2009.05.28 13:00 - Reflections without a pool

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    The guardian for this session was Storm Nordwind. The comments are Storm's.

    Adams had a fond memory to share from a year ago.

    Adams Rubble: Hi Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Adams. How very pleasant to see you :)
    Adams Rubble: Thank you. It is one week short of the first anniversary of coming to your Thursday afternoon session
    Storm Nordwind: Wow. So much has happened in that time
    Adams Rubble: Since I was hanging around the Zen retreat the week before, it semed approriate to come today :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes it has :)
    Wester Kiranov: hi storm, adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Wester and Ari :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Wester :)
    Storm Nordwind: No regrets then after a year of Play as Being? ;-)
    Adams Rubble: hehe. none whatsoever :)
    Adams Rubble: It has been a good year of introspection
    Storm Nordwind: Reflecting is something I am notoriously bad at doing
    Storm Nordwind: Apparently I've very good at it
    Storm Nordwind: But I never want to do it!
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: Some of us need to do it sometimes :)
    Adams Rubble wonders if she has any idea of what she is talking about
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Adams Rubble: Let's say I planned to stay a month or two and am happy to still be here
    Adams Rubble: Hello Ari :)
    Storm Nordwind: Wonderful!
    Arisia Vita: Hi all
    Adams Rubble: My head hasn't even exploded :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Ari
    Wester Kiranov: hi ari
    Arisia Vita: Hi storm and Wester
    Adams Rubble: hello Wol :)

    People had arranged themselves oddly around the pool, so I decided to remove it and reduce the number of cushions from 24 to just 8, and together we reflected on a year ago.

    Storm Nordwind: Now we seem very confrontational vs. poor Wester!
    Storm Nordwind: Excuse me. I am going to make it cosier
    Wol Euler: hello storm, ari, adams, wester
    Wester Kiranov: very cosy indeed. hope i stop levitating some time soon
    Storm Nordwind: hehe!
    Storm Nordwind: Just stand and sit again
    Adams Rubble: Yaaay!
    Storm Nordwind: Our first PaB sessions in the tea house were quite compact (rather than just cosy)
    Adams Rubble: hello Sophia :)
    Wester Kiranov: so, what will the fountain do at the 15 minute bell now?
    sophia Placebo: hello adam and all
    Storm Nordwind: ah ha, you will see! :)
    Storm Nordwind: The garden itself has come to see us
    Wol Euler: hello sophia
    sophia Placebo: hi wol :)
    Storm Nordwind: A year ago, I could not have envisaged where we are now. Now I just expect anything at all to happen in the next year!
    Wol Euler smiles
    Adams Rubble: a year ago i was scared silly :)
    Wol Euler: I year ago I was getting bored of SL and considered dropping out.
    Adams Rubble still is silly but not scared :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hmm. That happened to me a bit earlier Wol. I dropped out for 3 months
    Storm Nordwind: A year ago I was swept up in the enthusiasm for this new project called Play as Being
    Wol Euler: yeah, that is a large part of what kept me here.
    Storm Nordwind: Well my life is richer for your all having stayed here! :)
    Adams Rubble: It was very compelling
    Adams Rubble: yes Storm we all are richer :)
    Wol Euler: likewise!

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    Mickorod Renard: hiya folks
    sophia Placebo: hello mick , hi Qt

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    Wol Euler: hello mick, qt
    Storm Nordwind: Hello both!
    Qt Core: hi all intimate settings today ?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Mick, QT
    Adams Rubble is glad to have the steam cleaning of her clothes
    Storm Nordwind: Please join the cosy club :)
    Mickorod Renard: have we a subject?
    Storm Nordwind: So if you could sum up in one sentence why you stayed in SL after all after coming into contact with PaB, how would you describe it? And how have you changed?
    Storm Nordwind: Mick, we are recalling an near anniversary of Adams - of coming here
    Storm Nordwind: and we are all reflecting similarly
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,fantastic
    Adams Rubble: Pema had much to do with me staying and I am a much calmer person, learning about Love
    Adams Rubble: but I had a wonderful introduction from Storm that kept me here until I met Pema (the second week)
    Mickorod Renard: cool well done Storm
    Wol Euler: we owe you one.
    Storm Nordwind: haha - the pleasure is mine. Adams is very kind in her comments

    A few words here, a little kindness there. It becomes simply a part of everyday life. We may no longer think about it as it becomes who we are. But the effect we have can change a life - and we may never know it.

    Mickorod Renard: I enjoy the feeling that we seem to have formed a family,in our common interests and support
    Adams Rubble: yes Mick :)
    Wol Euler nods
    Storm Nordwind: A lovely description...
    Storm Nordwind: but it's not a family that excludes others - it seems to constantly grow
    Adams Rubble nods to Storm
    Qt Core: i'm having some little doubts about my permanence in SL and PaB is one of the few things keeping me there at the moment
    Wol Euler: why is that, QT?
    Wol Euler: (the doubts)
    Qt Core: as i'm not (and i don't plan to at the moment) a builder or a scripter or nothing i have a little lack of a goal here
    Qt Core: the lack of well stated goals is one of the nice things of sl but it is one of the if not flaws, downs
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps that is like Real Life Qt?
    Mickorod Renard: I can understand wht you are saying QT..as i often only come on to come to PaB too
    Qt Core: yes, even too much, Storm ;-)
    Wol Euler: RL is harder to log out of ...
    sophia Placebo: hehe wol
    Qt Core: and has no mute button
    Storm Nordwind: At least more than once Wol!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I must leave you all. Take good care everyone :)
    Wol Euler sighs. Oh for a RL mute button!
    sophia Placebo: bye adams
    Mickorod Renard: bye Adams
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Wester Kiranov: bye adams
    Qt Core: bye Adams
    Wol Euler: bye adams

    And so Adams left us.

    Storm Nordwind often longed for a mute button on children
    Mickorod Renard: yea
    Wester Kiranov: or just pause
    Wol Euler: oh, they don't bother me. I would mute adults :-/
    Mickorod Renard: although now, I hardly see mine
    Qt Core: for children a pause button, the mute one is needed by adults
    sophia Placebo: those who have no mute button what so ever storm - children-
    Wol Euler: yes

    Mick changed the subject - to Quantum Mechanics!

    Mickorod Renard: does anyone in PaB or Kira cover quantum theory,,or mechanics?
    Storm Nordwind: Do you mean in a workshop? Or someone that is knowledgeable in it?

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    Mickorod Renard: maybe a workshop,,or if not,maybe an individual that may wish to chat about it
    Mickorod Renard: ops

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    Storm Nordwind: I think Pema knows a lot about it, though Kira does not have a specific workshop on QM
    Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
    Wester Kiranov: what questions do you have about QM?
    Mickorod Renard: ouch,,sort of everything Webster
    Mickorod Renard: and
    Mickorod Renard: maybe if it fits in with phenemology too
    Qt Core: being an amateur astronomer i've read several books about QM, but only some month ago i had a "revelation" about it
    Mickorod Renard: please tell QT
    Qt Core: i started circling and wondering if there is a connection between QM and free will
    Mickorod Renard: mmm can u go further?
    Wol Euler: oooooh
    Qt Core: if the universe is newtonian, all stated and you can do some math and calculate the state of it at any point in time there is no free will
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Qt Core: so all the problems with religion and sin
    Qt Core: and grace
    Storm Nordwind: I've heard that argument before but have never been convinced
    Qt Core: but then QM stir it all ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: I am facinated too,,with sort of similar thoughts
    Qt Core: well, i'm not an expert, in both of the area of this, QM nor religion
    Mickorod Renard: not about religion
    Mickorod Renard: but about what we observe
    Wester Kiranov: But if you know the wave function of the universe it's all determined too - in QM
    Qt Core: it was one of those flash i sometime got while driving home in the evening... and risk to crash ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: he he he ,,know what u mean qt
    Qt Core: still a probability function, not a "sureness" one
    Mickorod Renard: but what we observe may be governed by a time line narative,,but outside that there may be any number of posibilities?
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps you are thinking that QM is bringing a measure of social science into the natural sciences! :) Introducing the idea of probabilities instead of 100% determinism
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,for me its the idea of probabilities
    Wester Kiranov: there are so many things here philosophically problematical - probabilities, free will, determinism, observation - each of those can be interpterted in many ways
    Qt Core: i still like the idea of someone coming out from a place well hidden and bringing us the simple and definitive equation that would explain everything ;-)
    Storm Nordwind: Like God's final message to his creation in H2G2? :)

    For those wishing to know God's final message to his creation and who have both wanderlust and a deep purse, they should make their way beyond what used to be known as the Limitless Lightfields of Flanux (until the Grey Binding Fiefdoms of Saxaquine were discovered lying behind them) to the Grey Binding Fiefdoms of Saxaquine. Within the Grey Binding Fiefdoms of Saxaquine lies the star named Zarss, around which orbits the planet Preliumtarn in which is the land of Sevorbeupstry. And in the land of Sevorbeupstry, they should come to the Great Red Plain of Rars, which is bounded on the South side by the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains, on the further side of which they will find the message they seek in thirty-foot-high letters of fire. I'll not spoil the Big Surprise by telling you what it is here.

    Wol Euler: "6*9=42" comes close.
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    Wol Euler grins at Storm
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Storm Nordwind: That equation simply proves the creator had 13 fingers Wol!
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Mickorod Renard: on both hands?
    Wol Euler: s/he certainy had a sense of humour

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    Corvi arrived and Mick continued.

    Storm Nordwind: Hi Corvi!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hiya.
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Corvi
    Wester Kiranov: hi corvi
    Wol Euler: hi corvi
    Qt Core: hi Corvi
    sophia Placebo: hi corvi
    Mickorod Renard: u know that idea about ,,say ,,perhaps I could be anywhere in this room I am sitting?
    Mickorod Renard: or maybe all those places at the same time
    Wester Kiranov: as long as you're not observed
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,well,,,,,
    Mickorod Renard: when the first person enters and observes me
    Mickorod Renard: what determines where I am?
    Wester Kiranov: nothing does, as far as I know
    Mickorod Renard: is it that person's expectation
    Wester Kiranov: not probable at all
    Mickorod Renard: or my expectation of where I think i am?
    Mickorod Renard: is it a linked conciousness?
    Wester Kiranov: actually, I think anyone observes themselves too much to be a real Schrodingers cat

    A brief aside about children's books, first in jest but then in seriousness.

    Mickorod Renard: mmmmm..I think I will return to reading kids books again/..he he
    Storm Nordwind: Actually there are some very profound things in one or two kids' books
    Wester Kiranov: it is good stuff to think about, you just shouldn't think you understand it all too soon
    Storm Nordwind is thinking especially of "Meal One" by Ivor Cutler
    Mickorod Renard: I know how little i understand,,grin,,about zero..but i am fascinated..
    Wester Kiranov: I don't know that one - but you reminded me of Momo
    Wester Kiranov: (Storm)

    We started wrapping up.

    Wester Kiranov: I will go to Stims talk in 5 mins - maybe some others here too?
    Mickorod Renard: yes ,,me too
    Qt Core: topic ?
    Mickorod Renard: I guess the problem is that there is still so much we dont know,,even about what our own conciousness is
    Mickorod Renard: Stim's is on ways of knowing
    Storm Nordwind: Still on "Ethics as a lens"?
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,ethics,,but there is some question whether it will carry on in that vien
    Storm Nordwind: Oh? What is the question?
    Mickorod Renard: I think Stim works diferently in voice over classes
    Mickorod Renard: and its hard to get the same effect in im/chat
    Wol Euler: hello fefonz
    sophia Placebo: hello fef
    Mickorod Renard: hi Fef
    Fefonz Quan: HI All!
    Wester Kiranov: hi fef
    Qt Core: hi fef
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Fef. We are just about to decamp
    Fefonz Quan: yes, to Stim's workshop
    Mickorod Renard: some of us are off to Stims
    Mickorod Renard: yea
    Fefonz Quan: that's where i'm going

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    Qt Core: some others don't know yet where they are going, so they are quantized all over SL
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wester Kiranov: (bye - see you at the kira cafe)
    Mickorod Renard: bye
    Fefonz Quan: yes, see you all :)
    Wol Euler: bye WoKkers
    Wol Euler: enjoy the session
    Mickorod Renard: bye Wol
    Fefonz Quan: we Wok the Wok,
    Fefonz Quan: :)

    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Thank you.

    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I am off too,,get a seat
    Wol Euler: bye ari, storm, fef, mick
    Mickorod Renard: byeeeeeeeeee
    Fefonz Quan: bye Wol, good night
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye all
    sophia Placebo: bye woker
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Wol

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