1. The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
Wol Euler: aggers ♥
Agatha Macbeth: Sry, just messin with prims
Wol Euler: sure, go ahead
Agatha Macbeth: No, s'okay
Agatha Macbeth: How are you?
--BELL--
Wol Euler: pretty well, thanks, and you?
Wol Euler: other than "piratey"?
Agatha Macbeth: Fine :)
Agatha Macbeth: oo arr
Agatha Macbeth: Do you remember that link Storm gave for icy textures?
Wol Euler: not off-hand
Agatha Macbeth: Mwah
Wol Euler: I could search the chat log for it
Wol Euler: (but so could you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Think I deleted the damn email
Wol Euler: oh, an e-mail ... lemme check that
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Wol Euler: You can find scores of icy textures here: http://tinyurl.com/ice-textures Just apply them to the faces of your sculpture.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah ty :)
Wol Euler: yw
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, interesting
Wol Euler: mmm?
Agatha Macbeth: The link I mean
Wol Euler: heh, must admit that I never actually went there
Agatha Macbeth: I'll take a better look later
Agatha Macbeth: Been busy?
Wol Euler: somewhat
Wol Euler: stressy again
Agatha Macbeth: oh dear...
Wol Euler: there's a near 1:1 relationship between bossette being present and stress happening
Wol Euler: (it happens in her absence too, but will always happen if she is there)
Agatha Macbeth: Is she a fussy type then?
Wol Euler: fussy is not really the issue
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: problem is, she mistakes being boss with giving orders
Agatha Macbeth: oh
Wol Euler: bosses do give orders, but what makes them the boss is that they make decisions
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Wol Euler: she wants to be boss but she has a hysterical panic fear of decision making
Wol Euler: of perhaps deciding wrong
Agatha Macbeth: Something I often have issues with myself
Wol Euler: half of her conversation is to prove that somebody other than herself was responsible for [whatever is happening now]
Agatha Macbeth: She sounds fun
Wol Euler: yeah.
Wol Euler: as a person I like her a lot, but as a boss she's a disaster
Agatha Macbeth: Where's real boss then?
Wol Euler: he was there too, trying to cope with this
Agatha Macbeth: Oh god
Wol Euler: yeah
Wol Euler: it was such a relief when the kids came and she went upstairs
Wol Euler: (speaking in years :)
Agatha Macbeth: Must be even worse being actually married to her
Wol Euler: I guess there are compensations :)
Wol Euler: it's not new, she was always like this
Wol Euler: so he knew what he was getting
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Shame you can't work somewhere with more people, so you aren't in the spotlight so to speak
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: At the moment, it all seems too cramped and personal
Wol Euler: it gets very personal, yes
Wol Euler: hence the stress
Agatha Macbeth: I can imagine
Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed
Agatha Macbeth gives you a big squeeze
Wol Euler enjoys it.
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: How have you been sleeping?
Wol Euler: on my back
Agatha Macbeth: Ahem
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Wol Euler: sorry
Wol Euler: surprisingly well actually
Agatha Macbeth: Not quite what I meant dear
Agatha Macbeth: Oh good
Wol Euler: yeah
Wol Euler: no complaints there
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's something anyway
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: At least you won't be permanently tired
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you back to normal again :)
Wol Euler sighs.
Wol Euler: thank you
Agatha Macbeth: yw
Wol Euler: may I ask, since you said taht, what exactly do you dislike about the faun / furry beings?
Agatha Macbeth: Not so much dislike...
Agatha Macbeth: just like your present appearance more
Zon Kwan: hi¨
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe cos it's the one I'm used to
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Agatha Macbeth: How are you?
Zon Kwan: good, and you two ?
Agatha Macbeth: I'm fine thx
Wol Euler: hello zon
Zon Kwan: quiet here, isthere a class or something ?
Agatha Macbeth: I think it's the same as if you had a male av Wol, it wouldn't be 'you' :)
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno Zon
Wol Euler: hmmmmm
Wol Euler: perhaps just "monday!
Agatha Macbeth: Not to me anyway
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Agatha Macbeth: Never seem many people at any of the sessions these days tho
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe PaB has run its course and it's time to move on, who knows?
Zon Kwan: how long has it existed ?
Agatha Macbeth: 3 and a half yrs I think?
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't seem as dynamic as in the beginning somehow
Agatha Macbeth: Different set of people perhaps
Wol Euler: my feeling is that it
Wol Euler: it's being diluted
Wol Euler: in the beginning it was clearly a meditation group, with some chat
Wol Euler: those who joined it came here to meditate, and sometimes to caht
Wol Euler: by and by people have been joining in whose only interest is the chat
Zon Kwan: nods
Wol Euler: and you can find that on any street corner
Agatha Macbeth: Or anywhere in SL for that matter
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: hello xir
Zon Kwan: at some times there has been good discussions
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Xira :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, true
Agatha Macbeth: You look very nice Xira
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Agg, Wol :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ty, you two too :))
Zon Kwan: but perphaps people have become a bit lazy
Agatha Macbeth: Possibly Zon
Wol Euler: yes, she does :) Xir is making a very beautiful, expressive av :)
Agatha Macbeth: or moved on to other things
Agatha Macbeth: Wol, can't disagree :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Xirana Oximoxi: ty Wol :) I think you 'win' me in taking care of your avi :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Wol Euler: awww :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Wol Euler: you are catching up though :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, she always looks good :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I love your outfit Agg :))
Agatha Macbeth blushes, ty
Xirana Oximoxi: and always sexi Wol too :))
Wol Euler: the thing about good conversation is that it takes an effort, it requires people to become actively involved
Agatha Macbeth: Sexi Wol indeed
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Zon Kwan: nods
Wol Euler: if everyone present wishes to hear a good conversation, then there will not be one
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the same goes for meditation tho?
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: it could be a good idea to always have some topic
Agatha Macbeth: I'm no good at thinking of topics I'm afraid
Wol Euler: great idea, you can start us off. What's our topic for the next quarter hour, zon?
Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody
Wol Euler: hello berti
Agatha Macbeth: Berti :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Bert :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you
Bertram Jacobus: ty ! ... :-))
Zon Kwan: hm anything troubling anyone atm
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I missed last night, fell asleep :(
Wol Euler: what's troubling you, zon?
Bertram Jacobus: np at all , for sure not aggers ! :-)
Zon Kwan: hm
Wol Euler: yes, I wondered where you were :)
Zon Kwan: nothing,,lol
Agatha Macbeth grins
Zon Kwan: i am quite happy
Wol Euler: okay, so give us a topic related to being happy :)
Zon Kwan: perhaps thats a good topic
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Bertram Jacobus: modern life sometimes seems to be exhausting, to me at least ...
Agatha Macbeth wonders if happy people make for more interesting conversation than unhappy ones
Zon Kwan: is the purpose of life to be happy ?
Wol Euler: I don't know, what do you think?
Zon Kwan: yes
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to find things more interesting when people have problems...go figure
Wol Euler smiles.
Zon Kwan: i think everyone seeks happiness in his/her own way
Agatha Macbeth: I agee Zon
Xirana Oximoxi: and usually people is more 'creative' when not very happy :)
Wol Euler: perhaps it's easier to give a suggestion for solving unhappiness, than to listen to reports of enjoying happiness
Zon Kwan: yes cause they have sometihng to do
Wol Euler: yep
Xirana Oximoxi: more fantasie, more need to express themselves
Zon Kwan: to acheive happiness
Agatha Macbeth: Also true Xira!
Agatha Macbeth: You are going to Berlin then Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i think so aggers
Wol Euler: yay
Agatha Macbeth: Good :)
Agatha Macbeth: Plenty of company for Boxy
Xirana Oximoxi: I look fordward for a report :))
Wol Euler smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: yes : i like "to support" our group " , in many ways ... hm (!) :-)
Zon Kwan: whai is happening in berlin ?
Wol Euler: a half-dozen of us are meeting up for a weekend
Wol Euler: not a formal retreat, just a gathering
Zon Kwan: cool
Agatha Macbeth: Is there much to do in Berlin?
Wol Euler: well ... I'm told there are people who can be bored in midtown Manhattan ...
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Wol Euler: there will be stuff to do, yes
Bertram Jacobus: paradise, alf (boxy) - he started this idea as far as i know - yaku with gf , wol and me - not yet sure whether with s a t i a or alone ...
Agatha Macbeth: Would be nice if Satia went with you
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i think so as well
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bertram Jacobus: "we´ll see" ... ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Berti, you were the first person from PaB I ever met, remember?
Agatha Macbeth: You caught me getting changed :p
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: ah, heady days.
Bertram Jacobus: wow ! no, srrry blush a bit : so often "a bit" embarrassing, my mostly really bad mempry :-/
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: I remember it well
Wol Euler smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. the good thing with a bad memory is : i really forget the bad things as well, totally ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: God, those old noob outfits
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: I started out with the same one as Tarmiel believe it or not
Wol Euler: heh
Bertram Jacobus: lol. i have only very seldom problems with noobish things and aspects - sry aggers (becuase you said, problems may be more intersting) ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Agatha Macbeth: May we live in interesting times
Wol Euler: no!
Wol Euler: bite your tongue
Agatha Macbeth: Well it beats boring
Bertram Jacobus: i find "making a better world" or at least to try that - intersting as well, may be even most interesting ! ...
Wol Euler: boring is a personal judgement, internal
Wol Euler: you can decide whether you are bored or not
Wol Euler: interesting is too often something that is done to you
Agatha Macbeth ponders
Bertram Jacobus: decide ? i wouldn´t agree wol : sometimes the causes from the past don´t allow a total free decision i think. on the one hand - yes. on the other no giggle
Agatha Macbeth: Considering we didn't have a topic, we seem to be doing well :p
--BELL--
Wol Euler: okay, we can talk about whether we are free or not :)
Zon Kwan: free from what
Bertram Jacobus: i hope at least that there is a so to say "free space" from which we can act. but conditions are there as well very obviously
Agatha Macbeth: Personally I think freedom is an illusion
Bertram Jacobus: and i can say, i feel like that : free in a way but conditioned as well.
Agatha Macbeth: we are all bound by something or somebody
Wol Euler: true, but we chose that, and we choose how we deal with it
Wol Euler: I really don't know how people can be bored in a house that contains a non-zero number of books or computers
Bertram Jacobus: but the more silence i experience - the more free i feel
Wol Euler: and which has at least one window
Zon Kwan: how do we choose
Wol Euler: hello mick
Bertram Jacobus: wow - mick ! loong time not seen ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Agree with that Wol :)
Agatha Macbeth: hey Micky
Zon Kwan: what makes us choose
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Mick :)

Mickorod Renard: Hi Folks
Wol Euler: bite his butt, xir, that will make him move away :)
Zon Kwan: micky:)
Agatha Macbeth: Xira has an ineresting view :p
Xirana Oximoxi: sure he is rezzing:)
Wol Euler grins.
Xirana Oximoxi: or he likes the place ;)
Bertram Jacobus: i think, it´s the in spiritual teachings very well known "everybody wants to be happy and avoid suffering" zon, which makes us deciding as good as we can fit to that ...
Mickorod Renard: yea,,i am on wrong laptop
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: there's an empty cushion directly to your left, mick, when they start appearing
Zon Kwan: so are we free, if we are determined to choose happiness
Wol Euler: hello korel
Mickorod Renard: I will have to stand,,sorry
Korel Laloix: osiyo
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Korel :)
Wol Euler: oh, I see ...
Agatha Macbeth: Hi K
Bertram Jacobus: hi korel ... :-)
Mickorod Renard: erk,,battery going,,mick is going,,:))
Wol Euler: oops :)
Mickorod Renard: see u soon
Mickorod Renard: take care
Korel Laloix: ciao
Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
Agatha Macbeth: The vanishing Mick
Xirana Oximoxi: be :)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye
Agatha Macbeth: and there he went
Wol Euler: poof
Bertram Jacobus: THAT was a short visit ! (of mickey) ... :o)
Wol Euler makes an expressive cloud-of-smoke gesture with her hands
Agatha Macbeth: That's the Mickster for ya ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Here one minute gone the next
Korel Laloix: Mickster.... another English question.
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Korel Laloix: As a term of fondness.... addting "ster" to the end of someone's name.
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Korel Laloix: What is that origion?
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting if your names 'Gang'
Wol Euler: huh, that's a very good question.
Agatha Macbeth: To be honest K, dunno
Korel Laloix: Oh OK>
Agatha Macbeth: just one o them thar things
Wol Euler: arrrr
Korel Laloix: Lots of that in English.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, you noticed
Korel Laloix: I do work at it.
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: M English education was not very good until I got ot college.
Agatha Macbeth: Well in Australia 'hello you old bastard' is considered a term of endearment
Korel Laloix: Let me say that again......
Xirana Oximoxi: it depends always of the 'tone' it is said, I suppose:)
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Like Chinese
Wol Euler: that is hard to judge sometimes, especially with the English
Korel Laloix: I did not take my education seriously when I was growing up, and because of my skin color I was givin passing grades anyway.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they do things differently in the States
Korel Laloix: They do things different in every state.
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Xirana Oximoxi: well...then you must add the expression of face and body of the speakers (related to 'old bastard' :))
Agatha Macbeth grins
Korel Laloix: The term bastard seems to have at least two meaning as well...
Wol Euler: at least :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh at least
Agatha Macbeth: snap
Wol Euler: snap
Korel Laloix: One is an illigatamate child... and the other seems to be jerk.
Agatha Macbeth pokes Wol in the ear
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: jerk yes, usually, but can also be a term of endearment
Agatha Macbeth: We must stop doing that one day...
Wol Euler: depends on the context
Korel Laloix: I gathared that... I like that options, speaking as a bastard.... grins
Wol Euler pulls your finger out of her ear and hands it back to you.
Agatha Macbeth: Ych
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: waves
Agatha Macbeth: (bye Zon)
Wol Euler: bye hon
Wol Euler: zon
Xirana Oximoxi: I go now... take care all and see you soon :)
Wol Euler: take care
Agatha Macbeth: HA
Bertram Jacobus: [rewaves]
Wol Euler: bye xir, be happy and productive ;)
Bertram Jacobus: [bye xir]
Korel Laloix: Just a thought, I might need to find an English teacher to date.... could be free lessons, or someone that I would constantly argue with.... both could be fun.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes :) I prefer that than beeing unhappy :))
Wol Euler: hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Actually I need to be movin' along too
Korel Laloix: wow lag.
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Wol Euler: aww
Korel Laloix: Take care.
Wol Euler: bye aggers, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now, have fun
Wol Euler: count your blessings, and your fingers.
Korel Laloix: Agster?
Bertram Jacobus: byee aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)
Wol Euler: yep :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: did you notice sometimes what a difference it is to sit upright or not so very upright wol, especially at meditations ?
Wol Euler: definitely
Bertram Jacobus: but not only at meditations ...
Wol Euler: and also what is around you
Bertram Jacobus: i just noticed it right now
Korel Laloix: Good posture makes everything better.
Wol Euler: I think I need to set aside a corner of a room for my practice area
Wol Euler: I was thinking about what was different between on-retreat and at-home meditating
Bertram Jacobus: sometimes luckily it´s like it happens from alone that the idea of sittig in a nice position arises ...
Wol Euler: short answer: everything :) of course
Bertram Jacobus: i disagree again - sry : there are always similar or even same aspects in all situations as well, not only differences ! ;-)
Wol Euler: heheh
Bertram Jacobus: giggle* :-))
Wol Euler: of course
Bertram Jacobus: nice ... :-)
Korel Laloix: Back to work....
Bertram Jacobus: have a good time korel !
Korel Laloix: Take care all.
Wol Euler: bye korel
Bertram Jacobus: i thought alf would be here ...
Bertram Jacobus: he wanted to book for me ... hm
Wol Euler: unevenly present, our alf.
Bertram Jacobus: but i still must ... talk with s a t i a ...
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I hope she can come
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i hope it as well ...
Bertram Jacobus: next weekend my new buddhist course starts
Wol Euler: ah, yes, you mentioned that
Wol Euler: the 53 statements
Bertram Jacobus: yes ! lojong ! or were it 52, 57 ? no idea, something with 50 ... :-)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Bertram Jacobus: mind training ...
Wol Euler: right
Wol Euler: I'm looking forward to hearing your reports about that on the 99 Days :)
Bertram Jacobus: there is a really good book "buddhismus für dummies" ...
Bertram Jacobus: heheee - i remember ... i was supposed to do that ...
Wol Euler: well your course hasn't started yet
Bertram Jacobus: how will i be able to get that in my time schedule of all the other things i do at the unbelievable short 24 hours a day only has !? ... ;-)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: the eternal question.
Bertram Jacobus: s a t i a is able to be bored ... i can´t understand that ... how one can manage it to feel so ... hm
Wol Euler: a puzzlement
Bertram Jacobus: and may be - aggers said something similar before ? she could be bored ?
Wol Euler: I think it's about expectation, whether people expect the world to take care of them, or whether they expect to have to do things themselves
Wol Euler: I think not, I understood that Aggers is not bored
--BELL--
Wol Euler: but it was unclear

You were right! :p

Wol Euler: sit
Bertram Jacobus: interesting compound ! ( expecting the world to take care) (!) ... :-)
Wol Euler: *shit :)
Wol Euler: that should have been
Bertram Jacobus: ah. lol. "okay" :-)
Wol Euler: pushed my teacup off the desk, but fortunately it's a plastic thermos cup so it has a quite small opening
Wol Euler: didn't break and not much tea got out
Bertram Jacobus: oohh - "okay" (again)
Bertram Jacobus: and i ... want to log off now - early get up tomorrow ...
Wol Euler: yes, me too
Wol Euler: goodnight, berti, take care
Bertram Jacobus: allright - as ever : a pleasure to meet you ! :-)
Wol Euler: likewise :)
Bertram Jacobus: same same wol - have a nice time pls
Wol Euler: gute nacht!
Bertram Jacobus: danke ! :-))

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