2009.05.30 07:00 - Philoxed

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.

    The meeting started and ended with Yakuzza and Mickorod


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you got a ktm ?
    Mickorod Renard: no,,but I have several other bikes
    Mickorod Renard: how bout you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t have a motobike
    Mickorod Renard: a.ha
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,bikes are a bit addictive
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where are you from ?
    Mickorod Renard: I dont seem to ride so much these days
    Mickorod Renard: from the UK
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, what is the top speed there ?
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Mickorod Renard: 70mph
    Mickorod Renard: but that is where bikes are fun
    Mickorod Renard: because you tend to go a lil faster
    Mickorod Renard: but you can be selective,,nd do it descretely
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was just thinking because of the ktm pullover
    Mickorod Renard: yea,ell I have a kawasaki ninja 900cc,and a Harley

    Mickorod Renard: 1600
    Mickorod Renard: that I use regular
    Mickorod Renard: and 2 old bikes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: then i don´t wish you a piston jamming
    Mickorod Renard: the kawasaki is a sports bike..and the harley a slow chopper type of thing
    Mickorod Renard: but for me they have been an escape,,almost meditational
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have you read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance ? :)
    Mickorod Renard: no, although I have wanted to for a while
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also not reading enough
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats what i think about most often
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how i can get myself into the right concentrated way to read anything to the end
    Mickorod Renard: well I try and read quite a bit
    Mickorod Renard: I have regular science journal
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which one ?
    Mickorod Renard: and also I read books like,,Neal Stephensons
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the diamond age
    Mickorod Renard: yes..done that one
    Mickorod Renard: I am just finnishing his latest
    Mickorod Renard: Anathum
    Mickorod Renard: its very good
    Mickorod Renard: I have new scientist
    Mickorod Renard: just to keep me ahead of the changes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so ur an engineer ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus is just a worker
    Mickorod Renard: I think I have read most of stephensons books now
    Mickorod Renard: I have done many jobs in my life..but at present am involved in education,,design and technology




     A good level of education is so important, but doesnt have to be everything


    Mickorod Renard: before it was mostly government work
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so u attended college
    Mickorod Renard: I work at a college
    Yakuzza Lethecus: high school then
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: its fun
    Mickorod Renard: what about you if I may ask?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was on the realschule after that i attended a school for informationstechnische assistenten and then i was to scared of attending college so i made a practical apprenticeship to become a ,,zerspanungsmechaniker" metal worker
    Mickorod Renard: very nice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not really
    Mickorod Renard: we have some things in comon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think much about that and why i was too scared and i search for explanations because i wasn´t even to lazy in my view
    Mickorod Renard: I was much the same Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: its frustrating,,because I now come across alot of succesful people who are clearly not as intelligent as myself. Not that i am that intelligent.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ur using voice sometimes ?
    Mickorod Renard: no,,I shouldnt be
    Mickorod Renard: I also ruined my education when I was young
    Mickorod Renard: and the cycle carries on as my son is dipping out like I did
    Yakuzza Lethecus: dipping out of school ? you mean high school drop out ?
    Mickorod Renard: I think he is too proud to fail,,so he is looking at ways of avoiding being tested
    Mickorod Renard: yep yaku,,it is most frustrating
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also scared about beeing tested most of the time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: especially when i know that i want something but i feel to stupid
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i really spend more time and in the end i feel so dumb
    Mickorod Renard: I think that is a natural feeling..but somehow we must find the strenth,,because otherwise others will take your place

    Sometimes philosophy can be dificult for non academics to get into due to lack of vocabulary

    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i think much on what in our evironment got influence on our ontogenesis
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and make psychologie and philosophy to an hobby
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but its hard to get the right contacts when ur just want to listen to them
    Mickorod Renard: what would be your ideal wish regarding that?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, its complcated but i still look for an ideal
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like that i everybody would be trying to say things in an more elaborated way
    Mickorod Renard: true
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and be able to reason about everything
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for me it´s hard because i never really learned to reason
    Mickorod Renard: but i was wondering wheth there are things that you want to try in SL..like philo classes?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://thephilosophyclass.blogspot.com/
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://users.manchester.edu/Facstaff/SSNaragon/OnlineIntro/Online/Readings-SL.html
    Mickorod Renard: I spent perhaps a year at Herman Bergsons philo class
    Mickorod Renard: thanks
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it is hermans
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,on SL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the first one
    Mickorod Renard: well I enjoyed it very much
    Mickorod Renard: but eventualy moved on
    Mickorod Renard: but it was a good place to start,,and get into debate in a well structured way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for me it´s even learn to read and find people who are maybe interested in philosophy psychologie
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is complicated when i try to understand how our scientific system works
    Yakuzza Lethecus: its so overwhelming much
    Mickorod Renard: it is for everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: kuhn, popper, feyerabend
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example i just looked into a book by af chalmers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what is this thing called science
    Mickorod Renard: oh yes
    Mickorod Renard: well,,some of it is complicated
    Mickorod Renard: and I never realy understood much
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to kill the term complicated out of my vocabular
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least out of my thoughts that word is a killer
    Mickorod Renard: however, you soon come to realise that most dont know it all either
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure the stuff is complicated but i somehow seem to recall ,,thats complicated" easier then the true semantics
    Mickorod Renard: I came to the conclusion that most of it is theoretics,,and nyone can do that regardles of the language.....i became disenchanted in that some debate became nothing more than a play ground for people s eloquent words
    Mickorod Renard: dont let it put you off
    Mickorod Renard: I am english..but I dont know half the english words that they use in philo
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no i enjoy the philosophical perspectives so far
    Mickorod Renard: good
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i obviously don´t understand everything
    Mickorod Renard: and it grows on you,,without u realising
    Mickorod Renard: like a skill in welding techniques
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, that implicid learning is what i head for
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but there are even some factors preventing me from learning by the way
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like people even less educated then i am and want my time constantly
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i am not really educated
    Mickorod Renard: hey,,I know all about that,,its happening to me all the time too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: there is a problem because i can´t even think abstract and talk about what i am reading about
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that prevents me even from learning how to talk about educational topics emotionalless
    Mickorod Renard: I can understand your frustration
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so when i try to talk about freud, vygostky, piaget bandura or erikson i have nobody
    Yakuzza Lethecus: its just words related to different stage theories
    Mickorod Renard: can you explain more , in how you would like to discuss those topics?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or language who knows about chomsky and skinner
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just when i read about that
    Yakuzza Lethecus: beeing able to discuss that, because i am really interested in how we develop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how it came that i hated english but then after school i had no problem picking up the language without and efford
    Mickorod Renard: well i can tell you of someone here in SL,,in fact in PaB,,who would love to talk to u about them
    Yakuzza Lethecus: obviously i still have trouble with the grammar and the terms of the grammar sometimes
    Mickorod Renard: your english is superb
    Mickorod Renard: english grammar is not so important these days anyway
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you keep telling that ur students ? :)
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,you need to get into dialog with Arabella Ella
    Mickorod Renard: she has a huge knowledge about what you are asking,,and also she speaks many languages
    Mickorod Renard: she is a philosopher too
    Mickorod Renard: are you from Germany?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just send her a friend request
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes i am
    Mickorod Renard: ok cool
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven´t seen her on PH so far
    Mickorod Renard: PH?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: philosophy house
    Yakuzza Lethecus: she got that in here group list
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and on here background image
    Mickorod Renard: I see,,well she does visit there,,but she is more often here
    Mickorod Renard: the problem with PH ,,in my opinion,,is that it becomes too fragmented in the dialog
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you can sit there waiting all day for an interesting discussion
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,that too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i need to take a walk, i sit in front of this damn thing for too long already
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nice to talk to you
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,cool he he
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye!
    Mickorod Renard: bye,,nice chatting

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