2010.04.13 07:00 - Between(s)

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Riddle finally came back to edit this a little more.

    Adams Rubble: hello Darren :)
    Darren Islar: hi Adams :-)
    Darren Islar: thanks :-)
    Adams Rubble: thank you :)
    Darren Islar: so, how are you?
    Adams Rubble: I am well, thanks. How are you?
    Darren Islar: beside being tired, I am well too, thanks :-)
    Adams Rubble: Better to be well than not tired :)
    Darren Islar: I agree :-)
    Darren Islar: It is enought to just be alive
    Darren Islar: I like that

    Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
    Darren Islar: hi Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: ah yes, good morning
    Riddle Sideways: sorry I is late
    Adams Rubble: It is OK, we were keeping the seats warm :)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: some days thatz all we can do
    Darren Islar: gave me some time to read Adams profile and to learn that it is enought just to be alive :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I try to remember that at least once a day
    Riddle Sideways: compared to adams we is slackers
    Darren Islar: breathing seems to be the only thing we really need to do :-)
    Darren Islar: slackers?
    Adams Rubble: haha Riddle. If you only knew

    Riddle Sideways: so are you also feeling ... between (somehow)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, I am still "between"
    Riddle Sideways: that the past and future have/are full
    Riddle Sideways: and todays/right now's present is a calm between something
    Adams Rubble: ahhh, interesting
    Adams Rubble: that was not quite what I meant be between but a nice thought
    Riddle Sideways: what is your between ?
    Adams Rubble: Mine is more difficult to define but more of a unsettled
    Adams Rubble: On the edge of knowing something
    Adams Rubble: but not quite being able to grasp it
    Adams Rubble: it moves away when I try to focus on it
    Adams Rubble: It seems to be an answer to some confusion
    Riddle Sideways: ha, where I talked of time, you mentioned knowledge
    Adams Rubble: but the answer is over there and the confusion is here :)
    Darren Islar: what a beautiful discription of learning :-)
    Riddle Sideways: the between knowing and to be learned
    Darren Islar: trying to focus, but moving away
    Adams Rubble: Maybe that is when we need wu wei and just let it drift to us
    Adams Rubble: but I am not doing the wu wei to well (giggles)
    Adams Rubble: too
    Darren Islar: I don't know about wu wei, but grasping never works
    Adams Rubble: wu wei is doing nothing
    Riddle Sideways: we are drifting down a long twisty corridor with a weak flashlight
    Adams Rubble: it is a Daoist term
    Darren Islar: but it is so common to us to do so
    Darren Islar: why are we grasping?
    Riddle Sideways: and why would we grasp
    Darren Islar: why can't we just sit and breath?
    Riddle Sideways: I'll second that emotion
    Adams Rubble: we have to remind ourselves not to grasp. Sometimes it is just hard
    Darren Islar: or 'doing' nothing and breathe (which something quite different)
    Darren Islar: *is
    Riddle Sideways: as long as we give so much to the great dualisms and two sidednesses... we will be stuck in the middle with you
    Darren Islar: ouch
    Darren Islar: my foot
    Riddle Sideways: ha, hi Yaku
    Darren Islar: hi yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: always a pleasure to step on ur toes darren :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Darren Islar: I noticed :-)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza :)
    Adams Rubble: Thank you Darren
    Darren Islar: maybe you're interste, since you Adams gave a perfect description of what you can experience during a meditation :-)
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Adams Rubble: Riddle, could say more about the past and present being full?
    Adams Rubble: whoops future
    Adams Rubble: especially the future being full
    Riddle Sideways: when I look over my shoulder... all those pasts spread behind. All those full yesterdays just make me tired
    Riddle Sideways: a full life is an exhausting thing
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: spin the head around and see those piles of to do lists
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: so many books so little time
    Riddle Sideways: the rest of today is schedule full
    Darren Islar: especially the books :-)
    Riddle Sideways: here I sit, between, breathing
    Riddle Sideways: being
    Riddle Sideways: is that enough
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: sort of Yoda talk
    Riddle Sideways: time is an easy subject to watch the dualism
    Riddle Sideways: the one dimensions
    Adams Rubble: When we look to the future we often begin to think of the intended results of our efforts rather than the living
    Riddle Sideways: but we be between time, spaces, thoughts, knowing, songs, seeing, etc.
    Riddle Sideways: usually, adams
    Darren Islar: when we sit, we are already stending up
    Darren Islar: and when we stand up, we are already walking
    Riddle Sideways: could be just the ancipation of the future we will past by
    Adams Rubble: If we wake up and appreciate that we have been given the gift of another day, things look so different
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: spoken like the old wise one
    Adams Rubble: shhhh
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: or a hallmark card
    Adams Rubble guffaws
    Riddle Sideways: does not have to be one or other
    Darren Islar: :_)
    Darren Islar: but hallmark cards are often right :-)
    Riddle Sideways: the day we are given is the same... our appreciation is what we bring to it
    Darren Islar: yes
    Riddle Sideways: what measure of appreciation will I bring to the breathe at 11:45
    Adams Rubble: PaB Hallmark Cards :)
    Riddle Sideways: copyright PaB
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to allow myself to appreciate the day, i feel somehow that i don´t ,,want" to not grasp
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and grasping is somehow bound to not being in the moment while i have to be in the moment to get going
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky
    Riddle Sideways: yes, very tricky
    Darren Islar: hmmm, even aprreciation can be grasping
    Riddle Sideways: 2 parts to grasp action
    Riddle Sideways: 1 the reaching
    Riddle Sideways: 2 the holding
    Darren Islar: but I think that is part of the problem: we don't want to not grasp
    Darren Islar: but why is that?
    Riddle Sideways: 3rd part = want
    Riddle Sideways: 4th part = do/don't
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think to much on how other pp see me, i know live is a codependent arising
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if i screw up and loose the ablitly to communicate to ppl i think i can say my mind to i don´t allow myself to be calm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or when i feel that i am unable to say what´s in my mind
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i don´t believe i can say what i think properly in words
    Adams Rubble thinking of Aesop's tale of the ant and the grasshopper
    Adams Rubble: the ant is working hard gathering food while the grasshopper fiddles and is idle
    Riddle Sideways: ah, inner tension about external tension?
    Adams Rubble: the moral of the tale is to prepare for the future
    Adams Rubble: when we live life we often are preparing for a future
    Adams Rubble: the tension comes from the need to drop that while doing it
    Riddle Sideways: the moral (could be) is to be a little of both
    Darren Islar: it is not the doing; doing nothing is how we can perceive the doing
    Adams Rubble: It could be but not what we were taught to do :)
    Riddle Sideways: prepare for the future by enjoying the past/present
    Yakuzza Lethecus: doing nothing is how we should try to percive the doing ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we are doing something anyway
    Darren Islar: exactly
    Yakuzza Lethecus: meditation is just a way to become aware of the things we forgot about doing and whom might deprive
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least to some extend maybe
    Darren Islar: huh?
    Riddle Sideways: the doing is one thing. the consent good/bad evaluations is another
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i often think that we are mindfull by nature and just lost our mindfull curiousity
    Riddle Sideways: how often, during mediation have we thought about things that need doing?
    Darren Islar: oh, in that way, could be
    Riddle Sideways thinks I have lost none of my curiousity
    Riddle Sideways: curiousity might be my problem
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Our doing things can overwhelm us
    Darren Islar: everything can be too much or too little
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: no no no no it can also be "just right"
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Darren Islar: thats why I said "can'
    Riddle Sideways: why do I forget that all the time
    Riddle Sideways: Between ==== just right
    Adams Rubble: and there is my "between"
    Adams Rubble: I am between being overwhelmed and finding the just right :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Darren Islar is pondering about adams words
    Riddle Sideways: and yak is very between
    Darren Islar: maybe so Adams
    Darren Islar: but I think you start with 'between', I have no idea about the right
    Riddle Sideways: in another 15 minutes, I shall again stick my head above water and breathe, take bearings and go again
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: what is right is a judgement
    Darren Islar: I mean you're between Adams
    Riddle Sideways: and please no politics... today
    Adams Rubble: politics?
    Darren Islar: what I mean is that I can feel the 'between' the way Adams described that
    Darren Islar: and that is all I know
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: It is easy to slip
    Riddle Sideways: our 'between's are us
    Riddle Sideways: for good/bad
    Darren Islar: the 'right' feels like reaching beyond the starts and my arm doesn't see to be long enough to do that
    Darren Islar: *stars
    Darren Islar: *seem
    Adams Rubble: yes, the grasping :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah, that good part of grasp is the reach out
    Darren Islar: right
    Darren Islar: it is all so tricky
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Adams Rubble: and so simple too :)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: like cassy casson said "keep reaching for the stars"
    Adams Rubble: the tricky parrt may be remembering it is simple
    Darren Islar: I think so, and maybe that is what Riddles means with 'politics"
    Adams Rubble: (another card?)
    Darren Islar: hahahh
    Riddle Sideways: how hard to be simple. Tis a gift to be simple
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: reaching out but not feel selfpitty if there we don´t reach them and stop and get blocked while reaching out
    Darren Islar: maybe we should put up a big halmark card on the square :-)
    Adams Rubble: ...tis a gift to be free
    Riddle Sideways: YES, do not feel self petty for trying
    Darren Islar: yes, right Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky, the stars are in our mind and the stars we are grasping for are already there, all we will find aren´t the stars we are grasping for anymore so why not feel delightfull und happy in every moment ?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Darren Islar: it is much closer by then we think, that is for sure :-)
    Riddle Sideways: ok, that card will be printed for my wall
    Darren Islar: but I don't agree completely with you Yaku, I think we also need to develop something
    Darren Islar: it is there, but not complete
    Darren Islar: but we certainly don't need to reach beyond the stars
    Riddle Sideways: we are completing by seeing them/that
    Darren Islar: but trying to find the right way often feels to me like that
    Darren Islar: right Riddle :-)
    Darren Islar: ah, in that way
    Darren Islar: ye Yaku
    Adams Rubble: I wish you all a simple day :)
    Darren Islar: *bye
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: that is a nice wixh
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go. Thanks for an uplifting chat, you all :)
    Darren Islar: same here, and thanks too :-)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
    Darren Islar: bye everyone
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