2010.02.24 13:00 - Blue Avatars and Black Holes

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

    Qt Core: hi Wol
    Qt Core: hi aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: hey Qt
    Wol Euler: hello qt, aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: hi wol
    Wol Euler: nice t-shirt. Canadian, eh?
    Aztlan Foss: nice avatar
    Aztlan Foss: who me?
    Wol Euler: ty, and yes you
    Wol Euler: :)
    Qt Core: we are going to see soo many blue avatars...
    Aztlan Foss: haha thanks. i'm from the US, though.
    Aztlan Foss: hey Wol, so you're a girl right? Yesterday I was wondering why girls check out my feet
    Wol Euler laughs
    Wol Euler: what?
    Aztlan Foss: there weren't any girls here so I couldn't get an answer
    Wol Euler: perhaps we#re checking whether you washed them lately?
    Aztlan Foss: hahaha
    Aztlan Foss: shiny shoes
    Wol Euler: I can't say, it's not one of my fetishes.
    Aztlan Foss: it's starting to make me self consious of always having my shoes tied
    Aztlan Foss: it'd be like having a zipper down
    Wol Euler: well, that is true.
    Wol Euler: shoes are meant to be securely fastened to your feet
    Aztlan Foss: and clean apparently
    Wol Euler: that too.
    Wol Euler: hello fef
    Qt Core: hi fefonz
    Aztlan Foss: hey Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol, Qt, Aztlan!
    Aztlan Foss: hey Fefonz so what's on your mind?
    Fefonz Quan: ah, sorory was afk for a minute
    Aztlan Foss: where'd you go?
    Fefonz Quan: no i'm back
    Fefonz Quan: now*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone, sorry to be late
    Qt Core: hi sophia
    Fefonz Quan: hEY sOPHsHAR!
    Aztlan Foss: hi sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and *gasps* a Na'vi Wol!!!
    Wol Euler: hello sharon
    Wol Euler: you're not late, we haven't really started yet.
    Wol Euler grins
    Fefonz Quan: yes, you have a new AVATAR wol!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: actually a beautiful one
    Wol Euler: going with the flow again ...
    Wol Euler smiles. Thank you, sharon, I did tweak the body and face quite a bit
    Fefonz Quan: (is that what 'n'avi' means ;-))
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow really nice
    Qt Core: a contraction for nice av ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the Na'vi are the race of people in the movie Avatar
    Aztlan Foss: yeah and they cure insanity by making you fly on winged dragon looking things
    Fefonz Quan: ( i knew that)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Qt Core: i spent many hours trying to understanding why they are blue
    Fefonz Quan: like the smirfs :)
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Aztlan Foss: lol
    Qt Core: oh yes, they are definivly Smurfs 2.0
    Wol Euler: yes, stretched smirfs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol QT, their botony is different, why not blue :) something to do with the atmosphere ;p
    Fefonz Quan: living in the forest, with all kinds of glowing mushrooms :)
    Fefonz Quan: also, lue works well for CGI cause it doesn't appear much in natural creatures
    Fefonz Quan: (or was it like this in the nineties?)
    Qt Core: as fir the forest browns or greens would be better, i really can't explain to me the blue
    Fefonz Quan: (wowo, esher fountain)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: blue is rare on earth, maybe its something to do with cellular respiration (or is more aesthitically more pleasing than, say, red)
    Qt Core: maybe i can get it after seeing it a second time this saturday ;-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: well, if i recall, people couldn't breath on Pandora, hence blue comes quite naturally ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Qt Core: :-)
    Aztlan Foss: LOL
    SophiaSharon Larnia wants to feel Wol's hair :)
    Wol Euler grins. Me too, actually :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Qt Core: i went a little picky about that movie... why the transmission between the capsules and the avatars isn't disturbed like the others kind of electronic transmissions/devices ?
    Wol Euler: I've worn this when "human" too, it looks just as good
    Fefonz Quan: sorry for changing the subject, but while appereciating the fountain, i found that i see it BEHIND the tree that is behind the pilar in fromnt of me... weird Esher like bag
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, the facial/body shape is beautifu;
    SophiaSharon Larnia: +l
    Fefonz Quan: beautifu sounds great too
    Fefonz Quan: *bug
    SophiaSharon Larnia: many things like that bothored me too, QT, but mine are more vague than yours, probably
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a bag thing i see is named circular steps, rez'd by Storm, I dont know if its the same thing
    Qt Core: like the usual luck of the stranger meetng at first try the boss daughter ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, the plot itself is another thing, yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i did try to balance the circle Fefonz ahaha
    Qt Core: so it is even prospectically right being na'vi higher ;-)
    Wol Euler: it's uncomfortable sitting behind the group :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not for me it isnt
    Qt Core: like being asocial or on punishment
    Fefonz Quan: it's weird how much of RL concepts we take here
    Wol Euler: well, we are real people ...
    Qt Core: after all those are the only one we have
    Fefonz Quan: as if where we sit here define what and who we see etc.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I greatly admire people who dont seem to... but then am about half afraid of them haha
    Qt Core: sometime i (we ?) comply with standard/accepted way of acting just for not have to explain myself on my reason
    Wol Euler: position does have a semantic meaning, though, here as in RL
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Qt Core: (times and times again)
    Mickorod Renard: hi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Mick
    Aztlan Foss: hi MIck
    Fefonz Quan: (hi mick!)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Qt Core: hi mick
    Mickorod Renard: hiya everyone,,nice 2 c u Fef
    Fefonz Quan: may i ask what does a semantic meaning mean?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt
    Fefonz Quan: u 2 mick :)
    Wol Euler: "it is information" :)
    Wol Euler: sitting in a particular position relative to the group carries a meaning about how I see the group or myself or the relationship
    SophiaSharon Larnia: body language
    Fefonz Quan: 'see' notin the visual sense i guess
    Wol Euler: i.e. sitting alone opposite a line of five people always feels like an interview even among friends
    Wol Euler: yes, see in the sense of experience or appreciate
    Fefonz Quan: (doesn't feel like an interview to me)
    Wol Euler: well :)
    Fefonz Quan: more like a classromm
    Wol Euler: aha!
    Wol Euler grins
    Mickorod Renard: there we go
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Wol Euler: so position carries meaning, just a different one for you than for me.
    Fefonz Quan: yo mick, i didn't do homework today!
    Mickorod Renard: he he ..niether did I
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well!
    Qt Core: it may be even a challenge from the one to the group
    Wol Euler: So, Mr. Renard, could you explain your presence in a proscribed area on Tuesday?
    Fefonz Quan: (? proscribed?)
    Mickorod Renard: I cant even remember where I was on Tuesday
    Wol Euler: yes, Sam always sat opposite us, and that definitely felt challenging
    Wol Euler: (forbidden)
    Mickorod Renard: eek,,was I in a forbidden area?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
    Wol Euler snorts. A likely story.
    Wol Euler grins
    Mickorod Renard: so Wol,,whats with the new outfit?
    Mickorod Renard: ahhhh,,I know
    Mickorod Renard: its that Avatar thingy
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Fefonz Quan: well mick, wol just came with the idea of a blue avatar, an idea that could make him a billioner if he came with it earlier...
    Wol Euler: damn that James Cameron
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,thats an excelent idea
    Fefonz Quan: yes, timing is everything
    SophiaSharon Larnia: billioner? geez :)
    Mickorod Renard: we just have to work a way to turn time back
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ara
    Fefonz Quan: hi Ara!
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
    Qt Core: hi Ara
    Mickorod Renard: dreams
    Mickorod Renard: I just remembered its tuesday,,and I was at dreams lastnight
    arabella Ella: Hiya Qt
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Fefonz Quan: try a rotating door mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: I mean its wednesday now
    Wol Euler: yes, and has been for quite a few hours now.
    Fefonz Quan: at least for 20 more minutes
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    arabella Ella: for some strange reason I too thought it was Tuesday for some time today
    arabella Ella: cool new avi Wol I love it :)
    Mickorod Renard: dreams workshop was good I thought
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Fefonz Quan: (n'avi in short ara)
    Mickorod Renard: I am sure if I get just the right angle I can see a hint of nipples
    Wol Euler grins
    arabella Ella: Mickkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Mickorod Renard: by accident of course
    arabella Ella: incorrigible as always
    Fefonz Quan: mick, all you see is blue in your mind, don't ya?
    Mickorod Renard: ah well,,imagination is my strong point
    Fefonz Quan: I consder using it as the title for the log mick!
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,It may not go down too well
    SophiaSharon Larnia: poinders which statement Fefonz means
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ponders*
    Mickorod Renard: would stick out a bit
    arabella Ella: yes which statement precisely?
    Fefonz Quan: well weeing is everything, ain't it?
    Fefonz Quan: seeing*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL
    Mickorod Renard: weeing can be the most important time in the world,,if one is desperate
    arabella Ella: or appreciating appearances perhaps
    arabella Ella: Fef seems like you may need to censor this log
    arabella Ella: he he
    Fefonz Quan: think i lost my censors sccisors Ara
    Mickorod Renard: hey,,Fef,,u may know the answer,,is a black hole a ball?
    Fefonz Quan: (try saying it out loud)
    Mickorod Renard: or sphere?
    Fefonz Quan: ball i would say, the event horizon is a sphere
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not a hole all the around, like your dream, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: so its a hole on all sides
    Fefonz Quan: though is there a difference?
    Wol Euler finds the idea of a three-dimensional hole somewhat mindboggling
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods nods
    Mickorod Renard: I thought I had one in my trouser pocket,,cos all my money keeps vanishing without a trace
    Wol Euler: boom boom
    Fefonz Quan: aha! if there was a black hole, you'll get a trace ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: there is still strong speculation that the lhc may end the world
    Mickorod Renard: in a black hole
    arabella Ella: maybe it will coincide with the 2012 preductions :)
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry whats a lhc?
    Qt Core: better that way than a nuclear war, a little sacrifice for science ;-)
    Fefonz Quan wonders whether 'strong speculation' makes a speculation less rediciolous
    Qt Core: large hadron collider, the acceleratir in Geneva
    arabella Ella: still a speculation
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok yes
    arabella Ella: just imagination ... no justification
    arabella Ella: other people like Mick with strong imagination
    Fefonz Quan: btw - it's already working Mick - are we gone already?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    arabella Ella: its working but slow for the moment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: visualizes 'slow' and shuts her eyes
    Wol Euler: well, for certain very special values of "slow" :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: !!
    Mickorod Renard: well,,the weak speculation is based on the idea that all the physisists actually think its ok,,so they wont disagree,,but the expert opinion is of a pysisist,,if I could spell it right
    Qt Core: 1/4 of its nominal power if i remember it right
    arabella Ella: possibly
    Mickorod Renard: so that only leaves those who know nothing about it to speculate that its dangerous
    Fefonz Quan: physicist :)
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when i think of a black hole that is a hole all the way around i "hear" a very very deep tone, would that have any basis in any speculation
    Fefonz Quan considers it a linguistic peak moment, being able to correct mick's english spelling
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Mickorod Renard: well, spelling is not one of my strong area's
    Fefonz Quan: i should quit while i'm ahead and go to sleep ;-)
    arabella Ella: and Mick is the only British person here
    Mickorod Renard: I am actually not bad when writing with pen
    Mickorod Renard: but I look at the keyboardf when typing,,and loose the plot somehow
    Fefonz Quan: SSL, it's not a hole in a way, at least not for sure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    arabella Ella: what is it then Fef?
    arabella Ella: if not a hole
    Mickorod Renard: a solid hole of super mass
    Fefonz Quan: not sure, it does suck everything around it
    Fefonz Quan: well it's a solid point or center with hugh mass,
    Fefonz Quan: huge
    arabella Ella: and excuse my ignorance ... what is huge mass?
    arabella Ella: what does it mean?
    Fefonz Quan: a hole might hint that there is a 'crack' to fall through to another place
    Fefonz Quan: (very big? think i didn't get your question ara)
    arabella Ella: what does 'huge mass' really mean?
    Mickorod Renard: maybe as big as a galaxy
    Wol Euler: "a really heavy sucker"
    Wol Euler: but very compact
    arabella Ella: mass? sounds solid?
    Fefonz Quan: much less than a galaxy, the issue is that the mass is very concentrated
    arabella Ella: mass sounds like the opposite of 'hole'
    Fefonz Quan: exactly!
    arabella Ella: oh ... i thought i would say something stupid
    arabella Ella: so then ... why is it called a hole if it is a mass?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was going to ask why didnt they call it a black mass then
    Fefonz Quan: in a way, if any, it's a hole in our knowledge about what happend behind the event horizon
    Mickorod Renard: in the case of a red dwarf say, the outer periphic contains the integrity of the mass of the internals,,but should that break down the mass of the internals collapses and sucks all things around it into its self
    Wol Euler: I thought it was because things fall (or are pulled) into it
    arabella Ella: me too
    arabella Ella: sucked
    Fefonz Quan: yes, that too, so it resemble the sink in the bathroom in that sense
    Mickorod Renard: except that its a ball
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Fefonz Quan: hence the mass is more accurate than the 'hole' description
    arabella Ella: so is it like a sink drain which is full of H2O which sucks water or whatever into it?
    Fefonz Quan: well, if you think of it, the sun also tries to suck everything into it
    arabella Ella: or like the liver in organisms
    Mickorod Renard: except light,,which it radiates
    arabella Ella: but with the sun is that not an effect of the intense heat?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: light escapes
    Fefonz Quan: well, that's because the sun is too big... make it a ping pong ball and there goes your light mick
    Mickorod Renard: and black holes draw light in,,or rather dont let light escape,,such is the pull
    Mickorod Renard: thats why they are black
    Fefonz Quan: yep
    Fefonz Quan: btw - black hole do seem to radiate a little - its called hawking radiation
    Qt Core: time to go... try not to have too much fun behind that event horizon ;-)
    arabella Ella: notte Qt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye :)
    Wol Euler: if we did, you#d never know :)
    Wol Euler: bye qt
    Fefonz Quan: bye Qt, :)
    Qt Core: bye
    Fefonz Quan: yeah!
    Mickorod Renard: it is said that we wouldnt be able to cope with travebye qt
    Mickorod Renard: missed him
    Mickorod Renard: wasnt there someone else here a min ago?
    Fefonz Quan: like Qt?
    Mickorod Renard: no,,another
    arabella Ella: yes there was but he is gone too
    Wol Euler: Aztlan was here, sound asleep, I guess he timed out
    Mickorod Renard: ohh
    arabella Ella: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go too bye all :)
    Fefonz Quan: think i'll go to sleep this time for real
    Wol Euler: goodnight sharon, take care
    Mickorod Renard: bye S S
    Wol Euler: bye fef, take care
    Fefonz Quan: bye SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves :)
    Mickorod Renard: Bye Fef,,nice cin u
    Fefonz Quan: night all, good seeing you here!
    Mickorod Renard: take care
    arabella Ella: back
    Wol Euler: so, ara, you're an observer at Pandora?
    arabella Ella: yes so far
    arabella Ella: although I would love to be a Na'vi too
    Wol Euler: why don't you?
    Wol Euler: (become one)
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    arabella Ella: time and patience i guess
    Wol Euler: heh
    arabella Ella: shall we speak Na'vi?
    arabella Ella: I am learning
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Aztlan
    arabella Ella: oֳ©l ngֳ¡ti kֳ¡meie
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Wol Euler: wb aztlan
    Mickorod Renard: lol,,I bet after a week you will know the whole language Ara
    arabella Ella: maybe
    arabella Ella: but it is difficult to learn
    Mickorod Renard: I dont even know my native one yet
    arabella Ella: Oel ngati kam-ei-e
    Wol Euler: htat means?
    arabella Ella: oh you don't yet have the note card Wol
    arabella Ella: I will try to give you a copy
    arabella Ella: :)
    Aztlan Foss: hey guys I'm back
    Mickorod Renard: I havnt been there yet
    arabella Ella: Hiya Aztlan
    Mickorod Renard: hiya Aztlan
    Wol Euler: wb
    arabella Ella: did you get the notecard Wol?
    Wol Euler: yes, ty ara
    Wol Euler: irֳ¡yo
    arabella Ella: that's irֳ¡yo
    arabella Ella: snap he he
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: Mick I would give you a copy but it is in German
    Mickorod Renard: is it a ful language?
    Mickorod Renard: ohh ok
    arabella Ella: just a few phrases
    Mickorod Renard: it wud confuse me anyway
    arabella Ella: the Pandora sim seems to be run by Germans so far
    Wol Euler: it'll probably turn into a full language at some point. After all, Klingon was only a few phrases when Star Trek began
    arabella Ella nods
    arabella Ella: there is a web site which gives info too on the plants trees animals etc
    Mickorod Renard: many old languages that were suppressed are not complete languages by modern standards
    arabella Ella: names and descriptions
    Aztlan Foss: I think all languages grow, no? just needs a syntax
    arabella Ella: they evolve
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Wol Euler: or die
    arabella Ella: to incorporate new inventions
    arabella Ella: and ways of life
    Aztlan Foss: and ideas
    arabella Ella: and some meanings change too
    arabella Ella: wicked in english has changed meaning
    Mickorod Renard: the welsh language has many english words for modern items
    arabella Ella: many languages do Mick
    arabella Ella: but some are spelt different
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    arabella Ella: like televixion
    arabella Ella: futbol
    arabella Ella: in my language
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: they then incorporate local phoenetics
    Aztlan Foss: yeah and like Tortilla in english :-P
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: is it the same in spanish?
    Mickorod Renard: would it not have been easier to have used a little known language for avatar instead of inventing a new one?
    Wol Euler: perhaps htey did...
    arabella Ella: yes possibly
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Ara
    arabella Ella: unobtainium is a nice word they use in the movie
    Mickorod Renard: irֳ¡yo
    Wol Euler: perhaps N'avi is actually a language spoken by a village of 37 people in a Brazilian highland clearing
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: could easily be
    Wol Euler nods
    Mickorod Renard: that wud make more sense
    arabella Ella: now Mick can speak Na'vi too
    Mickorod Renard: ֳ³e ֳ³mum
    Wol Euler smiles.
    arabella Ella: Hey Mick can you understand the german then?
    Aztlan Foss: unobtainium sounds like something from Futurama
    Mickorod Renard: Ja
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: unobtanium is a bit ironic i think Aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: yeah it is :-)
    Mickorod Renard: is this an execptionally long 90 secas?
    Wol Euler: the sim might be lagging
    arabella Ella: are you enjoying the Na'vi way of life Wol?
    Wol Euler: I'm not living it really, ara. I'm not roleplaying
    Wol Euler: just weariing the av so far
    Mickorod Renard: do you sleep in a tree hammock now?
    arabella Ella: the sim is lovely though isnt it?
    arabella Ella: very clever
    Wol Euler: yep, very beautiful
    arabella Ella: oh Wol one question before you leave
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    arabella Ella: have the tip jars been set up and where are they?
    Mickorod Renard: one day I will visit,,just need some better graphics and ram
    Wol Euler: not yet, I'm discussing htat with Pema and Storm at the moment
    arabella Ella: ah
    arabella Ella: my suggestion would be to set up three unless it creates problems
    arabella Ella: one in the cafe, one here and one in the village
    Wol Euler: well, at least three. maybe dozens :)
    arabella Ella: dozens would be even better :)
    Mickorod Renard: herman had one in the philo room,,its supprising if they are seen how much they get used
    arabella Ella: yesterday Storm was asking whether the village needed anything else
    arabella Ella: i think it would be nice to have a village square
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,with dance balls
    arabella Ella: maybe with some fun items to play with ...
    arabella Ella: i thought of playground stuff for example
    Wol Euler: well, there is a dance hall of sorts, on my plot
    arabella Ella: and comfortable seating outdoors
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Wol Euler: you're welcome to use it
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou
    Wol Euler: everyone is...
    arabella Ella: thanks Wol
    arabella Ella: I like the idea of a village square as I much prefer outdoor spaces on SL
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking that we as a group may become more social in a private setting like the village
    arabella Ella: who needs roofs and walls here anyway
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I generaly go to my private home at the end of a day,,on sl,,and if not go to a club
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: I almost always go home before logging of
    Wol Euler: *off
    Mickorod Renard: me too
    Mickorod Renard: and,,i am affraid, I must head home now
    Wol Euler: timely :)
    arabella Ella: yes its nice to log in at one's home
    Wol Euler: goodnight mick, take care
    arabella Ella: nite Mick
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,early to work in the morning
    arabella Ella: i must go too bye all
    Wol Euler: bye ara
    Mickorod Renard: goodnight guys,,sleep tite
    Wol Euler: I shall go too, it's nearly midnight. Goodnight Aztlan
    Mickorod Renard: nite Aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: good night everyone
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