2012.09.12 19:00 - Love and Compassion

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

A bit of tech discussion began the session

stevenaia Michinaga: I have quite a bit of lag tonght
Bleu Oleander: hmmm I don't tonight
Bleu Oleander: 30 fps and time dilation 98
Bleu Oleander: pretty good
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm where do you see that?
Bleu Oleander: adv tab
Bleu Oleander: performance tools
Bleu Oleander: statistics bar
stevenaia Michinaga: aww, there we go, I had to many programs runnng
Bleu Oleander: what are you showing
stevenaia Michinaga: looking for advance tab in firestorm
Bleu Oleander: i'm using SL v3
stevenaia Michinaga: it may be hidden, do you know the shortcut to bring it up?
Bleu Oleander: hmmm
Bleu Oleander: cont alt D
Bleu Oleander: on mac
stevenaia Michinaga: thanx
stevenaia Michinaga: my draw distance may be too far
stevenaia Michinaga: (lag meter)
Bleu Oleander: I keep mine low
Bleu Oleander: around 100
stevenaia Michinaga: ok, I have stats up, what am I looking for?
stevenaia Michinaga: time dilation .98
Bleu Oleander: FPS
Bleu Oleander: at top
Bleu Oleander: hey Lila
stevenaia Michinaga: 44.7
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Lila
Bleu Oleander: wow good
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Bleu, stevenaia
Lila Darkmatter: superstars filling up the board
Bleu Oleander: about 1/2 down time Dilation
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it's .97
Bleu Oleander: yes nice pics so far
stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
Lila Darkmatter: yes
Bleu Oleander: so good steve ... you shouldn't be laggy
stevenaia Michinaga: I think I had to many applications running and was into VM on my machine
Bleu Oleander: ah yes
stevenaia Michinaga: closed them down cleared things a bit
Lila Darkmatter: cutting into your vim and vigor?
Bleu Oleander: hiya Pila
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Pila
Pila Mulligan: greetings
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Pila :)
Bleu Oleander: nice to see you :)
Pila Mulligan: thanks, same same
Pila Mulligan: hmm, lagging
Pila Mulligan: earlier typed: thanks, same same
Bleu Oleander: just talking about that :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hopeing it clears up for you
Bleu Oleander: yes
Lila Darkmatter is caught up reading i-ching logs - nice way to bring everything together last session Pila
Pila Mulligan: anything topical this evening, in chat?
Pila Mulligan: apart from the lag :)

We begin with the Theme

stevenaia Michinaga: there is a theme this week of Compassion, but we haven;t started yet
Pila Mulligan: nice theme

--BELL--

Pila Mulligan: compassion
Lila Darkmatter: yawning too much - goodness, nice to see you all but I think, zzzz
Lila Darkmatter: <3
Bleu Oleander: (((Lila)))
Bleu Oleander: zzzz well
Pila Mulligan: bye Lila, sweet dreams
stevenaia Michinaga: night Lila, glad we helped with getting you off to bed
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Lila Darkmatter: thank you, very much so :))
Lila Darkmatter: night
Pila Mulligan: I think of compassion as the foundation ethic of Buddhism
Bleu Oleander: hopefully the foundation of any world view
Pila Mulligan: it would be nice
Bleu Oleander: !!
stevenaia Michinaga: looking at "compassion" in wikipedia, someone put a sculpture of the female compassion from Epcot center in forida as the personification of Compassion
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure anything at Disney can be related to compassion
Bleu Oleander: :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: is there a genuine distinction between compassion and love?
Bleu Oleander: one could say that there shouldn't be, however different kinds of love and different concepts of compassion?
stevenaia Michinaga: some loves are not compassionate and relate very lettle to another individual
Bleu Oleander: yes, that's what I was thinking
Bleu Oleander: depends how you define the words
Pila Mulligan: the wiki and dictionary defintions place the suffering of others in describing compassion as how to approach that suffering -- seems Buddhist :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, wonders if there's as many flavors of compassion as there are for love
Pila Mulligan: love need not be limited to others suffering i guess
stevenaia Michinaga: love can out a burdon on others
Pila Mulligan: yes it can
Bleu Oleander: seems a goal of widening our sphere of caring/compassion would be a good one
Pila Mulligan thinks of the several distinct greek terms for love: familial, romantic, divine
stevenaia Michinaga: is compassion self serving, must it be an action not jsut a goal
Bleu Oleander: well perhaps starts as a goal that leads to action
Pila Mulligan: in an evolutionary sense I think both compassion and love are self-serving -- they lift civilization up
Bleu Oleander: in an ideal scenario
stevenaia Michinaga: self meaning all?
stevenaia Michinaga: all selfs
Pila Mulligan: self = self and all :)
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pila Mulligan: atman
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: seems compassion came before love
stevenaia Michinaga: Pila poofs
Bleu Oleander: poof came before love
stevenaia Michinaga: wb pila
Pila Mulligan: ty
Bleu Oleander: hi again Pila
stevenaia Michinaga: :
stevenaia Michinaga: 0
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I was saying that compassion seems to come before love
Pila Mulligan: hmm, in what sense?
stevenaia Michinaga: evalutionary, can you have love w/o compassion
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: the emotions feel similar
Bleu Oleander: yes
Pila Mulligan: but maybe their spectrum of feelings differ
Pila Mulligan: their scope
stevenaia Michinaga: which?
Pila Mulligan: the range of love seems greater than compassion to me
Pila Mulligan: the number of situations where it arises
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, and even to the point of currupt love
Pila Mulligan: yes
Bleu Oleander: I think it depends on how you define love and compassion ... both have degrees of strength
Pila Mulligan: maybe jusyt the term love is more varied
Pila Mulligan: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: thinking here are fewer degees of compassion, less room for compassin "abuse", I can't actually think of any
stevenaia Michinaga: but there can be violence with some formes of love
stevenaia Michinaga: comsuming love of come types
Pila Mulligan: in the Buddhism formula, as I understand it, giving up desire is a predicate to realizing genuine compassion
Pila Mulligan: love + desire is not uncommon
stevenaia Michinaga: where as some forms of love lead to power possessiveness
stevenaia Michinaga: but being consumed by compassion leads to ......love?
stevenaia Michinaga: love of all
Pila Mulligan: all one :)
Bleu Oleander: at least to a wider circle of love perhaps

--BELL--

Pila Mulligan: well, time for me to wander on, nice to see you Bleu and Steve
Bleu Oleander: yes, nice to see you too Pila
Pila Mulligan: may you be filled with love and compassion :)
Bleu Oleander: have a nice evening
stevenaia Michinaga: night Pila, thinking of the highest examples of Compassion
Bleu Oleander: ty!
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy
Pila Mulligan: aloha `oe
Bleu Oleander: I should be off too
Bleu Oleander: night steve
Bleu Oleander: take care
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for your help Bleu
Bleu Oleander: bye bye