The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Agatha Macbeth waves to the recorder
   --BELL--1300
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Mick
Mickorod Renard: how u doing?
Agatha Macbeth: It's still laggy here I'm afraid :(
Mickorod Renard: no worries
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: i cant see u yet
Agatha Macbeth: But I think Stormy is sorting it out
Agatha Macbeth: Fine, you?
Mickorod Renard: I read that on a email
Mickorod Renard: yes ta
Mickorod Renard: i dont want to sit on you
Agatha Macbeth: Lines aren't appearing till five minutes after I've said them
Mickorod Renard: I think i am getting them
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully, the recorder will pick everything up ok
Agatha Macbeth: It did last week
Mickorod Renard: I dont think thats so important
Mickorod Renard: have u had some hot weather?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it's lovely
Mickorod Renard: toasting here
Agatha Macbeth: been doing the gardens
Mickorod Renard: yea, I had a go in the garden
Mickorod Renard: but last three days I been doin summer school
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Summer school eh?
Mickorod Renard: yes, just a few days worth of showin kids some stuff
Wol Euler: evening all
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful what you show kids ;-)
Mickorod Renard: good job I dont teach English
Wol Euler: hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
Mickorod Renard: grin
Wol Euler: ♥
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
Agatha Macbeth: How is Stuttgart?
Wol Euler: hot
Agatha Macbeth: Here too
Wol Euler: has to be 30 degrees still, though the sun set an hour ago
Mickorod Renard: not much air
Wol Euler: yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Summer seems to come later each year
Agatha Macbeth: Just starting to get dark here
Wol Euler: well you are quite a bit north (and west) of us
Agatha Macbeth: Been dreaming much Mick?
Mickorod Renard: no
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: awwwww
Mickorod Renard: funny thing is, I am interested in dreams and the whole thing behind it
Mickorod Renard: whatever that is
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, me too
Mickorod Renard: I dont have an issue with dreaming
   --BELL--1315
Agatha Macbeth nods
Mickorod Renard: or any worries about dreaming or any aspect of my madness
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Well we're all mad to one degree or another
Mickorod Renard: exactly
Wol Euler chuckles.
Mickorod Renard: unfortunatly last dream session I was bombarded with IM's and I couldnt really get my teeth into what we were talking about
Wol Euler: huh
Wol Euler: yeah, that happens
Agatha Macbeth: Can't you set to Busy?
Mickorod Renard: somewhere I must presume I didnt articulate well and was left with the notion I was agrevating people
Wol Euler: I just tell people "too many IMs, I'll reply but pls wait"
Agatha Macbeth: No, that certainly wasn't the case
Mickorod Renard: well, as usual one always think the im is finnished and yet it never is
Agatha Macbeth: I think Max was just having trouble grasping the thread so to speak
Mickorod Renard: mmmm
Agatha Macbeth: Hard to be focused when one is distracted
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Also hard to be focused when one is laggy :(
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: sure, but I still feel that from a research point of view,,not for any personal reasons,,,that regression (like when used during hypnotism or suggestion at least just conjure up thoughts that may well eminate from the same source as dreams
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Wol Euler: sure, it's possible
Agatha Macbeth: The Doors of Perception and all that
Mickorod Renard: or if not, why is not hypnotic suggestion used to retrieve dreams?
Mickorod Renard: but primarily, is regression through suggestion/hypnotism genuine?
Wol Euler: past-life regression?
Agatha Macbeth: I think hypnosis is one of the analyst's main tools
Mickorod Renard: I have never experienced it
Wol Euler: I am extremely skeptical, because the past lives I've heard reported were all of rich and powerful people
Agatha Macbeth: I think there are two schools of thought there
Mickorod Renard: past life regression could be another interesting avenue as this is more likely to be fictional and like dreams
Mickorod Renard: thats my take Wol
Wol Euler: why was nobody's regressed past life as a butcher or a street sweeper, or a sewer worker?
Wol Euler: even in ancient Egypt, there were more sewer workers than Pharaohs
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe some have, but they don't make news
Mickorod Renard: exactly, and yet one would think an analyst would have a position on the practice
Wol Euler: if it were true, there should be thousands of "I was a dog-shit gatherer" for every cleopatra
Mickorod Renard: I have an opinion
Agatha Macbeth: Did Cleo have lots of dogs then?
Wol Euler listens.
Wol Euler looks encouragingly at Mick
Agatha Macbeth polishes Mick's head
Mickorod Renard: I think it works like booze, some folk just get carried away when pissed and say all sorts,,being under the influence of suggestion may well release someones responsibility to be honest
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: very possible, like all the cases of false child abuse by suggestion
Mickorod Renard: perhaps
Agatha Macbeth: And phantom social workers
Mickorod Renard: strangely enough I have experienced some side issues to this
Mickorod Renard: I underwent training on a two fold aspect
Wol Euler listens.
Mickorod Renard: one was to convince people to tell the truth, the other was to reverse it in a way to become less suseptible to giving in
Mickorod Renard: in other words, to become more able to wean the truth out of people
   --BELL--1330
Mickorod Renard: and secondly to resist being subjected to what I was expected to do to others
Mickorod Renard: but if regression in a clinical practice is genuine, why cant it be used to understand dreaming?
Agatha Macbeth: To be honest, I don't know
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Fox could tell us
Wol Euler: dunno
Mickorod Renard: nor me, ,,there may be a rational explanation,,i am no conspiracy theorist (well maybe I am a lil)
Wol Euler: hehehhe
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should ask David Icke?
Mickorod Renard: if I could use regression to take someone back to their foggoten dream and relate it it would be interesting
Agatha Macbeth: and yes, agreed Mick
Mickorod Renard: there was nothing more than that in my comments the other day
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: We were worried you might be looking for an answer we couldn't give you
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: I am just facinated about everything,,but if I were to say what trade I think of myself as being in I would label myself 'engineer' and that makes me want to understand things
Mickorod Renard: and to be able to explain
Agatha Macbeth: That sounds like Yaku ;-)
Mickorod Renard: I am sure he suffers like me
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm :p
Mickorod Renard: I am the type that will take everything apart to find its workings
Mickorod Renard: thats what the kids at school like me for
Wol Euler: heheheh
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler: somebody they can learn from°
Wol Euler: !
Agatha Macbeth: The analyst at work
Mickorod Renard: all kids should be inquisitive,,I am their aid
Wol Euler: agreed
Agatha Macbeth: And not just kids
Wol Euler: again, agreed :)
Agatha Macbeth: There are way too many ignorant adults
Wol Euler: that's pretty much what dropping is about :)
Mickorod Renard: we trashed about 20 laptops a few months ago,,I offered to give any of them £20 if one worked afterwards
Mickorod Renard: I kept my money
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: my belief about education: somebody who can read and has not had their curiosity beaten out, will educate themsevles
Wol Euler: teach kids to read, teach them to get along with each other, and then stand aside
Mickorod Renard: I ponder this often,,even today several times..education seems to be locked into conformity,,sadly
Wol Euler: the myth of measurability
Agatha Macbeth: Nothing much has changed then I guess
Wol Euler: oh I disagree, or perhaps I just was veyr lucky
   --BELL--1345
Wol Euler: had good, brave teachers
Mickorod Renard: well, i am on the outside in the politics of it all, but even the teachers I think, are conditioned to accept conformity as the right thing
Mickorod Renard: I suppose its containment of a potential runaway monster
Agatha Macbeth: Come back monster!
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth watches Godzilla disappear over the hill
Agatha Macbeth: closely followed by King Kong
Agatha Macbeth: Whatever happened to all the good monster films?
Wol Euler: they got big budgets and started taking themselves seriously
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: A bit like the Spice Girls then
Wol Euler: exactly
Wol Euler: with fewer tattoos
Mickorod Renard: yea, its like video games,,its all cosmetic and no additional ...something
Agatha Macbeth: Godzilla had no tats?
Wol Euler: none
Agatha Macbeth: Intelligence?
Mickorod Renard: may have had the odd coal scar on his arse
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Well, possibly
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if he ever went to Newcastle?
Wol Euler: or Dungeness?
Wol Euler: (strange name, always looks misspelled)
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a female Dungen?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Miss Spelled, change instruments
Mickorod Renard: one of my grandfathers was a miner and was crushed badly, it was said that he looked like he had been tatoo'd all over from the coal graizing
Agatha Macbeth: Boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Wol Euler: hello
Wol Euler: boxy
Mickorod Renard: Hi Alf
Agatha Macbeth: Nose - here - now!
Alfred Kelberry: hmm, my nose feels nice and soft
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Pighty Mirate
Alfred Kelberry: mgatha aacbeth :)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Mickorod Renard: I am gonna sneak over to Rhi's poem session in a minute
Agatha Macbeth: How's the Spanish Main
Alfred Kelberry: so, how are you today?
Alfred Kelberry: spain is well. sunny.
Agatha Macbeth: She's into poetry now?
Wol Euler: and I to a live concert
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: Jordan Reyne
Agatha Macbeth: Not Gracie?
Mickorod Renard: I heard of him
Wol Euler: I would if she were on :)
Alfred Kelberry: so, the meeting is over?
Wol Euler: but she introduced me to Jordan so it can't be too bad
Agatha Macbeth: Does he have a sister called Acid?
Alfred Kelberry: acid burn
Mickorod Renard: married a scotish poet?
Agatha Macbeth: Alf, I have a theory your clock should be set an hour earlier
Wol Euler: yes, I agree with that :)
Mickorod Renard: I third that
Wol Euler: always comes right at the end of [whatever]
Agatha Macbeth: He must be on cardboard dog time
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Fancy coming at the end...
Wol Euler: a zone of its own
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Mickorod Renard: ok, I am off to get a seat at the poem place,,wherever that is
Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
Wol Euler: and I to hear the music
Wol Euler: anyone want to come?
Agatha Macbeth: Rhyme well Mick
   --BELL--1400
Mickorod Renard: is it on sl then Wol?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like I'll have an early night then
Mickorod Renard: I may ask for a tp in a few mins
Wol Euler: awwww <3
Wol Euler: goodnight, take care; and mick, glad to
Wol Euler: bye boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: break on through to the other side!!!
Mickorod Renard: nite nite all
Alfred Kelberry: zomg
Agatha Macbeth: Guard the fountain Alf
Alfred Kelberry: you girls have good sex tonight
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: always
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth: We always do :p
Alfred Kelberry: and don't forget to clean up the toys after
Alfred Kelberry: poof!

Toys?