2011.11.23 07:00 - Grouping and breakaways are life I guess

The Guardian for this meeting was oO0Oo Resident. The comments are by oO0Oo Resident.

Riddle Sideways: Hi oO
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: Morning


--BELL--


Riddle Sideways: Would you like to take the log?
Riddle Sideways: or should I reclaim it?
Riddle Sideways: Hi Xir
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Rid, Sam :)
Xirana Oximoxi: How are you building practices going??? :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Boxy:)
Riddle Sideways: well, no working on them much :(
Alfred Kelberry: xira cruz :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Boxy
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Xirana, Hi Alf :)
Alfred Kelberry: riddle, is it your session again?
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe the most important is also the notecard with reflections about reflections...
Alfred Kelberry: recursive notecard :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
oO0Oo Resident: Thank you for asking about building Xirana.. Just really starting out myself.. and yes.. to the notecard :)
Riddle Sideways: no, just have been taking it for last few weeks
Alfred Kelberry: nice of you, riddly :)
Xirana Oximoxi: recently I've read a catalan poet, and his poetry was centered on this subject... which image is more real, the one you see in the mirrow or the other one?
Xirana Oximoxi: the mirror represents his more spiritual 'I'
oO0Oo Resident: Are the poems good Xir?

Alfred Kelberry: well, the image in the mirror is mirrored. not quite authentic :)

Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Xirana Oximoxi: boxy..it's a metaphore!!! :)
Alfred Kelberry: um, yea... i know :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: science boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: just being noisy, i guess
Xirana Oximoxi: heh :)

Alfred Kelberry: i don't think it's real though. meaning, it may not be how we see ourselves.

Xirana Oximoxi: the name of the poet is Josep Palau i Fabre , Sam... probably not translated, he has writen only one book of poetry.
Alfred Kelberry: do you get this sometimes? look in a mirror and don't recognise yourself?
Alfred Kelberry: and other times you think: oh, i'm cute and cuddly :)
Xirana Oximoxi: you're right boxy... I think that when we explore our more 'inside' we don't shape it with the image's body in a mirror :)

Alfred Kelberry: our avs could be more real than our mirror reflection :)

Xirana Oximoxi: yes... our avatars do 'spek' :)
Alfred Kelberry: possibly sl is a perfect mirror
Xirana Oximoxi: speak'
Alfred Kelberry: mirror of your inner self :)
Alfred Kelberry: ari! :)

Xirana Oximoxi: yes... we can discover a lot of ourselves in SL

Arisia Vita: Hi all
Riddle Sideways: and boxy might be more cuddly in SL
Arisia Vita: good to be with you again
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Arisia:)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Ari
Alfred Kelberry: riddle :)
Alfred Kelberry: can't be more cuddly than this pup :)
oO0Oo Resident: Welcome Arisia :)

Alfred Kelberry: it'll be interesting to see how all these mirrors blend in rl during the meet up

Riddle Sideways: sorry, was just reading a cute email exchange that Boxy was in :)
Xirana Oximoxi: do you think having a box avatar is a good way to mirror you in SL, boxy?


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Alfred Kelberry: xiri, um... the av looked so cute, i just couldn't resist :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: does it not work to delete an email in the group list?
Alfred Kelberry: nope
Xirana Oximoxi: I mean, is it sent anyway?
Riddle Sideways: it seems to have gone out
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh ok:)
Alfred Kelberry: it's mailing list. when you hit "send" it's delivered to all the recepients.
Riddle Sideways: or scheduled on it's way
oO0Oo Resident: . Arisia, Xirana mentioned the poet Josep Palau i Fabre Whose poetic works in part, examine aspects of *reflection* Here are a few translated poems in English
Arisia Vita: ty
Riddle Sideways: ah, thank you
Alfred Kelberry: yes, but no way to take it from the queue
Xirana Oximoxi: I guess in the PaB group there are a lot of people not intereted in having the email full of messages...but I have the impression that maybe it is going to have too much divisions
Xirana Oximoxi: oh! Sam...you are quick!
Arisia Vita: I will check out the links in a while, my wife just got home from the grocery store so I'll go help her with the bags...
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Arisia Vita: be well and happy
Alfred Kelberry: good boy, ari :)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Arisia! :)
Arisia Vita: hope to see you again soon
oO0Oo Resident: (((Arisia))))

Riddle Sideways: really like "All these questions! And I am supposed to answer them."  -source

Xirana Oximoxi: see you soon!
Arisia Vita: I might even get a hug for it boxy...
Riddle Sideways: by by Ari
Arisia Vita: bye
Alfred Kelberry: yay! :)
Alfred Kelberry: hug is nice
oO0Oo Resident: (((Boxy)))
Alfred Kelberry: a kiss would be nice too
Alfred Kelberry: and... um... nevermind :)
Riddle Sideways: or a dog lick :)
Alfred Kelberry: ! :)
oO0Oo Resident: smooooooooooooch the pooch
oO0Oo Resident:

"Why do I alone, to myself alone, give the answers?

Are my questions too pretentious?

Is my ear not well enough tuned to hear the voice of the answers? "  -source

Alfred Kelberry: it's really wonderful to see how a dog greets his owner at home. shear happiness.
Alfred Kelberry: pup in the moment
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... dogs are always very very happy when you come back home:)
Alfred Kelberry: :)

Riddle Sideways: "Why don't grown-ups play?" Is it our way of playing that explains theirs or their play that explains us to ourselves?

Alfred Kelberry: is it from the poem?
Riddle Sideways: yes, from the poem
Riddle Sideways: should have quoted it
oO0Oo Resident: I'll do so when editing... ty Rdiddle
Alfred Kelberry: how is the translation to you, xiri?
Riddle Sideways: is the translation done well....

Xirana Oximoxi: I was thinkig how different it may sound

Riddle Sideways: was just about to ask :))|
Alfred Kelberry: yea :)

Xirana Oximoxi: I should compare with the same poem

Xirana Oximoxi: probably it's well done... at least the 'content' seems to express the wonders I've found in his poetry
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: that's good
Alfred Kelberry: translating poems is so hard
oO0Oo Resident: Even as translations, I enjoy his insights..
Alfred Kelberry: one has to really be a bridge between the cultures
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! that's why I like learning languages :))
Alfred Kelberry: *pats xiri's back* good girl! :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe ty, boxy:)
Alfred Kelberry: and you're doing very well, xiri
Alfred Kelberry: i can't keep up with you :)
oO0Oo Resident: These are the Catalan originals Xir: http://is.gd/DWHrjS (<--- actually not the originals)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Zen
Alfred Kelberry: zen the painter! :)
Xirana Oximoxi: in SL it's the most fun way to learn languages I've found ... if you can not go to the country:)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Zen! :)
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, yes, very helpful
Zen Arado: es en Espanol :)
Zen Arado: what is Xirana?
Xirana Oximoxi: what 'es' en Español??? Zen?
Xirana Oximoxi: es = is


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Zen Arado: that website
Xirana Oximoxi: 3 person of the present of the verb to be:)
Zen Arado: ah was guessing
Zen Arado: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen es nada espanol :)
Zen Arado: si
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: no hablo
Riddle Sideways: the link is to a poem. english at http://is.gd/IuycjS
Alfred Kelberry: i imagine we make xiri giggle now :)
Alfred Kelberry: san :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Santo
Santoshima Resident: :
Alfred Kelberry: :

Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... you have to practice quite a lot more Spanish:)) or Spanglish :))

Zen Arado: so where is the Spanish now?
Xirana Oximoxi: hello San :)
Zen Arado: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: :)
Zen Arado: dos cervezas por favor...my limit
Riddle Sideways: :)
Zen Arado: y gracias
Alfred Kelberry: medico por favor
Xirana Oximoxi: haha
Zen Arado: essential Spanish :)
Xirana Oximoxi: good to besitting in a cafe or bar with hot weather to be refreshed ... una cervecita, por favor:)
Zen Arado: ha I remember a place served beer in gallon glasses
Alfred Kelberry: eek
oO0Oo Resident: Did you see your reflection in the beer?
Xirana Oximoxi: have you been in Spain, Zen?
Zen Arado: remember it coming down the glass like a wave
Zen Arado: yes a few times
Xirana Oximoxi: wonderful:)
Zen Arado: don't remember what happened
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: and you learned the most important words to survive :))
Alfred Kelberry: i figure time well spent, zen :)
Zen Arado: I used to learn Spanish
Zen Arado: but have forgotten most of it now
Zen Arado: used to try to talk to waiters and waitresses
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! if a llanguage is not used it's easy to forget quick
Zen Arado: got blank looks mostly :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Zen Arado: I could never be like thoses English who live there and never bother to learn the language
Zen Arado: and just stay in their own community
Xirana Oximoxi: that's very good Zen!
Alfred Kelberry: here's one more essential phrase: eres muy guapa :)
Zen Arado: muy bien Alf
Xirana Oximoxi: haha yes:) or guapo :))
Alfred Kelberry: guapo for males?
Xirana Oximoxi: muy simpática
Xirana Oximoxi: si, for males:)
Alfred Kelberry: lobos
Xirana Oximoxi: wolfs?
Alfred Kelberry: guys
Zen Arado: Villa Lobos
Xirana Oximoxi: hombres, chcos, ....
Zen Arado: Spanish composer
Zen Arado: no South American I think
Xirana Oximoxi: I think he is Brasilian:) but not sure:)
Zen Arado: como esta usted?
Zen Arado: is that correct?
Xirana Oximoxi: he is Brasilian :)
Zen Arado: I used to play his guitar compositions
Xirana Oximoxi: that's perffect, Zen:)
Zen Arado: I forget the reply
Zen Arado: muy bien?
Xirana Oximoxi: muy bien, muchas gracias:)
Xirana Oximoxi: y usted?
Xirana Oximoxi: or ..y tu? (more familiar)
Zen Arado: algo mas
Zen Arado: beautiful melodies
Zen Arado: also Agustin Barrios Mangore
Zen Arado: Paraguayan
Alfred Kelberry: um... one more: "quiero tener sexo contigo" :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... I love the Bachianas brasileiras :)
Zen Arado: yes that was for orchestra I think
Xirana Oximoxi: haha boxy!!! yoou must ask in a more subtle way!! :))
Xirana Oximoxi: more seducing... not so direct!!!
Alfred Kelberry: er, but that's after an evening in a bar :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Arch
Zen Arado: Hi Arch
Alfred Kelberry: archy :)


--BELL--


Archmage Atlantis: Hello my friends
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Arch :)
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, ok, how about this? "tantas curvas y yo sin frenos" :)
Xirana Oximoxi: haha.. much better:))
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Archmage Atlantis: ? .... bosxy?.... your aunt is curved and.....oh, lost the text
Santoshima Resident: hello arch
Zen Arado: and sinful fcriends :)
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Riddle Sideways: Cinda :)

Archmage Atlantis: I have to figure out how to hold on to the conversation

Riddle Sideways: ah, holding on to this conversation is hard
Xirana Oximoxi: we are having basic Spanish lessons Arch :)
Zen Arado: donde esta el banco
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, X
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Riddle Sideways: and the textbox translator is a complete let down
Zen Arado: Hi Luci
Xirana Oximoxi: cerveza= bier...sex = sex, money= dinero :)
Alfred Kelberry: "Eres la mujer de mis sueños. Sueño contigo todo el tiempo. No puedo olvidarte."
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Everyone:)
oO0Oo Resident: muchas curvas, el perro sin frenos, tenga cuidado con los coches ocultos
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Luci
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Luci :)
Alfred Kelberry: muchas curvas - i like that :)
Archmage Atlantis: Estoy muy comprende
Archmage Atlantis: ugh
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Alfred Kelberry: ola, luci :)
Xirana Oximoxi: Hola Luci, buenos días :)
Archmage Atlantis: 5 years of US Spanish classes, and 4 years of US German classes, and no memory......oh well
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Xirana Oximoxi: 5 years Arch!!! that's good... just if you use it a little you remember quick :)
Lucinda Lavender: buenos dias mi amigos
Xirana Oximoxi: Hola guapa:)
Archmage Atlantis: Not at 60, with broken brain parts
Alfred Kelberry: estas hermosa, luci :)
Lucinda Lavender: guapa? do not know that word...thought it was a drink...
Xirana Oximoxi: guapa = beautiful
Archmage Atlantis: Still, those younger than I can
Lucinda Lavender: gracias
Xirana Oximoxi: de nada :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now... hasta pronto!! :)
Lucinda Lavender: Donde esta la bibliotec?
Alfred Kelberry: archy, one has to practice a lot to retain in memory
Xirana Oximoxi: que tengáis un buen día:)
Zen Arado: hasta luego
Lucinda Lavender: my memory contains the sentance

Riddle Sideways: as a sidenote:
Riddle Sideways: in us country we have a holiday tomorrow that involves cooking all day today and tomorrow so that lots of ppl come mess up our house, so we clean Friday

Xirana Oximoxi: adiós! :)
Alfred Kelberry: hasta la vista, xiri :)
Riddle Sideways: so must go do
Xirana Oximoxi: hata la vista :)
Lucinda Lavender: hasta la vista!
Alfred Kelberry: she'll be back
Archmage Atlantis: There was a lot of confusion in school........I learned Castillian Spanish, but lived in a world of Puerto Rican and Cubano Spanish
Zen Arado: ha ha
Alfred Kelberry: :)
oO0Oo Resident: Adios Riddle
Zen Arado: like big Arnie
Riddle Sideways: bye and thanks
Alfred Kelberry: the locals didn't understand you, archy?
Archmage Atlantis: Like the old bit of humor about Americans and Brits.....2 people separated by the same language
Alfred Kelberry: um
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Alfred Kelberry: but american is of course the proper one
Lucinda Lavender: separation
Alfred Kelberry: british is all wrong
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Prefer Cockny British
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Archmage Atlantis: But the Queen's English is ok
oO0Oo Resident: [late bye to Xir]
Zen Arado: well we invented the language :)
Alfred Kelberry: saxons did :P
Zen Arado: mix of Saxon and Latin
Zen Arado: and acelt
Archmage Atlantis: As mitochondrial Celt, yes
Zen Arado: I have a friend who is an Irish Gaelic translator
Lucinda Lavender: Luci says bye to all leaving...have a great day


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Santoshima Resident: Qend used to do that sam
Alfred Kelberry: gaelic...
Alfred Kelberry: same family?
Alfred Kelberry: i wonder if it's like translating swedish to norwegian :)
Zen Arado: she say Irish , Scottish and Manx gaelic are related
Zen Arado: but Welsh Gaelic is a different language related to Breton and Cornish gaelic
Alfred Kelberry: ah, it refers to a certain period?
Zen Arado: or who settled where
Alfred Kelberry: i like to think that aga is welsh for some reason :)
Archmage Atlantis: The thing about religion is that it ties together many who are different.......and then it creates seperations amoung the groupings it has formed

Zen Arado: grouping and breakaways are life I guess

Archmage Atlantis: The process is interesting in abstract
Archmage Atlantis: and painful in reality
Archmage Atlantis: Still, pain is part of creation
Archmage Atlantis: For me, pain is sometimes how I learn
Zen Arado: the founders of religions are usually radical peole who rebel against the status quo
Archmage Atlantis: There are only 2 who I can see that did not intend to found a religion
Archmage Atlantis: They only wished to be
Zen Arado: I can't say what I want to say next
Archmage Atlantis: The universe is quite large
Zen Arado: it might offend
Zen Arado: anyway I better go
Archmage Atlantis: Zen, I cannot be offended
Zen Arado: no but someone might be
Archmage Atlantis: Your truth is yours to speak
Zen Arado: I am learning when to be quiet :)
Archmage Atlantis: Understand
Zen Arado: have a good thanksgiving if I don't see you all soon :)
Archmage Atlantis: namaste
oO0Oo Resident: Thanks for you Zen :)
Zen Arado: byee
Santoshima Resident: bye zen, take care ~
Lucinda Lavender: Zen ...thanks...
Santoshima Resident: bye all
Lucinda Lavender: San...
Lucinda Lavender: have a good day too...
Santoshima Resident: ty you too
Archmage Atlantis: Go with (fill in the blank here) San
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Santoshima
Lucinda Lavender: I get to take it slow...no school and build pies...
Archmage Atlantis: pies :)
Archmage Atlantis: pumpkin, blueberry, apple?
Archmage Atlantis: other?
Lucinda Lavender: pecan and two pumkin
oO0Oo Resident: lol
Lucinda Lavender: the pumpkin willbe one gluten free for gramma
Alfred Kelberry: i'm off folks. thank you for the company.
Archmage Atlantis: My I come over *grin*
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Lucinda Lavender: Luci send out virtual pie to all
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Boxy :)
Archmage Atlantis: ty, Luci
Lucinda Lavender: bye box...
Archmage Atlantis: A virtual pie to the soul
Archmage Atlantis: nice
oO0Oo Resident: I used to bake pies with a dear dear chhildhood friend.. after school
Lucinda Lavender: was having a dream with lots of kittens in it today
Lucinda Lavender: really Sam...that is a great memory


--BELL--


Archmage Atlantis: That does not suprise me, Sam
Lucinda Lavender: wondering what kind...
oO0Oo Resident: Kittens dream in one hand and pies in the other :)
Archmage Atlantis: I suppose this will not be a techie time
Lucinda Lavender: oops do you need tech help?
Archmage Atlantis: Yet, techs do understand....if they forget.....we are all on this planet together
Lucinda Lavender: we are all here yes
Lucinda Lavender: the kittens were just born...and there were 4 and they had a fur covering that was peeling off to reveal their actual fur
Lucinda Lavender: sort of rich time
Lucinda Lavender: of kittens
Lucinda Lavender: the fur covering was an unusual twist I thought
Archmage Atlantis: this is a song that conveys the wrongness of ownership ( aka wall street ) .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYOW3ShOpY
Archmage Atlantis: Nite to you
oO0Oo Resident: Sounds very rich in a sense lucy, and not unlike peeling certain fruits or something the layers of the fresh beings.. though that may sound odd.. Dreams so interesting how some slightly added nuance can be that difference
oO0Oo Resident: Night Arch
Lucinda Lavender: Nite to you Arch
Lucinda Lavender: yes I was concerned they would get cold and then saw how fast they were growing so it was not really needed worry
oO0Oo Resident: no mother in sight?
Lucinda Lavender: I often associate kittens and cats with the feminine, playfulness, intuition...
Lucinda Lavender: not sure about the mother
Lucinda Lavender: then there was a shift to riding in a car...in a chaotic time
Lucinda Lavender: maybe the dream speaks of there being adequate covering...warmth at birth...perhaps for new ideas..
Lucinda Lavender: they are made to handle it
oO0Oo Resident: and travel in the four directions? :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Lucinda Lavender: kittens do lots of moving!
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Lucinda Lavender: tear around the house
Lucinda Lavender: wearing themselves out


--BELL--


Lucinda Lavender: so much fun to watch
Lucinda Lavender: once dreamt of lots of kittens the size of 50 cent pieces on the front step of my house
Lucinda Lavender: the threshold so to speak
oO0Oo Resident: Oh, so fragile.. careful with feet
Lucinda Lavender: always remember that image...
Lucinda Lavender: yes!
Lucinda Lavender: careful with feet so they are not crushed
Lucinda Lavender: what was knocking at the door...
oO0Oo Resident: what small important things, newly born.. in the way (in a sense) wanting to be noticed

(Luci and I talk for a few minutes in IM about school excursions and dream framing)

oO0Oo Resident: Well. I'm off to the races. Thanks Luci.
Lucinda Lavender: well good by for now all...race well!
oO0Oo Resident: bfn