2012.04.10 13:00 - Attachments bring suffering

The Guardian for this meeting was Xirana Oximoxi. The comments are by Xirana Oximoxi.

Golden Aura: Hello
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Golden!
Golden Aura: Have you been here before?
Xirana Oximoxi: are you visiting the sim first time?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes!
Golden Aura: i have been a couple of times
Xirana Oximoxi: do you want to know something about here?
Golden Aura: I came here six hours ago
Golden Aura: Yes....
Golden Aura: Does anyone ver discuss anything interesting?
Xirana Oximoxi: we usually meet and have discussions about anything
Golden Aura: Each time i have been here the conversation has been vapid to say the least
Xirana Oximoxi: sometimes dayly things
Xirana Oximoxi: sometimes more interesting subjects
Xirana Oximoxi: what do you mean 'vapid' ?
Golden Aura: Lacking in substance
Xirana Oximoxi: ok...yes,... that can be seen like lacking of substance:)
Xirana Oximoxi: do you know the conversations here are recorded and published in the wiki of the group?
Golden Aura: Well, when they spend half of their time saying hello and the other half saying goodbye...that is lacking in substance in my experience
Golden Aura laughs
Golden Aura: Yes
Golden Aura: I do know about the recording
Xirana Oximoxi: you're right:) but when I come I like people to say hello:)
Xirana Oximoxi: and even, when someone comes, a lot of times 'cuts' the subject of the conversation...
Xirana Oximoxi: but... for me is not a terrible problem...next time I come back, I can recover the subject if I am specially interested about
Golden Aura: I'm happy for people to say "hello"...but I'd like to hear more than just that and a few meaningless pleasantries
Xirana Oximoxi: well..then you can also find more structured talks in the group schedule
Golden Aura: Ah
Golden Aura: Whare is that?
Xirana Oximoxi: do you have the notecard with the link of the wiki?
Golden Aura: Yes
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: I think there is a kind of calendar with activities there
Golden Aura: Ok
Xirana Oximoxi: moment, I try to find:)
Golden Aura: Thanks
Xirana Oximoxi: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Events/Calendar
Xirana Oximoxi: here you can find activities of the group:)
Xirana Oximoxi: are you also interested in meditation?
Xirana Oximoxi: some activities are related to it...sharing it
Golden Aura: No. Life is meditation.
Xirana Oximoxi: well...life is a lot of things:)
Golden Aura: Yes, but I don't need to sit around on my ass to contemplate it
Xirana Oximoxi: and I agree...that if want to be aware of life, thinking is unavoided
Alfred Kelberry: hi :0
Xirana Oximoxi: hi boxy, San :)
Golden Aura: Hello boxy
Alfred Kelberry: ah, golden's here too. becomig a regular :)
Xirana Oximoxi: some people prefer to sit...
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, san :)
Xirana Oximoxi: and that's their option
Golden Aura: Sure
Golden Aura smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Alfred Kelberry: you can also float
Golden Aura: that's easy in SL
Alfred Kelberry: why is everyone at kira cafe?
Santoshima Resident: dunno
Santoshima Resident: ask someone there?
Alfred Kelberry: let's go check
Xirana Oximoxi: I have no idea...I was wondering why not a lot of people here
Santoshima Resident: can you report back, boxy?
Xirana Oximoxi: Golden...you don't mind publishing the chat in the wiki? I am not sure about it
Santoshima Resident: Golden has been here before, Xirana
Santoshima Resident: this morning, for example
Golden Aura: It doesn't bother me one way or the other
Golden Aura grins
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, she's told me! ty:)
Santoshima Resident: ok
Xirana Oximoxi: but I wanted to be sure...:)
Santoshima Resident: good idea :)
Xirana Oximoxi: do you think there's away to have more deep or profound conversations in a place like this Golden?
Golden Aura: You tell me. After four glorious years i'd have thought you'd have it off to a tee by now
Xirana Oximoxi: if you are interested, you can also make a proposal to the group
Xirana Oximoxi: I mean, about topics to talk about
Golden Aura: How do I do that?
Santoshima Resident: Golden, we are here. Xirana and I
Santoshima Resident: did you want to talk with us?
Freud Jungsten: osiyo
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Freud:)
Santoshima Resident: hey FJ
Freud Jungsten smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: well... you come and say about what do you want to talk:)..that's easy
Golden Aura: I came here because i thought I might find some challenging and interesting conversations
Santoshima Resident: start one
Golden Aura: Ok....
Xirana Oximoxi: I, personally, don't know if I would have the 'level' to talk about it... but...
Freud Jungsten: lol.... there can be some good ones for sure.... but sometimes it just gets a bit silly
Xirana Oximoxi: ...
Santoshima Resident: yes, FJ, for sure
Golden Aura: what is "Play as Being"
Golden Aura: an easy one for you
Santoshima Resident: to you?
Santoshima Resident: what is it?
Xirana Oximoxi: for me is 'be myself'...if I know who I am :)
Golden Aura: that doesn't make any sense
--BELL--
Santoshima Resident: why should it make sense to you ... it's Xirana's description for herself
Freud Jungsten: For me, PaB is a place for a good chat.
Santoshima Resident: :)
Freud Jungsten: But I am not the sort that tries to find meaning in everything.
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Golden Aura: because, for one, i asked her a question, so the onus is on her to make her answer sensible to me as far as she can...
Santoshima Resident: that is not so, Golden
Golden Aura: and secondly...
Santoshima Resident: the onus is on you to listen
Santoshima Resident: if you are able and willing
Golden Aura: "be myself"....is vacuous
Freud Jungsten: Comunication is a two way process though.
Santoshima Resident: hi Jan, good to see you
Freud Jungsten: Or multiway.
Freud Jungsten: osiyo
Jan Qualia: Hi all
Freud Jungsten: Running out of English again on that one.
Santoshima Resident: does anyone know where the bat button is?
Xirana Oximoxi: I am not pretending to make a special 'rational' sense' about what 'play as being' is...
Freud Jungsten: Bat button?
Jan Qualia: I made a new top
Xirana Oximoxi: I just come, enjoy, share... and learn coming here
Jan Qualia: lke it?
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Jan
Golden Aura: it doesn't have to be special...it just has to mean something that someone else other than you understands
Golden Aura grins
Santoshima Resident: nice top, Jan
Freud Jungsten: In that case, I would be completely out of it sometimes.... smiles
Jan Qualia: Zen made it for me :)
Xirana Oximoxi: well...me even more...making my English translator work quickly:)
Santoshima Resident: very chic
Freud Jungsten: It frames things well... smiles
Santoshima Resident: indead
Jan Qualia: only No 2
Freud Jungsten: Show off.... lol
Santoshima Resident: well done
Jan Qualia: lol
Freud Jungsten: I do feel more close to the people here in PaB than to almost any other groups I have been in in SL.
Santoshima Resident: these are rideable, if anyone cares to float
Freud Jungsten: I think that does say something... maybe it means more to me than I say.
Jan Qualia: yeh me too
Santoshima Resident: ditto, FJ
Jan Qualia: on same wavelength
Freud Jungsten: I am not very good at being honest with myself about my feelings sometimes.
Golden Aura: Try it, it's very refreshing
Jan Qualia: natural defences
Freud Jungsten: If someone asks me thogh,,, I tend to be overly honest once I think about it.
Jan Qualia: oh forgot there's a meeting at Kira
Freud Jungsten: For what?
Jan Qualia: excuse me
Jan Qualia: dreams or something
Jan Qualia: bye for now
Xirana Oximoxi: ok, bye bye Jan:)
Freud Jungsten: Ciao
Freud Jungsten: I never remember my dreams, so they are not good chats for me.
Santoshima Resident: bye Jan
Xirana Oximoxi: that's why everyone is there:)
Xirana Oximoxi: I do sometimes...but probably will keep it just for me:)
Santoshima Resident: Golden you are welcome to float if you like
Golden Aura: Thanks...I'll give it a miss for now
Freud Jungsten: Pink is like sooooo not my color... but I will join in for a bit... smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: usually when I remember dreams it's a mix of recent thoughts, or things I've seen or read, or lived
Santoshima Resident: as you like it
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Freud Jungsten: Mine are always nightmares.
Xirana Oximoxi: oopps...sometimes for me too
Freud Jungsten: I kick so bad when I dream I sleep in a sleeping back.
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Freud Jungsten: But I have clinical parsomnia, so sleep is an issue for me anways.
Santoshima Resident: parsomnia?
Freud Jungsten: parasomnia
Santoshima Resident: oh
Golden Aura: What is it Freud?
Freud Jungsten: The Parasomnias are disorders that intrude into the sleep process and create disruptive sleep-related events. These behaviors and experiences occur usually while sleeping, and are most often infrequent and mild. They may happen often enough or become so bothersome that medical attention is required.
--BELL--
Golden Aura: Another way of saying you don't always sleep well?
Xirana Oximoxi: how do you know Freud? it's like awakening without beeing aware of it ?
Golden Aura: I think she's dropped off
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)
Santoshima Resident: wrong ...
Freud Jungsten: At work so in and out....
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe :)
Freud Jungsten: Diagnoasis from my shrink.
Freud Jungsten: Long story.
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)
Xirana Oximoxi: it's fun to be at work and floating at the same time into the fountain:)

Santoshima Resident: & great photo op
Freud Jungsten: The dress really sets it off though.
Freud Jungsten: Just cleaning out my inventory really.
Santoshima Resident: gorgeous dress FJ
Freud Jungsten: wado
Freud Jungsten: It is probably just the wearer though.... smiles
Santoshima Resident: wado?
Santoshima Resident: hari too right?
Freud Jungsten: Thanks you in Tsalagi
Santoshima Resident: wado is what?
Santoshima Resident: HHH
Santoshima Resident: ahh
Santoshima Resident: you told me that before, sorry
Freud Jungsten: No worries.
Xirana Oximoxi: did you get your inventory to less that 400 items, Freud?
Freud Jungsten: For Korel, it is under 300 at the moment...
Xirana Oximoxi: wow! :)
Freud Jungsten: But I am still working on FJ....
Freud Jungsten: Wanted to get this down to only the non trans stuff.
Xirana Oximoxi: do you also delete the tools that SL provides in Bibliotec?
Freud Jungsten: I just don't want to get rid of some things I have been pasing down to myself for seven years now.
Freud Jungsten: Yes.
Freud Jungsten: Just turn off the library.

Golden Aura: Attachments bring suffering

Freud Jungsten: lol..... and vivid joy.
Santoshima Resident: is there a benefit FJ, is the speed of sl faster with lower inventory?
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes... 'Library':)
Freud Jungsten: I use a cell connection at home, so I think yes.
Freud Jungsten: But I am just so type A, it suits my sytle more.

Xirana Oximoxi: one must know how really important are things we feel attached to

Freud Jungsten: I more mean people.
Freud Jungsten: FOr me, everyting I own RL can fit in my car.. with roomleft over.

Golden Aura: They are only important because we make them important...then we suffer when we lose them or we become too dependant on them
Freud Jungsten: People or things or both?
Golden Aura: both
Xirana Oximoxi: and, is it bad to make some things important to us...even if we know that nothing is for ever and we can lose it?
Golden Aura: not if you don't mind suffereing
Xirana Oximoxi: we can make it important temporarily
Freud Jungsten: I think the promise of other people far outweighs the risk of opening up.
Freud Jungsten: Life is about relationships.
Golden Aura: "opening up" is not the same thing as being attached
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: then maybe it's a matter to make balance...I can not imagine going on without the feeling of having something that's important for me
Freud Jungsten: In my abilities with English, the difference is small.
Freud Jungsten: Maybe one has to be there before the other...but they reinforce each other.
Freud Jungsten: Not sure I am clear.
Santoshima Resident: you are rarely unclear, FJ
Freud Jungsten: Thanks... but I am not sure I give the shade of meaning I am attempting to.
Santoshima Resident: oh
Freud Jungsten: I just thinking opening up to someone, depending on them, having them depend on you is one of the most satifying things in life.
Freud Jungsten: But it has to be a relationship.. two way.. equaled out.
Freud Jungsten: Our with more than one person.
Golden Aura: Sure. Just don't get too attached to it.
Freud Jungsten: What is too attached?
Xirana Oximoxi: exactly Freud! it's good when it's equaled
Santoshima Resident: good question
Golden Aura: How will you feel when they run away?
Golden Aura: Or die?
Freud Jungsten: How will I feel when they stay in hard times?
Golden Aura: No.
Xirana Oximoxi: it's not fun... but it can not stop feelings
Freud Jungsten: How will I feel when they are with me in my final minutes?
Golden Aura: How will you feel when they change their mind about you?
Santoshima Resident: ?
Xirana Oximoxi: Freud!! :)
Freud Jungsten: I hope they do.. relationship have to grow... good times and bad.
Santoshima Resident: exactly
Freud Jungsten: But yes, you can get hurt if things go bad... we are human.
Freud Jungsten: But the risk balances out toward trusting for me.
Golden Aura: Some people suffer very badly when they are hurt
Xirana Oximoxi: time is good to recover ...and to open new ways
Xirana Oximoxi: and feeling is how we know we are alive
Xirana Oximoxi: even feeling the changes of weather
Freud Jungsten: I think most people suffer deeply when they are abandoned.
Freud Jungsten: But I think most people would rather take the risk and love.
Freud Jungsten: But maybe that is my inner optimist.
Xirana Oximoxi: it's wonderful to be optimistic!!
Golden Aura: "Most people" is not always a good reason for doing something
Xirana Oximoxi: we also learn from suffering
Golden Aura: It's naive to be optimistic
Freud Jungsten: Not always... but it it is a good trend indicator... smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: and can appreciate the best moments even more
Golden Aura: Trends are the migration of the herd
Freud Jungsten: lol.. we were just talking about niavity the other day.
Freud Jungsten: I brought the subject up.... about how my niavity was good and bad.
Santoshima Resident: greeting Bruce
Santoshima Resident: have a flamingo?
Xirana Oximoxi: and now I will go to sleep ... I whish you all sweet dreams...even at work:)
Freud Jungsten: It reinforced my thoughts... I preffer to be niave.
Freud Jungsten: Ciao
Santoshima Resident: night Xirana, great to see you
Bruce Mowbray: I'd LOVE to have a flamingo!
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
Golden Aura: Bye Xirana
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bruce!
Santoshima Resident: have a seat ... float a while
Xirana Oximoxi: I was going...
Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye all
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: I also need to be off.
Santoshima Resident: me too
Freud Jungsten: Take care
Bruce Mowbray: Be thee well!
Freud Jungsten: Thanks for the chat.
Freud Jungsten: Off to sort more inventory.
Freud Jungsten: Wish me luck.
Santoshima Resident: bye Bruce, lovely to see you
Santoshima Resident: bye
Santoshima Resident: FJ
Golden Aura: Bye Freud
Santoshima Resident: bye you two
Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i