2010.04.27 13:00 - Architecture and a blue Archmage

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by yours truly.


    Agatha Macbeth waves to the recorder

    --BELL (1300)--

    Darren Islar: hi agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Darren
    Agatha Macbeth: How are you?
    Darren Islar: a bit tired, but okay
    Agatha Macbeth: Good, that's what we like to hear!
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: That you're ok I mean, not that you're tired!
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: I understood
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Storm
    Darren Islar: hi Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi all
    Agatha Macbeth: All two of us :)
    Agatha Macbeth: What are you building over there exactly?
    Storm Nordwind: It's contingency against my not having rezzed yet!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Darren Islar: a ghost!
    Agatha Macbeth: Wooooooooooooo!
    Storm Nordwind: Building? All built :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, great
    Darren Islar: I don't know, but we have been talking about that this afternoon
    Storm Nordwind: There's a lhakhang and some prayer wheel and a smoke offering burner
    Agatha Macbeth: I have to ask what a lhakang is I'm afraid
    Storm Nordwind: It's a Buddhist temple. Bhutanese word for it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Agatha Macbeth: What is a 'stupa' then?
    Storm Nordwind: A stupa is a representation of Buddha's mind. Traditionally they have a certain shape
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Storm Nordwind: They can be very small and occasionally so large you can get in underneath
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Storm Nordwind: Though generally people just walk around them
    Agatha Macbeth: All very confusing for a Catholic I'm afraid ;-)
    Darren Islar: oops
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Ooops'?
    Storm Nordwind: I dare say that intelligent Catholics can cope ;)
    Agatha Macbeth needs to think about that...

    At this point, Storm starts going away, then coming back, then going away, then coming back....(A bit like Frank Sinatra)

    Darren Islar: yes, I thought you start talking to a ghost, Strom being away :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: is he away?
    Darren Islar: just for a moment
    Agatha Macbeth is puzzled
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
    Darren Islar: never mind :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: I missed that
    Darren Islar: right
    Darren Islar: it happened again
    Agatha Macbeth: Saw that one tho!
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Agatha Macbeth: How do you do that?
    Darren Islar: I think those are little insults, don't you think so either?
    Storm Nordwind: What that?
    Agatha Macbeth: Go away and come back so quickly
    Darren Islar: yes, not good
    Storm Nordwind: Minimize the window momentarily
    Darren Islar: Maybe we should transport him to a hospital
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Darren Islar: oops
    Storm Nordwind: See, you can do it too!
    Darren Islar: what am i going to do with you
    Agatha Macbeth: Woohoo!
    Agatha Macbeth: I learn yet another little trick...
    Storm Nordwind: Not a very useful one this time though
    Darren Islar: you also can do that with afk if it is activated

    Ah, the long winter evenings must simply fly....

    Agatha Macbeth: Are all the places for Liza's meditation thing filled yet Darren?
    Darren Islar: no, not yet
    Darren Islar: I've got three left
    Agatha Macbeth: How are things proceeding, ok?
    Darren Islar: well, this is what I thought it would be
    Darren Islar: we start next week for 4 sessions
    Darren Islar: see if we want to continue for another 4
    Darren Islar: then you have the basis
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I see
    Darren Islar: the you get the feel of it, let me put it that way
    Agatha Macbeth: I understand
    Darren Islar: so I can just do that before the holidays start
    Storm Nordwind: What kind of meditation will be practiced?

    --BELL (1315)--

    Darren Islar: based on shamatha vipashana
    Storm Nordwind: very good :)
    Darren Islar: but I sill also do some bodywork and visualizations
    Darren Islar: I think it gives you more tools about dropping and the process of it
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Will you be talking people through it, like Vector does at Cafh?
    Darren Islar: so I think it can be a good add on for PaB
    Darren Islar: initially yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi hi hi
    Storm Nordwind: Good afternoon Sharon
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Sharon :))
    Darren Islar: the first time I will talk a lot and after a while it gets less
    Darren Islar: hi Sharon
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds interesting
    Darren Islar: it is :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Darren Islar: hey Zon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: noww this is you first session Aggers?? :P
    Zon Quar: heya
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Darren Islar: she is doing a good job so far :-)
    Agatha Macbeth nods to Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: who would of thought anything else!
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, I already have the log, which is the main thing!
    Darren Islar: mmm, the chase for the log
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zon :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I just hope the lines don't double up this time
    Darren Islar: being in time before everybody starts to wonder who the GoC is this time
    Darren Islar: double up?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, on friday night Arch's and Lucinda's lines were all duplicated
    Darren Islar: oh, never had that
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol says she doesn't know what causes it to happen
    Darren Islar: I heard sometimes lines are missing
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I never had any missing lines- yet
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pablito!!
    Darren Islar: neither did I
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema!!
    Darren Islar: Hi Pema
    pablito Steampunk: hello
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Darren Islar: but the letters sometimes get very small
    Darren Islar: and I missed a whole log once
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Pema, and Pablito
    Zon Quar: Hi Pema
    Zon Quar: pabito
    Darren Islar: hi Pablito
    Agatha Macbeth: Eek
    pablito Steampunk: hi all
    Agatha Macbeth: Missed a whole log?
    Storm Nordwind is just going to reboot to overcome lag ttys
    Agatha Macbeth: OK
    Darren Islar: needed to restart it
    Darren Islar: but never got the second part
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear

    Wol appears, and for some strange reason sits down facing outwards....

    Darren Islar: hi wol
    Pema Pera: Hi Wol !!!
    Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
    Agatha Macbeth: Evenin' Wol :)
    Wol Euler: and even more sorry to be sitting backwards
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Wol (looks at Wol's back)
    Agatha Macbeth grinz
    Darren Islar: :-)
    pablito Steampunk: Hi Wol
    Pema Pera: :)
    Darren Islar: hey, Storm vanished
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see yer back Wol :)
    Wol Euler: boom boom
    Agatha Macbeth: He'll be back
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Wol, Storm left to reboot, and may land on you when he returns ^^

    Wol moves to another cushion

    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Oi! Come back!
    Wol Euler sighs theatrically

    Wol returns to her original cushion

    Agatha Macbeth: (Doh)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lalala
    Pema Pera: (wol has the perfect kind of boots for "rebooting" !)
    Agatha Macbeth groans
    Wol Euler grins
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right?!
    Agatha Macbeth: You groan, I grin
    Darren Islar: Storm is only about ....what.....90 kilo's
    Wol Euler: I know somebody who wears these in RL. They are enormous.
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that heavy?
    Wol Euler: big enough, yes.
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not good with kilos
    Agatha Macbeth: Still using stones and pounds
    Wol Euler: sorry, don't let me distract you from your discussion
    Zon Quar: multiply with 2, u get pounds apps.
    Agatha Macbeth: Er, what was the discussion?
    Darren Islar: about claiming the log :-)
    Zon Quar: appx
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
    Agatha Macbeth: What happened then Darren, did you get it back?
    Darren Islar: no, but because I knew I was going to miss a part I made a copy of the local chat
    Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
    Darren Islar: it is a little bit more work
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, Bleu suggested that in the guardians' meeting on Sunday. I managed to miss the obvious as usual
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: (A trait I inherited from my father )

    --BELL (1330)--

    Zon Quar: mealves quitely...
    Agatha Macbeth waves quietly
    Pema Pera: (mealve: leave to get a meal?)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya QT :)
    Pema Pera: hi Qt!
    Qt Core: hi all
    Pema Pera: wb Storm!
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And hello again Storm
    Darren Islar: wb Storm, hey QT
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Storm, Hi Qt
    Wol Euler: wb storm
    Agatha Macbeth: (Told you he'd be back :)

    (Call him Arnie)

    Agatha Macbeth: Have you ever done any of these kind of meditations in RL Darren?
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: but that is a few years ago
    Agatha Macbeth: How did you find them?
    Agatha Macbeth: (sorry to put you on the spot)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (brb phone)
    Darren Islar: oh it is very nice to be leading a meditation
    Darren Islar: being a meditation for me too, but different then when I do them at home
    Darren Islar: but there are differences with sl
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    Darren Islar: the connection is harder to make, I can't see what is happening
    Agatha Macbeth: Does it feel more 'intense' when leading them, as opposed to just participating?

    Archmage arrives, looking like the Incredible Hulk, only blue rather than green

    Darren Islar: Hi Arch
    Pema Pera: hi Arch with arches
    Agatha Macbeth: (I hear Arch)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Arch
    Darren Islar: no different
    pablito Steampunk: hi Arch
    Qt Core: hi hulkified Arch
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, interesting
    Darren Islar: it is the same kind of concentration, but you're focussing on other things
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh good grief Arch! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You have gone blue
    Agatha Macbeth: Er...cyan
    Darren Islar: a bit blue today :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Blue Tuesday
    Wol Euler: is today tuesday?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Darren Islar: yes Wol :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: I believe so...
    Wol Euler: ty
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought I was the only one who does that
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: (If I'm a Neko it must be Tuesday)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Wol Euler: I can tell Saturdays and Sundays, because the traffic sounds are different. Other than that ...
    Darren Islar: i just know because I forgot to put the garbage outside
    Agatha Macbeth: Oops :)
    Archmage Atlantis: hello aggie
    Darren Islar: and not for the first time :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: How d'you mean different Wol, not so much?
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh wrong form
    Darren Islar likes Agatha wiggling her tail :-)
    Wol Euler: different in many ways, actually. Fewer trucks, the trams run less often, fewer cars
    Wol Euler: odd long pauses between cars on Sunday
    Darren Islar catches the kiss
    Agatha Macbeth: the weekend wind-down...
    Agatha Macbeth: Are weekends as special as they used to be I wonder?
    Darren Islar: If you are used to traffic constantly, the pauses can be odd
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Agatha Macbeth: Not for you Wol, cos you're always working anyway ;-)
    Wol Euler: true
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: still working hard Wol?
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: we are doing a competition during hte next two weeks, it'll be tough

    --BELL (1345)--

    Qt Core: i love the new marching direction of the street where i live... it almost seem sunday everyday, it is much more useful now ;-)
    Qt Core: much more = a lot less
    Darren Islar: it doesn't seem to end Wol
    Wol Euler: also true
    Darren Islar: are you coping?
    Agatha Macbeth: What exactly are these competitions Wol, I always meant to ask
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was wondering the same thing :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Wol Euler: I feel vaguely uneasy about using session time to talk about this
    Darren Islar: okay :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, no worries
    Wol Euler: after the bell :)
    Pema Pera: I'd love to hear more about it, Wol !
    Agatha Macbeth: (I'll catch you later...)
    pablito Steampunk: thats got me more curious (joking)
    Pema Pera: me too, pab
    Wol Euler: well, if nobody objects :)
    Darren Islar: not me
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't :)
    Pema Pera: on the contrary!
    pablito Steampunk: me too
    Archmage Atlantis: Star has told me who
    Archmage Atlantis: wol is
    Wol Euler: OK. I'm an architect, we seem to have specialized in sports complexes and swimming pools
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Archmage Atlantis: As she has told me who I am
    Wol Euler: and are taking part in another competitoin for a rather small centre in the north, in the flatlands ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: it sucks big time
    Wol Euler: it seems really odd to see the height above sea level given as "9.5 metres"
    Wol Euler: they will need to worry about global warming htere too
    Agatha Macbeth: God, yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that up near Holland?
    Pema Pera: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    Pema Pera: we'd be happy to sell them dike technology :)
    Darren Islar: yes
    Wol Euler: so, in Germany any building paid for with public money must be contracted out by competitions
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Darren Islar: :_) Pema
    Qt Core: then you'll be ready for doing something in Venezia, with a long stay to look after the work ;-)
    Wol Euler: to give smaller younger firms a chance to get started, and to ensure that the Old Boy network doesn't just keep the goodies to itself
    Pema Pera: :)
    Agatha Macbeth smiles @ QT
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
    Agatha Macbeth: There are no Freemasons in Germany then ? :P
    Wol Euler: yes, of course, that's why we have competitions :)
    Darren Islar: but that meas a new job and the continuing of a lot of work
    Qt Core: competition only for lower cost or for better looking ?
    Darren Islar: *continuation
    Wol Euler: cost plays a role, qt, particularly estimated operating costs.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Qt or how about better built
    Wol Euler: there is a budget, in this case 5.5 million Euros, which is tiny.
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Wol Euler: but mostly it's about aesthetics
    Wol Euler: and town planning nicenesses
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Qt Core: we call it "appalto" in italy, one of the favorite food of Mafia :-)
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth hides
    Darren Islar smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: 'An offer you canna refuse'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm goggled that and got sites all in italian :)
    Wol Euler: we've done enough of these that they pretty well design themselves
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually, that sounded Scottish! :DDD
    Agatha Macbeth: You goggled it Shaz?
    Wol Euler: we spent two hours deciding how to place the building on the site, and I went off to start laying out the rooms :)
    Wol Euler: while bosses worked on how it would look
    Qt Core: i'm quite worried for all the money that is going to spent for Expo 2015
    Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
    Pema Pera: what happened then, Wol ?
    Wol Euler: well, we are in mid-process, of course.
    Pema Pera: and no possible allowance for cost overruns, later, no matter what?
    Wol Euler: IT doesn't fit, the required accomodation is larger than I can get into the envelope we thought was a good shape for the city
    Wol Euler: and even so it's about 12% too expensive
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Wol Euler: so we start paring and squeezing
    Pema Pera: a basement perhaps for extra space?
    Wol Euler: what can be combined, what can be left out, what can be reduced
    Pema Pera: and ecological friendlyness?
    Wol Euler: oh no, basements are the last thing we can use there, groundwater is just below topsoil
    Storm Nordwind wonders about basements below sea-level
    Wol Euler: exactly, storm
    Pema Pera: or attic under a roof with sods?
    Darren Islar: flatlands Peman :-)
    Wol Euler: we are putting as much as possible of the tech on the roof
    Agatha Macbeth: (Like East Anglia)
    Pema Pera: (we have basements in Holland, depends on how you build them! -- no earthquakes though)
    Wol Euler: which of course is (a) ugly as hell, and (b) noisy for the neighbours, so how to deal with that ...
    Storm Nordwind must slip out quietly for another meeting
    Darren Islar: no but also problems with water in basements
    Wol Euler: it's like jugggling two raw eggs and a running chainsaw :)

    (I'd like to see that done)

    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Storm, take care
    Pema Pera: auch
    Wol Euler: bye storm, take care
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Darren Islar: bye Storm
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap

    --BELL (1400)--

    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone :)) see you later
    pablito Steampunk: bye Sharon
    Qt Core: i too have to go, bye all and have fun (and don't overwork yourself)
    Agatha Macbeth: Does all this make German architecture better or worse in the long run, d'you think?
    Wol Euler: bye qt, enjoy.
    Pema Pera: bye Qt
    pablito Steampunk: bye qt
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Sharon and QT
    Wol Euler: hmmmm, mixed.
    Wol Euler: it means that there is no chance for "signature" buildings from the public purse
    Sartre Placebo: hey everyone, yaku here
    Pema Pera: oh hi Yaku!
    pablito Steampunk: hello Sartre
    Wol Euler: the Frank Gehry type things have to be done by private enterprise, if they are wanted
    Wol Euler: hello sartre, nice to see you
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Sartre
    Darren Islar: hey Sartre
    Darren Islar: oh, it was dreamsorkshop today
    Wol Euler: but on the other hand, the winning entry is usually not ugly.
    Wol Euler: It's a balance.
    Darren Islar: I need to catch Fox, so I'll be off
    Wol Euler: bye darren, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Darren :)
    pablito Steampunk: bye Darren
    Sartre Placebo: bye darren
    Wol Euler: the general standard is raised by holding competitions, but you get fewer masterpieces
    Pema Pera: bye Darren!
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Wol Euler: because the really good architects don't take part. They don't have to.
    Agatha Macbeth: IMHO, most modern buildings are monstrosities
    Wol Euler: I'll grant you "too many", but not "most" :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of the UK in particular!
    Pema Pera quietly sneaking out, back to work
    Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the day
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Pem
    Pema Pera: c u all soon again
    pablito Steampunk: bye Pema
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess the question is do we want our buildings to be functional or beautiful?
    Wol Euler smiles and shrugs. We could spend a month on defining each of those words
    Agatha Macbeth: It all comes down to definitions eventually...
    Agatha Macbeth: Chacun a son gout
    Wol Euler: buildings that really do work well also tend to be good-looking, though.
    Wol Euler: if you see a building and think "htat must be really functional", it is probably not working well
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: I like Tudor timber-framed houses best...
    Wol Euler: there's an analogy to writing software. Good code, code that works cleanly and efficiently, also looks good on the page.
    Wol Euler: I don't know why that is, but it's absulotely true
    Wol Euler: well, agatha, people still build those. They are expensive as hell, because it's all hand-work
    Agatha Macbeth: It's like when playing chess, pieces look better on their 'natural' squares
    Wol Euler: and natural materials.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Wish I had one
    Wol Euler: I'd love to do a proper stone-clad building with fine carving around the windows and doors
    Wol Euler: but nobody is going to pay for it
    Wol Euler: each of those windows costs as much as a small car.
    Agatha Macbeth: I love Cathderals and Churches, I could look at them for hours...
    Wol Euler: wb darren
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Darren
    Darren Islar: thx
    Wol Euler: and libraries :)
    Wol Euler: universities generally
    Darren Islar: the atmosphere?
    Wol Euler: yes, but specifically the architecture.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, but then I'm more interested in the books! :)
    Wol Euler: [14:12] Agatha Macbeth: I love Cathderals and Churches, I could look at them for hours...
    Darren Islar: old libraries
    Darren Islar: sure Agatha :-)

    --BELL (1415)--

    Agatha Macbeth: I much prefer old buildings to modern ones
    Darren Islar: (it sounds different then I meant, still struggling with the english language)
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't be silly!
    Agatha Macbeth: (Better than my Dutch)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Darren Islar: true :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank you :)
    Wol Euler: nice hair and ears, Arch :)
    Wol Euler: I hadn't noticed before
    Archmage Atlantis: I speak FL American....there are many kinds of american english
    Darren Islar: probably yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, it's a big place Arch!
    Archmage Atlantis: Towers of babel
    Agatha Macbeth: The gGate of God
    Agatha Macbeth: -g
    Wol Euler: the gate of odd?
    Agatha Macbeth: Naah!
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth sighs and rolls her eyes
    Wol Euler: oh, as if you never make bad jokes


    Sartre Placebo: hehe, so you can come on friday at noon to the voice happyhour arch
    Sartre Placebo: and show ur fl dialect :)
    Archmage Atlantis: is the mad hatter sitting beside me?
    Agatha Macbeth: No, that's the dormouse ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: kk
    Agatha Macbeth: And I'm Alice :)
    pablito Steampunk: Alice has blonde hair
    Wol Euler: and a big knife.
    Agatha Macbeth: I dyed it
    Darren Islar: then I'm Alice
    Sartre Placebo: who the fuck is alice ?
    pablito Steampunk: she was female
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Sartre Placebo: sry, i just had that idiotic song in mind :)
    Archmage Atlantis: a\\Damg how did i get tagged with the walrus
    Darren Islar: oh, damn, okay :-)
    pablito Steampunk: yeah, a rather punky song lol
    Agatha Macbeth: I am the Walrus, coo coo ca choo
    Archmage Atlantis: A rather punky book
    pablito Steampunk: id say a psychedelic book
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee%27s_Alice
    Wol Euler: (the illustration)
    Darren Islar: (and I wanted to be Alice so bad_
    pablito Steampunk: yum yum
    Agatha Macbeth: Never played that, but it looked good
    Darren Islar: me neither, is ot a Dutch thing actually
    pablito Steampunk: Darren got a sex change then
    Agatha Macbeth: The Vorpal blade
    Agatha Macbeth: He DID???
    Agatha Macbeth gasps
    Agatha Macbeth: Whatever next?
    Wol Euler: it's more common than you might think ...
    Darren Islar: hmmmm ....eh .....yes
    Agatha Macbeth: <cough cough>
    Wol Euler: humbug?
    Agatha Macbeth: Bah
    Archmage Atlantis: Every 1 in SL gets a sex chaaaange
    Darren Islar: but whatever gender, always wondered about girls like Alice
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh everyone wonders about Alice
    pablito Steampunk: shes a very curious girl
    Agatha Macbeth: (Not Cooper)
    Archmage Atlantis: thk god I am only gay
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Arch, makes things easier
    Wol Euler: A town called Alice
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    pablito Steampunk: enjoyed following whte rabbits for some reason
    Agatha Macbeth: Or not...
    Darren Islar: ehhh......yeah, well, that seems to become a bit more complicated with me now :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Follow the White rabbit
    Agatha Macbeth thinks of Jefferson Airplane
    Archmage Atlantis: too late bro, you are down the rabbit holeeeeeee
    Agatha Macbeth: (And Grace Slick :)
    Wol Euler: y'know I've been hearing references to that song for as long as I can remember, but I think I've never actaully listened to it

    --BELL (1430)--

    pablito Steampunk: omg really WOL?
    Agatha Macbeth: It's probably their standard classic
    Agatha Macbeth: Better than 'We built this city on rock n' roll' anyways
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    Wol Euler: oh god yes, but then so is eating rotten fish
    Agatha Macbeth is lost for a response
    Wol Euler: woo. I win.
    Wol Euler marks her calendar.
    Agatha Macbeth bats you over the head with a cushion
    Archmage Atlantis: Not really wol
    Wol Euler giggles and fidgets.
    pablito Steampunk: is that a sign of affection?
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh certainly!
    Wol Euler: around here it is, yes.
    pablito Steampunk:  aww sweet
    Agatha Macbeth grins and blushes
    Wol Euler: and yes, arch, you're right. I exaggerate slightly.
    pablito Steampunk: so does everyone here like taking part in competitions?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not me, I usually lose :(
    Wol Euler: well, I'm only professionally competitive :)
    pablito Steampunk: ok, do you enjoy being professionally competitive?
    Wol Euler: definitely.
    pablito Steampunk: can you explain why?
    Wol Euler: in the context of an architectural competition, it's about as free as you can be
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Cor baby, that's really free' :)

    Jon Ottoway anybody?

    Wol Euler: yes, there is a statement of requirements, and usually a budget, but there is as yet no user committee or angry neighbours or foolish town councillors wanting to change the colour of hte doors
    pablito Steampunk: can you explain further on what you meant by that?
    Wol Euler: those things all come in time, if you are lucky enough to win
    Wol Euler: and while it's running, the work is great. Lots of excitement (relatively speaking :)
    pablito Steampunk: so competition stimulates action
    Wol Euler: and a deadline to keep you moving.
    pablito Steampunk: is that what you mean by being more free?
    Wol Euler: I meant it more literally than that.
    Wol Euler: As soon as it's a real project wiht real bricks and money, people start telling you what to do.
    Wol Euler: Some know what they're talking to, and you listen to those; but many are just Dilbert's pointy-haired boss with bricks.
    Agatha Macbeth: You did say bricks? ;-)
    Wol Euler: indeed I did.
    Agatha Macbeth: Just checking
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: oh, damn, what's the word for that? using a part of a thing to represent the whole
    pablito Steampunk: a metaphor?
    Wol Euler: like saying "the White House" to represent the american government
    Wol Euler: yes, but there's a specific word for this
    Agatha Macbeth consults her dictionary
    pablito Steampunk: hmmm
    pablito Steampunk: would the world be a worst off place without out competition do you think?
    Agatha Macbeth: Darwin wouldn't think so
    Agatha Macbeth: (Not Mizser)
    Wol Euler: that's like asking whether the world would be better off without dust. Never happen as long as humans are in it.

    --BELL (1445)--

    pablito Steampunk: so a silly question in your view?
    Darren Islar: who is competetive here anyway?
    Agatha Macbeth: Who indeed?
    pablito Steampunk: yes, i was thinking the competitive spirit isn't here
    Darren Islar: ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Wu wei?
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche
    Wol Euler: found it :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Found what?
    Darren Islar: the word
    Wol Euler: using a part of something to represent the whole. The word I couldn't remember
    pablito Steampunk: Synecdoche
    Wol Euler: google and wikipedia remembered it for me:)
    pablito Steampunk: the internet is good at that
    Agatha Macbeth: Never even heard of it
    Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of 'simulcra' for some reason
    Darren Islar: new word to me too
    pablito Steampunk: me too
    Wol Euler: my parents were both teachers :)
    pablito Steampunk: heard of simulcra though
    Darren Islar: ah :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: God help ya!
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    pablito Steampunk: so you have been heavily brainwashed then Wol
    Wol Euler: absolutely.
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    Darren Islar: who isn't?
    Wol Euler grins and nods
    pablito Steampunk: the ones who haven't got teachers for parents lol
    Wol Euler: ho ho.
    Wol Euler: they are just differently brainwashed, by other people
    Darren Islar: I have a feeling that is not part of the definition
    pablito Steampunk: yes, its not really brainwashing
    Darren Islar: everyone is brainwashed, that's why we (normally) fit in
    Agatha Macbeth: My brain wouldn't take much washing
    Wol Euler: I <3 wikipedia. "Nietzsche addresses the concept of simulacrum (but does not use the term) in The Twilight of the Idols, suggesting that most philosophers, by ignoring the reliable input of their senses and resorting to the constructs of language and reason, arrive at a distorted copy of reality.[7] Modern French social theorist Jean Baudrillard argues that a simulacrum is not a copy of the real, but becomes truth in its own right: the hyperreal. Where Plato saw two steps of reproduction — faithful and intentionally distorted (simulacrum) — Baudrillard sees four: (1) basic reflection of reality, (2) perversion of reality; (3) pretence of reality (where there is no model); and (4) simulacrum, which “bears no relation to any reality whatsoever.” Baudrillard uses the concept of god as an example of simulacrum."
    Darren Islar: eh.......right Wol :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: That's Nietzsche for you
    Wol Euler: he was a clever old bugger.
    Darren Islar: I know
    Wol Euler: before he went mad
    pablito Steampunk: my head is throbbing now, thanks Wol
    pablito Steampunk: aww sweet
    Wol Euler: awww indeed
    Darren Islar: going, see you all
    pablito Steampunk: bye Darren
    Wol Euler: re-bye darren, take care
    Sartre Placebo: sleep well everyone
    pablito Steampunk: take it easy
    Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye Daz
    pablito Steampunk: 4 left
    Agatha Macbeth: Feet?
    pablito Steampunk: until another one rolls over
    Wol Euler: "An interesting example of simulacra is caricature. Where an artist draws a line drawing that closely approximates the facial features of a real person, the sketch cannot be easily identified by a random observer; the sketch could just as easily be a resemblance of any person, rather than the particular subject. However, a caricaturist will exaggerate prominent facial features far beyond their actuality, and a viewer will pick up on these features and be able to identify the subject, even though the caricature bears far less actual resemblance to the subject."
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh no, that's 2
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    pablito Steampunk: ah now three
    Agatha Macbeth: Did I spell it wrong then?
    Wol Euler: afraid so, yep :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, pants
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: But you knew what i meant?
    Wol Euler: oh yes, I had to google it to know that you'd misspelled it
    Agatha Macbeth slumps
    Wol Euler: awwww
    pablito Steampunk: spell what wrong?
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not as clever as you
    Wol Euler shrugs. What does clever mean? We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
    Agatha Macbeth: Simulacra
    Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
    pablito Steampunk: ah i see
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny words often pop into my head for no reason
    pablito Steampunk: thats good, you must have a wonderful mind
    Agatha Macbeth: Like 'verisimilitude'
    Wol Euler grins. That's a good one.
    pablito Steampunk: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: And 'transubstantiation'
    pablito Steampunk: definition plz
    pablito Steampunk: tranmogrification
    Agatha Macbeth: In fact i'm not sure if half of them are actual words
    pablito Steampunk: transmogrification*
    Wol Euler: verisimilitude means "resembling something that is true"

    --BELL (1500)--

    Agatha Macbeth: Metempsychosis
    Wol Euler: not taht the thing *is* true, just that it looks that way
    pablito Steampunk: transmogrify means to change in appearance or form, esp. strangely or grotesquely; transform.
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll steer clear of that one ;-)
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    pablito Steampunk: doppelganger
    pablito Steampunk: heard of that one?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: William Wilson
    Wol Euler: don't know tzhat one.
    Agatha Macbeth: Some bloke who was haunted by himself
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember who wrote it
    Wol Euler: EA Poe
    Wol Euler: it says here.
    Agatha Macbeth: Jeez, how could I forget???
    Agatha Macbeth: Course it was
    Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of Dorian Gray for some reason, go figure
    Wol Euler: :)
    pablito Steampunk: yes, Dorian Gray is a good one
    Wol Euler: right period, and similar mood
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yeah, I love it
    Agatha Macbeth: Old Oscar wrote a lot of good stuff
    pablito Steampunk: he did
    pablito Steampunk: the importance of being earnest
    Agatha Macbeth: The selfish giant
    pablito Steampunk: yes, good one
    Agatha Macbeth: The prince and the swallow
    pablito Steampunk: i've only read the first three that were mentioned
    Agatha Macbeth wipes her eyes
    Wol Euler smiles and gives your hand a squeeze.
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: TY
    Agatha Macbeth is *very* emotional
    pablito Steampunk: do you like being sentimental?
    Agatha Macbeth shrugs
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't help it
    Agatha Macbeth: Just me
    Evgenie Vollmar: hello
    pablito Steampunk: ah welcome Evgenie
    Wol Euler: hello evgenie
    pablito Steampunk: this is a sl friend
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello
    Evgenie Vollmar: Hi everyone!
    Agatha Macbeth: Have you been here before Evgenie?
    Wol Euler: huh, three years old but a blank profile :)
    Evgenie Vollmar: hehe
    Evgenie Vollmar: im an old avi , yes
    Evgenie Vollmar: trying to restart from zero
    Wol Euler nods
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    Wol Euler: happy rebirth, then
    pablito Steampunk: a nothingness profile, nice
    Evgenie Vollmar: kinda nihilist
    Evgenie Vollmar: hehe
    Evgenie Vollmar: thank you!
    pablito Steampunk: so being sentimental is something some human or all humans cannot help doing?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I can't anyway
    Evgenie Vollmar: i guess so
    Wol Euler: I'm getting increasingly easily teary as I get older
    pablito Steampunk: why do you think that is happening?
    Wol Euler: dunno :)
    pablito Steampunk: let me hazard a guess
    pablito Steampunk: more memories being stored?
    Evgenie Vollmar: I find myself colder, though, less emotional than before
    Wol Euler: I suppose it depends where you started, and what direction you're going. I was very much closed off from my emotions when I was young
    Agatha Macbeth: I was always teary anyway ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww

    --BELL (1515)--

    Agatha Macbeth: Making up for lost time then Mr Spock?
    pablito Steampunk: yes, good example, MR SPOCK
    Agatha Macbeth: Live long and prosper
    pablito Steampunk: にゃ~ん♪♪
    pablito Steampunk: a man with no emotions
    Agatha Macbeth: A Vulcan with no emotions...
    Evgenie Vollmar: you Mean captain Spock?
    pablito Steampunk: STAR TREK yes
    Agatha Macbeth: But then he was half-human after all
    pablito Steampunk: yes, but its the idea that i'm curious about
    Agatha Macbeth: He wasn't the captain Evgenie, that was Kirk :)
    Evgenie Vollmar: I did not know he had no feelings
    pablito Steampunk: Dr Spock?
    Evgenie Vollmar: thank you!
    Agatha Macbeth: You are thinking of Benjamin Spock Pab
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    pablito Steampunk: lol who is Benjamin Spock?
    Agatha Macbeth: A glorified child minder or something
    pablito Steampunk: haha
    Wol Euler snorts
    Agatha Macbeth: 'A hell of a job, but someone has to do it'
    Evgenie Vollmar: I was heading for bed people, but it has been nice meeting you all
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice to meet you too :)
    pablito Steampunk: yes, sweet dreams Evgenie
    Evgenie Vollmar: thank you!
    Agatha Macbeth: We are all mad here as you can see
    Wol Euler: goodngiht evgenie, welcome back to SL
    Evgenie Vollmar: no, madness is where i find my balance!
    pablito Steampunk: madness and freethinking are very close methinks lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Then welcome home :)
    Evgenie Vollmar: nite nite people!
    Wol Euler: http://abmp3.com/download/2978909-baked-beans.html
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
    pablito Steampunk: whats this Wol?
    Wol Euler: an amusing little song
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    pablito Steampunk: is it mad?
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: it is.
    pablito Steampunk: staying on topic then
    Wol Euler: I'm going to have to head to bed, my dears.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, think I'll call it a night folks
    Wol Euler: shap
    pablito Steampunk: snap
    Wol Euler: *snap
    pablito Steampunk: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Shap?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: shoop
    pablito Steampunk: thanks for the chat
    Agatha Macbeth: Shoop shoop wah o wah
    pablito Steampunk: it was fun
    Wol Euler: likewise
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
    pablito Steampunk: bye for now
    Wol Euler: goodnight pablito, 'night agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya :)
    pablito Steampunk: sweet dreams

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