2011.08.02 13:00 - Imagine THAT

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.  This was a l-o-n-g session packed with diverse topics, good humor, stories, insights, birth memories, "super-natural" imaginings, and (after I'd gone) lesbian rappers and a solo onigokko.

FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hey Fc -- Hey, Zon!
FcSeeker Resident: Hey Zon
Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you again . . .
FcSeeker Resident: rehi san
Santoshima Resident: rehi seeker of fc
Bruce Mowbray: If I'm not mistaken, there is a Dream Circle happening at this same hour in the Kira Cafe.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Santo -- good to see you again.
Santoshima Resident: hello bruce and good to see you, too!
Santoshima Resident: hello blue fish
Bruce Mowbray: blub waves a fin at Santo and Fc.
Bruce Mowbray: Blub
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Zon.
Santoshima Resident: Namaste Zon
Zon Kwan: hi gyus
Santoshima Resident: and gnus
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: It's good to be able to laugh here - - I've spent this whole day working on fraud reports for an identity theft.
FcSeeker Resident: <3
Santoshima Resident: sounds like intense work, glad you can rest for a while
Zon Kwan: why whole day
Bruce Mowbray: me too, thanks.
Bruce Mowbray:  and the really good news is that I'm not going to be held responsible for the $986 charged to the fraudulent credit card in my name (that I didn't even know existed).
FcSeeker Resident: ohhhh
Bruce Mowbray:@ Zon -  I had to run to the police station (25 miles away) then fill out three different forms -- for the credit card's bank, for Experian, and for the police.
Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
Bruce Mowbray: but it's all done now.
Santoshima Resident: good
FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
Bruce Mowbray: So LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH. . . All's well that ends well!
Bruce Mowbray: How was YOUR day?
FcSeeker Resident: lol; normal
FcSeeker Resident: busy whiles and resting whiles
Bruce Mowbray: It's good to have those "resting whiles," Fc.
FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
Zon Kwan: i have been thinking over an idea i heard
Bruce Mowbray: please say more, Zon.
FcSeeker Resident: Hi Korel

Learning to want whatever happens

Zon Kwan: learn always to want what happens to you
Korel Laloix: Heya
Santoshima Resident: hey Korel
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Korel. Zon was just about to tell us about an idea he heard of recently.
Zon Kwan: i already told..lol
Bruce Mowbray: "to want what happens to you..."
Zon Kwan: yes
Bruce Mowbray: learn to want that. . .
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: not to resist
FcSeeker Resident: that's one philosophy
Zon Kwan: but want it
Bruce Mowbray: Sort of like, Love it the way it is.
Korel Laloix: Heya
Zon Kwan: it's a bit harder
Zon Kwan: if you try it
Zon Kwan: in practice
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wol
Santoshima Resident: hello Wol
Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you again, Wol!
Wol Euler: hello everyone
Wol Euler smiles warmly at Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Zon has just raised an interesting idea: That we might learn to want whatever happens to us. . . not resist it.
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: How do you feel about that, Zon?
FcSeeker Resident: to be angry when something bad happens only makes things worse but commonly it's not any easy to handle sad things
Santoshima Resident: is 'wanting' the same as' not resisting'?
Wol Euler: not to me ...
FcSeeker Resident: that's I'm thinking also atm...
Bruce Mowbray: so, what we're talking about is curbing our emotional reactiveness? -- Or . . . something like that?
Santoshima Resident: nor to me
Korel Laloix: I don't like the idea..... just say we accept injustice.
Zon Kwan: sry, gtg
Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
FcSeeker Resident: the normal way of human is to get to such situation that can meet own fears and make own wishes to come true
Wol Euler: awwww
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Zon.
Wol Euler: bye zon

--BELL--

Control and stuckness

FcSeeker Resident: yet I have a very strong belief and understanding that nobody can control events even in own life , not to mention in other people's life...therefore I think and believe that all phenomena are not such that are wanted
Korel Laloix: You can not control, but you can effect.
Bruce Mowbray thinks that "control" is a tough nut.
FcSeeker Resident: but like I today advised a friend to look around with open mind and heart because he was stopped to the certain place unexpectedly and sad way
FcSeeker Resident: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Do you mean that your friend was "stuck," Fc?
Korel Laloix: Dwelling on the things in the past that you can't change is something to be rationed.... not sure the right word.
FcSeeker Resident: and that's the other think that I think that if everybody would just put themselves to want all hurtfull things also, then nobody would work for better to be/come...
FcSeeker Resident: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Your advice to your friends seems both wise and practical.
FcSeeker Resident: well...as usual when I'm on my way to somewhere and my way is cut unexpectedly, I've found the reason to that in the place in which I've put to been stuck
Bruce Mowbray: One of my best friends in RL is a prisoner who is currently serving FIVE life sentences. . . and he has helped me enormously when it comes to letting go of the past -- stuff that I cannot change.

Bruce Mowbray: The "stuck" place for me with Zon's original idea is the "wanting" part -- wanting things to be just as they are.
FcSeeker Resident: sure the cigar is sometimes only a cigar :)))
Wol Euler: heheh
Bruce Mowbray: (although some folks make metaphors out of EVERYthing. . . !)
Bruce Mowbray: he he he.
FcSeeker Resident: I don't feel well with that idea

FcSeeker Resident: yea...
FcSeeker Resident: occurs the story of the devil and his disciple...
FcSeeker Resident: to my mind...
 Bruce Mowbray: What is that story, Fc?
 FcSeeker Resident: o.k.
Bruce Mowbray: I don't remember that one.

Fc's first story: "A Piece of the Truth"

FcSeeker Resident: there was the devil walking with his disciple and they saw a monk walking looking down
FcSeeker Resident: soon they saw him to find a piece of the truth
FcSeeker Resident: and devil smiles
FcSeeker Resident: his disciple asked; "How come you smile ? The monk just found a piece of the Truth ! "
milakel Resident: woly! :)
milakel Resident: hi :)
FcSeeker Resident: Devil answered;
Wol Euler waves
Santoshima Resident: and Mila!
FcSeeker Resident: Hi mila
milakel Resident: ah, panda is back - nice to see you, fc :)
FcSeeker Resident: "When ever people find a piece of the truth they use it to make a religion of it"
milakel Resident: *looks at woly's necklace*
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent story, Fc.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Mila!
Bruce Mowbray: I wonder if there is ANYTHING that folks have NOT tried to make a religion out of . . .
milakel Resident: ah, missed the story, but the ending is interesting :)
Bruce Mowbray ponders the Great Cigar God.
milakel Resident: haha
milakel Resident: fair enough, bruce
Bruce Mowbray: I will copy/paste and send you Fc's whole story, Mila.
milakel Resident: thank you!
Bruce Mowbray: (in IM)
Korel Laloix: Lone Star Bear is unworthy of religion... as well as anything made by Hersheys.
Korel Laloix: Beet
Korel Laloix: Beer
Korel Laloix: Ignore my typing today please.
milakel Resident: here, i know the ending, but will read from the beginning :)
Wol Euler: what's up, korel?
Bruce Mowbray: You've got it now, mila.
Korel Laloix: SL is so lagged I can't see what I am typing.
Wol Euler: ah
Bruce Mowbray remembers Lone Star Beer from his years in Texas (agrees it's not worthy of worship).
milakel Resident: ah, devil's words :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
milakel Resident: re: fc's story
Bruce Mowbray: What did you think of that story, mila?
FcSeeker Resident: ah; not mine; just remembered it

--BELL--

Santoshima Resident: heading to the cadaver lab for the afternoon
Wol Euler: hello eliza!
Santoshima Resident: good day to you all, thanks for the conversation
Korel Laloix: ciao
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol, Everyone :)) Sorry to miss you Santoshima
Eliza Madrigal: (nice to meet you)
Wol Euler: bye santo, remember to wash your hands
Santoshima Resident: bye
Bruce Mowbray: Good luck with the cadavers, Santo!
Eliza Madrigal: eeek...hm...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Pretty top, Wol
Eliza Madrigal: and Blub! Nice to see you again... hehe
Wol Euler smiles. "Thank you!"
Bruce Mowbray: GOOD to see you too, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Bruce Mowbray: Blub waves an admiring fin at Eliza.
milakel Resident: eliza! :)
Eliza Madrigal: ! :)
FcSeeker Resident: eliza
milakel Resident: bruce, i think same words could have been said by buddha :) also with a smile perhaps :)
Eliza Madrigal waves her fins
Bruce Mowbray: Are you referring to the story about the monk and the devil, Mila?
milakel Resident: *strokes eliza's long hair*
milakel Resident: yes, bruce

Smiling Buddhas - Muscular Jesus[es]

FcSeeker Resident: do you think that buddha would smile about religions made in his name and all those statues and such even he taught the opposite ?
Eliza Madrigal wonders about the dagger attached to MIla's arm
FcSeeker Resident: of the piece of the truth...
milakel Resident: fc, a lot of buddha statues seem smiling :)
FcSeeker Resident: they all are made by other people; not by buddha
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
milakel Resident: eliza, no threat to you. don't worry :)
FcSeeker Resident: buddha specially asked that 'do not make any statues of me'
milakel Resident: ha, true, fc
milakel Resident: i think Jesus said something like it...
FcSeeker Resident: so you still think he'd smile ?
milakel Resident: didn't work
Bruce Mowbray: ( I suspect that some similar request was made by Jesus. . . but look at what happened.)
milakel Resident: fc, no idea :)
FcSeeker Resident: no idea of what you think ?
milakel Resident: but as a general attitude, i like imagining buddha smiling :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure buddha said that not for himself... but so as not to put a distraction in front of someone... so maybe he'd smile about it all
Bruce Mowbray: I have three four-faced statues of the buddha -- and on each face there is a different emotional expression.
Bruce Mowbray: all the way from Sorrow to Laughing.
Korel Laloix: Just a thought, but I just realized I have no crucifixes in the house.... on jewelry.
FcSeeker Resident: it's also said that 'when buddha cries, miracles happenes'...so might he also cried
Korel Laloix: Never thought of it.
milakel Resident: he's got emotions :)
Bruce Mowbray: I turn my buddha statues around sometimes - to match my own emotional "state" at the time.
FcSeeker Resident: buddha was a person; a man
Bruce Mowbray: as was Jesus.
FcSeeker Resident: cannot think but that he also had emotions of human as well Jesus
Bruce Mowbray: (Wonders whether Fc imagines deities in the form of pandas.)
milakel Resident: i think both buddha and Jesus are collective images developed through time
Bruce Mowbray: for sure, mila.... no digital cameras around in those days.
milakel Resident: whoever real people they were are all forgotten
Bruce Mowbray: (nor Photo Shop).
milakel Resident: sadly, no :)
Bruce Mowbray: Blessings come in disguise. . .
milakel Resident: geez, imagine historians in 100 years - massive data to dig through! :)
Eliza Madrigal: I once saw a sketched picture of Jesus wherein he looked very muscular/rugged (like a lumberjack or something) and was laughing...
FcSeeker Resident: thinks that all gods are made by humans...
milakel Resident: perhaps in a 100 years we'll be able to get a live video feed from any place on earth
milakel Resident: fc, ditto
Eliza Madrigal: :) FcS
Bruce Mowbray wonders where "gods" come from -- what parts of ourselves "need" to have them.

--BELL--

Imaginary Friends

FcSeeker Resident: who teaches of gods had need to 'have' them to be ...and the fearful mind of human has that need imo...
FcSeeker Resident: has to believe that such is/are
Bruce Mowbray: some need for "control," possibly... or for the illusion of controlling.
milakel Resident: i think where i knowledge ends, god's realm begins
Eliza Madrigal: I have need of gods and dreams and other people, including imaginary friends
milakel Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: some would say "Where reason ends...." - - -
FcSeeker Resident: having bad chat lag again
Korel Laloix: I think that is a very cynical view of the subject.
milakel Resident: eliza, why do you need gods?
Wol Euler smiles @ eliza
Bruce Mowbray: I do too, Eliza, but neither of us impose our imaginings on other people -- with the threats of hell or death if they don't believe in the same imaginings that we do.
milakel Resident: korel, how so?
Eliza Madrigal: they show me worlds I can't imagine
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bruce, yes tis' the spirit
milakel Resident: eliza, how?
Eliza Madrigal: there is a huge difference between an inspiring image and a hammer to crush people with
Korel Laloix: For me, I came to looking at religion seriously when I was late teens.
milakel Resident: eliza :) agreed
Wol Euler: yep
Bruce Mowbray: It sounds like Eliza can imagine beings whose imaginations are superior to her own...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: What a wonderful thing!
FcSeeker Resident: I happen to know much people who's imaginations are superior to my own :)
milakel Resident: for me, "worlds i can't imagine" come from other people, not gods
Korel Laloix: And what started me looking was how varied religious thought was, and how regimented atheistic thought was... I am so outside of my vocab comfort zone.
Eliza Madrigal: Korel, yes I relate to that somewhat
Bruce Mowbray: You're doing FINE, Korel . . .
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
Korel Laloix: So, looking at religion as something you do when you can't think any more is not accurate.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, nods
FcSeeker Resident: imo most of the religions are just trying to tell about something which is more than this planet and all within it, and about love
Eliza Madrigal: yes each of us individually has discovered things well.. individually.... uniquely.... room for many approaches, including no approach :)
FcSeeker Resident: and those tries are humans tries
milakel Resident: korel, isn't it how it started with pagans?
Bruce Mowbray: an infinity of approaches. . .
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: Not sure what 'pagan' actually means.
milakel Resident: god of trees, of rain, of sun...
Bruce Mowbray: Dharma gates are INFINITE -- as the Bodhisattvas say.
Wol Euler suspects that "pagan" means "that disturbs me"
Bruce Mowbray: a single blade of grass is enough.
milakel Resident: phenomena unknown to people at the time
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bruce Mowbray wonders why his avi is typing when his typist is not typing.
milakel Resident: happens to me too :)
Wol Euler: "lag"
Korel Laloix: There is a tendency to think that religions started because someone saw something natural that they could not explain.
Bruce Mowbray: curiouser and curiouser.
Eliza Madrigal: maybe avi has something to say that hasn't reached typist yet
Wol Euler: !
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

Super-natural ?

Korel Laloix: Maybe their religious thought started because they actually saw something that is supernatural.
FcSeeker Resident: or experienced
Bruce Mowbray: is ANYTHING super-natural?
Bruce Mowbray: If they saw it in nature, then it was natural.
FcSeeker Resident: what can be supernatural ?
milakel Resident: korel, yes, they did. they couldn't explain it, hence - gods :)
milakel Resident: lightning, for instance
milakel Resident: or rainbow
Korel Laloix: Maybe what they saw were actually gods/spirits/demons/etc
FcSeeker Resident: ...I was to tell one story just before there came the announcement that the region shall be closed...
milakel Resident: mirage
Bruce Mowbray: So -- the point of Fc's story -- that we tend to make religions out of truths that we only partly understand.
Bruce Mowbray: go ahead please, Fc.

Fc's Second Story

FcSeeker Resident: this man lived on such area where people had moved much elsewhere; just left their houses and went away, never returning
FcSeeker Resident: one day then he had suddenly 'found' himself far from home
FcSeeker Resident: tens of miles
FcSeeker Resident: in the middle of woods

--BELL--

FcSeeker Resident: inside the special light circle
FcSeeker Resident: which he also felt to be so strong that he thought it to be the sign from God
FcSeeker Resident: he had dropped onto his knees and folded his hands the Christian way
FcSeeker Resident: and promised to God that he shall make changes that the area shall not get empty
FcSeeker Resident: because he felt that he got such missions
FcSeeker Resident: by quite short time he created such vacation area and much for that and people stopped moving away
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha! :D
Wol Euler waves to Aggers
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Aggers
Korel Laloix: hau
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers!
FcSeeker Resident: but that story tells why he did so, which story he didn't tell even to his wife for tens of years
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you back Liz :)
FcSeeker Resident: later on this man knew that it was not god who 'spoke' to him
FcSeeker Resident: but that's another story
Wol Euler: how did he know?
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much Agatha :)) Nice to be back!
Wol Euler: wb mila
milakel Resident: meh, the sign of god for me :)
milakel Resident: ty
FcSeeker Resident: for much more realistic experiences from those friends who gave him the experience of that story
Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you Fc.
milakel Resident: so, did he bring the "god's message" to the people, fc?
FcSeeker Resident: no; he told it to me with his wife and two other friends as present
Wol Euler: so god cannot act in "realistic" ways? odd!
milakel Resident: eh, i thought it was the story of Jesus for a moment
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
FcSeeker Resident: we was talking here about how people come to us and tell sometimes even their life story and such stories they have never told to anybody else
milakel Resident: well, guess it's safe to say that we're all gods then
FcSeeker Resident: with that I agree
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: People seem to have a psychological need for "signs" of the miraculous -- the super-natural.
milakel Resident: little buddhas :)
Bruce Mowbray: As for myself, the natural is wondrous enough.
Bruce Mowbray: I could easily be a Pantheist and [rpbably AM, when it comes right down to it.
FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
Korel Laloix: I don't think it is a need... it is an openness to it.
milakel Resident: bruce, isn't it related to paganism?
Bruce Mowbray: an openness to the super-natural?
Korel Laloix: Yes.
Bruce Mowbray: Paganism sounds good to me, too.
FcSeeker Resident: I believe in miracles...when ever there's some such good thing that needs several people to work as fearless that this good can come true; that is always a miracle to me
milakel Resident: storm is an expert on that. we can ask him later :)
FcSeeker Resident: all else I take to be just natural
Bruce Mowbray: To me, mere existence is a miracle - - - although I recognize that as a product of my own "focal settings."
milakel Resident: agree on that, bruce
Korel Laloix: focal settings?
FcSeeker Resident: (and love the idea of rain god and forest god and............)
milakel Resident: i know how my body popped to this world, but how *i* did - no answer to that
Eliza Madrigal: well we think we know, because there are lots of stories to back up our impressions
Eliza Madrigal: :)
FcSeeker Resident: I know people who remember their birth
Bruce Mowbray: "Focal settings" is an expression used in Time, Space, Knowledge (by Tarthang Talku -- to indicate the particular "view" one has of the world from within a given time/space predicament, emotional "state," etc.
milakel Resident: fc, it's impossible
Eliza Madrigal: just like we think we know what our face looks like because we have mirrors
milakel Resident: we're underdeveloped when we're born
FcSeeker Resident: I disagree because I have no reason to say those people to be liars
Bruce Mowbray agrees that the "I-Process' is one sort of mystery
milakel Resident: no liars, they probably genuinely believe in that
Agatha Macbeth: Is I-Process made by Apple? :p
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: heheheh
milakel Resident: these are imposed memories from childhood and dreams, etc
Wol Euler: there's an app for that!
Bruce Mowbray: Requires an upgrade to the I-Pod and the I-Pad, I suspect.
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: I guess
FcSeeker Resident: that is your belief Mila
Eliza Madrigal: leading to the no-I **********Applause!!**********
milakel Resident: fc, newborns can't even see :)
Eliza Madrigal: **********Applause!!**********
Eliza Madrigal: hahah... *app
Eliza Madrigal: (didn't know that would happen obviously)
milakel Resident: eh, i missed the whole i-thing :)
Wol Euler wonders at Mila's strength of attachment to this idea
FcSeeker Resident: too many completely healthy and wise and enlightened people have told me their birth story
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhhhh --- an app for the dissolution of the self -- But would anyone download that?
Korel Laloix: Research suggests that the earliest memories can be remembered of seriously bad things happen around the age of two.

--BELL--

FcSeeker Resident: I remember good things from my very early childhood of this life; when I was two weeks old on my mom's lap...
Bruce Mowbray: I have heard that in some people asthma can be traced to difficulties passing through the birth canal . . . when the infant wanted to breathe but could not yet do so.
Bruce Mowbray: Go on, Korel, please.
milakel Resident: 2 weeks :)
FcSeeker Resident: yes
Bruce Mowbray: or Fc.... sry.
Korel Laloix: Just something from my dev psych classes.
FcSeeker Resident: why sry Bruce ?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: There will always be outliers though.
milakel Resident: do you know why humans pop in 9 months?
Bruce Mowbray: no. why?
milakel Resident: cause if we stay any longer, we just won't get out - our head is too big
Bruce Mowbray: wow.
Bruce Mowbray: ouch.
Eliza Madrigal: hahahha
milakel Resident: but to completely develop we need more than 9 months
Bruce Mowbray: like marsupials?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, need lots of snuggle time after
Agatha Macbeth: We are all big heads at heart
Bruce Mowbray: (and some are big heads long afterwards.)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :p
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: when my kids were born, their being 'next' to me felt like a million miles away
FcSeeker Resident: would you like to hear more of my that memory ?
Bruce Mowbray: Folks, this has been great -- but now time for dinner -- and imagining it just won't get it there...
milakel Resident: sure, fc
Bruce Mowbray: So must say goodbye for now.
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce :) Best to Bear
Agatha Macbeth: Bon apetit Brucie
Wol Euler: bon appetit, bruce
FcSeeker Resident: enjoy your time Bruce
Wol Euler: yes, hello to bear from us
Bruce Mowbray: TY, all!
Wol Euler smiles
FcSeeker Resident: I remember how much my mom loved me, but also how she was sad
Eliza Madrigal: :)
FcSeeker Resident: that's because she thought that she cannot give to this child all it would need...
FcSeeker Resident: when I remembered that, I immediately called to my mom with tears in my eyes and told her how she had given me all I needed her to give
FcSeeker Resident: and my wish was and is
Eliza Madrigal: lovely, FcS :)
Agatha Macbeth: Awwww
milakel Resident: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
FcSeeker Resident: that each human being could remember one's own experience of their mom's love
milakel Resident: wait, it was at 2 weeks old?
FcSeeker Resident: because that was so miraculous experience to me to remember
FcSeeker Resident: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Pandas develop quicker :)
milakel Resident: amazing :)
FcSeeker Resident: and imo each person would earn such greatness
FcSeeker Resident: takes a humble bow
FcSeeker Resident: Namaste
Eliza Madrigal waves FcS
Agatha Macbeth: Sleep well dear panda :)
Wol Euler: awwwww, missed him.
Wol Euler: bye fc, take care
Agatha Macbeth: I was quite enjoying watching Blub swim in front of my camera...
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Blub is hypnotizing in a way
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Agatha Macbeth: A hypnotic fish
milakel Resident: woly, how much is the flight from you to Halifax?
Wol Euler: hmm, not sure, I think it was around 1000euros
milakel Resident: ack
Agatha Macbeth: What's that in Lindens?
Eliza Madrigal: ack
Wol Euler: lotsa
milakel Resident: aga :)
Eliza Madrigal: =P~ Agatha
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: about 383,000 L$
milakel Resident: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
milakel Resident: imagine how many stuff you could buy!!!
Agatha Macbeth: Worth a few Avid outfits then
Wol Euler grins and nods
milakel Resident: it's sad that it costs so much to fly over the Atlantic in 2011
Wol Euler shrugs
Agatha Macbeth: You could swim
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: kerosene isn't free
Wol Euler: and Canada is a long way away
Wol Euler: and relatively few people want to go there

--BELL--

milakel Resident: either way. it should be cheaper.
Wol Euler smiles at Mila's *definiteness* tonight
milakel Resident: only tonight? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: particularly tonight
milakel Resident: ah
Eliza Madrigal: (eek, realizing I left water boiling for ravioli)
milakel Resident: ouch!
Wol Euler: O.O
milakel Resident: happened to me too today :)
Agatha Macbeth: Run to the kitchen Liz
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now! :))
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs all around
Agatha Macbeth: Shalom
Wol Euler: bye!
Wol Euler: welcome home
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
milakel Resident: except spaghetti was already boiling
milakel Resident: or were?
Agatha Macbeth: What's the singular then - spaghetto?
milakel Resident: hehe
milakel Resident: sounds about right
Agatha Macbeth: Well if spaghetti is plural it must be
Wol Euler nods.
milakel Resident: merci :)
Agatha Macbeth: Grazi
milakel Resident: aga figured it out
milakel Resident: the spaghettino puzzle
Agatha Macbeth: Mama mia
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: eat. pray. love.
Agatha Macbeth: In that order?
milakel Resident: um
milakel Resident: i'd skip the pray part
Agatha Macbeth: Easy pray
milakel Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth:
Korel Laloix: Probably love, pray eat.
Agatha Macbeth: But all at the same time?
milakel Resident: love, eat for me please
Agatha Macbeth: Well, Frank Sinatra could drink smoke and sing at the same time so why not?
milakel Resident: didn't know that :)
Agatha Macbeth: Allegedly
Agatha Macbeth: On stage too
milakel Resident: well, yes, quite feasible
Agatha Macbeth: Our frankie could do anything
milakel Resident: chuck norris would kick his ass though
Agatha Macbeth: He would?
Wol Euler chuckles.
Korel Laloix: I know the name, but don't think I have ever seen anything of his.
Agatha Macbeth: I read that as 'kiss'
Wol Euler laughs.
Wol Euler: wonderful
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: you naughty girl!
Korel Laloix: Someone sent me this Chuck Norris vid yesterday..... enjoy
Korel Laloix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2Zf9tlg2Y
Agatha Macbeth: Well, knowing some of the friends Frank had, maybe it would be wiser
milakel Resident: so, let's see... you read "ki" but already see "ass" down there :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just me I guess
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: cute
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, such is life
milakel Resident: oh my, 17 mil views
Agatha Macbeth looks
Korel Laloix: oh my.... true
milakel Resident: which means from an exclusive cool video it turned into a tasteless mass product :)
Wol Euler snorts.
Korel Laloix: Luckily, I am at work so I have no sound, so I can't really watch it with the full effect...
milakel Resident: which on top of that isn't loading for me
milakel Resident: yes, lucky, i guess :)

White Rappers

Agatha Macbeth: What is it about white rappers that makes them so irritating?
milakel Resident: woly, you don't agree?
milakel Resident: in order to be "elitist" it has to be limited
Wol Euler: sorry, agree with what?
Wol Euler: oh, about popularity making something bad. No, I don't agree
Korel Laloix: Goddess and She are not irritating.... they just suck....
Korel Laloix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK-KmKLeBDg
milakel Resident: heh, not making it "bad", but less "exclusive"

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: But they are the best lesbian rap act I think.
milakel Resident: nsfw?
Agatha Macbeth: Could be, I don't know them
Wol Euler grins.
milakel Resident: nah, sfw :/
milakel Resident: butch lady :)
Agatha Macbeth: Thank you
milakel Resident: haha
milakel Resident: you! naughty :P
Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
Agatha Macbeth wonders if Bruce will leave all this in

Note:  Bruce has no idea what Aggers, Korel, and milakel are talking about . . .  so he wouldn't know what to delete!

Wol Euler: heheh
Korel Laloix: lol
Korel Laloix: MNM has some pretty good stuff though.
Agatha Macbeth: I remember the NME
Wol Euler: is it still around?
Agatha Macbeth: Think so, yes
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno if the Lone groover's still in it tho
milakel Resident: are they a couple, korel?
milakel Resident: nme, aga?
Agatha Macbeth: New Musical Express
Korel Laloix: No idea... not my kind of music, so I don't follow them.
Korel Laloix: They don't look a couple though.
Agatha Macbeth: Quite old now actually...
Korel Laloix: But you don't know on camera I bet.
milakel Resident: korel, i'd like to think of them as a couple
milakel Resident: they look good together
Agatha Macbeth: Who?
milakel Resident: god-des
milakel Resident: and she
Korel Laloix: Goddess and She
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Des is god
milakel Resident: who's the butch? god-des?
Korel Laloix: My guess is yes.... smiles
Korel Laloix: I used to do that look a bit.
milakel Resident: :)
Korel Laloix: But never that short hair.... short pixie at shortest.
milakel Resident: eh, i'm too skinny for "she"
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: Some more stereotypical lesbian music.
Agatha Macbeth: You could arm wrestle
Korel Laloix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8KAU9vWGgc
milakel Resident: oh, nme's vids are all b/w
Korel Laloix: It used to be KD Lang, now TandS.
milakel Resident: when are you korel? :)
milakel Resident: eh, those men wrapped in white are freaky
Korel Laloix: Near Tulsa
Wol Euler points to the listener.
Korel Laloix: I can't listen at the moment... so enjoy.
Wol Euler: erm, I meant to remind you that this is being recorded and will be published
Agatha Macbeth: 2011
Wol Euler: are you OK with Tulsa being published?
Korel Laloix: Sure.
Korel Laloix: Thanks for asking though.
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: Why I say NEAR Tulsa
Wol Euler: just checking
milakel Resident: you never know those stalkers
Agatha Macbeth: Twenty four hours away...
milakel Resident: nme: rolling stones of 1964
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, sounds right
milakel Resident: and they all got beatles haircuts
Korel Laloix: I know about the stalker thing first hand.
Korel Laloix: SO I am much more careful.
milakel Resident: korel, that's what i mean
Korel Laloix: Thanks.
milakel Resident: let's just strip that fro the record
Agatha Macbeth: Do stalkers read Pab logs?
milakel Resident: aga :)
milakel Resident: just worried about korel here
Agatha Macbeth: Okies, fair enough
Wol Euler: google reads them
milakel Resident: right
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, course
Korel Laloix: The guy that tracked me down did so partially by finding me in SL transcript stuff.
Korel Laloix: That sounds worse than it seems though.

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: I willingly met the guy at first.
milakel Resident: *takes korel's hand* you're safe with us :)
Korel Laloix: Long ago history for me.
Agatha Macbeth: And if you're safe with us, you're safe with anybody
milakel Resident: hehe
milakel Resident: *checks her dagger*
Korel Laloix: Turned out good in the end..... moved to Florida because of it.
milakel Resident: heh, yea...
Agatha Macbeth: At least the weather's good
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: possible hurricane next week, Eliza said
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Korel Laloix: Loved the heat and humidity down there.
milakel Resident: things like that are peculiar. bad events bring you good and otherwise.
Korel Laloix: I think so.
milakel Resident: classic example is a crashed plane that you're late for
Agatha Macbeth: Serendipity
Wol Euler: that too
Korel Laloix: Need to close up the office....
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Korel Laloix: Thanks for the chat all.
milakel Resident: bye girl
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now. Mind the stalkers
Korel Laloix: ciao
Wol Euler: bye korel, take care
milakel Resident: close well
milakel Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wa do
milakel Resident: short woly's farewells :)
Korel Laloix: That was 5 years ago.....
Agatha Macbeth: Is there a long Woly then?
Korel Laloix: seeya
Wol Euler: short what?
milakel Resident: short well :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or well short
milakel Resident: i think it started with "fold well"
milakel Resident: or at least when i first heard it
Agatha Macbeth: Well well
milakel Resident: back in the cardboard age
Agatha Macbeth: I remember when cardboard was real cardboard
Wol Euler: ha
milakel Resident: when?
Agatha Macbeth: Back in t'day lass
Wol Euler: you could afford real cardboard?
Wol Euler: we had to smear mud on sheets of old newspaper and press them together
Agatha Macbeth: Not durin t'war, no
milakel Resident: huh?
milakel Resident: you mean today's cardboard is not?
Agatha Macbeth: We dreamed about livin in a cardboard box
Agatha Macbeth: Aye, kids these days...
Wol Euler: aye
Wol Euler: tell them, and they won't believe you
Agatha Macbeth: Too right
milakel Resident: ok, some inner talk here :)
Wol Euler: Monty Python
Agatha Macbeth: Our dad used to kill us all and dance on our graves every night
milakel Resident: ah, never seen it
milakel Resident: well, a few times on youtube
Agatha Macbeth: Ministry of Silly walks?
milakel Resident: huh?
Agatha Macbeth: The Dead Parrot sketch?
milakel Resident: i know more about python than monty :)
Agatha Macbeth: Snakey
Wol Euler: good lord
Wol Euler: culturally deprived
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Wol Euler: heh, sorry
milakel Resident: crazy girl :)
milakel Resident: somebody stop her!!!
Agatha Macbeth: stop
milakel Resident: ah, there you are :)
milakel Resident: what did just happen?
Agatha Macbeth smiles breathlessly
milakel Resident: :P

--BELL--

milakel Resident: actually, i should be going
milakel Resident: some stuff isn't compiling
Agatha Macbeth: Going, going, gone
milakel Resident: be good you two
Agatha Macbeth: Why?
Agatha Macbeth: No fun in that
milakel Resident: um...
milakel Resident: fold well then :)
Wol Euler: bye Mila, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Does Mila fold?
Wol Euler: boxy certainly did
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: I think Bruce has enough to edit, don't you?
Agatha Macbeth: Shall we switch off?
Wol Euler: yeah
Wol Euler: actually, I must go, gotta be at work at 9 tomorrow
Wol Euler: which will be hard
Agatha Macbeth: Ok then, take care
Agatha Macbeth: BFN
Wol Euler: bye!