2011.11.27 19:00 - Considering Sangha

The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

Lucinda Lavender: hi san
Santoshima Resident: hi luci :)
Santoshima Resident: quiet here
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Santoshima Resident: ok if i join you?
Lucinda Lavender: how are you today?
Lucinda Lavender: yes:)
Santoshima Resident: quite ok, thanks
Santoshima Resident: you?
Lucinda Lavender: I have had an interesting day
Santoshima Resident: ok
Santoshima Resident: yes?
Lucinda Lavender: I have been working on my ancestry tree
Santoshima Resident: ahh
Lucinda Lavender: and had a friend who could help me
Lucinda Lavender: found some people from long ago today
Lucinda Lavender: from scotland
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Santoshima Resident: did you know about that line of the family?
Lucinda Lavender: an interesting search since with computers one can get to some stories that were written down by others..no I did not knows much about my fathers side...
Lucinda Lavender: they are the ones from scotland
Santoshima Resident: ah, did you find much about them?
Lucinda Lavender: hey cal!
Santoshima Resident: hey Cal :)
Lucinda Lavender: only a tiny bit
Lucinda Lavender: I claimed for you ...
Santoshima Resident: enough to further the search?
Calvino Rabeni: Hello ! Thanks
Lucinda Lavender: yes...I found that after I looked at the geneological information available in the county they lived in...more was forthcoming
Lucinda Lavender: all sitting in the kitchen
Santoshima Resident: amazing
Lucinda Lavender: the friend I was working with had relatives 60 miles from mine
Lucinda Lavender: hi Aph
Lucinda Lavender: how are cal and aph?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Cinda, San, Cal
Santoshima Resident: hi aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: nice group tonight
Santoshima Resident: we are talking about luci's research into family tree
Aphrodite Macbain: what have I missed?
Santoshima Resident: and finding a brach
Santoshima Resident: branch
Aphrodite Macbain: OH! a fascinating activity
Lucinda Lavender: I was just talking about doing a listtle family history research
Aphrodite Macbain: I've done the same thing and have now put it on the web for everyone to add to
Lucinda Lavender: nice:)
Aphrodite Macbain: what program are u using?
Santoshima Resident: what program do you use for that Aph?
Lucinda Lavender: ancestry.com
Aphrodite Macbain: My heritage
Aphrodite Macbain: It's all those neices and nephews that are so hard to control -along with the second cousins
Lucinda Lavender: nodding:)
Aphrodite Macbain: Susan - this that you!?
Lucinda Lavender: HI Susan:)
Calvino Rabeni: Hi Susan
Calvino Rabeni: Long time :)
Susan Aloix: Hey :) hi aphro...lucinda..cal
Santoshima Resident: hi Susan, good to meet you
Susan Aloix: yeah been forever
Susan Aloix: Hi san
Santoshima Resident: hi
--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: What have you been up to?
Susan Aloix: Working mostly Aphro.....hardly any time to come to SL
Susan Aloix: opps
Susan Aloix: Nice to meet you too san
Susan Aloix: yeah thats fine san re. image
Santoshima Resident: ty
Lucinda Lavender: I I missed the guardian meeting today...
Lucinda Lavender: are there any updates...'
Santoshima Resident: me too
Santoshima Resident: it's posted on the wiki
Aphrodite Macbain: so did I Luci - I slept till 9AM
Lucinda Lavender: ok...will read
Santoshima Resident: fine day to sleep in
Aphrodite Macbain: sounded like a good meeting
Lucinda Lavender: good
Santoshima Resident: livelier when fewer people
Lucinda Lavender: mostlikely
Santoshima Resident: talk about "topics"
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Lucinda Lavender: shall we think of a topic for now?
Santoshima Resident: :) sure, luci
Aphrodite Macbain: Hmmm
Lucinda Lavender: cal...ideas?
Calvino Rabeni me looks innocent :)
Aphrodite Macbain: How about the concept of the sangha? we can begin to explore it here?
Calvino Rabeni: sure
Calvino Rabeni: that sounds like a topic with a lot of substance
Lucinda Lavender: that is something I have not been in exactly...but I am game
Susan Aloix: listens
Santoshima Resident: ok
Lucinda Lavender: Luci starts by thinking...what is the song of the sangha?
Aphrodite Macbain: I can just say that I believe I am part of a sangha-a supportive community - when I am with Pabbers
Susan Aloix: Sangha (Pali: सन्घ saṅgha; Sanskrit: संघ saṃgha; Wylie: 'dus sde) is a word in Pali or Sanskrit that can be translated roughly as "association" or "assembly," "company" or "community" with common goal, vision or purpose. Sangha is the third of the Three Jewels in Buddhism.
Susan Aloix: (wiki)
Santoshima Resident: what do you mean, luci?
Aphrodite Macbain: supportive community
Lucinda Lavender: I am just playing...
Aphrodite Macbain: sing us the song of the sangha Luci
Aphrodite Macbain turns on her sound
Lucinda Lavender: I was just noticing the sang/song sound
Santoshima Resident: sang a songa
Aphrodite Macbain: sing sang song
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks susan
Lucinda Lavender: assembling for common practice?
Aphrodite Macbain: community - but a community that teaches and supports one's practice and learning
Aphrodite Macbain: like your choir Luci
Lucinda Lavender: and also my dream circle
Susan Aloix: nods....is all for supporting the learning process
Lucinda Lavender: is there usually a leader?
Aphrodite Macbain: tho I feel inadequate in teaching much
Aphrodite Macbain: I guess there is usually a teacher
Aphrodite Macbain: a principal teacher
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Santoshima Resident: why do you guess that, Aph?
Santoshima Resident: is that true for you?
Aphrodite Macbain: I have noticed that most groups that follow a practice has some form of teacher or guru
Susan Aloix: I just got back from a retreat with others.......i think leaders emerge from a group.....dont need to start with one...
Aphrodite Macbain: My yoga practice is informed by my teacher
Aphrodite Macbain: but I can be a disciple
Santoshima Resident: and that person's practice is infomed by his/her teacher(s)
Santoshima Resident: it's a living tradition
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- a lineage of teachers
Calvino Rabeni: People seem to need some authority (institution or ritual) to allow them to feel like their mutual helping relationships are legitimate ... in a way they like / need that support, or maybe permission, to engage in help / growth / support activities with other people
Calvino Rabeni: so all the sangha like group relationships are in a way "branded"
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- it provides a structure as well as a motivation or purpose
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: but, it sets up a lot of dependence of people on their groups and institutions
Aphrodite Macbain loves looking at all the avis typing away
Santoshima Resident: shh
Santoshima Resident: like, parental figures, Cal?
Aphrodite Macbain: driven by respect rather than obligation - ideally
Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps so San
Calvino Rabeni: In the culture now there are so many people interested in spiritual growth, and they go in and out of different groups, and perhaps are members of multiple groups at once
Aphrodite Macbain: testing and tasting
Lucinda Lavender: that has been true for me...Cal
Lucinda Lavender: well sort of
Calvino Rabeni: then there are spiritual friendships, a kind of sangha-of-two
Aphrodite Macbain: can 2 people form a sangha?
Lucinda Lavender: dream circle is leaderless tho
Santoshima Resident: yes
Santoshima Resident: absolutely
Calvino Rabeni: Why not, Aph?  If two people have an understanding and commitment to support and practice
Aphrodite Macbain: thought it was a community - which to me implies a multiplicity of people
Lucinda Lavender: bye Susan hope you come back
Santoshima Resident: bye Susan, thanks for coming by
Calvino Rabeni: Its becoming much more possible for any small group to negotiate that kind of agreement / understanding
Aphrodite Macbain: I would call the other person a teacher rather than a sangha
Calvino Rabeni: (figures Susan crashed / will return soon)
Calvino Rabeni: I think there are all varieties of different intentional helping / learning / support relationships amd groups
Calvino Rabeni: and in the big picture that's what gives resilience to a culture
Aphrodite Macbain: I find that there is greater stability within a larger group
Santoshima Resident: greater stability in what way, Aph?
Santoshima Resident: for myself, I prefer small groups
Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm
Santoshima Resident: it comes down to personal preference
Santoshima Resident: and inclination
Calvino Rabeni: In the Christian community there is a concept of service also, even without any evangelical intention
Aphrodite Macbain: a group of two can change quite quickly; a group of more than three changes less quickly since here are more people to change
Lucinda Lavender: welcome back susan
Susan Aloix: ty lucinda
Santoshima Resident: wb, susan
Susan Aloix: ty san :)
Calvino Rabeni: I agree, a personal preference and inclination is important, but I suspect there is social-level knowledge at work too, about the very possibilities of such relationships
Santoshima Resident: possibly
Calvino Rabeni: WB Susan :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes Cal. WB Susan
Susan Aloix: ty cal :)
Susan Aloix: :) aphro :)
Lucinda Lavender: thinking of how getting brave enough to join is onething...and then how to maintain the connection to a group...
Aphrodite Macbain: maintining the connection is the hard work for me
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Lucinda Lavender: I have been on both ends recentlly
Aphrodite Macbain: to sustain an interest
Aphrodite Macbain: and find a relevance
Calvino Rabeni: For instance sometimes a lot goes on in salons and barber shops .. people who work there are in a unique position with their community ... they can be of great help, without the need (and maybe advantage?) of being designated as the purveyor of a tradition or philosophy
Lucinda Lavender: when there is a container...that is strong it seems easier to be honest there
Lucinda Lavender: to trust
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps it's the container- that allows people within it to feel safe , feel relevant, and get stimulated
Santoshima Resident: for sure, people who are entrusted with the physical nurturing of others, the tradition is embedded in the role, cal
Calvino Rabeni: nods, the salon is a different kind of container than the temple
Santoshima Resident: almost the same
Santoshima Resident: ritual that is shared
Santoshima Resident: and understood
Santoshima Resident: expected
Santoshima Resident: certain social "dialects" that are beyond words
Aphrodite Macbain: Newfoundland pubs are like that! Everone knows you. There's alot going on.
Calvino Rabeni: yes
--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: and there is an underlying ritual for belonging'
Aphrodite Macbain: Gotta go - another sangha calls!
Calvino Rabeni: I find it a little different in small towns ... the town itself is a bigger container that echoes the smaller ones in it ..
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Aph
Susan Aloix: bye aphro :)
Santoshima Resident: so long, Aph
Lucinda Lavender: see you later aph
Santoshima Resident: Luci, want to say more about connection ...
Lucinda Lavender: hmmyes
Lucinda Lavender: well I guess I have sometimes thought I was ready for a commitment and then changed my mind
Lucinda Lavender: that is kind of confusing
Santoshima Resident: where is the confusion?
Lucinda Lavender: but going to a deep level in person with others seems better than from a distance
Lucinda Lavender: for me
Lucinda Lavender: unless you spend a lot of time communicating with each other to build the connection I guess
Lucinda Lavender: I sorry to talk so much...it is just on my mind
Lucinda Lavender: building connections that seem real with others takes time
Calvino Rabeni: not at all, Cinda
Lucinda Lavender: and work
Calvino Rabeni: yes it is
Lucinda Lavender: relationship requires connection and time...
Calvino Rabeni: true
Lucinda Lavender: sometimes a child will be removed from a classroom at school...then you have to sort that out
Lucinda Lavender: what could I have done as a teacher...? etc
Calvino Rabeni: There's been a parallel inquiry in the business world for a long time, about how to build intelligent organizations ...there the main container was the corporation, rather than a religion or philosophy .. And it became one of the ways that spiritual ideas were imported into the world of the corporation.  One developer in that world decided that what the groups actually needed most was better, deeper, more trusting one-on-one relationships. 
Lucinda Lavender: !
Lucinda Lavender: I believe that...
Calvino Rabeni: It's a safety and support for the people involved ... since business affiliations can come and go.
Santoshima Resident: that is really an interesting shift
Claire Maskelyne: Hello, everyone. ^-^/
Santoshima Resident: hey Claire, glad you could come
Calvino Rabeni: In a way any group / organization can be a sangha-like community of practice
Claire Maskelyne: How so, Calvino?
Lucinda Lavender: we have some in our classrooms that ask for lots of attention...some who do not...I think for me being attentive equally makes for a safer place...
Calvino Rabeni: like the child care community or any other, if the people in it have supporting relationships that go beyond,  and deeper than just getting the job done
Calvino Rabeni: but I think it could start there
Lucinda Lavender: it takes lots of discerment when look at a group
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: typing and erasing
Lucinda Lavender: many thoughts
Calvino Rabeni nods
Lucinda Lavender: So is Pab a Sangha?
Calvino Rabeni: Not officially ... but with a broad definition of sangha it has some characteristics of one
Calvino Rabeni: so I'd like to say yes
Santoshima Resident: sure
Lucinda Lavender: I don't mean to sound dramatic with the question..only thinking in what ways is it like one?
Lucinda Lavender: I feel connection with many people here...
Lucinda Lavender: certain practices are being worked on...
Calvino Rabeni: there's a certain understanding of how people may speak ... and the fact that things are ongoing / repeating means it may support intentions that take time to develop
Santoshima Resident: the idea of "sangha" provides an understanding that we are not separate
Santoshima Resident: that there in interconnection
Santoshima Resident: between people
Santoshima Resident: and animals, even
Santoshima Resident: plants
Lucinda Lavender: everthing bring energy in to the mix?
Lucinda Lavender: even the things we are mainly caring for as does Luci:)
Calvino Rabeni: we're more interconnected than we realize, more I'd say than we are capable of being conscious of
Claire Maskelyne: I'd like to throw something in here...
Claire Maskelyne: Is it odd that I mostly feel more connected to animals?
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Animals put us in touch with very basic connection truth, without the confusions that sometimes come with human relationships
Susan Aloix: other warm blooded animals are incredibly emotional and accessible...it makes a lot of sense youre connected to them (what cal said)
Claire Maskelyne: Yes, but it's not just them.
Claire Maskelyne: I feel that their needs are easier to read and address.
Claire Maskelyne: They're definitely capable of dishonesty, but it serves them more often to be honest with the humans they're connected to.
Claire Maskelyne: And I don't feel quite so helpless when trying to tackle their needs.
Susan Aloix: nods....
Susan Aloix: makes sense
Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking about the animal therapists, like the Dog Whisperer, who work with the not-so-easy animal relationships
Lucinda Lavender: interesting...
Calvino Rabeni: yes,  as humans we have a great deal in common with all mammals, as emotional beings
Claire Maskelyne: It's not just warm-blooded ones for me.
Claire Maskelyne: I can be reasonably certain that a spider stuck in my bathtub and trying to climb the side is distressed, and I can (probably) help it by sticking it outside on the balcony.
Santoshima Resident: sounds like the silverfish that get rescued from the tub over here
Santoshima Resident: catch and release of the young rats brought in by the cats
Calvino Rabeni: that's a great ability, to relate empathically to many life forms
Susan Aloix: brb
Claire Maskelyne: It's scary to want to relate to insects, I admit... many of them, or most, lead very violent lives.
Claire Maskelyne: At least by our standards.
Claire Maskelyne: Spiders are a little easier to read, because of the human connection with tarantulas, and the knowledge that certain cave spiders live in family groups for some time.
Claire Maskelyne: Oh, and scorpions. They're pretty easy to read, too.
Lucinda Lavender: family groups...wow!
Lucinda Lavender: i did not know that.
Calvino Rabeni: I think it's interesting how much social concepts are getting into the way people understand animals
Calvino Rabeni: or even plants and bacteria
Calvino Rabeni: groups of plants behave favorably to their "siblings" for instance
Calvino Rabeni: and bacteria pass information and learn from their groups
Calvino Rabeni: and use the knowledge of others in their groups
--BELL--

Claire Maskelyne: I know... but I don't like the exclusionary way people read it.
Claire Maskelyne: Like, that we and other creatures grow closer to family groups and communities only to exclude and be hostile to those outside them.
Claire Maskelyne: As if the bonds of kinship depended more on genes than proximity and trust.
Lucinda Lavender: Fascinating topics...I must go for now...get ready for another week. Thanks and good night to all:)
Claire Maskelyne: Good night, Lucinda. :)
Calvino Rabeni: Good night Cinda
Susan Aloix: night cinda
Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, bacterial "sangha" ...? maybe that's stretching it, but social intelligence seems nearly universal in living creatures
Santoshima Resident: typed that, too, then erased: bacterial sangha
Calvino Rabeni: heh
Santoshima Resident: our teachers: the stars, minerals, creatures seen and unseen
Claire Maskelyne: Why are they our teachers?
Santoshima Resident: luck of the draw
Santoshima Resident: dunno
Calvino Rabeni: I think a teacher can be anything one decides to learn from and accord some respect
Santoshima Resident: yes, i agree, Cal ~ and often unexpected
Calvino Rabeni: It reminds me of Emerson's poem "The Apology" about reading the Book of Nature

I go to the God of the Wood ... to fetch his word to Men
...
There was never Mystery, but, 'tis figured in the flowers
No secret History, but birds tell it, in the bowers

Santoshima Resident: great
Calvino Rabeni: The metaphor of reading a book has been a good way for the intellectual mind to get more connected with many things
Calvino Rabeni: it's helpful, though a little indirect
--BELL--

Santoshima Resident: saw a quite lovely film last night titled: Poetry that I recommend
Claire Maskelyne: A film?
Santoshima Resident: from Korea
Claire Maskelyne: That's an odd title.
Santoshima Resident: very gentle, and slow paced
Santoshima Resident: very different sensibility that NA films, even indie
Santoshima Resident: i enjoyed it quite a lot
Santoshima Resident: Poetry, an odd title?
Claire Maskelyne: Yes, I like more serene movies.
Santoshima Resident: oops, sorry to write in the 90 sec break ...
Paradise Tennant: hiya luci cal san claire :) everyone is up late :)
Santoshima Resident: hiya Paradise :)
Calvino Rabeni: Good evening Paradise :)
Santoshima Resident: wb Luci :)
Lucinda Lavender: I was off doing dishes and forgot to quit:)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Paradise
Paradise Tennant: smiles how is everone tonight :)
Santoshima Resident: really well, Para ~ how are you?
Lucinda Lavender: pretty good..
Calvino Rabeni: Adjusting to the winter rains Para ... they've been steady
Paradise Tennant: smiles staying up late not wanting it to me Monday already :)
 

Editor's Note: One thing a sangha does is to provide a protected space for discussing topics of a personal or sensitive nature.  This is similar to the confidentiality assumption surrounding talks with a friend, doctor, counselor, or clergyman.  The following part of the session fit that pattern, in my opinion.  I was in a quandary for a while about how to reconcile the sometimes conflicting needs of reporting and disclosure that this involves.  Should I post it verbatim?  Omit it entirely?  Post an edited version?  After speaking with several people I decided to follow a middle way and provide an edited version that offers some confidentiality by way of anonymity. 

-- Start of the Cloak of Confidentiality --

Q:  I've been rather depressed lately. I think I might have seasonal affective disorder, or maybe it's due to changing circumstances in my life.  But I just can't feel hopeful, or happy.  I'm having trouble eating and sleeping, I can't be creative, I feel lonely all the time, and yet somehow I'm scared to associate with people. And I wake up crying in the morning, longing for home.  And lately it's just like all the color, or even any sense of security, has gone out of the world. I just feel scared and miserable. And I'm not quite sure what to do. I realize that, perhaps, there may be more issues to tackle than I have the strength to possibly do at this point. Everything just feels WRONG. It seems to happen so often in my life.  I'm not just unhappy now, I'm deathly scared that I'll be like this at some other time in the future. And I just don't feel like I could live through that.

A: An honest answer!
Nodding.. in appreciation of that.
Anything you want to share? .. sometimes helps talking a bit :)
I think everyone has been there at some point .. a time when everything just felt wrong and the colour has drained out of life .. all bleakness
Does what my mom would do .. goes to put the kettle on and make you tea ...

A:  Do you write at all?  I have tried the idea of writing 3 pages every morning at some parts of her life( giant plain placemats work well) and write anything that comes to mind...other parts of the brain begin to sort issues out and put them in perspective ...a sense of containment starts up as well..

Q:  I don't feel very creative these days.  Diaries depress me more, by fixing the feeling in my memory.

A:  Containment is a good word temporary is another good word great times past the darkest hours do too
I know what it is like to feel overwhelmed...a person who is open on many levels myself has had to learn how to manage how much I will look at at a time...
In my experience ... Some of the times it's loneliness, sometimes solitude, and I like that solitude has a tradition of respect and depth.

Q:  I feel like it needs something other than writing, though.  Something that really scares me lately is coming to terms with my issues of trust and security.  Because, deep down, I honestly don't feel that I can trust much of anyone. I literally cannot make myself believe that the person I talked to ten seconds ago will not forget me forever. And I certainly don't trust in the future, or myself.

A: Hands a cup of fragrant green tea in a puppy mug
Offers a biscuit and some apple slices

Q:  But it's a really serious issue, and I've only started to realize it lately. I just can't feel secure about anything.

A:  Difficult, yes.
It is serious, but, it's a very human and maybe universal thing to encounter
The sad reality of life is that it is terrifying.  There is no security one moment to the next
I feel the rememberance of being in my 20's...and how that was the hardest...walking through a city was like being in a bad dream (everyone must know each other and I do not belong...so alone feeling)
Remembers and offers a hand to hold

Q:  But how does it ever end?  How can we ever feel complete and secure, and that someone can catch us when we fall?

A:  You find your calm centre .. and relax .. you are complete just as you are ..sometimes that path can be rough ..lonely .. painful .. coming to know that .. is a life long process .. we learn forget learn again
I like the writer John O'Donohue who wrote a book on Belonging ... it's not a make-it-better book, but more like finding dignity and compassion in life's deeper experiences.  I suppose though, I hedge my bets, not looking for a single kind of answer.  Looking for meaning, on the one end ... on the other end, it's been really worthwhile, I found, to cultivate a few good friendships.

Q:  Yes, that's what I want.  But finding the right people right now is tough.

A:  Do you have a dog ? a cat ? a pet of some sort .. they can be an amazing comfort in times of distress ?
I miss the cat I used to have in my last house ... a good / quiet companion (who sometimes did surprising things)
I find, personally, the darkening weather does affect my mood, though I hope to let myself relax into the season... and I work at holding my ruminations lightly, or at least kindly
I think pain suffering .. and that paniced terror that sometimes comes with uncertainty loss loneliness .. are wonderful teachers they make you stronger .. and are part of a natural process .. they almost seem necessary they are so prevailing to our species ..
Yes, would that I had more of that courage to face them.  And the prevalence of this experience... has it been one of the prices that have been paid for freedom?
It takes courage to see what it takes to care of our selves sometimes
I find I notice the circle pattern more in life .. it just goes round ..at your darkest hour .. you are starting back up .. at your brighest moment you are going to be going down
finding the calm center...is about containing the flow of hormones sometimes... I had to learn how to eat enough, sleep enough, meditate, walk... those things helped me to regulate a bit... not become out of balance.  If I would start breathing differently I could start an anxiety attack... had to read up on it...and know that it would dissipate in 20 minutes or so
Meditation helps a lot.
Good sleep, exercise .. supports more emotional resiliency.
There is a wonderful series of talks by Gil Frondsdale http://www.audiodharma.org/teacher/1/
Changing how one sits, sitting more upright can be revolutionary in it's effect..having a full and easy breath can alter mood very much.
We are holistic creatures ... which means lots of things help a little ... and nothing alone can make a huge difference... But, they add up.
Having some small dependable pleasures. 

Q:  But for me, making the right connections has become essential in life... finding the right people to suport me in supporting myself.  The scary part is learning to trust.

A:  I agree about the importance of trust.  It's a central thing.   I think there are ways to sneak up on it.
I've found long walks with the dogs listening to music .. helps .. particularly recommend kd lang's hymns of the 49th parallel... a great cd to listen to when you are hurting.
It is very brave of you to share your feelings. I'm glad you're doing so.

-- End of the Cloak of Confidentiality --

Bertrum: Although I have to leave now, I've taken heart in your strength and in your trust in sharing.
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Paradise Tennant: nite bertrum namaste
Santoshima Resident: bye bertrum ~
Paradise Tennant: sigh I should go too .. 1 am here ... and my alarm will go off in a what will seem a blink :)
Lucinda Lavender: sleep well
Calvino Rabeni: Take care Paradise
Santoshima Resident: thanks, Paradise ~ good night
Lucinda Lavender: I should move myself along as well...
Calvino Rabeni:
Santoshima Resident: nite, luci ~ rest well
Calvino Rabeni:
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Lucinda Lavender: sending best wishes for sleep and rest tonight...
Claire Maskelyne: Thank you. :)
Calvino Rabeni: I will take leave too
Calvino Rabeni: Good night, Claire and Santo
Santoshima Resident: thank you both, goodnight
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks :)
Claire Maskelyne: Good night, Calvino, and good night, San.
Claire Maskelyne: Please be well.
Santoshima Resident: g'night Claire
Santoshima Resident: peaceful night to you
Claire Maskelyne: And you, too. ^-^