2012.05.19 07:00 - Science topics and boundaries of judgement

The Guardian for this meeting was Xirana Oximoxi. The comments are by Xirana Oximoxi.

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Eliza!! nice to see you! :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri, you too :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I claim the log...I've forgotten:)
Xirana Oximoxi: I've been 'playing' with my Motion piece today:)
Xirana Oximoxi: I've got it:)
Eliza Madrigal: yay
Xirana Oximoxi: have you started to do something?
Eliza Madrigal: congratulations... mine is in limbo
Xirana Oximoxi: haha
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: well...we have still time...so probably I will change it and try more possibilities
Eliza Madrigal: I had a spurt of creativity about it one night, which then fizzled... maybe tomorrows workshop here will help inspire again
Xirana Oximoxi: I've focused in Motion of our society and the speed we usually have in it
Eliza Madrigal: what a fantastic idea
Eliza Madrigal: look forward to how you convey that
Xirana Oximoxi: but as Bleu says...Motion has a lot of ways to see it
Xirana Oximoxi: I can show you if you want :))
Eliza Madrigal: you seem quite easy going/balanced... do you feel a need to 'keep up'?
Xirana Oximoxi: not sure if it's easy to get the interpretation I want to give to it...but as we can also write a notecard
Eliza Madrigal: :) notes for the gaps
Xirana Oximoxi: what do you mean 'keep up' ?
Eliza Madrigal: well you mention the speed of society
Xirana Oximoxi: yes....
Xirana Oximoxi: and the way we are destroying our planet too
Eliza Madrigal: yes we are trying to
Eliza Madrigal: I'd love to see Xiri
Xirana Oximoxi: I show you:)
Eliza Madrigal: (the project not our destroying the planet, hah)
Xirana Oximoxi: you see it?
Eliza Madrigal: wow!!
Xirana Oximoxi: but...the texture when I try in another place is moving quick...here it stays quiet
Eliza Madrigal: which texture?
Xirana Oximoxi: the one outside the ball
Eliza Madrigal: I see a few moving quite rapidly
Xirana Oximoxi: you see it moving?
Eliza Madrigal: you will need to say very little I think, re a note to fill gaps... think it is clear right away
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! I think so :)
Eliza Madrigal: I see an inner and outer texture
Eliza Madrigal: both moving
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for showing me :))
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... then it's ok...but I don't know why I can not see it now
Xirana Oximoxi: yw:) I liked to show you:)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: I can show you the beginning of mine....
Xirana Oximoxi: I supppose it's one of the ways to understand Motion
Eliza Madrigal: you will see how simple it is comparatively
Xirana Oximoxi: oh yes, please:)
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh going back to prehistory:)
Xirana Oximoxi: wonderful:)
Eliza Madrigal: I don't know if you read the chat about zen gardens with hana...
Eliza Madrigal: but she talked about a rock waterfall that 'feels to roar'
Xirana Oximoxi: oh no... I think I have not read
Eliza Madrigal: still, but shows motion... I am working on something like that but age and time is hard to capture :)
Eliza Madrigal: character
Xirana Oximoxi: it's nice!!!
Xirana Oximoxi: it looks wonderful and paceful:)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... not easy to show age with few pieces
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... this is the beginning I hope... sometimes I worry to go too far with it, as with painting one can have a moment then try to push and lose it
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Golden :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Golden
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: I don't know if we have a limit of prims to do the piece...do you know Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: let me see... pretty sure I saved the directions
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, here they are:

Eliza Madrigal: A reminder of the project details: Theme is "in Motion" or "Motion" can be sculpture or photography or short performance piece (90 seconds or less) size: up to 4m x 4m x 4m max the motion can be moving prims, moving textures or static depictions of motion can be interpreted in many ways .... create an artwork that IS motion or SHOWS motion or CREATES motion or ..... motion as movement motion as change motion as design motion as thought motion as ........ hmmm .... seems plenty of room for interpretation ... include a notecard with your piece.

Xirana Oximoxi: I've read about the size 4x4x4 m...but not about prims
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... that's what I've read
Eliza Madrigal: no limit suggested, hm
Xirana Oximoxi: we are preparing a piece of Art on the subject of 'Motion' Golden... whatever it inspires you
Golden Aura: Ok
Xirana Oximoxi: ok, then it's perfect:)
Golden Aura: Where is it going to be installed?
Xirana Oximoxi: at the Dome here
Golden Aura: Maybe you should just get a bunch of people to walk around in there
Eliza Madrigal: every few months we have an art exhibition and special session
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... that's a possibility:)
Eliza Madrigal: the train goes right to the dome also
Xirana Oximoxi: some Art galleries show people standing now
Eliza Madrigal: as well as to the Sacred Art museum
Xirana Oximoxi: as a piece of Art:)
Eliza Madrigal: ah :)

Eliza Madrigal: Since tomorrow we will have a workshop at Aphrodite's session, I guess transcendence will be started in tomorrow morning's session...
Eliza Madrigal: if someone picks it up :)
Golden Aura: RL calling back soon
Eliza Madrigal waves
Xirana Oximoxi: 'transcencence' is the new subject Aph has proposed'
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Golden
Eliza Madrigal: I think Bleu... but everyone seemed to like it...
Eliza Madrigal: not sure how to frame a question except that I've been thinking transcendence can mean going deeper, not just 'higher' as people tend to describe... or beyond categories altogether
Xirana Oximoxi: I've missed this one... do they change it every week? I thouhgt it was judgement now
Eliza Madrigal: beginning sundays... with last week judgment and this coming week transcendence...
Xirana Oximoxi: the particle 'trans' means going a little far
Eliza Madrigal: our mission should we choose to accept it, lol
Xirana Oximoxi: don't know how to say in English

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Korel :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Korel! :)
Korel Laloix: Heya
Korel Laloix: What did I miss?... smiles
Eliza Madrigal: turning of the world? :)
Korel Laloix: I was out hard for a while... medications.
Eliza Madrigal: oh, sorry to hear
Korel Laloix: I sort of overdid it last night so in a bit of discomfort today.
Korel Laloix: So back on the meds... frowns
Eliza Madrigal: see a bit of a theme today... going too far....
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Xirana Oximoxi: tran·scen·dent (trn-sndnt) adj. 1. Surpassing others; preeminent or supreme. 2. Lying beyond the ordinary range of perception: "fails to achieve a transcendent significance in suffering and squalor" (National Review). 3. Philosophy a. Transcending the Aristotelian categories. b. In Kant's theory of knowledge, being beyond the limits of experience and hence unknowable. 4. Being above and independent of the material universe. Used of the Deity.
Xirana Oximoxi: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/transcendence

Korel Laloix: Thanks.. or just doing too much shortly after a surgury...

Xirana Oximoxi: Korel... we have been talking about the new art project we are preparing about Motion..and now we have just started to talk about the new topic Aph proposes for this week

Xirana Oximoxi: I am sorry you still don't feel well
Xirana Oximoxi: I hope you recover very soon
Eliza Madrigal: important to be careful Korel... no matter what one 'feels' like... good to just follow doc's orders :)
Eliza Madrigal: think of it as a challenge :)
Korel Laloix: I know I know.. but I am stuborn and listless... smiles
Korel Laloix: Taht it is.
Eliza Madrigal smiles, I know

Korel Laloix: What is the new topic?
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: 'transcendence'
Korel Laloix: Ah.. that makes sense... smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: I really would have nothing to say about it
Xirana Oximoxi: but I will read what others explain
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: I once dreamed that I walked out on a clear platform and could see a huge stadium beneath... all the dynamics of a game playing below... could feel the energy which was really wonderful
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh, that's a good dream for Luci sessions :)
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't feel separate from the hoopla, nor was I looking down at them as a 'lesser' sense... but not wrapped up in it either.... suppose it was very specific and contextual to something going through, yes
Eliza Madrigal: but someone said it was a dream of transcendence, at the time
Korel Laloix: Wish I remembered my dreams.
Xirana Oximoxi: did you feel you were in a transcendental 'level' ?
Eliza Madrigal: one can remember just 'feelings' korel, or sensations...
Xirana Oximoxi: I only remember time to time...rarely
Korel Laloix: I think my dreams are all probably unpleasant.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... feeelings are more easy to remember....
Korel Laloix: That is why I don't remember them.. a defense mechanism.
Eliza Madrigal: it wasn't even like I was there... was just an open view... and very enjoyable, celebratory because I didn't take it very seriously
Xirana Oximoxi: that can be
Eliza Madrigal: likely so... also you are very busy at this time of life Korel
Eliza Madrigal: so maybe have 'put off' dealing with some things fully
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Korel Laloix: True.. but my shrink is actually working with my on my dreams.
Korel Laloix: Or at least wants to.

Xirana Oximoxi: hi Zen!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen and Boxy
Xirana Oximoxi: hello boxy! :)
Korel Laloix: osiyo
Zen Arado: Hi all
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: 3 lovely girls and a respectable gentleman :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Korel Laloix: I think I would preffer sexy, but lovely works... smiles
Alfred Kelberry: summer-like eliza :) cute
Alfred Kelberry: kori, ok - sexy butch :)
Korel Laloix: We should do a girls of PaB callender.
Korel Laloix: Very true.
Eliza Madrigal: eep
Korel Laloix: lol
Eliza Madrigal: another string of going too far....
Zen Arado: nude one?
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Xirana Oximoxi: I've snet a notecard to you ...Zen, boxy
Korel Laloix: Just Wol.
Alfred Kelberry: i can be march :)
Xirana Oximoxi: we are jumping from one subject to another ...
Zen Arado: ty Xiri
Eliza Madrigal: why March Boxy?
Eliza Madrigal: 'in motion'
Alfred Kelberry: a nice spring month :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: will wear flowers in your ears?
Korel Laloix smiles
Eliza Madrigal: I think that is one project I'd look down on from above... lollol...
Alfred Kelberry: um... a flowery tiara thing
Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: falcon 9 didn't lift off today
Alfred Kelberry: but oh well. next try on tuesday.
Eliza Madrigal: and facebook fell flat
Korel Laloix: Falcon 9?
Alfred Kelberry: mmm, good news :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: kori, spacex rocket
Zen Arado: I wouldn't buy FB shares
Zen Arado: but what do I know?
Korel Laloix: OH OK>
Xirana Oximoxi: what is 'Falcon 9'?

Alfred Kelberry: it's indented to delivery cargo to iss
Alfred Kelberry: er, intended :)
Zen Arado: it transcends the earth
Korel Laloix: iss?
Alfred Kelberry: kori...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: International Space Station?
Zen Arado: just a guess
Alfred Kelberry: you spend too much time with your stat books, kori :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen, tada!
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: that's really exciting seeing the birth of commercial space industry
Korel Laloix: If you typed it in capitals, I might have been able to figure that out.
Alfred Kelberry: no hints for smart people :)
Alfred Kelberry: but yea. i seldom use uppercase in chat.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix smiles
Eliza Madrigal: what if we become adept at leaving the planet before we become adept at living nicely with it...
Korel Laloix: I think that is what will happen.
Zen Arado: but there's nowhere to go
Eliza Madrigal: seems we always bet that 'something will come up' to fix things
Zen Arado: pragmatically

Alfred Kelberry: kori, do you touch any topics on space exploration related to biostat?
Korel Laloix: We have.
Alfred Kelberry: cool. tell more, please.
Korel Laloix: Long term effects of zero gravity.
Korel Laloix: Skelital issues.
Korel Laloix: Blowel issues.
Korel Laloix: Muscle attrophy.
Zen Arado: muscle wastage
Zen Arado: yep
Korel Laloix: Eye changes.
Alfred Kelberry: yea, 2-4 hours of mandatory exercise every day
Zen Arado: bones weaken
Korel Laloix: Lots of things are tracked.
Korel Laloix: Worse in women.
Zen Arado: need weight on them
Alfred Kelberry: kori, really? why?
Korel Laloix: We process and use calcium from out bones more readily.
Korel Laloix: So related to the disposistion for osteoperosis.
Korel Laloix: I do not know the actual whys though.
Korel Laloix: It was just a small section.
Eliza Madrigal: something to do with fat percentages?
Korel Laloix: Can't even venture a guess.
Alfred Kelberry: *thinks kori is sexy*
Zen Arado: it's as if bones just be as strong as they need to be
Zen Arado: if you are in a wheelchair they weaken too
Zen Arado: leg bones
Eliza Madrigal: so I guess that indeed is one avenue where going into space can give greater perspective on helping here on earth... also in cancer studies?
Korel Laloix: Very.
Alfred Kelberry: kori, anything on zero gravity reproduction?
Korel Laloix: The only thing I read was about one alledged instance of USSR space sex.
Korel Laloix: And a mention about sperm count.
Korel Laloix: No idea the specfics though.
Alfred Kelberry: cool :)
Zen Arado: 10 mile high club?
Eliza Madrigal: 100 000 mile high club...
Korel Laloix: No idea how high space tings fly.
Zen Arado: boxy?
Zen Arado: how high is ISS?
Alfred Kelberry: ~ 300 km
Zen Arado: ok
Alfred Kelberry: it slowly descends then they fire up engines to lift it up
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now... have a nice day all :) see you soon! :-)
Zen Arado: geo stationry orbit
Alfred Kelberry: be good, xiri :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xiri, nice to check in
Zen Arado: je dois aller a lecon de Francais
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Zen Arado: au revoir
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Zen

Alfred Kelberry: iss isn't geo stationary. it's for telecom satellites.
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) what
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Alfred Kelberry: eliza in zero gravity :)
Eliza Madrigal: why be an avatar otherwise?
Alfred Kelberry: good question
Eliza Madrigal: :) specialized conditions
Eliza Madrigal: for certain sorts of questions
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Looks nice.
Eliza Madrigal: feels great
Eliza Madrigal: transcendence as a way to be with the speediness of life without being run over by it...
Eliza Madrigal: boxy does it work for you?
Alfred Kelberry: nope
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Alfred Kelberry: tinies require their own animations

Eliza Madrigal: btw will you take pema up on science topics monday? not sure what I am planning for my session
Eliza Madrigal: science topics gel well with transcendence theme :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm always up for a science topic. like today. no need for a special day for that :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) yeah... but you and pema in same place... time...
Korel Laloix: That sounds fun.
Eliza Madrigal: it does
Alfred Kelberry: perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: guess I will play it as it comes ... think it would/could be interesting :)
Korel Laloix: But some of this will be way over my head.
Eliza Madrigal: that's part of the fun
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i agree :)
Alfred Kelberry: some of what?
Korel Laloix: Science topics.
Alfred Kelberry: oh
Alfred Kelberry: i respectfully disagree :)

Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to do more phenomenology but it isn't a big interest for many so not sure the foundation for traction... and also different angles on that science/philosophy
Korel Laloix: Could be fun.
Alfred Kelberry: i've done pheno and it was fun to a point, but i'm not a fan :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) understand
Eliza Madrigal: lots of different cups o tea
Eliza Madrigal: you are good at asking pema questions boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: i liked that in its core it was conceived as an experiment. pema vs gilles: with a presence of a dissonant point of view.
Eliza Madrigal: yes, but hard to do that unless at least two are quite conversant
Eliza Madrigal: and also disagree
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: better than a groupthink to me
Eliza Madrigal: and there is something about the balance and manners of disagreement too
Eliza Madrigal: like, if there is one angle, then others throw various others on...
Eliza Madrigal: it just falls flat
Eliza Madrigal: no real discovery in that
Alfred Kelberry: yes, things can get harsh in a debate and then it requires a reassessment. going back to the problem at hand, not personalities.
Eliza Madrigal: but um... personalities do that
Eliza Madrigal: so can't separate them
Alfred Kelberry: still, i prefer an occasional harsh quote than ever agreeing nodding
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal nods... balances...
Alfred Kelberry: yes, and personalities are free to choose how to react
Alfred Kelberry: often times it's defensive which is not productive
Korel Laloix: Drugs are hitting.
Korel Laloix: Back to sleep.
Korel Laloix: Tkae care all.
Eliza Madrigal: bye Kori :)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: feel beter
Alfred Kelberry: sleep well :)
Eliza Madrigal: so is there a way that we can frame such discussions better Boxy?
Eliza Madrigal: (daughter behind me saying "what are you doing I am so confused)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: 0g training :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Alfred Kelberry: mom is going to space!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: er: framing, you mean how to stay civilized in a debate? :)
Eliza Madrigal: well, assuming that everyone does not take a course on traditional debate...
Eliza Madrigal: how would 'pab' do this?
Alfred Kelberry: um, depends on a topic discussed, i think
Alfred Kelberry: pab is a group with its own values and if a topic introduced, somehow, challenges these values, there will be a defensive reaction
Eliza Madrigal: one value is dropping coercion I think...
Eliza Madrigal: and that is hard in a 'debate' because people take a sure position...
Alfred Kelberry: yes... harder in practice :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: and what is the aim...
Eliza Madrigal: to test the 9 seconds? :)
Alfred Kelberry: although, we all talk and many of us cultivate non-judgment, we're still human beings in a very judging/biased world. you can't escape it :)
Alfred Kelberry: i don't know :) i think everyone has its own aim
Eliza Madrigal: yes.. yet it is kind of the stance... like 'throw up your hands because that's the way it is' or...
Eliza Madrigal: is there something 'else'
Alfred Kelberry: didn't mean "throwing up hands". my point is that even though we know of virtues of non-judgment, we still judge, cause that's... well, what we do :)
Eliza Madrigal: I like to follow that something 'else' through... and often feel we scratch the surface... of something 'different' than either debate of vague spirituality :)
Eliza Madrigal: *or
Eliza Madrigal: transcending those categories... but, also am not sure without coercion... maybe radical noncoercion...
Alfred Kelberry: scratching the surface would be like a gradual enlightenment? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) like a comfortable splashing in puddles
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: very fun
Eliza Madrigal: few places to do that well, hehe
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's also important to dig with a certain goal
Eliza Madrigal: I guess I just hear you and I sort of asking for something similar but not quite the same...
Eliza Madrigal: ah..
Eliza Madrigal: say more? :)
Alfred Kelberry: it reminds me of non-violence vs revolutionist approach :)
Alfred Kelberry: if i get your scratching concept correctly
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: both have values
Alfred Kelberry: short and long term
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and each have some of the other's values they may not admit to
Alfred Kelberry: heh, yes
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: which again brings us to what i think is the core of dharma - balance :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think the core is humor :) not taking oneself serioiusly
Eliza Madrigal: Eos once said "you're a big joke but don't take it personally" heheh
Eliza Madrigal: of all that we think we know, far more that we don't
Alfred Kelberry: hmm... pondering here
Alfred Kelberry: i think we all have strong opinions about something
Eliza Madrigal: nods
Alfred Kelberry: it would be interesting to explore, what are these for members of pab. supposedly a very balanced, awareness people :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm, it would be in some ways, agree
Alfred Kelberry: something that you will not compromise on. where you draw the line and say this is it. i stand by it.
Alfred Kelberry: well, just a thought for a theme session :)
Eliza Madrigal: but that implies coming to the discussion without room for discovery
Alfred Kelberry: and also a study on judgment :)
Alfred Kelberry: but how about the topics they reveal? isn't it a discovery?
Eliza Madrigal: have to leave a place at the table for the wild card
Eliza Madrigal: yes.. there IS something to that idea
Alfred Kelberry: i'd love to know the boundaries of judgment for an open group like pab
Alfred Kelberry: it could show us the weak points. where things need improvement.
Eliza Madrigal: so we would need to learn to give feedback without being insulting :)
Eliza Madrigal: we are good at the latter
Alfred Kelberry: oh, that's the crucial element of pab, i think
Alfred Kelberry: or should be
Eliza Madrigal: :) wb Golden
Alfred Kelberry: hi, goldy
Golden Aura: ?me smiles Thanks
Golden Aura: Hi boxy
Eliza Madrigal: okay... will keep thinking about this... glad to talk with you about it Boxy...
Alfred Kelberry: open feedback, without holding back
Eliza Madrigal: ah, without holding back...hm...
Alfred Kelberry: me too :)
Golden Aura: Did I miss out on an exciting topic?
Eliza Madrigal: not sure I'd like to throw out decorum
Alfred Kelberry: you can't predict how peopel react or their level of insultedness
Alfred Kelberry: godly, totally :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) well a matter of judgment... but, the lines of being critical and open minded, golden... without being insulting
Alfred Kelberry: we've been poking at the boundaries of judgment
Golden Aura: Omw people find insult in the most innocuous of statements
Golden Aura: Some
Alfred Kelberry: there are people who will be insulted at simple mentioning of their name
Alfred Kelberry: i think the ball is on the receiving side, most of the time
Eliza Madrigal: sure, but there is also a (I think) false idea that one must be insulting to be constructive
Eliza Madrigal: or problem minded
Alfred Kelberry: it would be counter productive to stay mute and miss on something critical because that person may not like what you have to say
Alfred Kelberry: it is false
Golden Aura: Sometimes it is necessary to be provocative just to get people to think
Alfred Kelberry: i know managers though and a whole school that promotes swearing
Alfred Kelberry: i'm not a follower :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: fuck em
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: (decorum suggests not using that as the log title) hahah...
Alfred Kelberry: goldy, more like to get their attention
Alfred Kelberry: thinking requires something different
Eliza Madrigal: but someone who is always swearing fades to the background
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: timing and intention is important... and most think theirs is good
Golden Aura: They need to be knocked out of complacency
Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, some folks do :)
Eliza Madrigal: one person's complacency is another's back burner processing time
Alfred Kelberry: goldy, although, i like to imagine a group of intelligent, problem solving minded group of people :)
Eliza Madrigal: so beginning from that basis.... a kind of benefit of the doubt to start with?
Alfred Kelberry: when your doubt is tested and failed several times, you go to plan b :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) yet there are still marriages...
Eliza Madrigal: (kidding, sorry) heheh
Alfred Kelberry: or plan g for goldy's suggestion :)
Alfred Kelberry: surprisingly so, eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: I am getting loopy... should eat :)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: i like you loopy - eat less! :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks ... hope to continue and 'try' some of these things
Eliza Madrigal: maybe a test group, hah
Eliza Madrigal: of especially balanced types
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: there's no try, yoda used to say :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now, thanks again
Alfred Kelberry: bye
Golden Aura: Bye eliza
Alfred Kelberry: cool boots, goldy
Golden Aura: Thanks
Golden Aura: They are a pair I've had for a while
Alfred Kelberry: you rival ms aga herself!
Golden Aura: but they seemed to go well with the rest of the ensemble
Alfred Kelberry: aha, that's it
Alfred Kelberry: well, if you're interested in the test of judgment, come here on monday
Golden Aura: What's happening on Monday?
Alfred Kelberry: for eliza's session, if she decided to go with it
Alfred Kelberry: decides
Alfred Kelberry: don't know... just a proposal, an idea to see the boundaries of judgment. a place where we stand firmly and will not compromise on anything.
Golden Aura: You never have to compromise if you are right
Alfred Kelberry: yes, if :)
Golden Aura: And you never should compromise of you are wrong
Alfred Kelberry: it's a take on not righteousness, but dropping of judgment
Golden Aura: It would be dishonest
Alfred Kelberry: so, come if you like
Golden Aura: What time?
Alfred Kelberry: er
Alfred Kelberry: not sure :)
Alfred Kelberry: 7 am maybe
Golden Aura: I will be in RL work
Alfred Kelberry: poop
Golden Aura grins
Alfred Kelberry: well, i'm off now
Alfred Kelberry: you be good
Golden Aura: ok
Golden Aura: bye