2008.10.25 13:00 - Hearts and hedgehogs

Wol Euler was Guardian, filling in for Storm. I appeared as a swirling cloud of tiny red and orange hearts, which were referred to several times and gave us our topic and title. Photos will be posted as soon as I can figure out to get them out of my Inventory into RL.

Wol Euler: hello rotating gaya
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. ah there you are
Wol Euler: I'm in disguise.
Wol Euler: I am in fact Storm Nordwind :-)
Gaya Ethaniel: rezzing... slow...
Wol Euler: sorta kinda
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Wol Euler: hello doug, long time no see.
Gaya Ethaniel: wow... autumn forest?
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Wol Euler: flurry of hearts, but it does seem seasonal.

Doug returns from his adventures Away. 

doug Sosa: hi, been traveling..
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: look amazing Wol
Wol Euler: ty :)
doug Sosa: hi

Adams arrives at high speed, shooting right through the Pavilion and out the other side. 

Wol Euler: adams whooshes through.
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: Greetings everyone :)
Adams Rubble: Wol?
Wol Euler: hello again
Wol Euler: yep, I'm here.
Adams Rubble wonderes whether they are hearts or Wol has had autumn drop on her
Wol Euler: both :-)
Wol Euler: hearts but seasonally coloured
Faenik: could be
Adams Rubble: :)
Wol Euler puts on a deep, gruff voice and Scottish accent.
Wol Euler: I'm filling in for Storm, who is on a retreat this weekend. Does anyone have anything PaB-ish that they would like to discuss?
Adams Rubble: Ah, that is right, I forgot. That is nice of you and you too Gaya for all those 1 o'clocks
Adams Rubble: My RL self is cowering in a corner and I am just an avatar :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: naah, he's a pussycat really.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. np about 1am slots*
Wol Euler: and for me no problem with the 1 pms, mid evening.
Adams Rubble: Doug, you are very quiet today
Adams Rubble never sure whether I can get here on Saturdays
Adams Rubble: It's raining here today :)
Adams Rubble: in RL that is
Adams Rubble: nice and sunny here in SL
Wol Euler: as always. How dull.
Adams Rubble thinks it is lovely
Wol Euler looks expectantly at Gaya.
Wol Euler: ah, well :)
Adams Rubble: Your hearts would be blown away Wol
Gaya Ethaniel smiles... a truly lovely AV
Wol Euler: ah, but that is good, it would spread me all over the world!
Adams Rubble: ah
Wol Euler: it's called "Love is all around" by Yeti Bling.
Adams Rubble: One little piece of Wol in every sim
Wol Euler: mmmmm :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. ty
Faenik loves wells!
Wol Euler: ah, I haven't seen that outfit in a while, Gaya.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. happy memories with this one. ty Wol...
Adams Rubble: brb
Wol Euler: kk
Gaya Ethaniel: sure
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. np
Adams Rubble: back
Adams Rubble: Gaya you've changed
Gaya Ethaniel: wb. yes
Wol Euler: nd again
Gaya Ethaniel: no more I promise
Wol Euler: nono, as you please.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles

Finally we settle down to business.

Gaya Ethaniel: so... what's the topic?
Gaya Ethaniel: heart?
Wol Euler: so far nobody has offered one.
Wol Euler: sure, why not.
Wol Euler: lead off :)
Gaya Ethaniel: heart may know better than head... what's your thoughts on this?
Faenik: why not?
Wol Euler: they know different things, perhaps, like the fox and the hedgehog
Wol Euler: "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing."
Adams Rubble asks what is that
Wol Euler: http://www.kheper.net/topics/typolog..._Hedgehog.html
Adams Rubble: oh no
Gaya Ethaniel reads
Wol Euler: sorry :)
Wol Euler: if "heart" is intuition, then it often does know long before the head, yes.
Gaya Ethaniel listens... head needs time to process that information?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Gaya Ethaniel: what is intuition/heart? where does it come from?
Gaya Ethaniel: (obviously not from head right?)
Wol Euler: wb adams
Faenik: ah :)
Wol Euler: good question, where _does_ intuition come from?
Gaya Ethaniel: wb
Adams Rubble: Sorry my computer is not happy
Wol Euler: sorry to hear it :-)
Wol Euler gives Adams' computer a cookie.
Adams Rubble didn;t find out what hedgehog knows
Wol Euler: oh, heheheh
Wol Euler: the hedgehog-type person has a single big idea, and sees the whole world through it.
Adams Rubble: Is that the head or heart?
Wol Euler: Moses for instance, or McCarthy and his Communist-under-every-bed mania
Adams Rubble: Moses and McCarthy in same sentence (Adams faints)
Wol Euler: hehehehehe
Wol Euler: it won't happen again.
Adams Rubble wondering whether hedgehog is heart or head
Wol Euler: yeh me too :)
Wol Euler: it was a spur-of-the-moment suggestion.
Adams Rubble: hehe Wol

Doug vanishes.

Adams Rubble: Doug did more than faint
Wol Euler: well, it is 1:29
Adams Rubble: ah, it is 4:29 here
Wol Euler: but having made the suggestion: I think that hte heart is the hedgehog.
Adams Rubble: hmmmm
Wol Euler: its big idea is love, and that is all it wants to know about.
Wol Euler: intuition comes from the heart. When your intuition says "no" to somebody or something, it is saying "there's something there that I cannot love"
Wol Euler: but it cant tell you what that is.
Wol Euler: that is the head's job.
Wol Euler: the head is the fox, endlessly fascinated by many small things
Adams Rubble isn't good with this head/heart stuff
Gaya Ethaniel: cannot love. why not?
Wol Euler: because you recognize that they are ... whatever: mass-murderers, sociopaths, violently inclined.
Adams Rubble: oh my
Wol Euler: taking "love" in a very broad way.
Gaya Ethaniel ponders
Wol Euler: or simply "not nice" :)
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Wol Euler: Look, this isn't gospel :) I am thinkng on my feet, trying to see if the suggestion makes any sense.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. I know... sorry to put you on the spot

Adams checks out. 

Adams Rubble: Folks, I keep doing this but RL is calling me again
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Wol Euler smiles and sighs. take care, adams
Wol Euler: see you anon
Adams Rubble not all that good on planning this weekend
Faenik loves wells!
Wol Euler: it happens.
Gaya Ethaniel: it's tricky when head attempts to understand heart hey Wol
Adams Rubble: yes anon
Wol Euler: bye for now
Adams Rubble: the heart can follow the head
Wol Euler: Gaya, the rverse is also true. Head says "good god, how can you love that person?", heart answers "no idea, but I do"
Adams Rubble: bye :)
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Wol Euler: bye, adams
Gaya Ethaniel: person or thing... could be anything right
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Gaya Ethaniel: trouble comes when one rejects the other (heart/head)... disagree I mean
Wol Euler: disharmony :)
Gaya Ethaniel: what do you normally use to settle?
Wol Euler: well, "normal" is shifting. My head ruled absolutely for many years, I am learning to listen to my heart. Switching over is a slow process.
Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
Wol Euler: and you?
Gaya Ethaniel: a mixture... but follow heart a bit more perhaps
Wol Euler nods
Gaya Ethaniel: often problematic following heart if head doesn't understand why. making connection between heart/head rather difficult for me
Faenik: indeed?
Wol Euler: why is that?
Gaya Ethaniel: refuse to listen I guess
Gaya Ethaniel: attempt to think first maybe?
Wol Euler: could be :)
Gaya Ethaniel: so pins dropped when you said [13:23] Wol Euler: if "heart" is intuition, then it often does know long before the head, yes.
Wol Euler: ah :)
Wol Euler: well, that is probably universally true. ther are many names for it: gut feeling, instinct

"Ich kann ihn nicht riechen."

Wol Euler: the Germans "I can't stand the smell of him" about somebody that htey are uncomfortable with for reasons they can't really explain.
Wol Euler: which is intuition again. the heart knows something is wrong there, before the head finds a reason
Gaya Ethaniel: so back to the question... where does intuition come from? also... how does head find reasons?
Wol Euler: I'm not sure, what do you think?
Gaya Ethaniel is thinking furiously
Wol Euler fans your brow.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: intuition... it doesn't seem to be simply biological...
Gaya Ethaniel: reasons... tend to find them better when I let things to pan out naturally
Faenik loves wells!
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Gaya Ethaniel: similar in a way... the process of how head works... just takes longer than heart
Wol Euler: the heart judges on "evidence" that the head cannot see, perhaps.
Gaya Ethaniel: Threedee talked about gut feelings a few times before
Wol Euler: it may be in a way biological, in that it relies on clues that cannot be consciously perceived, like micro-expressions or indeed smell.
Gaya Ethaniel: perhaps people who rely on heart more are similar to the hedgehog type
Gaya Ethaniel: yes he talked in 'body' terms re: gut feelings
Wol Euler: they would probably make faster and sharper distinctions than those who use the head.
Gaya Ethaniel: but in public matters, making decisions based on gut feelings are not appreciated so much as the background of the decisions has to be communicated/understood by others
Gaya Ethaniel: (well even in private matters)
Wol Euler nods
Gaya Ethaniel: what made you to start switching from head to heart?
Wol Euler: realizing that I wasn't getting very far, or rather that it couldn't take me where I wanted to go
Wol Euler: and also perhaps trusting myself to listen to my heart
Gaya Ethaniel: interesting... always though head would take me further
Wol Euler: well, that depends on where you are and where you would rather be :-)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Faenik: could be
Gaya Ethaniel: shame we can't watch ourselves living in multiverse, walking on different paths
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: life needs a "reload saved version" button :)
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: ah well that's life I guess
Wol Euler: yep
Gaya Ethaniel: another meeting to go. nice to see you again Wol. enjoyed the discussion
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Wol Euler: bye gaya, nice to see you
Wol Euler: enjoy the evening
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. you too ty