2010.04.27 13:00 - Architecture and a blue Archmage

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by yours truly.

Agatha Macbeth waves to the recorder

--BELL (1300)--

Darren Islar: hi agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Darren
Agatha Macbeth: How are you?
Darren Islar: a bit tired, but okay
Agatha Macbeth: Good, that's what we like to hear!
Darren Islar: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: That you're ok I mean, not that you're tired!
Darren Islar: :-)
Darren Islar: I understood
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Storm
Darren Islar: hi Storm
Storm Nordwind: Hi all
Agatha Macbeth: All two of us :)
Agatha Macbeth: What are you building over there exactly?
Storm Nordwind: It's contingency against my not having rezzed yet!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Darren Islar: a ghost!
Agatha Macbeth: Wooooooooooooo!
Storm Nordwind: Building? All built :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, great
Darren Islar: I don't know, but we have been talking about that this afternoon
Storm Nordwind: There's a lhakhang and some prayer wheel and a smoke offering burner
Agatha Macbeth: I have to ask what a lhakang is I'm afraid
Storm Nordwind: It's a Buddhist temple. Bhutanese word for it.
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Agatha Macbeth: What is a 'stupa' then?
Storm Nordwind: A stupa is a representation of Buddha's mind. Traditionally they have a certain shape
Agatha Macbeth nods
Storm Nordwind: They can be very small and occasionally so large you can get in underneath
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Storm Nordwind: Though generally people just walk around them
Agatha Macbeth: All very confusing for a Catholic I'm afraid ;-)
Darren Islar: oops
Agatha Macbeth: 'Ooops'?
Storm Nordwind: I dare say that intelligent Catholics can cope ;)
Agatha Macbeth needs to think about that...

At this point, Storm starts going away, then coming back, then going away, then coming back....(A bit like Frank Sinatra)

Darren Islar: yes, I thought you start talking to a ghost, Strom being away :-)
Agatha Macbeth: is he away?
Darren Islar: just for a moment
Agatha Macbeth is puzzled
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
Darren Islar: never mind :-)
Agatha Macbeth: I missed that
Darren Islar: right
Darren Islar: it happened again
Agatha Macbeth: Saw that one tho!
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Agatha Macbeth: How do you do that?
Darren Islar: I think those are little insults, don't you think so either?
Storm Nordwind: What that?
Agatha Macbeth: Go away and come back so quickly
Darren Islar: yes, not good
Storm Nordwind: Minimize the window momentarily
Darren Islar: Maybe we should transport him to a hospital
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Darren Islar: oops
Storm Nordwind: See, you can do it too!
Darren Islar: what am i going to do with you
Agatha Macbeth: Woohoo!
Agatha Macbeth: I learn yet another little trick...
Storm Nordwind: Not a very useful one this time though
Darren Islar: you also can do that with afk if it is activated

Ah, the long winter evenings must simply fly....

Agatha Macbeth: Are all the places for Liza's meditation thing filled yet Darren?
Darren Islar: no, not yet
Darren Islar: I've got three left
Agatha Macbeth: How are things proceeding, ok?
Darren Islar: well, this is what I thought it would be
Darren Islar: we start next week for 4 sessions
Darren Islar: see if we want to continue for another 4
Darren Islar: then you have the basis
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I see
Darren Islar: the you get the feel of it, let me put it that way
Agatha Macbeth: I understand
Darren Islar: so I can just do that before the holidays start
Storm Nordwind: What kind of meditation will be practiced?

--BELL (1315)--

Darren Islar: based on shamatha vipashana
Storm Nordwind: very good :)
Darren Islar: but I sill also do some bodywork and visualizations
Darren Islar: I think it gives you more tools about dropping and the process of it
Storm Nordwind nods
Agatha Macbeth: Will you be talking people through it, like Vector does at Cafh?
Darren Islar: so I think it can be a good add on for PaB
Darren Islar: initially yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi hi hi
Storm Nordwind: Good afternoon Sharon
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Sharon :))
Darren Islar: the first time I will talk a lot and after a while it gets less
Darren Islar: hi Sharon
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds interesting
Darren Islar: it is :-)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Darren Islar: hey Zon
SophiaSharon Larnia: noww this is you first session Aggers?? :P
Zon Quar: heya
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zon
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Darren Islar: she is doing a good job so far :-)
Agatha Macbeth nods to Sharon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: who would of thought anything else!
Darren Islar: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Well, I already have the log, which is the main thing!
Darren Islar: mmm, the chase for the log
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zon :)
Agatha Macbeth: I just hope the lines don't double up this time
Darren Islar: being in time before everybody starts to wonder who the GoC is this time
Darren Islar: double up?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, on friday night Arch's and Lucinda's lines were all duplicated
Darren Islar: oh, never had that
Agatha Macbeth: Wol says she doesn't know what causes it to happen
Darren Islar: I heard sometimes lines are missing
Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I never had any missing lines- yet
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pablito!!
Darren Islar: neither did I
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema!!
Darren Islar: Hi Pema
pablito Steampunk: hello
Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
Darren Islar: but the letters sometimes get very small
Darren Islar: and I missed a whole log once
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Pema, and Pablito
Zon Quar: Hi Pema
Zon Quar: pabito
Darren Islar: hi Pablito
Agatha Macbeth: Eek
pablito Steampunk: hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Missed a whole log?
Storm Nordwind is just going to reboot to overcome lag ttys
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Darren Islar: needed to restart it
Darren Islar: but never got the second part
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear

Wol appears, and for some strange reason sits down facing outwards....

Darren Islar: hi wol
Pema Pera: Hi Wol !!!
Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
Agatha Macbeth: Evenin' Wol :)
Wol Euler: and even more sorry to be sitting backwards
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Wol (looks at Wol's back)
Agatha Macbeth grinz
Darren Islar: :-)
pablito Steampunk: Hi Wol
Pema Pera: :)
Darren Islar: hey, Storm vanished
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see yer back Wol :)
Wol Euler: boom boom
Agatha Macbeth: He'll be back
SophiaSharon Larnia: Wol, Storm left to reboot, and may land on you when he returns ^^

Wol moves to another cushion

SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Agatha Macbeth: Oi! Come back!
Wol Euler sighs theatrically

Wol returns to her original cushion

Agatha Macbeth: (Doh)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay!
SophiaSharon Larnia: lalala
Pema Pera: (wol has the perfect kind of boots for "rebooting" !)
Agatha Macbeth groans
Wol Euler grins
SophiaSharon Larnia: right?!
Agatha Macbeth: You groan, I grin
Darren Islar: Storm is only about ....what.....90 kilo's
Wol Euler: I know somebody who wears these in RL. They are enormous.
Agatha Macbeth: Is that heavy?
Wol Euler: big enough, yes.
Agatha Macbeth: I'm not good with kilos
Agatha Macbeth: Still using stones and pounds
Wol Euler: sorry, don't let me distract you from your discussion
Zon Quar: multiply with 2, u get pounds apps.
Agatha Macbeth: Er, what was the discussion?
Darren Islar: about claiming the log :-)
Zon Quar: appx
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Agatha Macbeth: What happened then Darren, did you get it back?
Darren Islar: no, but because I knew I was going to miss a part I made a copy of the local chat
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
Darren Islar: it is a little bit more work
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, Bleu suggested that in the guardians' meeting on Sunday. I managed to miss the obvious as usual
Darren Islar: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: (A trait I inherited from my father )

--BELL (1330)--

Zon Quar: mealves quitely...
Agatha Macbeth waves quietly
Pema Pera: (mealve: leave to get a meal?)
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya QT :)
Pema Pera: hi Qt!
Qt Core: hi all
Pema Pera: wb Storm!
Storm Nordwind: Thank you :)
Agatha Macbeth: And hello again Storm
Darren Islar: wb Storm, hey QT
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Storm, Hi Qt
Wol Euler: wb storm
Agatha Macbeth: (Told you he'd be back :)

(Call him Arnie)

Agatha Macbeth: Have you ever done any of these kind of meditations in RL Darren?
Darren Islar: yes
Darren Islar: but that is a few years ago
Agatha Macbeth: How did you find them?
Agatha Macbeth: (sorry to put you on the spot)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (brb phone)
Darren Islar: oh it is very nice to be leading a meditation
Darren Islar: being a meditation for me too, but different then when I do them at home
Darren Islar: but there are differences with sl
Wol Euler: hello arch
Darren Islar: the connection is harder to make, I can't see what is happening
Agatha Macbeth: Does it feel more 'intense' when leading them, as opposed to just participating?

Archmage arrives, looking like the Incredible Hulk, only blue rather than green

Darren Islar: Hi Arch
Pema Pera: hi Arch with arches
Agatha Macbeth: (I hear Arch)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Arch
Darren Islar: no different
pablito Steampunk: hi Arch
Qt Core: hi hulkified Arch
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, interesting
Darren Islar: it is the same kind of concentration, but you're focussing on other things
Agatha Macbeth: Oh good grief Arch! :)
Agatha Macbeth: You have gone blue
Agatha Macbeth: Er...cyan
Darren Islar: a bit blue today :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Blue Tuesday
Wol Euler: is today tuesday?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Darren Islar: yes Wol :-)
Agatha Macbeth: I believe so...
Wol Euler: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought I was the only one who does that
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: (If I'm a Neko it must be Tuesday)
Pema Pera: :)
Wol Euler: I can tell Saturdays and Sundays, because the traffic sounds are different. Other than that ...
Darren Islar: i just know because I forgot to put the garbage outside
Agatha Macbeth: Oops :)
Archmage Atlantis: hello aggie
Darren Islar: and not for the first time :-)
Agatha Macbeth: How d'you mean different Wol, not so much?
Agatha Macbeth waves to Arch
Archmage Atlantis: Oh wrong form
Darren Islar likes Agatha wiggling her tail :-)
Wol Euler: different in many ways, actually. Fewer trucks, the trams run less often, fewer cars
Wol Euler: odd long pauses between cars on Sunday
Darren Islar catches the kiss
Agatha Macbeth: the weekend wind-down...
Agatha Macbeth: Are weekends as special as they used to be I wonder?
Darren Islar: If you are used to traffic constantly, the pauses can be odd
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Agatha Macbeth: Not for you Wol, cos you're always working anyway ;-)
Wol Euler: true
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Darren Islar: :-)
Darren Islar: still working hard Wol?
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: we are doing a competition during hte next two weeks, it'll be tough

--BELL (1345)--

Qt Core: i love the new marching direction of the street where i live... it almost seem sunday everyday, it is much more useful now ;-)
Qt Core: much more = a lot less
Darren Islar: it doesn't seem to end Wol
Wol Euler: also true
Darren Islar: are you coping?
Agatha Macbeth: What exactly are these competitions Wol, I always meant to ask
SophiaSharon Larnia: i was wondering the same thing :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Wol Euler: I feel vaguely uneasy about using session time to talk about this
Darren Islar: okay :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, no worries
Wol Euler: after the bell :)
Pema Pera: I'd love to hear more about it, Wol !
Agatha Macbeth: (I'll catch you later...)
pablito Steampunk: thats got me more curious (joking)
Pema Pera: me too, pab
Wol Euler: well, if nobody objects :)
Darren Islar: not me
Agatha Macbeth: I don't :)
Pema Pera: on the contrary!
pablito Steampunk: me too
Archmage Atlantis: Star has told me who
Archmage Atlantis: wol is
Wol Euler: OK. I'm an architect, we seem to have specialized in sports complexes and swimming pools
Agatha Macbeth nods
Archmage Atlantis: As she has told me who I am
Wol Euler: and are taking part in another competitoin for a rather small centre in the north, in the flatlands ;)
Archmage Atlantis: it sucks big time
Wol Euler: it seems really odd to see the height above sea level given as "9.5 metres"
Wol Euler: they will need to worry about global warming htere too
Agatha Macbeth: God, yes
Agatha Macbeth: Is that up near Holland?
Pema Pera: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Ok
Pema Pera: we'd be happy to sell them dike technology :)
Darren Islar: yes
Wol Euler: so, in Germany any building paid for with public money must be contracted out by competitions
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Darren Islar: :_) Pema
Qt Core: then you'll be ready for doing something in Venezia, with a long stay to look after the work ;-)
Wol Euler: to give smaller younger firms a chance to get started, and to ensure that the Old Boy network doesn't just keep the goodies to itself
Pema Pera: :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles @ QT
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
Agatha Macbeth: There are no Freemasons in Germany then ? :P
Wol Euler: yes, of course, that's why we have competitions :)
Darren Islar: but that meas a new job and the continuing of a lot of work
Qt Core: competition only for lower cost or for better looking ?
Darren Islar: *continuation
Wol Euler: cost plays a role, qt, particularly estimated operating costs.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Qt or how about better built
Wol Euler: there is a budget, in this case 5.5 million Euros, which is tiny.
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Wol Euler: but mostly it's about aesthetics
Wol Euler: and town planning nicenesses
Agatha Macbeth nods
Qt Core: we call it "appalto" in italy, one of the favorite food of Mafia :-)
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth hides
Darren Islar smiles
Agatha Macbeth: 'An offer you canna refuse'
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm goggled that and got sites all in italian :)
Wol Euler: we've done enough of these that they pretty well design themselves
Agatha Macbeth: Actually, that sounded Scottish! :DDD
Agatha Macbeth: You goggled it Shaz?
Wol Euler: we spent two hours deciding how to place the building on the site, and I went off to start laying out the rooms :)
Wol Euler: while bosses worked on how it would look
Qt Core: i'm quite worried for all the money that is going to spent for Expo 2015
Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
Pema Pera: what happened then, Wol ?
Wol Euler: well, we are in mid-process, of course.
Pema Pera: and no possible allowance for cost overruns, later, no matter what?
Wol Euler: IT doesn't fit, the required accomodation is larger than I can get into the envelope we thought was a good shape for the city
Wol Euler: and even so it's about 12% too expensive
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Wol Euler: so we start paring and squeezing
Pema Pera: a basement perhaps for extra space?
Wol Euler: what can be combined, what can be left out, what can be reduced
Pema Pera: and ecological friendlyness?
Wol Euler: oh no, basements are the last thing we can use there, groundwater is just below topsoil
Storm Nordwind wonders about basements below sea-level
Wol Euler: exactly, storm
Pema Pera: or attic under a roof with sods?
Darren Islar: flatlands Peman :-)
Wol Euler: we are putting as much as possible of the tech on the roof
Agatha Macbeth: (Like East Anglia)
Pema Pera: (we have basements in Holland, depends on how you build them! -- no earthquakes though)
Wol Euler: which of course is (a) ugly as hell, and (b) noisy for the neighbours, so how to deal with that ...
Storm Nordwind must slip out quietly for another meeting
Darren Islar: no but also problems with water in basements
Wol Euler: it's like jugggling two raw eggs and a running chainsaw :)

(I'd like to see that done)

Pema Pera: hahaha
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Storm, take care
Pema Pera: auch
Wol Euler: bye storm, take care
Storm Nordwind waves
Darren Islar: bye Storm
Agatha Macbeth: Snap

--BELL (1400)--

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone :)) see you later
pablito Steampunk: bye Sharon
Qt Core: i too have to go, bye all and have fun (and don't overwork yourself)
Agatha Macbeth: Does all this make German architecture better or worse in the long run, d'you think?
Wol Euler: bye qt, enjoy.
Pema Pera: bye Qt
pablito Steampunk: bye qt
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Sharon and QT
Wol Euler: hmmmm, mixed.
Wol Euler: it means that there is no chance for "signature" buildings from the public purse
Sartre Placebo: hey everyone, yaku here
Pema Pera: oh hi Yaku!
pablito Steampunk: hello Sartre
Wol Euler: the Frank Gehry type things have to be done by private enterprise, if they are wanted
Wol Euler: hello sartre, nice to see you
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Sartre
Darren Islar: hey Sartre
Darren Islar: oh, it was dreamsorkshop today
Wol Euler: but on the other hand, the winning entry is usually not ugly.
Wol Euler: It's a balance.
Darren Islar: I need to catch Fox, so I'll be off
Wol Euler: bye darren, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Darren :)
pablito Steampunk: bye Darren
Sartre Placebo: bye darren
Wol Euler: the general standard is raised by holding competitions, but you get fewer masterpieces
Pema Pera: bye Darren!
Agatha Macbeth nods
Wol Euler: because the really good architects don't take part. They don't have to.
Agatha Macbeth: IMHO, most modern buildings are monstrosities
Wol Euler: I'll grant you "too many", but not "most" :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ok
Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of the UK in particular!
Pema Pera quietly sneaking out, back to work
Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the day
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Pem
Pema Pera: c u all soon again
pablito Steampunk: bye Pema
Agatha Macbeth: I guess the question is do we want our buildings to be functional or beautiful?
Wol Euler smiles and shrugs. We could spend a month on defining each of those words
Agatha Macbeth: It all comes down to definitions eventually...
Agatha Macbeth: Chacun a son gout
Wol Euler: buildings that really do work well also tend to be good-looking, though.
Wol Euler: if you see a building and think "htat must be really functional", it is probably not working well
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: I like Tudor timber-framed houses best...
Wol Euler: there's an analogy to writing software. Good code, code that works cleanly and efficiently, also looks good on the page.
Wol Euler: I don't know why that is, but it's absulotely true
Wol Euler: well, agatha, people still build those. They are expensive as hell, because it's all hand-work
Agatha Macbeth: It's like when playing chess, pieces look better on their 'natural' squares
Wol Euler: and natural materials.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Agatha Macbeth: Wish I had one
Wol Euler: I'd love to do a proper stone-clad building with fine carving around the windows and doors
Wol Euler: but nobody is going to pay for it
Wol Euler: each of those windows costs as much as a small car.
Agatha Macbeth: I love Cathderals and Churches, I could look at them for hours...
Wol Euler: wb darren
Agatha Macbeth: wb Darren
Darren Islar: thx
Wol Euler: and libraries :)
Wol Euler: universities generally
Darren Islar: the atmosphere?
Wol Euler: yes, but specifically the architecture.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, but then I'm more interested in the books! :)
Wol Euler: [14:12] Agatha Macbeth: I love Cathderals and Churches, I could look at them for hours...
Darren Islar: old libraries
Darren Islar: sure Agatha :-)

--BELL (1415)--

Agatha Macbeth: I much prefer old buildings to modern ones
Darren Islar: (it sounds different then I meant, still struggling with the english language)
Agatha Macbeth: Don't be silly!
Agatha Macbeth: (Better than my Dutch)
Wol Euler: :)
Darren Islar: true :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Thank you :)
Wol Euler: nice hair and ears, Arch :)
Wol Euler: I hadn't noticed before
Archmage Atlantis: I speak FL American....there are many kinds of american english
Darren Islar: probably yes
Agatha Macbeth: Well, it's a big place Arch!
Archmage Atlantis: Towers of babel
Agatha Macbeth: The gGate of God
Agatha Macbeth: -g
Wol Euler: the gate of odd?
Agatha Macbeth: Naah!
pablito Steampunk: lol
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth sighs and rolls her eyes
Wol Euler: oh, as if you never make bad jokes

(Moi?)

Sartre Placebo: hehe, so you can come on friday at noon to the voice happyhour arch
Sartre Placebo: and show ur fl dialect :)
Archmage Atlantis: is the mad hatter sitting beside me?
Agatha Macbeth: No, that's the dormouse ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: kk
Agatha Macbeth: And I'm Alice :)
pablito Steampunk: Alice has blonde hair
Wol Euler: and a big knife.
Agatha Macbeth: I dyed it
Darren Islar: then I'm Alice
Sartre Placebo: who the fuck is alice ?
pablito Steampunk: she was female
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Sartre Placebo: sry, i just had that idiotic song in mind :)
Archmage Atlantis: a\\Damg how did i get tagged with the walrus
Darren Islar: oh, damn, okay :-)
pablito Steampunk: yeah, a rather punky song lol
Agatha Macbeth: I am the Walrus, coo coo ca choo
Archmage Atlantis: A rather punky book
pablito Steampunk: id say a psychedelic book
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee%27s_Alice
Wol Euler: (the illustration)
Darren Islar: (and I wanted to be Alice so bad_
pablito Steampunk: yum yum
Agatha Macbeth: Never played that, but it looked good
Darren Islar: me neither, is ot a Dutch thing actually
pablito Steampunk: Darren got a sex change then
Agatha Macbeth: The Vorpal blade
Agatha Macbeth: He DID???
Agatha Macbeth gasps
Agatha Macbeth: Whatever next?
Wol Euler: it's more common than you might think ...
Darren Islar: hmmmm ....eh .....yes
Agatha Macbeth: <cough cough>
Wol Euler: humbug?
Agatha Macbeth: Bah
Archmage Atlantis: Every 1 in SL gets a sex chaaaange
Darren Islar: but whatever gender, always wondered about girls like Alice
Agatha Macbeth: Oh everyone wonders about Alice
pablito Steampunk: shes a very curious girl
Agatha Macbeth: (Not Cooper)
Archmage Atlantis: thk god I am only gay
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Arch, makes things easier
Wol Euler: A town called Alice
Agatha Macbeth: :)
pablito Steampunk: enjoyed following whte rabbits for some reason
Agatha Macbeth: Or not...
Darren Islar: ehhh......yeah, well, that seems to become a bit more complicated with me now :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Follow the White rabbit
Agatha Macbeth thinks of Jefferson Airplane
Archmage Atlantis: too late bro, you are down the rabbit holeeeeeee
Agatha Macbeth: (And Grace Slick :)
Wol Euler: y'know I've been hearing references to that song for as long as I can remember, but I think I've never actaully listened to it

--BELL (1430)--

pablito Steampunk: omg really WOL?
Agatha Macbeth: It's probably their standard classic
Agatha Macbeth: Better than 'We built this city on rock n' roll' anyways
pablito Steampunk: lol
Wol Euler: oh god yes, but then so is eating rotten fish
Agatha Macbeth is lost for a response
Wol Euler: woo. I win.
Wol Euler marks her calendar.
Agatha Macbeth bats you over the head with a cushion
Archmage Atlantis: Not really wol
Wol Euler giggles and fidgets.
pablito Steampunk: is that a sign of affection?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh certainly!
Wol Euler: around here it is, yes.
pablito Steampunk:  aww sweet
Agatha Macbeth grins and blushes
Wol Euler: and yes, arch, you're right. I exaggerate slightly.
pablito Steampunk: so does everyone here like taking part in competitions?
Agatha Macbeth: Not me, I usually lose :(
Wol Euler: well, I'm only professionally competitive :)
pablito Steampunk: ok, do you enjoy being professionally competitive?
Wol Euler: definitely.
pablito Steampunk: can you explain why?
Wol Euler: in the context of an architectural competition, it's about as free as you can be
Agatha Macbeth: 'Cor baby, that's really free' :)

Jon Ottoway anybody?

Wol Euler: yes, there is a statement of requirements, and usually a budget, but there is as yet no user committee or angry neighbours or foolish town councillors wanting to change the colour of hte doors
pablito Steampunk: can you explain further on what you meant by that?
Wol Euler: those things all come in time, if you are lucky enough to win
Wol Euler: and while it's running, the work is great. Lots of excitement (relatively speaking :)
pablito Steampunk: so competition stimulates action
Wol Euler: and a deadline to keep you moving.
pablito Steampunk: is that what you mean by being more free?
Wol Euler: I meant it more literally than that.
Wol Euler: As soon as it's a real project wiht real bricks and money, people start telling you what to do.
Wol Euler: Some know what they're talking to, and you listen to those; but many are just Dilbert's pointy-haired boss with bricks.
Agatha Macbeth: You did say bricks? ;-)
Wol Euler: indeed I did.
Agatha Macbeth: Just checking
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: oh, damn, what's the word for that? using a part of a thing to represent the whole
pablito Steampunk: a metaphor?
Wol Euler: like saying "the White House" to represent the american government
Wol Euler: yes, but there's a specific word for this
Agatha Macbeth consults her dictionary
pablito Steampunk: hmmm
pablito Steampunk: would the world be a worst off place without out competition do you think?
Agatha Macbeth: Darwin wouldn't think so
Agatha Macbeth: (Not Mizser)
Wol Euler: that's like asking whether the world would be better off without dust. Never happen as long as humans are in it.

--BELL (1445)--

pablito Steampunk: so a silly question in your view?
Darren Islar: who is competetive here anyway?
Agatha Macbeth: Who indeed?
pablito Steampunk: yes, i was thinking the competitive spirit isn't here
Darren Islar: ?
Agatha Macbeth: Wu wei?
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche
Wol Euler: found it :)
Agatha Macbeth: Found what?
Darren Islar: the word
Wol Euler: using a part of something to represent the whole. The word I couldn't remember
pablito Steampunk: Synecdoche
Wol Euler: google and wikipedia remembered it for me:)
pablito Steampunk: the internet is good at that
Agatha Macbeth: Never even heard of it
Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of 'simulcra' for some reason
Darren Islar: new word to me too
pablito Steampunk: me too
Wol Euler: my parents were both teachers :)
pablito Steampunk: heard of simulcra though
Darren Islar: ah :-)
Agatha Macbeth: God help ya!
Agatha Macbeth: :)
pablito Steampunk: so you have been heavily brainwashed then Wol
Wol Euler: absolutely.
pablito Steampunk: lol
Darren Islar: who isn't?
Wol Euler grins and nods
pablito Steampunk: the ones who haven't got teachers for parents lol
Wol Euler: ho ho.
Wol Euler: they are just differently brainwashed, by other people
Darren Islar: I have a feeling that is not part of the definition
pablito Steampunk: yes, its not really brainwashing
Darren Islar: everyone is brainwashed, that's why we (normally) fit in
Agatha Macbeth: My brain wouldn't take much washing
Wol Euler: I <3 wikipedia. "Nietzsche addresses the concept of simulacrum (but does not use the term) in The Twilight of the Idols, suggesting that most philosophers, by ignoring the reliable input of their senses and resorting to the constructs of language and reason, arrive at a distorted copy of reality.[7] Modern French social theorist Jean Baudrillard argues that a simulacrum is not a copy of the real, but becomes truth in its own right: the hyperreal. Where Plato saw two steps of reproduction — faithful and intentionally distorted (simulacrum) — Baudrillard sees four: (1) basic reflection of reality, (2) perversion of reality; (3) pretence of reality (where there is no model); and (4) simulacrum, which “bears no relation to any reality whatsoever.” Baudrillard uses the concept of god as an example of simulacrum."
Darren Islar: eh.......right Wol :-)
Agatha Macbeth: That's Nietzsche for you
Wol Euler: he was a clever old bugger.
Darren Islar: I know
Wol Euler: before he went mad
pablito Steampunk: my head is throbbing now, thanks Wol
pablito Steampunk: aww sweet
Wol Euler: awww indeed
Darren Islar: going, see you all
pablito Steampunk: bye Darren
Wol Euler: re-bye darren, take care
Sartre Placebo: sleep well everyone
pablito Steampunk: take it easy
Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye Daz
pablito Steampunk: 4 left
Agatha Macbeth: Feet?
pablito Steampunk: until another one rolls over
Wol Euler: "An interesting example of simulacra is caricature. Where an artist draws a line drawing that closely approximates the facial features of a real person, the sketch cannot be easily identified by a random observer; the sketch could just as easily be a resemblance of any person, rather than the particular subject. However, a caricaturist will exaggerate prominent facial features far beyond their actuality, and a viewer will pick up on these features and be able to identify the subject, even though the caricature bears far less actual resemblance to the subject."
Agatha Macbeth: Oh no, that's 2
pablito Steampunk: lol
pablito Steampunk: ah now three
Agatha Macbeth: Did I spell it wrong then?
Wol Euler: afraid so, yep :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, pants
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: But you knew what i meant?
Wol Euler: oh yes, I had to google it to know that you'd misspelled it
Agatha Macbeth slumps
Wol Euler: awwww
pablito Steampunk: spell what wrong?
Agatha Macbeth: I'm not as clever as you
Wol Euler shrugs. What does clever mean? We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Agatha Macbeth: Simulacra
Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
pablito Steampunk: ah i see
Agatha Macbeth: Funny words often pop into my head for no reason
pablito Steampunk: thats good, you must have a wonderful mind
Agatha Macbeth: Like 'verisimilitude'
Wol Euler grins. That's a good one.
pablito Steampunk: yes
Agatha Macbeth: And 'transubstantiation'
pablito Steampunk: definition plz
pablito Steampunk: tranmogrification
Agatha Macbeth: In fact i'm not sure if half of them are actual words
pablito Steampunk: transmogrification*
Wol Euler: verisimilitude means "resembling something that is true"

--BELL (1500)--

Agatha Macbeth: Metempsychosis
Wol Euler: not taht the thing *is* true, just that it looks that way
pablito Steampunk: transmogrify means to change in appearance or form, esp. strangely or grotesquely; transform.
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Agatha Macbeth: I'll steer clear of that one ;-)
pablito Steampunk: lol
pablito Steampunk: doppelganger
pablito Steampunk: heard of that one?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: William Wilson
Wol Euler: don't know tzhat one.
Agatha Macbeth: Some bloke who was haunted by himself
Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember who wrote it
Wol Euler: EA Poe
Wol Euler: it says here.
Agatha Macbeth: Jeez, how could I forget???
Agatha Macbeth: Course it was
Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of Dorian Gray for some reason, go figure
Wol Euler: :)
pablito Steampunk: yes, Dorian Gray is a good one
Wol Euler: right period, and similar mood
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yeah, I love it
Agatha Macbeth: Old Oscar wrote a lot of good stuff
pablito Steampunk: he did
pablito Steampunk: the importance of being earnest
Agatha Macbeth: The selfish giant
pablito Steampunk: yes, good one
Agatha Macbeth: The prince and the swallow
pablito Steampunk: i've only read the first three that were mentioned
Agatha Macbeth wipes her eyes
Wol Euler smiles and gives your hand a squeeze.
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: TY
Agatha Macbeth is *very* emotional
pablito Steampunk: do you like being sentimental?
Agatha Macbeth shrugs
Agatha Macbeth: Can't help it
Agatha Macbeth: Just me
Evgenie Vollmar: hello
pablito Steampunk: ah welcome Evgenie
Wol Euler: hello evgenie
pablito Steampunk: this is a sl friend
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
Evgenie Vollmar: Hi everyone!
Agatha Macbeth: Have you been here before Evgenie?
Wol Euler: huh, three years old but a blank profile :)
Evgenie Vollmar: hehe
Evgenie Vollmar: im an old avi , yes
Evgenie Vollmar: trying to restart from zero
Wol Euler nods
pablito Steampunk: lol
Wol Euler: happy rebirth, then
pablito Steampunk: a nothingness profile, nice
Evgenie Vollmar: kinda nihilist
Evgenie Vollmar: hehe
Evgenie Vollmar: thank you!
pablito Steampunk: so being sentimental is something some human or all humans cannot help doing?
Agatha Macbeth: Well I can't anyway
Evgenie Vollmar: i guess so
Wol Euler: I'm getting increasingly easily teary as I get older
pablito Steampunk: why do you think that is happening?
Wol Euler: dunno :)
pablito Steampunk: let me hazard a guess
pablito Steampunk: more memories being stored?
Evgenie Vollmar: I find myself colder, though, less emotional than before
Wol Euler: I suppose it depends where you started, and what direction you're going. I was very much closed off from my emotions when I was young
Agatha Macbeth: I was always teary anyway ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww

--BELL (1515)--

Agatha Macbeth: Making up for lost time then Mr Spock?
pablito Steampunk: yes, good example, MR SPOCK
Agatha Macbeth: Live long and prosper
pablito Steampunk: にゃ～ん♪♪
pablito Steampunk: a man with no emotions
Agatha Macbeth: A Vulcan with no emotions...
Evgenie Vollmar: you Mean captain Spock?
pablito Steampunk: STAR TREK yes
Agatha Macbeth: But then he was half-human after all
pablito Steampunk: yes, but its the idea that i'm curious about
Agatha Macbeth: He wasn't the captain Evgenie, that was Kirk :)
Evgenie Vollmar: I did not know he had no feelings
pablito Steampunk: Dr Spock?
Evgenie Vollmar: thank you!
Agatha Macbeth: You are thinking of Benjamin Spock Pab
Agatha Macbeth: :)
pablito Steampunk: lol who is Benjamin Spock?
Agatha Macbeth: A glorified child minder or something
pablito Steampunk: haha
Wol Euler snorts
Agatha Macbeth: 'A hell of a job, but someone has to do it'
Evgenie Vollmar: I was heading for bed people, but it has been nice meeting you all
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to meet you too :)
pablito Steampunk: yes, sweet dreams Evgenie
Evgenie Vollmar: thank you!
Agatha Macbeth: We are all mad here as you can see
Wol Euler: goodngiht evgenie, welcome back to SL
Evgenie Vollmar: no, madness is where i find my balance!
pablito Steampunk: madness and freethinking are very close methinks lol
Agatha Macbeth: Then welcome home :)
Evgenie Vollmar: nite nite people!
Wol Euler: http://abmp3.com/download/2978909-baked-beans.html
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
pablito Steampunk: whats this Wol?
Wol Euler: an amusing little song
pablito Steampunk: lol
pablito Steampunk: is it mad?
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: it is.
pablito Steampunk: staying on topic then
Wol Euler: I'm going to have to head to bed, my dears.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, think I'll call it a night folks
Wol Euler: shap
pablito Steampunk: snap
Wol Euler: *snap
pablito Steampunk: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Shap?
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: shoop
pablito Steampunk: thanks for the chat
Agatha Macbeth: Shoop shoop wah o wah
pablito Steampunk: it was fun
Wol Euler: likewise
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
pablito Steampunk: bye for now
Wol Euler: goodnight pablito, 'night agatha
Agatha Macbeth: C ya :)
pablito Steampunk: sweet dreams