The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado.

Region maintenance in progress so started at Kira Cafe:

Zen (zen.arado): Hi Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, the wednesday morning restart
Zen (zen.arado): restart is getting more regular
Zen (zen.arado): around 7.10
Riddle Sideways: other sim just went too
Zen (zen.arado): we are on a little narrow strip
Zen (zen.arado): wonder if anyone evr asked LL to change the time?
Riddle Sideways: btw what is this weeks topic?
Zen (zen.arado): 'endings' I think
Zen (zen.arado): is it the beginning or is it the end?
Zen (zen.arado): from some old song
Riddle Sideways: endings, beginninges = restarts
Zen (zen.arado): heh
Zen (zen.arado): endings and beginnings happen each moment they say in Buddhism
Zen (zen.arado): we put the continuity in there
Riddle Sideways: what does the computer think during reboots
Zen (zen.arado): but we really never know what is going to happen next?
Riddle Sideways: would you want to know
Zen (zen.arado): do computers think?
Zen (zen.arado): big subject heh
Riddle Sideways: so many big subjects... so little time
Zen (zen.arado): yep
Zen (zen.arado): so why bother thinking about them :)
Zen (zen.arado): we are a curious bunch
Riddle Sideways: yep
Zen (zen.arado): I just sat outside for an hour earlier
Zen (zen.arado): didn't do anything
Zen (zen.arado): just sat
Zen (zen.arado): amazing how many things are going on
Zen (zen.arado): I was getting alternately too hot or too cold
Zen (zen.arado): as the sun went behind clouds
Zen (zen.arado): and breeze picked up
Zen (zen.arado): gulls shrieking
Zen (zen.arado): sparrows hopping about
Zen (zen.arado): sounds of rigging of boats
Riddle Sideways: water waving
Zen (zen.arado): an orange butterfly
Zen (zen.arado): but not flying in a skittering flight
Zen (zen.arado): more like a bird
Zen (zen.arado): water always changing
Zen (zen.arado): calm them ripples
Zen (zen.arado): then
Riddle Sideways: like them
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Zen (zen.arado): people walking past
Zen (zen.arado): heads down, worrying about their problems
Zen (zen.arado): a couple of young women immersed in telling each other about boyfriends
Zen (zen.arado): (just guessing that)
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Riddle Sideways: is fun to guess
Zen (zen.arado): looks like pavilion is back
Zen (zen.arado): shall we go back?
Riddle Sideways: a mighty pirate entered
Riddle Sideways: ok
Zen (zen.arado): yep

Return to pavilion:

Alfred Kelberry: mr zen
Zen Arado: Hi Alf :)
Alfred Kelberry: mr riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi Bleu
Zen Arado: a quick return today
Riddle Sideways: Hi pirate
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Alfred Kelberry: am i correct that our sim is running the beta rc code?
Riddle Sideways: Hi Eliza
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, artsy beauty :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen, everyone
Bleu Oleander: :))
Riddle Sideways: only know sim just restarted
Alfred Kelberry: eliza girl :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza :)
Zen Arado: never heard of it Alf
Zen Arado: I was enjoying September sunshine

Alfred Kelberry: sl status page says that the magnum has been updated, which is a staging server for rc code
Riddle Sideways: Hi Xir
Bleu Oleander: hiya Xirana :)
Zen Arado: Hi Xirana :)
Zen Arado: hope that is good Alf
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Rid, Bleu, Zen, Boxy, Eliza:)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri :)
Bleu Oleander: did the train just whizz through here or was that a virtual dream?
Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)
Riddle Sideways: did not see a ghost train
Zen Arado: it does that to me too
Xirana Oximoxi: what happened? restart?
Zen Arado: yep...just back
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)
Zen Arado: are we still on endings topic?
Bleu Oleander: endings hasn't ended yet?
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: where would you like to be? :)
Zen Arado: nearer the beginning?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: does the wiki have a place that says what the topic of the week is
Zen Arado: like where I am now
Xirana Oximoxi: lol Bleu:))
Zen Arado: don't think so Riddle
Riddle Sideways: ok, will stop looking
Zen Arado: it was talked about but never made it :)
Bleu Oleander: train just went through again :)
Xirana Oximoxi: usually at the guardians session
Xirana Oximoxi: the topics are proposed...
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: I think Storm wanted it on first page each week
Bleu Oleander: we're having a longer mtg on sunday?
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: yes - which is a good idea. My only hesitation would be not to make it seem mandatory (topics)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I've read the proposal of Eliza in email...
Eliza Madrigal: If everyone likes that idea, stevenaia thought it would be a good idea
Zen Arado: lots of meeetings seem to be getting longer lately
Zen Arado: will be in SL all day soon
Bleu Oleander: haha
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe :))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: break for mtgs in rl then
Eliza Madrigal: I used to put my avie to bed :)

Alf's book test:

Alfred Kelberry: i have a question. if you decide to give away old books, but symbolically charge 1 dollar per book, so you put a jar with a note for people to do so. what are chances that the jar will be stolen in the area where you live?
Eliza Madrigal: (says typist)
Zen Arado: just come out grab a meal and back in again
Xirana Oximoxi: all chances Boxy:)
Alfred Kelberry: or if people will even pay
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)
Zen Arado: hmmm not sure
Riddle Sideways: works ok in my area
Xirana Oximoxi: a lot of people in bad situation
Bleu Oleander: donate them
Alfred Kelberry: well, i'm conducting an experiment. so far it works :)
Xirana Oximoxi: in Spain now
Zen Arado: some people leave books places
Bleu Oleander: hi San :)
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, a surprise for me though. i thought catalan folks are kind and friendly.
Xirana Oximoxi: hello San
Riddle Sideways: Hi san
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San
Zen Arado: Hi San :)
Santoshima Resident: hi Bleu, Xir, Eliza, Zen, everybody
Zen Arado: leave books with a message to pass book on
Xirana Oximoxi: they are :) but when you have a 20 % or more of people without work....
Alfred Kelberry: eh... that's tough
Riddle Sideways: hi Storm
Zen Arado: Hi Storm :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Storm :)
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, is it the same number in spain as a whole?
Santoshima Resident: hallo Storm
Eliza Madrigal: there are many coffee shops that have book exchange shelves too
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Storm! :-)
Storm Nordwind: Hi all
Xirana Oximoxi: well...big cities more concentrated
Zen Arado: depends where you leave the books
Zen Arado: a country town different from big city I think
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, that was the idea (donating), but then this cunning plan of a social psych experiment came up :)
Riddle Sideways: hometown area still has lots of farms with stands by the road.
Bleu Oleander: :)
Riddle Sideways: people leave money for whatever they take
Xirana Oximoxi: in Catalonia there are people that share books in the street, books they have read....but let them at some places and don't ask for money
Alfred Kelberry: riddle, may i ask what area do you live?
Riddle Sideways: now live in california
Alfred Kelberry: xiri, that's great
Alfred Kelberry: riddle, good to know it would work in cali
Alfred Kelberry: my base case was nova scotia. it would certainly work there :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I can not find the webpage with the infomation about sharing books...maybe they do it no more :)
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Alfred Kelberry: maybe they all moved to kindle

My body experiment:)

Zen Arado: I was thinking of doing an experiment with where the body ends
Alfred Kelberry: zen, interesting
Zen Arado: 'Tune into sensing rather than thinking, and it is immediately clear that this so-called “body” is not a solid, enduring thing at all. It’s a mass of ever-changing, vibrating, pulsing sensations and activities. In the world of sensation, you cannot actually find where this body begins and ends.
Alfred Kelberry: Non-Duality Press :)
Zen Arado: 'No boundary between “your body” and “the room in which you are sitting” can be located in sensation. The boundary is conceptual.Tollifson, Joan (2012-08-29). Nothing to Grasp (Kindle Locations 647-648). Non-Duality Press. Kindle Edition.

Zen Arado: sorry for all the credits
Alfred Kelberry: credits are nice
Zen Arado: it adds them autromatically
Storm Nordwind always found tuning into thinking much harder than tuning into sensing :)
Zen Arado: hmmm think most go the other way Storm?
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps
Alfred Kelberry: storm, unless either appears on its own :)
Zen Arado: I have a strong mental image of my body
Alfred Kelberry: can you describe it?
Zen Arado: I have been experimenting lately with trying to SENSE where it ends
Zen Arado: oh yes and I have a strong image of separation between my skin surface and rest of the world
Zen Arado: but does one exist really?
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: if I try to sense it I can't
Zen Arado: my mind inserts it
Xirana Oximoxi: does this smile exist...for exemple?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: in theory Xiri :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Storm Nordwind: That's a lot of mental stuff. Why not just listen to what the body is telling you instead of asking it questions with your mind?
Zen Arado: I know Storm...that's what I am trying to do
Alfred Kelberry: storm, what if your body wants a cake at 3 am? :)
Zen Arado: not so easy for most of us I am guessing?
Storm Nordwind: Maybe throw away trying. Let it sneak up on you unawares ;)
Santoshima Resident: :)
Zen Arado: can we do an experiment next bell?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Storm Nordwind: If your body wants a cake at 3 am, Alfred, it ends up being a shape like mine. :)
Bleu Oleander: :) Storm
Alfred Kelberry: storm :)

Zen Arado: something like closing your eyes and exploring the boundary between your body and the chair you are sitting on
Alfred Kelberry: storm, as i recall, you're a pretty fit person :)
Zen Arado: where do you end and the chair begin?
Storm Nordwind: Not bad for 60 years old, thank you Alfred ;)
Bleu Oleander: 60 is the new 40
Santoshima Resident: the boundary? you mean the sensations, zen?
Zen Arado: the boundary is conceptual
Alfred Kelberry: zen, not sure what you mean
Zen Arado: I'm saying ..try to notice that the so called boundary is only conceptual and cannot be sensed
Storm Nordwind: To experience a boundary, you must experience what is on either side of the boundary - otherwise there is no boundary. You can experience your body, but how do you experience the chair?
Bleu Oleander: can't you feel the chair?
Zen Arado: and how do you sense the boundary between the body and the chair?
Xirana Oximoxi: different textures give different sensations to our bodies...
Alfred Kelberry: zen, are you talking about imagined reality?
Zen Arado: or try it anywhere on the body
Xirana Oximoxi: so if I sit on a cushion I get a sense different than if I sit on wood
Zen Arado: making a point that the boundary is conceptual and actually not sensed (not sure if I got that point across...oh well)
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Bleu Oleander: but I do sense it
Zen Arado: do it during break
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)

Alfred Kelberry: do you suggest that our senses are not real and conceptual?
Bleu Oleander needs to separate her body from the chair and say take care all :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Alfred Kelberry: bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: byeee
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Bleu:) tc
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bleu
Storm Nordwind: Xirana, the same sensation can arise in different ways. As a rule of thumb, to exist practically in the world, you tell yourself that you experience the wood of the chair. It's a natural way of getting around. But it's just an experience. It could come in other ways, for example, in a dream.
Zen Arado: byee Bleu
Zen Arado: yes Storm it is just a sensation
Xirana Oximoxi: Zen...closing my eyes...the boundaries of the chair become the limits of my bottom :)
Zen Arado: if we didn't know what it was mentally that's all it is
Alfred Kelberry: storm, actually, nerves tell your brain that it exists :)
Zen Arado: no way to tell where you end and chair begins
Xirana Oximoxi: only the two surfaces in contact:)
Storm Nordwind: No Alfred. My nerves tell me that THEY exist!
Santoshima Resident: yes
Santoshima Resident: please excuse me
Zen Arado: can you actually feel two surfaces in contact?
Storm Nordwind: Bye San :)
Eliza Madrigal waves
Alfred Kelberry: they? chairs you mean, right?
Zen Arado: byee San
Storm Nordwind: No Alfred. The nerves
Zen Arado: your bottom and a chair
Alfred Kelberry: ah...
Eliza Madrigal: bye Riddle too :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Riddle Sideways: bye all
Zen Arado: so hard to overcome what you THINK you feel
Eliza Madrigal: was reading this morning, something like.... if you practice, you will see that there is no (need for) practice ... In a few night time session we were noticing that when we attended to "no agenda" we then could see agendas more clearly
Zen Arado: byee Riddle
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's reductionist approach, which is not much practical
Xirana Oximoxi: welll maybe it's only a false perception...but for exemple, if I pu my hand on the table..it has also different temperature than my body
Alfred Kelberry: as decartes who can't trust anyone but his own awareness of self
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Rid:)
Zen Arado: it is very practical Alf
Storm Nordwind: It can be easy. But it may take years of just dropping and opening to what's there, instead of what you think is there
Alfred Kelberry: gah, i think this non-duality has scared people away :)
Zen Arado: not conceptual, practical and sensory
Zen Arado: ah well
Xirana Oximoxi: Storm... yes, the exemple you have said about having the same perception in a dream (if I have well understood) shows that is not easy to drop what we think is there:)
Storm Nordwind nods
Zen Arado: exactly
Alfred Kelberry: i think dropping is most valuable when used as a tool, not a guideline
Zen Arado: this is simly a tool
Zen Arado: a tool to see something
Eliza Madrigal: I loved Myna's analogy of tools as 'what we have' rather than what we are
Zen Arado: I find it hard to see past my concepts
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go too.... have a nice day all and see you soon!! :-)
Eliza Madrigal: bye Xiri :)
Zen Arado: but I realise that's all they are
Eliza Madrigal: you too
Storm Nordwind waves
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye
Zen Arado: bye Xiri
Alfred Kelberry: yes, but as storm showed, there's a danger of taking it as a guideline that spans for years
Alfred Kelberry: oh, lost xiri
Zen Arado: you can fixate on anything
Alfred Kelberry: time to change the subject :)
Eliza Madrigal: am reading Ramana Maharshi this morning "Who Am I?" - fits well with your exploration Zen
Zen Arado: yeh it seems a difficult topic
Zen Arado: just an exploration on endings

Eliza and happiness and enquiry:

Alfred Kelberry: i've always said eliza is the soul of pab :)
Zen Arado: she is :)
Eliza Madrigal: why do you say that Alfred - you disagree with me about so much...
Alfred Kelberry: a lone candle in a way
Alfred Kelberry: i do
Storm Nordwind: But we are polite candles :)
Zen Arado: an encouraging candle
Storm Nordwind: sharing sparks
Eliza Madrigal: read also this morning... love comes from happiness...not vice versa....
Eliza Madrigal: thought that was beautiful
Zen Arado: yes nice
Storm Nordwind: Sounds very analytical Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: so sense of happiness as fostering connection
Zen Arado: sometimes sparks won't light anything
Eliza Madrigal: I like to look through things backwards sometimes

Zen Arado: but can only try
Alfred Kelberry: eliza... been thinking of your remark. can i not disagree with you and still admire you? :)
Eliza Madrigal: don't think you need to agree with me Alfred just trying to help myself understand
Eliza Madrigal: people are complex so of course I think there is room for many contradictions :)
Alfred Kelberry: i think you encompass well of what pab essence is... a sort of balanced view that unites all of us
Zen Arado: true
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Alfred
Zen Arado: nicely put Alf
Eliza Madrigal: maybe I'm feeling extra sensitive lately
Alfred Kelberry: i may disagree you, but i do acknowledge this role that i think you hold in pab
Storm Nordwind: I rather think Eliza epitomizes our spirit of enquiry, balanced or unbalanced! ;)
Zen Arado: yes she does
Alfred Kelberry: unbalanced eliza? that's an oxymoron :)
Eliza Madrigal: ah, Alfred needs more enquiry....
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: Eliza has openness
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, not at the moment :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: not many have that
Storm Nordwind: Balance requires a still center, unshifting. Who amongst us has that?
Eliza Madrigal: maybe together we have that
Alfred Kelberry: storm, eliza :)
Zen Arado: it's like we have to timidly allow little chinks of light in
Eliza Madrigal: sweet
Eliza Madrigal: I hope everyone will bring some ideas this weekend
Zen Arado: ideas have to fit with ideas of others often
Alfred Kelberry: as i understand the big question on the agenda is what to do with lack of activity at pab?
Zen Arado: my ideas are too far out sometimes
Alfred Kelberry: zen, or far in :)
Eliza Madrigal: those would be great to bring :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i have a suggestion
Eliza Madrigal: I just erased a line that I would wish for everyone to bring their personal wild ideas/wishes...
Alfred Kelberry: will bring it up if i make it
Eliza Madrigal: doesn't mean it all happens
Eliza Madrigal: OK great Alfred
Eliza Madrigal: I think continuity of sessions nurtures our community... that there is some core importance there....
Zen Arado: yes

Creative Writing:

Zen Arado: I went to the Commune group yesterday and we did a creative writing session
Zen Arado: it was fun
Alfred Kelberry: a clear defined theme would nurture it even more
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhhh would you be able to teach us that kind of form?
Zen Arado: it was simple
Zen Arado: she gave us a theme and we wrote for 20 mins
Zen Arado: then put it on a notecard and shared
Alfred Kelberry: what was the theme?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, like dash writing
Zen Arado: 'Punchlines'
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: would be fun
Alfred Kelberry: what was yours?
Zen Arado: we all write on same theme
Alfred Kelberry: i mean, your "punchline"
Zen Arado: but different interpretations of course
Storm Nordwind: By the way Eliza, what is "dash writing"?
Zen Arado: mine was quite literal
Zen Arado: (I have done too much philosophy)
Zen Arado: but the women wrote very imaginatively
Alfred Kelberry: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Oh... well I'm no expert but in some of the Humane Education classes I attended in SL this was part of the learning - that there was a presentation or topic then a break to free form write
Alfred Kelberry: zen, they tend to :)
Zen Arado: one wrote about Punch and Judy :)
Alfred Kelberry: "Punch and Judy is a traditional, popular puppet show featuring the characters of Mr. Punch and his wife, Judy"
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Zen Arado: she described the shabby booth and its faded colors etc
Eliza Madrigal: In DASH you write *really fast* so you bypass your overly logical/wanting to impress side
Zen Arado: not a Wikipedia entry :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'd like to be in this team of good dores: http://i.imgur.com/eQzgy.gif
Zen Arado: yeh good Eliza
Zen Arado: I need that
Storm Nordwind: Thanks Eliza. I would have thought writing really fast would emphasize my overly logical/wanting to impress side, rather than the other way round!
Zen Arado: I wrote about comedians and punchlines of jokes
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, this is how some writers advise to start any writing
Eliza Madrigal: I guess it is another way to play with the idea of cutting through what's on time... you write so fast you are not editing at the same time
Eliza Madrigal: Top*=time
Zen Arado: it cuts out critical side of brain
Storm Nordwind: Ah... but you tend to fall back on cliches and old habits, no?
Zen Arado: allows creative side more freedom
Storm Nordwind: shortcuts?
Zen Arado: maybe
Eliza Madrigal: well some may .... but I think if you practice it a long time you get to the juice faster and faster
Zen Arado: but also get new ideas
Eliza Madrigal: it is another angle on "morning pages"
Zen Arado: I am going to do a course on creative writing
Eliza Madrigal: julia cameron's idea that you write one page every morning that exists to be thrown away
Zen Arado: just decided yesterday
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Zen Arado: yes I used to do that
Zen Arado: 'The Artist's Way'
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Alfred Kelberry: i don't like the thrown away idea :)
Storm Nordwind: Maybe these are just ways of getting the mind out of the way of the sense... again! ;)
Storm Nordwind: *senses
Alfred Kelberry: unless it sucks
Zen Arado: yes !!
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... they are all tricks
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I need them :)
Zen Arado: I used to do freewriting for philosophy dissertation
Zen Arado: helped me to get something written
Zen Arado: then...I could be critical
Eliza Madrigal: as trust develops the tricks fall away naturally perhaps, but there is still something comforting about them if they've been a base practice....
Alfred Kelberry: storm, you can probably say "drop expectations" and just lay it out
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nods Zen
Zen Arado: you can write from your life experiences
Zen Arado: as a basis
Zen Arado: I feel excited about this
Eliza Madrigal: think it is a great idea Zen
Alfred Kelberry: yes, here's your sunday proposal :)
Zen Arado: it's like things were leading up to it
Zen Arado: ever get that feeling?
Alfred Kelberry: er... can we limit the essay though? say 140 chars? :)
Eliza Madrigal: \yes Zen--- remember your being preoccupied with your blog recently
Eliza Madrigal: hmmmm.... interesting Boxy
Zen Arado: I'm talking about doing Creative Writing course
Eliza Madrigal nods.... your wanting to write more has been bubbling up
Zen Arado: but I know little about it
Zen Arado: I have only done pedantic stuff
Zen Arado: don't know if I could be creative
Eliza Madrigal: what would be the question for a Dash writing from guardians, Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: themes, you mean?
Zen Arado: could have a session here easily enough
Eliza Madrigal: no, was thinking if we included it in a session... not guardian session cause that may scare some not to come
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: why scare? it's optional
Zen Arado: people can be shy about these things
Eliza Madrigal nods
Alfred Kelberry: we pick a theme, type away in real time and then share
Zen Arado: and sharing what they write
Alfred Kelberry: zen, then they don't share
Eliza Madrigal: it would be a good form to play with though, maybe not for this meeting
Zen Arado: some are very shy about talking in sessions even
Zen Arado: ok but we need someone to share
Alfred Kelberry: what is the question?
Zen Arado: and encouraging people
Alfred Kelberry: zen, people who do share will encourage those shy ones
Storm Nordwind: Creative writing is a mirage, a ghost that may indeed scare some people. But it's an illusion. Like if you set aside a special time to be completely natural, you end up being completely forced! Better maybe to take the word "creative" out of the title and restore the playfulness?
Eliza Madrigal: :) "Be funny!"
Zen Arado: hmmm could be Storm
Eliza Madrigal: >freeze<
Zen Arado: just writing :)

Alfred Kelberry: storm, dash writing :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'd still proofread before sharing :)
Zen Arado: :)
Alfred Kelberry: but try not to alter
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind: Remove expectations and the fear (for some) that others may have expectations about them.
Zen Arado: time limit is good
Eliza Madrigal: yes... so hm not 'be creative' but ...?
Alfred Kelberry: what can really be scary is what your mind may come up with without regulation :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: yes...
Storm Nordwind: We'll give you a special X-rated section Alfred ;)
Alfred Kelberry: very considerate of you :)
Eliza Madrigal: Storm, I thought of you the other day, when I learned that there is an ancient magical language (maybe celtic) of reading tree branches against the sky.... I have thought like this for a long time, and never knew there was a name
Zen Arado: some of those women write like '50 Shades..'
Zen Arado: :)
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Eliza Madrigal smiles Zen
Alfred Kelberry: 50 shades... this is everywhere these days :)
Eliza Madrigal: well.... context matters, this was a writing exercise at the commune you said?
Zen Arado: yes ;)
Zen Arado: I just joined it yesterday
Storm Nordwind: Ah Eliza... one can 'read' anything. But yes those ancient arts can sometimes bring benefits to the present.
Zen Arado: but won't get fully involved...if you see what I mean
Eliza Madrigal: heart opening reading... words trail after...
Eliza Madrigal: :) you will if you wear that tag, Zen
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, 50 shades? :)
Zen Arado: 'heart opening' nice
Eliza Madrigal: nope Alfred - am reading Ramana Maharshi and Jim Holt
Eliza Madrigal: and Longchenpa
Storm Nordwind smiles
Zen Arado: 'she felt her knees tremble under the scrutiny of hsi grey eyes....'
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think you two are the only PaBers reading that guys... even of the girls :P
Zen Arado: I started it but gave up
Storm Nordwind: Why read it when you can live it? ;)
Zen Arado: just too mushy
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: well there must be something there that tapped a nerve ...
Eliza Madrigal: just haven't felt drawn to read it
Storm Nordwind: Advantage for whom? :)
Zen Arado: I can't believe a woman could be so...subject to emotions
Zen Arado: so dominated by them
Eliza Madrigal: ah, my cue
Storm Nordwind: And men aren't of course?!
Zen Arado: maybe it's so long ago I have forgotten
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes.... o very few emotional men.... all so reasonable :)
Zen Arado: :)
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Storm Nordwind: suuuuure they are
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: byee all
Eliza Madrigal: bye friends, thank you
Zen Arado: ty for coming
Storm Nordwind: bye!