The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth. For some strange reason I kept thinking it was Wednesday and consequently turned up halfway through the session....

Raffila Millgrove: Hello Mic
Mickorod Renard: Hi
Mickorod Renard: quiet today
Raffila Millgrove: funny i was typing exact words you spoke.
Raffila Millgrove: it is quiet
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: maybe something is on elsewhere?
Raffila Millgrove: i was just thinking the same?
Raffila Millgrove: but it's Thurs...
Raffila Millgrove: don't see anyone else in the sim.
Mickorod Renard: I only see Bruce and zen online
Raffila Millgrove: i can't tell as i don't have many PaB friends.
Mickorod Renard: I have most on my list
Raffila Millgrove: yes. i see you on mine. lol
Raffila Millgrove: one of the few.
Raffila Millgrove: lol
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: how are you?
Raffila Millgrove: Mick if you want to talk on stillness. please.. go ahead.
Raffila Millgrove: fine thanks. and you?
Mickorod Renard: I am fine ty
Raffila Millgrove: i don't have anything brilliant to add about stillness.. so..
Mickorod Renard: grin
Raffila Millgrove: i can't put in some clever quote on it etc.
Raffila Millgrove: at least i found an application that will let me "listen" to music over here when people.. sometimes like to do that.
Mickorod Renard: well,,its funny,,recently I have been thinking about the oposite
Raffila Millgrove: oh? what is the opposite?
Mickorod Renard: the complications we alow into our lives
Raffila Millgrove: do you do that too?
Mickorod Renard: and the value we attach to those
Mickorod Renard: well,,,i think its a human thing
Raffila Millgrove: sometimes i look at a situatin and think.. why am I in this? how'd i get here?
Mickorod Renard: for sure,,at least you recognise it,,thats a start
Mickorod Renard: I think most believe that that is life
Raffila Millgrove: hehe. the smart thing to do would be recognize Before you get in.
   --BELL--1315
Mickorod Renard: as part of the i ching group I have uncovered a strange phenomena.....it hinges on our basic aspect,,we are just a cycle of energy being spent,,nothing more complex,,
Raffila Millgrove: mm that is a bit brutal for me to comprehend. the "only" a cycle of energy.
Mickorod Renard: and then we add all sorts of rubbish to that for self gratification and importance
Raffila Millgrove: that's all we are?
Raffila Millgrove: did i get that right? just vague energy cycling ?
Mickorod Renard: well,,it helps to get that basic,,and then see all the other things as bolt ons
Raffila Millgrove: well .. maybe i agree in a way.. if i could share this anecdote?
Raffila Millgrove: when i was growing up.. my family always would say--don't let molehills become mountains. idea being to tackle small problems Before they become large ones.
Raffila Millgrove: Hi Arabella
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
Raffila Millgrove: then i was on this board with a president.. people bring her a problem.. she'd say.. oh that bears looking into. ty for telling me.
Mickorod Renard: yes, i like that idea,,but I dont think we look at it close enough
Raffila Millgrove: But.. i watched her--she'd do zero nothing on it... wouldn't even "look into" a lot.
Raffila Millgrove: this went against my training. But i learned from her.
Raffila Millgrove: that a lot of small problems will go away. you don't have to fix them.
Mickorod Renard: I think I know where you are going
arabella Ella: that attitude sounds very familiar Raff ... I've often experienced it myself ... but it can be frustrating too!
Raffila Millgrove: this was kind of a big deal for me to learn this. it make me think... that is a way.. to avoid getting overcluttered ...
Mickorod Renard: there is a name for it
arabella Ella: pass the buck?
Mickorod Renard: something like carrington theory
Raffila Millgrove: she was wise in her picking and choosing..
arabella Ella: he he
Raffila Millgrove: no arabella. she ignored. she didn't pass it anywhere and .. an amazing number of these 'problems' went away.
Mickorod Renard: seriously,,there is a name for it
Raffila Millgrove: that is the name? Carrington?
arabella Ella: well i notice that on my to do lists too
Raffila Millgrove: well i saw it work. and it amazed me.. that you could.. and probably should ignore these perceived problems.
arabella Ella: when you get back to them after some weeks, the to do lists, some issues just vanish into thin air ... they solve themselves
Raffila Millgrove: cause remember--these problems were brought to her by other people.. lot of times they were not problems the group needed to address-they were.. perceived problems. does this make sense?
Mickorod Renard: it was some chap in england around the second wolrd war,,he said that if a building with lots of files and so forth got blown up it wouldnt make much diference as things still move on
Raffila Millgrove: ty mick.. for naming it.
arabella Ella: it is also a bit like losing all your work email inbox ... only the serious problems come back
arabella Ella: i've experienced that once!
Raffila Millgrove: arabella. Mick was talking on the i ching. we actually are talking about stillness in round about way.
arabella Ella: oh ... i had no idea about the context hope i have not messed things up ...
Mickorod Renard: I had a briefcase stolen out my car once with tons of important papers in it,,I thought the world would end,,,,,,noone even questioned me over anything about the business or whatever ever
Raffila Millgrove: oh not at all.
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
arabella Ella: Hiya Bruce!
Bruce Mowbray: Hello!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bruce
arabella Ella: Hiya Blub too!
Raffila Millgrove: [13:16] Mickorod Renard: as part of the i ching group I have uncovered a strange phenomena.....it hinges on our basic aspect,,we are just a cycle of energy being spent,,nothing more complex,, [13:17] Raffila Millgrove: mm that is a bit brutal for me to comprehend. the "only" a cycle of energy. [13:17] Mickorod Renard: and then we add all sorts of rubbish to that for self gratification and importance
Bruce Mowbray: Blub waves a happy fin.
Raffila Millgrove: maybe that puts into context.. that's where we started.
Mickorod Renard: the papers would have been about 2 months work for me outstanding,,but it went in a second and noone noticed
arabella Ella waves back to lovely Blubbie!
arabella Ella: thanks Raff!
Bruce Mowbray: I coulod not agree more, Mick....
Bruce Mowbray: and WHAT a "cycle" that can be!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: I am now almost laughing at the amazing nonsense of all the running around everyone does over nothing
Raffila Millgrove: i was adding an anecdote about a president of a board.. who ignored a lot of small problems. kind of revelation to me, that it was ok to do that.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Mick, laughing on one level and crying with compassion on another.
arabella Ella: don't you think a cycle of energy couild incorporate quite a lot into it raff?
Mickorod Renard: well,,I havnt got to that bit yet bruce,,I am finding it a refreshing amusement
Bruce Mowbray: heh heh.
Bruce Mowbray: Enjoy the moment, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: yes, until my late tax return bites back
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Kori!
Mickorod Renard: hi kori
Korel Laloix: hey
arabella Ella: Hiya Korel!

  --BELL--1330

Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I'm late, I completely lost track of what day it was
Raffila Millgrove: hi Korel. congrats on your semester coming to close.
Korel Laloix: wado
Raffila Millgrove: breath of air in between classes now.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers!
Korel Laloix: out of it abit
Bruce Mowbray: Congrats, Kori!!
arabella Ella: Hiya Aggers!
Raffila Millgrove: hi Agatha.
Mickorod Renard: hi ags
Bruce Mowbray: It's still Thursday over here.
Korel Laloix: drugs and one hand typing today
arabella Ella: And sounds good to me Korel ... are you now on vacation?
Korel Laloix: out patient surgury this morning
Bruce Mowbray: oh dear!
Bruce Mowbray: Yo, Zon.
Agatha Macbeth: Are you OK K?
Raffila Millgrove: hi Zon
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Korel Laloix: aal well
arabella Ella: Hiya Zon!
Korel Laloix: good drugs
Zon Kwan: heya
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Good to hear it
Korel Laloix: weysa
arabella Ella: oh nooooo Korel wish you a speedy recovery!
Mickorod Renard: i Hi Zon
Korel Laloix: i am back home so allgood
Agatha Macbeth: Have you been ill?
Korel Laloix: fozzy
Korel Laloix: fuzzy
Agatha Macbeth: Bear?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Bruce Mowbray understands "fozzy."
Agatha Macbeth wonders how Kermit is
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Is everybody else doing well?
Mickorod Renard: I am doing well,,thanks
arabella Ella: not too bad thanks Aggers ... and yourself?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'm alright
Korel Laloix: lol
Raffila Millgrove: i quit obessing on this belly belt because luckily Wester and San knocked some sense into me late one eve earlier this week.
Mickorod Renard: I could do with crediting myself with 30 years rejuvination
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like Wol must be working late again
Agatha Macbeth: Belly belt?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alf :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yo, Boxy!
Raffila Millgrove: hi boxy.
Mickorod Renard: hi alf
arabella Ella: Hiya Alfie!
Alfred Kelberry: zomg
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Agatha Macbeth: Zomg to you too dear
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a super hero or something
arabella Ella: he he
Alfred Kelberry: *nods*
Bruce Mowbray: I need to run out and take a photo for today's 99 Day's offering.
Bruce Mowbray: Please excuse me, good people.
Agatha Macbeth: 'Zomg will save the world!'
Raffila Millgrove: bye Bruce. tc
Agatha Macbeth: Bye brucie
Raffila Millgrove: bye blub
arabella Ella: excused brucie!
Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: btw, mick. i wrote you to whatsapp :)
Agatha Macbeth: What's a whatsapp?
Mickorod Renard: ? whats that Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: i imagine you tried it once and then forgot about it :)
Alfred Kelberry: instant message app
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like you were right...
Mickorod Renard: ahh yes
arabella Ella: it is free SMSs mick
arabella Ella: does it apply world wide alfie?
Agatha Macbeth: Free SMS, wow
Mickorod Renard: I think my phone has it,,but i wud have to look
arabella Ella: yes and Viber for free mobile phone calls as VOIP
Mickorod Renard: my prob is I find it all too confusing
Agatha Macbeth: Join the club
arabella Ella: Alfie does Viber work world wide too?
Alfred Kelberry: never used it
Mickorod Renard: I used a google one with Pila
arabella Ella: oh
Alfred Kelberry: i go with skype
Agatha Macbeth: Where do you go with it?
arabella Ella: Viber is similar to WhatsApp but for phone calls over internet if you have a connection
Mickorod Renard: now then,,I have a skype account
Alfred Kelberry: skype is awful for messaging
arabella Ella: and skype often has poor quality video and sound
Alfred Kelberry: or anything else really except voice chat
Mickorod Renard: so is whatsapp the name of it Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: correct
arabella Ella: yes mick
Mickorod Renard: ok,,I will load it on my phone yes?
Alfred Kelberry: i like it that it has a message delivery confirmation
arabella Ella: i had read a few reviews criticising whatsapp but i dont recall precisely what they said ... so i dont have that app ... yet
Alfred Kelberry: other clients just send your message into the void in hope that it will eventually reach the destination
   --BELL--1345
Mickorod Renard: how could you send it to me alf if i dont have an account?
arabella Ella: you cant
Alfred Kelberry: it's tied to a phone number. that's the thing.
Alfred Kelberry: no accounts
Mickorod Renard: ahh
Mickorod Renard: let me get my phone,,brb
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds a bit like floating paper boats down a river
Alfred Kelberry: when you install it, you enter your phone number and get an sms confirmation. then it checks your address book for whatsapp contacts.
arabella Ella: nice analogy Aggers
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Alfred Kelberry: this is how you popped up
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful where you pop up :p
arabella Ella imagines Micko popping up on Alfie's phone :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, nothing has arrived as yet
Agatha Macbeth: It works then? [grin]
Alfred Kelberry: you opened the app?
Mickorod Renard: i am looking in the search now
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Alfred Kelberry: it's not on your phone?
Alfred Kelberry: it can't arrive unless you have it :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds very technical
Mickorod Renard: isnt it
Mickorod Renard: erk
Alfred Kelberry: *scratches aga's boot with his paw*
Agatha Macbeth wipes off the mark
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: I am just loading it onto my phone
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Alfred Kelberry: let's see if they still keep my message on their server
arabella Ella: Alfie should Micko not get a notification saying you have joined WhatsApp?
Mickorod Renard: ok,,its loading
Alfred Kelberry: um... no, i usually do search now and then
Agatha Macbeth holds her breath
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: its downloading
Alfred Kelberry: ara, you're next! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't seem very quick
arabella Ella: exciting stuff then micko ... downloading!
arabella Ella: well Alfie if you get Viber i will add you
arabella Ella: or FB for that matter!
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful Alf isn't sending you porn Mick ;-)
Mickorod Renard: so,,what does it do Alf,,empty my bank account?
Alfred Kelberry: oh nooooes! no fb, please.
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella loves FB ... he he
Alfred Kelberry: mick, enriches your social life :)
Alfred Kelberry: *giggles*
Agatha Macbeth: That assumes you have one...
Alfred Kelberry: ok, raffi? are you with us? :)
Mickorod Renard: erm,,I am a bit discrete,,I dont do social life
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth: For discreet read 'smart'
arabella Ella: you are missing out micko!
Mickorod Renard: he he Ags
Alfred Kelberry: ara, i think i heard it somewhere...
Mickorod Renard: now it says installing
arabella Ella: heard what Alfie? he he
arabella Ella: about the party island on which I spend most of my time?
Agatha Macbeth: This is like waiting for a ZX Spectrum to load....
Alfred Kelberry: ah! it was google shoving g+ down my throat telling me how miserable my life is without it
arabella Ella: the biggest problem is which events to attend
Mickorod Renard: look Ara,,you could arrange another social pab gathering if you want
arabella Ella: he he
Mickorod Renard: on the Island
Alfred Kelberry: good plan
Mickorod Renard: hey its loaded
arabella Ella: i'll give that some thought Micko maybe Aggers and Alfie will join us if i promise it is discreet (smart)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay!
arabella Ella: or in Venice for a weekend in September?
arabella Ella: while Aph is travelling
Agatha Macbeth: Gondoliers
arabella Ella: yeaaa!
Mickorod Renard: I done venice,,I think its a wet fish
arabella Ella: not if it is a Pab meet micko!
Agatha Macbeth: The streets are always flooded...
arabella Ella: with good friends everywhere is fun
Alfred Kelberry: mick, oh no! don't tell woly :)
Mickorod Renard: yea, watch out for the puddles
Alfred Kelberry: she *adores* venice!
Alfred Kelberry: kori? whatsapp? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Whatsapp doc?
arabella Ella: venice is lovely but it is a sad place
arabella Ella: bridge of sighs
Mickorod Renard: ahh,,i have to put in my phone number now
Agatha Macbeth: Good if you want to drown yerself tho
Alfred Kelberry: you're getting there, mick!
Mickorod Renard: I dont know my number
   --BELL--1400
Agatha Macbeth: Ha, me either!
Alfred Kelberry: psst, i'll tell you :)
arabella Ella: he he
Alfred Kelberry: see im :)
Mickorod Renard: ok,,its in,,ty
Agatha Macbeth: What im said...
Mickorod Renard: initializing
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Agatha Macbeth waits for Mick's phone to blow up
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: it works
Alfred Kelberry: our chat has just been flagged by nsa
Agatha Macbeth: Oh great
Mickorod Renard: erk
Mickorod Renard: hi you guys on the space station
Alfred Kelberry: for the record: i don't know this aga person :)
Mickorod Renard: sorry,,wrong window
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Agatha Macbeth: Just as well maybe
Alfred Kelberry: ah, you got my last message, mick
Mickorod Renard: yep,,sent u one
Alfred Kelberry: one from april was lost
Agatha Macbeth: My last message was 'ignore my next message'
Raffila Millgrove: excuse. duty calls. have a great day/eve all.
Mickorod Renard: bye Raffi
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful out there Raff
Agatha Macbeth: watch out for strange men
Raffila Millgrove: lol xoxo
arabella Ella: bye Raff!
Mickorod Renard: my phone is online 24 hrs Alf
Mickorod Renard: is that an issue?
Agatha Macbeth: Well at least he can call you in the middle of the night
Mickorod Renard: nice pici Alf,,do you know her well?
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: i said it's a horse picture :)
Agatha Macbeth: He's not taking pictures of my boobs again is he?
Alfred Kelberry: but he of course found a girl there :)
Mickorod Renard: grin
Mickorod Renard: just pulling your leg
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Alfred Kelberry: she's a nice girl, though :)
Mickorod Renard: :))
Alfred Kelberry: now ara, if you want a picture of a horse, you'll have to join whatsapp :)
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Seems a lot of trouble to go to for a picture of a horse
arabella Ella: he he
Mickorod Renard: if you said stalion she may be interested Alf
arabella Ella: and u should join viber alfie!
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: so, viber is a skype alternative?
arabella Ella: my friends here all use whatsapp
arabella Ella: viber is free phone calls over internet connection with others who also dowload the viber app
arabella Ella: let me know if u go for it alfie!
Alfred Kelberry: ok, skype alternative then :)
arabella Ella: oh and i am on skype too
Agatha Macbeth: She gets around
arabella Ella: well some ppl today dont have skype but they have viber
Mickorod Renard: is this whatup free then?
Agatha Macbeth: Good viber-ations
arabella Ella: yes mick
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Mickorod Renard: or am I running up a huge bill?
Mickorod Renard: he he
arabella Ella: and viber avoids the spam requests you may get on skype
Alfred Kelberry: you can cut on your sms bill :)
arabella Ella: spam add requests from people unknown
arabella Ella: on skype i mean
Agatha Macbeth: Do you get bots on there?
Mickorod Renard: I pay extra for international calls,,so it may be useful
arabella Ella: also once you are on skype other people may interrupt you
arabella Ella: and i hate that
Alfred Kelberry: is viber tied to a phone number also?
arabella Ella: yes it is very similar to whatsapp
Alfred Kelberry: cool
Agatha Macbeth: Kewl
Mickorod Renard: I can send you a picture of a bot if you like Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ty
Agatha Macbeth: Does it say 'does not compute'?
Alfred Kelberry: wait, aga is on whatsapp?!
Agatha Macbeth: I am?
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: yea
arabella Ella: he he
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm in, ara
arabella Ella: there you go ... discreet and smart!
Alfred Kelberry: what's your phone? :)
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: IM me and i will give it to you
Mickorod Renard: how do you know who's who?
   --BELL--1415
Mickorod Renard: can yu do voice on whatsapp?
Alfred Kelberry: no, only audio recording
Mickorod Renard: ahh
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: done alfie!
arabella Ella: great thanks!
arabella Ella: love the stallion :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll bet
Mickorod Renard: he he
Alfred Kelberry: wee! i'm on viber now too
Alfred Kelberry: thanks, ara
Agatha Macbeth: So did Katherine the Great by all accounts
arabella Ella: and viber has free smss too
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: and mick was right it is a female getting on to a stallion he he
Agatha Macbeth: Horse feathers
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: i've got to go bye everyone and lovely to see you all!
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arababe, U2
Agatha Macbeth: At least you didn't crash tonight
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Mickorod Renard: hi
Agatha Macbeth: Lo
Mickorod Renard: ok,,I gotta go,,Alf, i am happy if you want to fwd my no to Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Mick, have fun in the garden
Alfred Kelberry: will do :)
Alfred Kelberry: aga, step one: take your phone :)
Mickorod Renard: which garden?
Agatha Macbeth: Take it where?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: ok,,c u soon
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Do i need to switch it on?
Alfred Kelberry: yes, please
Agatha Macbeth: Right
   --BELL--1430
Alfred Kelberry: so? you got it?
Alfred Kelberry: android or iphone?
Agatha Macbeth: What?
Agatha Macbeth: I don't know
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Agatha Macbeth: Samsung
Alfred Kelberry: you're not helping here
Alfred Kelberry: ok, install whatsapp :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi, stormy :)
Agatha Macbeth: How?
Storm Nordwind: Hi guys
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Stormy
Agatha Macbeth: Is that it?
Agatha Macbeth: Hurry up, my battery's running down
Alfred Kelberry: well? got it?
Agatha Macbeth: WHAT???
Alfred Kelberry: btw, storm, you need a new phone :)
Storm Nordwind: er... no.
Agatha Macbeth shakes her head
Agatha Macbeth: Plan B, let's just forget it!

Here endeth the tech session