his style and offerings

Tarmel Udimo: the premis is that buddhism is the next evolution for 
the human species
Fael Illyar: Tarmel, that sounds rather interesting ...
Geo Netizen: You canít hide the professor in him :)
Wol Euler googles...
Faenik loves wells!
Maxine Walden: I agree that we project authority onto Pema, doug, 
which is our doing. But also I believe Pema does wish to get certain 
points across and that is distinctive
Quilty Bookmite: I think Arthur C Clarke had similar thoughts. :-)
Geo Netizen Clarke ?
Fael Illyar: Science Fiction writer
Quilty Bookmite: About Buddhism and evolution.
Geo Netizen: Yes .... but I missed the connection
Faenik: ????^^
Quilty Bookmite: Maybe for another session. :-)
Fael Illyar: Well, science fiction can be deep thoughts in disguise ;)
Geo Netizen chuckles
Fael Illyar: like any book :)
Geo Netizen nods
Tarmel Udimo: I agree
Geo Netizen: And Clarke in particuliar !
Quilty Bookmite: Indeed.

Perhaps to refocus the conversation Pema asks for questions relating to PaB

Pema Pera: To echo Fael, would anyone like to bring up a PaB related 
point, related to their experience in PaB like exploration

And Doug responds:

doug Sosa: if one is really in he 9 sec, how can we know when it is 
over?
Tarmel Udimo: it never really is - is it?
Pema Pera: :)

Independently I mention an observation from my practice which is taken up peripherally, as the flow of conversation is around Doug's wondering

Maxine Walden: Adams was asking me earlier how/whether my dreams have been influenced by the 9 sec practice and I think they have
Wol Euler smiles at Tarmel.
Quilty Bookmite: If it is like meditation, you don't need to get lost 
in it. In fact you can become more aware.
Fael Illyar: hmmh, I've been back to not remembering my dreams for a 
long time now ...
doug Sosa: for me the 9 sec has become four breaths.
Tarmel Udimo: it seems to keep bringing me back to the same old question
Quilty Bookmite: Sounds like a good way of timing it.
Tarmel Udimo: yes it does
Fael Illyar: but I have had a few dreams I do remember where I have 
been very aware.

Then Tarmel asks a question which Pema tries to address a few lines later.

Tarmel Udimo: who's manifesting it all
Quilty Bookmite: BRB
doug Sosa: imagine dreaming and doing the nine sec in the dream!
Tarmel Udimo: ahhhh that sounds godd
Fael Illyar: especially the one I had when I had maccha tea an hour 
before bed one day :)

And in his answer one can see the teacher that Pema is to us, about being and Being

Pema Pera: that's a key question, Tarmel!
Tarmel Udimo: yes one that never goes away
Pema Pera: the who that we think we are can be seen to be an overlay, 
like a dress/mask
Pema Pera: the more we see we have that, the more we can see what we 
really are
Tarmel Udimo: yes i think I understand that
Faenik: indeed?
Pema Pera: it's very direct, experiential
Tarmel Udimo: but I can't help thinking that behind it all is an 
energy/force/perception that must know
Pema Pera: yes, that sounds right!
Geo Netizen: Being
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Tarmel Udimo: and is this being creating or being
Pema Pera: but by definition Being is beyond personal and impersonal 
-- beyond our distinctions between "Gods" and "laws"

And Doug and others wonder about Being knowing or being beyond knowing...

doug Sosa: it doesn't occur to me that being knows. Knowledge of a 
thing is not the thing. being has all the things, but no knowledge.
Tarmel Udimo: ahhhhh that was what i was asking
Geo Netizen: Why does Being have no ken

And Pema's teaching comes through again...

Pema Pera: well, we have to go slowly here
Pema Pera: Being is not a thing
Geo Netizen nods

To my mind Pema's mention that Being has no context other than itself, which I read as 'there is nothing beyond Being, nothing that contextualizes it'
answers the questions about Being knowing and also coheres the conversation

Pema Pera: and has no context other than itself
Geo Netizen: Do only things have ken
Pema Pera: which makes all our usual logic not applicable
Tarmel Udimo: okay
Quilty Bookmite: Perhaps we are talking about the difference between 
knowledge and wisdom.
Pema Pera: or seeing
Geo Netizen: Can being not have understanding of other?
Pema Pera: not have but is
Pema Pera: that's why we have to go so slowly . . .
Pema Pera: we can't use words to get at it
Wol Euler: that suggests that there is something outside of Being to 
be known by it, geo?
Pema Pera: but we can use words to help us to see it, glimpses at first
Geo Netizen: but as a group .... what else do we have to explore the 
possibilities
Geo Netizen: ?
Pema Pera: yes Wol !
Pema Pera: ah, as a group we can explore
Pema Pera: doing the 9-se
Tarmel Udimo: so does being 'know' itself or does it only expereince 
itself
Pema Pera: sec
Pema Pera: and we can talk about it here
Pema Pera: yes and no Tarmel
Pema Pera: both
Geo Netizen thinks and nods at Wol
Pema Pera: depending how you project Being into our restricted language
Faenik: could be
Quilty Bookmite: It's just a finger pointing at the moon.
Tarmel Udimo: so there is potential for being to be creating
Pema Pera: what we can do here is help each other to stop in order to 
see . . . .
Geo Netizen: It is true that the experiential cannot always be 
verbalized
Geo Netizen: Being is in the experience not in the description
Pema Pera: talk -> trigger -> stop -> see -> talk about it more -> 
trigger more -> stop more .....
Quilty Bookmite: :-)
Tarmel Udimo: procesz
Fael Illyar: but is in the experience or description.
Fael Illyar: of description

Quilty then brings a 'hammer' into the conversation, as a way to 'speak' to action, I believe but there is great joviality for a bit.

Quilty Bookmite: talk -> trigger -> stop -> hammertime
Umbriel Levenque: me laughs
Pema Pera: nailing it down, hey, Quilty?
Geo Netizen: Don't we wish :)
Quilty Bookmite: MC hammer. One of the great philosophers of our 
age. :-)
Geo Netizen laughs
Wol Euler: showing your age there, Quilty old boy
Tarmel Udimo: :)
Wol Euler: (and mine too, I guess)
Umbriel Levenque: Yes he left a great legacy about how a man should 
dress
Quilty Bookmite: I'm even older than that. :-)
Wol Euler laughs
Geo Netizen: 9
Becka Finesmith: lol@Umbriel
Quilty Bookmite: But this is often how my Buddhist practice has gone. 
There are times to talk about it and times to just shut up and do it.
Geo Netizen: Time to just Be
Quilty Bookmite: Yes.
Geo Netizen nods
Geo Netizen: Turn turn turn Ö
Fael Illyar smiles.
Quilty Bookmite: Even older. :-)
Tarmel Udimo: and yet there is always the other aspect of oneself that 
needs to have the experience of knowing even if it is limted

We than are joined by Theseus, a relative new-comer who is promptly offered information about PaB and the website by various of the group.

Geo Netizen: Hi Theseus
Geo Netizen: COme join us if you dare :)
Theseus Skytower: hello
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Theseus Skytower: thank
Pema Pera: Hi Theseus
Becka Finesmith: I've got Theseus in IM -
Quilty Bookmite: Hi.
Becka Finesmith: letting him kno about us
Tarmel Udimo: hello
Maxine Walden: hi, Theseus
Theseus Skytower: hello all
Geo Netizen: This is not a group for the faint hearted Ö. but we donít 
bite
Wol Euler: thanks becka! the new system's first success!
Faenik: could be
Becka Finesmith gnash
Becka Finesmith: :)
Geo Netizen: We record our sessions Theseus
Wol Euler: hello theseus
Theseus Skytower: ok cool
Geo Netizen: Do you mind that they ar publishe don the internet
Theseus Skytower: no, that's great
Geo Netizen: and you donít have to worry if your fingers stumble :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Geo Netizen: When you get a chance
Geo Netizen: you get get more info at
Geo Netizen: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Geo Netizen: :)
Theseus Skytower: it looks very interesting
Theseus Skytower: I'm glad I randomly tped here!

Geo gets back to the topic about knowing vs being:

Geo Netizen: So back to the topic :
Geo Netizen: "and yet there is always the other aspect of oneself that 
needs to have the experience of knowing even if it is"
Pema Pera: Yes, we need experience
Geo Netizen: Being is in the experience
Pema Pera: that's why we have the 9 sec
Geo Netizen: not in ken
Geo Netizen nods
Geo Netizen: yet in the experience we gain
Geo Netizen: knwoledge of the other
Fael Illyar: There is, at once, both distinction and nondistinction.

Wanting to take care of house-keeping duties I mention needing to leave soon, Wol offers to send the rest of the chatlog

Maxine Walden: (I will need to leave in about 5 min and will happily 
take the chatlog for the wiki, if someone else will send the rest of 
the conversation to ost it later at the bottom of my chatlog on the 
wiki)
Becka Finesmith: the 9 seconds is the only time in my day I try NOT to 
think of words, images or phrases
Wol Euler: sure, maxine, will do
Maxine Walden: thanks, Wol!
Geo Netizen nods goodby to maxine
Wol Euler: bye max, enjoy the evening
Becka Finesmith: Bye Maxine - Really nice to meet you :)
Umbriel Levenque: Enjoy the rest of your weekend Maxine
Maxine Walden: thanks all, you as well. Sorry to have to leave right 
in the middle of the conversation

Wol sent the remainder of the chatlog which as I read it expresses an interesting phenomenon: Indeed I left about 4 minutes before I had to because everyone was saying goodbye and I felt impelled to go.  But the group then takes up the issue of command and obey, suggesting to me that it would be a good idea for me to take more control of when I have to leave the group.  Perhaps another sliver of the question of authority which resonated earlier in the group's discussion today, as there then was play but also perhaps some chaos as the group came to close.

Maxine Walden: thanks all, you as well. Sorry to have to leave right in the middle of the conversation
Adams Dubrovna: bye Maxine
Quilty Bookmite: Bye Maxine
Tarmel Udimo: bye
Pema Pera: bye in four minutes, Maxine :)
Pema Pera: oops?
Pema Pera: She said five minutes?
Geo Netizen nods
Geo Netizen: 1 min ago :)
Quilty Bookmite: Seems like we pushed her out. :-)
Pema Pera: we all "goodbyed" her away . .
Pema Pera: interesting groups process :-)
Fael Illyar: peer pressure :)
Geo Netizen chuckles at chaos
Pema Pera: or lack of chaos :)
Quilty Bookmite: More of a social experiment.
Wol Euler: oh dear.
Geo Netizen laughs
Becka Finesmith: So if we told Wol to stay, will you be here til next time?
Geo Netizen: self-organizing :)
Wol Euler: of course!
Tarmel Udimo: what's a great about sl is that everyone can speak at once - perhaps not meant to be but in RL this would be untenable
Wol Euler: my typist might go away .....
Becka Finesmith: Stay Wol :)
Pema Pera: sit!
Becka Finesmith: ooops - Now I've done it
Wol Euler barks.
Geo Netizen: /laught
Pema Pera: good Wol
Becka Finesmith: lol
Umbriel Levenque: heheheh
Quilty Bookmite: Sit and we'll give you a chew. :-)
Fael Illyar grins.
Geo Netizen thinks about his fumbling fingers
Wol Euler tries not to bite
Pema Pera: anyone who can type "fumbling fingers" doesn't fumble . . .
Quilty Bookmite: Would be a first. :-)
Tarmel Udimo: :)
Geo Netizen thinks about bite ...
Wol Euler bites her tongue
Pema Pera: well, seems like we're approching the end of the hour . . ..
Becka Finesmith: ouch
Pema Pera: you are all invited to the Kira Cafe
Geo Netizen laughs and covers his mouth
Pema Pera: as usual, for Happy Hour
Pema Pera: starting just about now
Quilty Bookmite: Thanks, but must go.
Becka Finesmith: Drinks are on Pema
Becka Finesmith: :p
Geo Netizen: Yeah !!
Adams Dubrovna: Thanks, I must go too
Adams Dubrovna: Nice to see you all :)
Pema Pera: if anyone doesn't have the landmark, let me know and I will tp
Becka Finesmith: Thanks for coming Theseus
Fael Illyar: See you later, anyone who's leaving :)
Pema Pera: bye everybody!
Geo Netizen bows towards Adams
Umbriel Levenque: Same here. Good day all
Theseus Skytower: thank you
Pema Pera: Theseus, would you like to visit the Kira Cafe?
Geo Netizen: Great you could join us Theseus
Tarmel Udimo: see you there
Theseus Skytower: thanks for having me
Wol Euler: everyone is welcome, theseus.
Becka Finesmith: namaste
Wol Euler: bye becka, take care
Geo Netizen bows Namaste Becka
Becka Finesmith: See ya Wol - I'll come back in half an hour to check on you :p
Wol Euler: ha! I thought so! Pema had four listeners. Damn and blast.
Wol Euler laughs
Fael Illyar smiles.
Theseus Skytower: thank you all
Wol Euler: I'll be at the cafe in a while, just introducing Tarmel to a great skin shop
Becka Finesmith: You are welcome Thesues
Becka Finesmith: Coming to the Cafe?
Theseus Skytower: sure