2010.02.24 13:00 - Blue Avatars and Black Holes

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Qt Core: hi Wol
Qt Core: hi aztlan
Aztlan Foss: hey Qt
Wol Euler: hello qt, aztlan
Aztlan Foss: hi wol
Wol Euler: nice t-shirt. Canadian, eh?
Aztlan Foss: nice avatar
Aztlan Foss: who me?
Wol Euler: ty, and yes you
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: we are going to see soo many blue avatars...
Aztlan Foss: haha thanks. i'm from the US, though.
Aztlan Foss: hey Wol, so you're a girl right? Yesterday I was wondering why girls check out my feet
Wol Euler laughs
Wol Euler: what?
Aztlan Foss: there weren't any girls here so I couldn't get an answer
Wol Euler: perhaps we#re checking whether you washed them lately?
Aztlan Foss: hahaha
Aztlan Foss: shiny shoes
Wol Euler: I can't say, it's not one of my fetishes.
Aztlan Foss: it's starting to make me self consious of always having my shoes tied
Aztlan Foss: it'd be like having a zipper down
Wol Euler: well, that is true.
Wol Euler: shoes are meant to be securely fastened to your feet
Aztlan Foss: and clean apparently
Wol Euler: that too.
Wol Euler: hello fef
Qt Core: hi fefonz
Aztlan Foss: hey Fefonz
Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol, Qt, Aztlan!
Aztlan Foss: hey Fefonz so what's on your mind?
Fefonz Quan: ah, sorory was afk for a minute
Aztlan Foss: where'd you go?
Fefonz Quan: no i'm back
Fefonz Quan: now*
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone, sorry to be late
Qt Core: hi sophia
Fefonz Quan: hEY sOPHsHAR!
Aztlan Foss: hi sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: and *gasps* a Na'vi Wol!!!
Wol Euler: hello sharon
Wol Euler: you're not late, we haven't really started yet.
Wol Euler grins
Fefonz Quan: yes, you have a new AVATAR wol!
SophiaSharon Larnia: actually a beautiful one
Wol Euler: going with the flow again ...
Wol Euler smiles. Thank you, sharon, I did tweak the body and face quite a bit
Fefonz Quan: (is that what 'n'avi' means ;-))
Wol Euler: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow really nice
Qt Core: a contraction for nice av ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: the Na'vi are the race of people in the movie Avatar
Aztlan Foss: yeah and they cure insanity by making you fly on winged dragon looking things
Fefonz Quan: ( i knew that)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Qt Core: i spent many hours trying to understanding why they are blue
Fefonz Quan: like the smirfs :)
Wol Euler chuckles
Aztlan Foss: lol
--BELL--
Qt Core: oh yes, they are definivly Smurfs 2.0
Wol Euler: yes, stretched smirfs
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol QT, their botony is different, why not blue :) something to do with the atmosphere ;p
Fefonz Quan: living in the forest, with all kinds of glowing mushrooms :)
Fefonz Quan: also, lue works well for CGI cause it doesn't appear much in natural creatures
Fefonz Quan: (or was it like this in the nineties?)
Qt Core: as fir the forest browns or greens would be better, i really can't explain to me the blue
Fefonz Quan: (wowo, esher fountain)
SophiaSharon Larnia: blue is rare on earth, maybe its something to do with cellular respiration (or is more aesthitically more pleasing than, say, red)
Qt Core: maybe i can get it after seeing it a second time this saturday ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
Fefonz Quan: well, if i recall, people couldn't breath on Pandora, hence blue comes quite naturally ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Qt Core: :-)
Aztlan Foss: LOL
SophiaSharon Larnia wants to feel Wol's hair :)
Wol Euler grins. Me too, actually :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Qt Core: i went a little picky about that movie... why the transmission between the capsules and the avatars isn't disturbed like the others kind of electronic transmissions/devices ?
Wol Euler: I've worn this when "human" too, it looks just as good
Fefonz Quan: sorry for changing the subject, but while appereciating the fountain, i found that i see it BEHIND the tree that is behind the pilar in fromnt of me... weird Esher like bag
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, the facial/body shape is beautifu;
SophiaSharon Larnia: +l
Fefonz Quan: beautifu sounds great too
Fefonz Quan: *bug
SophiaSharon Larnia: many things like that bothored me too, QT, but mine are more vague than yours, probably
SophiaSharon Larnia: a bag thing i see is named circular steps, rez'd by Storm, I dont know if its the same thing
Qt Core: like the usual luck of the stranger meetng at first try the boss daughter ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, the plot itself is another thing, yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: i did try to balance the circle Fefonz ahaha
Qt Core: so it is even prospectically right being na'vi higher ;-)
Wol Euler: it's uncomfortable sitting behind the group :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: not for me it isnt
Qt Core: like being asocial or on punishment
Fefonz Quan: it's weird how much of RL concepts we take here
Wol Euler: well, we are real people ...
Qt Core: after all those are the only one we have
Fefonz Quan: as if where we sit here define what and who we see etc.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I greatly admire people who dont seem to... but then am about half afraid of them haha
Qt Core: sometime i (we ?) comply with standard/accepted way of acting just for not have to explain myself on my reason
Wol Euler: position does have a semantic meaning, though, here as in RL
--BELL--
Wol Euler: hello mick
Qt Core: (times and times again)
Mickorod Renard: hi
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Mick
Aztlan Foss: hi MIck
Fefonz Quan: (hi mick!)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Qt Core: hi mick
Mickorod Renard: hiya everyone,,nice 2 c u Fef
Fefonz Quan: may i ask what does a semantic meaning mean?
Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt
Fefonz Quan: u 2 mick :)
Wol Euler: "it is information" :)
Wol Euler: sitting in a particular position relative to the group carries a meaning about how I see the group or myself or the relationship
SophiaSharon Larnia: body language
Fefonz Quan: 'see' notin the visual sense i guess
Wol Euler: i.e. sitting alone opposite a line of five people always feels like an interview even among friends
Wol Euler: yes, see in the sense of experience or appreciate
Fefonz Quan: (doesn't feel like an interview to me)
Wol Euler: well :)
Fefonz Quan: more like a classromm
Wol Euler: aha!
Wol Euler grins
Mickorod Renard: there we go
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Wol Euler: so position carries meaning, just a different one for you than for me.
Fefonz Quan: yo mick, i didn't do homework today!
Mickorod Renard: he he ..niether did I
SophiaSharon Larnia: well!
Qt Core: it may be even a challenge from the one to the group
Wol Euler: So, Mr. Renard, could you explain your presence in a proscribed area on Tuesday?
Fefonz Quan: (? proscribed?)
Mickorod Renard: I cant even remember where I was on Tuesday
Wol Euler: yes, Sam always sat opposite us, and that definitely felt challenging
Wol Euler: (forbidden)
Mickorod Renard: eek,,was I in a forbidden area?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
Wol Euler snorts. A likely story.
Wol Euler grins
Mickorod Renard: so Wol,,whats with the new outfit?
Mickorod Renard: ahhhh,,I know
Mickorod Renard: its that Avatar thingy
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Fefonz Quan: well mick, wol just came with the idea of a blue avatar, an idea that could make him a billioner if he came with it earlier...
Wol Euler: damn that James Cameron
Mickorod Renard: yea,,thats an excelent idea
Fefonz Quan: yes, timing is everything
SophiaSharon Larnia: billioner? geez :)
Mickorod Renard: we just have to work a way to turn time back
Wol Euler: hello ara
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ara
Fefonz Quan: hi Ara!
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Qt Core: hi Ara
Mickorod Renard: dreams
Mickorod Renard: I just remembered its tuesday,,and I was at dreams lastnight
arabella Ella: Hiya Qt
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Fefonz Quan: try a rotating door mick :)
Mickorod Renard: I mean its wednesday now
Wol Euler: yes, and has been for quite a few hours now.
Fefonz Quan: at least for 20 more minutes
arabella Ella: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: he he
arabella Ella: for some strange reason I too thought it was Tuesday for some time today
arabella Ella: cool new avi Wol I love it :)
Mickorod Renard: dreams workshop was good I thought
Wol Euler: ty :)
Fefonz Quan: (n'avi in short ara)
Mickorod Renard: I am sure if I get just the right angle I can see a hint of nipples
Wol Euler grins
arabella Ella: Mickkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mickorod Renard: by accident of course
arabella Ella: incorrigible as always
Fefonz Quan: mick, all you see is blue in your mind, don't ya?
Mickorod Renard: ah well,,imagination is my strong point
--BELL--
Fefonz Quan: I consder using it as the title for the log mick!
Mickorod Renard: he he ,,It may not go down too well
SophiaSharon Larnia: poinders which statement Fefonz means
SophiaSharon Larnia: ponders*
Mickorod Renard: would stick out a bit
arabella Ella: yes which statement precisely?
Fefonz Quan: well weeing is everything, ain't it?
Fefonz Quan: seeing*
SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL
Mickorod Renard: weeing can be the most important time in the world,,if one is desperate
arabella Ella: or appreciating appearances perhaps
arabella Ella: Fef seems like you may need to censor this log
arabella Ella: he he
Fefonz Quan: think i lost my censors sccisors Ara
Mickorod Renard: hey,,Fef,,u may know the answer,,is a black hole a ball?
Fefonz Quan: (try saying it out loud)
Mickorod Renard: or sphere?
Fefonz Quan: ball i would say, the event horizon is a sphere
SophiaSharon Larnia: not a hole all the around, like your dream, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: so its a hole on all sides
Fefonz Quan: though is there a difference?
Wol Euler finds the idea of a three-dimensional hole somewhat mindboggling
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods nods
Mickorod Renard: I thought I had one in my trouser pocket,,cos all my money keeps vanishing without a trace
Wol Euler: boom boom
Fefonz Quan: aha! if there was a black hole, you'll get a trace ;-)
Mickorod Renard: there is still strong speculation that the lhc may end the world
Mickorod Renard: in a black hole
arabella Ella: maybe it will coincide with the 2012 preductions :)
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry whats a lhc?
Qt Core: better that way than a nuclear war, a little sacrifice for science ;-)
Fefonz Quan wonders whether 'strong speculation' makes a speculation less rediciolous
Qt Core: large hadron collider, the acceleratir in Geneva
arabella Ella: still a speculation
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok yes
arabella Ella: just imagination ... no justification
arabella Ella: other people like Mick with strong imagination
Fefonz Quan: btw - it's already working Mick - are we gone already?
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
arabella Ella: its working but slow for the moment
SophiaSharon Larnia: visualizes 'slow' and shuts her eyes
Wol Euler: well, for certain very special values of "slow" :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: !!
Mickorod Renard: well,,the weak speculation is based on the idea that all the physisists actually think its ok,,so they wont disagree,,but the expert opinion is of a pysisist,,if I could spell it right
Qt Core: 1/4 of its nominal power if i remember it right
arabella Ella: possibly
Mickorod Renard: so that only leaves those who know nothing about it to speculate that its dangerous
Fefonz Quan: physicist :)
Mickorod Renard: thankyou
Wol Euler: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: when i think of a black hole that is a hole all the way around i "hear" a very very deep tone, would that have any basis in any speculation
Fefonz Quan considers it a linguistic peak moment, being able to correct mick's english spelling
Wol Euler laughs.
Mickorod Renard: well, spelling is not one of my strong area's
Fefonz Quan: i should quit while i'm ahead and go to sleep ;-)
arabella Ella: and Mick is the only British person here
Mickorod Renard: I am actually not bad when writing with pen
Mickorod Renard: but I look at the keyboardf when typing,,and loose the plot somehow
Fefonz Quan: SSL, it's not a hole in a way, at least not for sure
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
arabella Ella: what is it then Fef?
arabella Ella: if not a hole
Mickorod Renard: a solid hole of super mass
Fefonz Quan: not sure, it does suck everything around it
--BELL--
Fefonz Quan: well it's a solid point or center with hugh mass,
Fefonz Quan: huge
arabella Ella: and excuse my ignorance ... what is huge mass?
arabella Ella: what does it mean?
Fefonz Quan: a hole might hint that there is a 'crack' to fall through to another place
Fefonz Quan: (very big? think i didn't get your question ara)
arabella Ella: what does 'huge mass' really mean?
Mickorod Renard: maybe as big as a galaxy
Wol Euler: "a really heavy sucker"
Wol Euler: but very compact
arabella Ella: mass? sounds solid?
Fefonz Quan: much less than a galaxy, the issue is that the mass is very concentrated
arabella Ella: mass sounds like the opposite of 'hole'
Fefonz Quan: exactly!
arabella Ella: oh ... i thought i would say something stupid
arabella Ella: so then ... why is it called a hole if it is a mass?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i was going to ask why didnt they call it a black mass then
Fefonz Quan: in a way, if any, it's a hole in our knowledge about what happend behind the event horizon
Mickorod Renard: in the case of a red dwarf say, the outer periphic contains the integrity of the mass of the internals,,but should that break down the mass of the internals collapses and sucks all things around it into its self
Wol Euler: I thought it was because things fall (or are pulled) into it
arabella Ella: me too
arabella Ella: sucked
Fefonz Quan: yes, that too, so it resemble the sink in the bathroom in that sense
Mickorod Renard: except that its a ball
Mickorod Renard: he he
Fefonz Quan: hence the mass is more accurate than the 'hole' description
arabella Ella: so is it like a sink drain which is full of H2O which sucks water or whatever into it?
Fefonz Quan: well, if you think of it, the sun also tries to suck everything into it
arabella Ella: or like the liver in organisms
Mickorod Renard: except light,,which it radiates
arabella Ella: but with the sun is that not an effect of the intense heat?
SophiaSharon Larnia: light escapes
Fefonz Quan: well, that's because the sun is too big... make it a ping pong ball and there goes your light mick
Mickorod Renard: and black holes draw light in,,or rather dont let light escape,,such is the pull
Mickorod Renard: thats why they are black
Fefonz Quan: yep
Fefonz Quan: btw - black hole do seem to radiate a little - its called hawking radiation
Qt Core: time to go... try not to have too much fun behind that event horizon ;-)
arabella Ella: notte Qt
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye :)
Wol Euler: if we did, you#d never know :)
Wol Euler: bye qt
Fefonz Quan: bye Qt, :)
Qt Core: bye
Fefonz Quan: yeah!
Mickorod Renard: it is said that we wouldnt be able to cope with travebye qt
Mickorod Renard: missed him
Mickorod Renard: wasnt there someone else here a min ago?
Fefonz Quan: like Qt?
Mickorod Renard: no,,another
arabella Ella: yes there was but he is gone too
Wol Euler: Aztlan was here, sound asleep, I guess he timed out
Mickorod Renard: ohh
arabella Ella: brb
SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go too bye all :)
Fefonz Quan: think i'll go to sleep this time for real
Wol Euler: goodnight sharon, take care
Mickorod Renard: bye S S
Wol Euler: bye fef, take care
Fefonz Quan: bye SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves :)
Mickorod Renard: Bye Fef,,nice cin u
Fefonz Quan: night all, good seeing you here!
Mickorod Renard: take care
--BELL--
arabella Ella: back
Wol Euler: so, ara, you're an observer at Pandora?
arabella Ella: yes so far
arabella Ella: although I would love to be a Na'vi too
Wol Euler: why don't you?
Wol Euler: (become one)
Mickorod Renard: Hiya
arabella Ella: time and patience i guess
Wol Euler: heh
arabella Ella: shall we speak Na'vi?
arabella Ella: I am learning
Mickorod Renard: Hi Aztlan
arabella Ella: oֳ©l ngֳ¡ti kֳ¡meie
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: wb aztlan
Mickorod Renard: lol,,I bet after a week you will know the whole language Ara
arabella Ella: maybe
arabella Ella: but it is difficult to learn
Mickorod Renard: I dont even know my native one yet
arabella Ella: Oel ngati kam-ei-e
Wol Euler: htat means?
arabella Ella: oh you don't yet have the note card Wol
arabella Ella: I will try to give you a copy
arabella Ella: :)
Aztlan Foss: hey guys I'm back
Mickorod Renard: I havnt been there yet
arabella Ella: Hiya Aztlan
Mickorod Renard: hiya Aztlan
Wol Euler: wb
arabella Ella: did you get the notecard Wol?
Wol Euler: yes, ty ara
Wol Euler: irֳ¡yo
arabella Ella: that's irֳ¡yo
arabella Ella: snap he he
Wol Euler: :)
arabella Ella: Mick I would give you a copy but it is in German
Mickorod Renard: is it a ful language?
Mickorod Renard: ohh ok
arabella Ella: just a few phrases
Mickorod Renard: it wud confuse me anyway
arabella Ella: the Pandora sim seems to be run by Germans so far
Wol Euler: it'll probably turn into a full language at some point. After all, Klingon was only a few phrases when Star Trek began
arabella Ella nods
arabella Ella: there is a web site which gives info too on the plants trees animals etc
Mickorod Renard: many old languages that were suppressed are not complete languages by modern standards
arabella Ella: names and descriptions
Aztlan Foss: I think all languages grow, no? just needs a syntax
arabella Ella: they evolve
Mickorod Renard: yes
Wol Euler: or die
arabella Ella: to incorporate new inventions
arabella Ella: and ways of life
Aztlan Foss: and ideas
arabella Ella: and some meanings change too
arabella Ella: wicked in english has changed meaning
Mickorod Renard: the welsh language has many english words for modern items
arabella Ella: many languages do Mick
arabella Ella: but some are spelt different
Mickorod Renard: yes
arabella Ella: like televixion
arabella Ella: futbol
arabella Ella: in my language
Wol Euler: :)
arabella Ella: they then incorporate local phoenetics
Aztlan Foss: yeah and like Tortilla in english :-P
arabella Ella: yes
arabella Ella: is it the same in spanish?
Mickorod Renard: would it not have been easier to have used a little known language for avatar instead of inventing a new one?
Wol Euler: perhaps htey did...
arabella Ella: yes possibly
Mickorod Renard: thanks Ara
arabella Ella: unobtainium is a nice word they use in the movie
Mickorod Renard: irֳ¡yo
Wol Euler: perhaps N'avi is actually a language spoken by a village of 37 people in a Brazilian highland clearing
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: could easily be
Wol Euler nods
Mickorod Renard: that wud make more sense
arabella Ella: now Mick can speak Na'vi too
Mickorod Renard: ֳ³e ֳ³mum
Wol Euler smiles.
arabella Ella: Hey Mick can you understand the german then?
Aztlan Foss: unobtainium sounds like something from Futurama
Mickorod Renard: Ja
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: unobtanium is a bit ironic i think Aztlan
--BELL--
Aztlan Foss: yeah it is :-)
Mickorod Renard: is this an execptionally long 90 secas?
Wol Euler: the sim might be lagging
arabella Ella: are you enjoying the Na'vi way of life Wol?
Wol Euler: I'm not living it really, ara. I'm not roleplaying
Wol Euler: just weariing the av so far
Mickorod Renard: do you sleep in a tree hammock now?
arabella Ella: the sim is lovely though isnt it?
arabella Ella: very clever
Wol Euler: yep, very beautiful
arabella Ella: oh Wol one question before you leave
Wol Euler: mmm?
arabella Ella: have the tip jars been set up and where are they?
Mickorod Renard: one day I will visit,,just need some better graphics and ram
Wol Euler: not yet, I'm discussing htat with Pema and Storm at the moment
arabella Ella: ah
arabella Ella: my suggestion would be to set up three unless it creates problems
arabella Ella: one in the cafe, one here and one in the village
Wol Euler: well, at least three. maybe dozens :)
arabella Ella: dozens would be even better :)
Mickorod Renard: herman had one in the philo room,,its supprising if they are seen how much they get used
arabella Ella: yesterday Storm was asking whether the village needed anything else
arabella Ella: i think it would be nice to have a village square
Mickorod Renard: yes,,with dance balls
arabella Ella: maybe with some fun items to play with ...
arabella Ella: i thought of playground stuff for example
Wol Euler: well, there is a dance hall of sorts, on my plot
arabella Ella: and comfortable seating outdoors
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Wol Euler: you're welcome to use it
Mickorod Renard: thankyou
Wol Euler: everyone is...
arabella Ella: thanks Wol
arabella Ella: I like the idea of a village square as I much prefer outdoor spaces on SL
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking that we as a group may become more social in a private setting like the village
arabella Ella: who needs roofs and walls here anyway
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: I generaly go to my private home at the end of a day,,on sl,,and if not go to a club
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I almost always go home before logging of
Wol Euler: *off
Mickorod Renard: me too
Mickorod Renard: and,,i am affraid, I must head home now
Wol Euler: timely :)
arabella Ella: yes its nice to log in at one's home
Wol Euler: goodnight mick, take care
arabella Ella: nite Mick
Mickorod Renard: yes,,early to work in the morning
arabella Ella: i must go too bye all
Wol Euler: bye ara
Mickorod Renard: goodnight guys,,sleep tite
Wol Euler: I shall go too, it's nearly midnight. Goodnight Aztlan
Mickorod Renard: nite Aztlan
Aztlan Foss: good night everyone