2008.10.08 19:00 - Thoughts Have Edges

stevenaia Michigana was substituting for himself as Guardian tonight as my substitute was still not feeling well.  The comments are stevenaia's

  

Arriving with my usual slow rezz, I wasn't sure who  was here or where they were sitting, I invited a new friend I recently met who thought she would enjoy our little group. with that I was doing a newcomer's run through of the basis of this group, something I had already started prior to inviting her.  Avastu and Adelene weren't initially talkative, but after listening to me for a while, they couldn't help themselves.  

 
stevenaia Michigana: hello Adelene
stevenaia Michigana: is there anyone else here?
Adelene Dawner: Just me.
stevenaia Michigana: ...smiles
Adelene Dawner: :)
stevenaia Michigana: seems my substitute is still under the weather so I am filling in for myself tonight
Adelene Dawner: hehe
stevenaia Michigana: should have changed my avatar ... or borrowed hers
Adelene Dawner: *snerk*
stevenaia Michigana: there, removed my 3 day old beer
stevenaia Michigana: do i appear floating to you?
Adelene Dawner: yup
stevenaia Michigana: hmm, not much I can do about that, must be the beginings of something
Adelene Dawner: :)
stevenaia Michigana: I invited a new friend from indonesia, who said she may be interested, hoping she arrives
stevenaia Michigana: hello Rae, welcome
stevenaia Michigana: rezz a moment and have a seat
Rae Inglewood: hello steve
Rae Inglewood: hi adelene
stevenaia Michigana: this is where we meet
Adelene Dawner: hi :)
Rae Inglewood: great. is the discussion starting?
stevenaia Michigana: we record these sessions and post them, is that ok?
Rae Inglewood: yes.
stevenaia Michigana: yes , we start at 7:00 SL time
Rae Inglewood: ok
stevenaia Michigana: did you get a chance to look through the Wiki?
Rae Inglewood: no, not yet.
stevenaia Michigana: there, I should be wearing my Guardian hat tonight
Adelene Dawner: Love to you, Avastu :)
stevenaia Michigana: since may or april we have been meeting here to discuss, amoung other thing , out 9 second meditation practice, where we take 9 seconds every 1/4 hour and observe
Avastu Maruti: love to you my friends
stevenaia Michigana: hello, I didn;t see you arrive, Avastu
Rae Inglewood: hi avastu
Avastu Maruti smiles
stevenaia Michigana: This is Rae, my new friend from Indonesia... or is it Singapore?
Rae Inglewood: both are correct
stevenaia Michigana: ...smile, thank you
stevenaia Michigana: I was begining to atempt to explani what we do here, or at least how we try to do it
stevenaia Michigana: but since I am one of the less focused practicioners, it;s best to dig in to the wiki for a more complete background

  

Two people using VOICE flew by and stopped in for a moment asking what we were about but left before I got their  permission to record...

stevenaia Michigana: hello XXXXX1 and XXXX2
XXXXXX1: hi
stevenaia Michigana: welcome to our meeting
stevenaia Michigana: we record these sessions if that ok with you, and post them on our Wiki
stevenaia Michigana: is that ok?
stevenaia Michigana: or not
stevenaia Michigana: I usually take the time at the 1/4 hour, when the gong chimes to try to take a 9 second pause and see what emerges from that
stevenaia Michigana: there
stevenaia Michigana: it usually takes you whereever it chooses, but as with any excercise tool, the more you use it, the more you refine how you use it (a personal view)
stevenaia Michigana: care to add anything.. anybody?
stevenaia Michigana: seems Rae is focusing a bit more than 9 seconds (her AWAY is showing)
Adelene Dawner: hehe
Adelene Dawner has had a long day and is content to just be here. :)
Avastu Maruti: where else can you be?
Adelene Dawner chuckles. "Yes Avastu. 'Content' and 'just' are the relevant words there, though."
stevenaia Michigana: well, that is the point, after all, to be here
stevenaia Michigana: I just woke Rae up.... smile
Rae Inglewood: sorry, I was just visiting the wiki
stevenaia Michigana: awww, you seemed to be engrossed
Rae Inglewood: i have to admit I'm curious, so I'm here to observe and see what happens
stevenaia Michigana: so Avastu, you seem to visit and observe often, sometimes, I see you speak a months worth of words now and then, I woudl love to hear your impressions as it relates to anything you want to relate it to?
Avastu Maruti: hahaha
stevenaia Michigana: :)
Avastu Maruti: it comes as it comes
Avastu Maruti: like vomit
stevenaia Michigana: hmm, the first physical analogy I ever heard from you, not sure how I should take that
Avastu Maruti: hahaha
Avastu Maruti: questions come, answers come - what I am is never involved
Rae Inglewood: so what are you avastu?
Avastu Maruti: the same as you, my friend
Avastu Maruti: pure Being
stevenaia Michigana: Rae, tonight seems to be a night of people of few words...
stevenaia Michigana: I seem to be the chatty one
Rae Inglewood: that's ok really.

Adelene and Avastu offered interesting videos.  Claire Beltran arrives for a scant moment

Adelene Dawner: here, have a thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDSAAlrqAHM
Avastu Maruti: right back to you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c70Jh_UWYCE
Avastu Maruti: nice beat, Ade
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
stevenaia Michigana: Hello Claire
Claire Beltran: Oh, hello ^-^/
Rae Inglewood: hi claire
stevenaia Michigana: we were actually watching a you tube and welcoming my new friend Rae to our little group
Claire Beltran: Welcome, Rae!
Rae Inglewood: thanks :)
stevenaia Michigana: thanks Ade, nice ending
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Claire Beltran: I'm afraid I must go for a while... but what is this video?
stevenaia Michigana: it will be in the wiki when I post it, here is is again
stevenaia Michigana: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FDSAAlrqAHM
Claire Beltran: Thanks!
Claire Beltran: Bye, all!
Adelene Dawner: Thinking is generally not happening right now, but part of that vid did register, Avastu, and if you are knowing that no I-am-Being mantra is needed, why are you doing one?
Avastu Maruti: huh?
Adelene Dawner: mr
Adelene Dawner: I will ask that again sometime when thoughts have edges. Perhaps it will make more sense.
Avastu Maruti: ok my friend
Rae Inglewood: thoughts have edges?
Adelene Dawner: Not sure I can explain, Rae.
stevenaia Michigana: Interesting vid Avashtu, even without the beat
stevenaia Michigana: scratch the "h"
Adelene Dawner: Reality-is that my brain is wired a bit oddly. When I'm very tired, that oddness becomes more relevant. Right now, something like thought is happening, but it's even less like what's generally called thought that what I usually do. :) Everything's very flowy, I can't see the edges of things, so I can't really package part of the pattern up and call it *a* thought and express that thought.
Rae Inglewood: so you mean one thought merges into another?
Adelene Dawner: They always do that. I can usually find the ... ... places that you would consider edges, though.
Rae Inglewood: places that have edge, I suppose when a thought has an edge, there's some level of coherency to one's thinking?>
Adelene Dawner: Not-accurate, Rae.
Adelene Dawner: The pattern is coherent.
Rae Inglewood: some sort of structure as opposed to a free flowing merger of one idea and thought after another?
Adelene Dawner sighs...
Adelene Dawner: Structure is unnecessary for coherence.
Adelene Dawner: Useful for communication, but unnecessary for basic coherence-of-experience.
Rae Inglewood: true
Adelene Dawner: "the map is not the territory"
Avastu Maruti smiles
Avastu Maruti: brilliant
Adelene Dawner chuckles. "I've been tempted to send you my source for that, but I'm not sure you'd appreciate it."^.^
Adelene Dawner: http://www.overcomingbias.com/
Avastu Maruti: stranger in a strange land?
Adelene Dawner: rationalist blog. science and artificial-inteligence focus. Lots of overlap with the teachings here, if you look at it from the right angle.
Adelene Dawner: specifically look at the writings by Eliezer Yudkowsky
Avastu Maruti: I will - thank you
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Avastu Maruti: http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/7b.htm#nothing
Avastu Maruti: you'd probably like heidegger
Adelene Dawner: ...not today.
Avastu Maruti: hahaha
Adelene Dawner forwards it to future-Ann, maybe she'll appreciate it. ^.^
Avastu Maruti: hahaha - brilliant again!
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Avastu Maruti: you're on a roll, my friend
Avastu Maruti: this mush-brain state is very cool
stevenaia Michigana: haha
Adelene Dawner: not surprised you like it ^.^ though this state *without* being in too much pain to look at a computer screen is quite rare.
Avastu Maruti: so what does silence look like?
Adelene Dawner: beautiful... but, everything's beautiful... black like an unlit cave. Beautiful purity.
Avastu Maruti smiles
Rae Inglewood: nice
stevenaia Michigana: The hour has passed, feel free to continue, I will continue logging for a bit
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Rae Inglewood: it has been an interesting hour everyone. Thanks for your welcome.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Adelene Dawner: good to have you, Rae.
stevenaia Michigana: yes, thanks for joiniung us and feel free to attend any other seeions at a more convenient time for you
Rae Inglewood: I'll try that. For now, it's back to RL. Have a good evening everyone.
stevenaia Michigana: enjoy
Avastu Maruti: love to you my friend
Adelene Dawner: Love to you, Rae :)
Rae Inglewood: :)
Adelene Dawner: Silence - black as an unlit cave, with the merest sparkle of a raven's wings... deep, deep potentiality.
Avastu Maruti: sounds like the Batcave
stevenaia Michigana: nice to share it with you

Adelene Dawner: ^.^