Agatha Macbeth: Your face looks rather pale on the board Yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wb aga,san bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, folks!
Santoshima Resident: you must have used a flash, yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, guess due to the facelight
Santoshima Resident: hi Bruce!
Bruce Mowbray unplugs microphone.
Agatha Macbeth: Do people still use facelights?
Yakuzza Lethecus: well iti´s in my default avi outfit :P
Yakuzza Lethecus: came that way
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: evening all
Santoshima Resident: with the clothes?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
Santoshima Resident: hallo wol
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
Wol Euler waves.
Yakuzza Lethecus: no the tux was a freebie on a mexican sim, the skin a freebie from a japanese sim
Agatha Macbeth: You certainly get around :p
Yakuzza Lethecus: not really
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Mexico, Japan
Wol Euler smiles.
Yakuzza Lethecus: so how is everyone ?
Agatha Macbeth: I'm good, you?
Wol Euler: mellow, mostly
Agatha Macbeth: Mellow yellow
Yakuzza Lethecus: also good agatha, what´s been the most memorable and sharable sl experience you had this week ?
Agatha Macbeth: To be honest I don't seem to have been on much...
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like Boxy abandoned us
Wol Euler: he was on earlier, at the 7am
Wol Euler: heh, this is my third session today
Agatha Macbeth: He was in the pub just
Agatha Macbeth: No life eh Wollie?
Wol Euler: none at all, dear aggers, thank you for the encouraging words
Agatha Macbeth: You have a second life, that's all you need ;-)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Yakuzza Lethecus: gosh how to get from there to compassion
Agatha Macbeth: How to get from here to eternity
Bruce Mowbray ponders, "A second life is all you need...."
Agatha Macbeth: You only live twice
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Agatha Macbeth: Don't get stuck!
Bruce Mowbray: OOOOPS.. Wrong hot key.
Agatha Macbeth: Or crash
Santoshima Resident: medic!
Agatha Macbeth: Medici
Bruce Mowbray sees Yaku drinking something fine and gets thirsty.
Agatha Macbeth: Schnapps?
Santoshima Resident: must go paint ~ bye, enjoy the weekend ~
Wol Euler: happy painting, san
Agatha Macbeth: Paint well San
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, San!
Wol Euler: enjoy
Yakuzza Lethecus: happy painting san
Agatha Macbeth: Don't forget the undercoat
Wol Euler: boom boom
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray wishes to interject an appreciative note for Yaku: I really enjoy our voice sessions every Friday at 5 Bells.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for being there.
Agatha Macbeth: I'm quite pleased how my picture turned out
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, bruce
Bruce Mowbray looks at the board of mugshots.
Bruce Mowbray: Your mug is excellent, ags!
Agatha Macbeth: As always :)
Wol Euler: agreed
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Bruce Mowbray: An excellent mug, indeed.
Agatha Macbeth: From a mug to a cup
Yakuzza Lethecus misses a nose to poke
Agatha Macbeth: He's never here when you need him
Bruce Mowbray checks to see if Boxy is in-world.
Bruce Mowbray: nope.
Agatha Macbeth: Nope
Agatha Macbeth: Went off
Bruce Mowbray: Do you suppose that a nearby female boxy is in heat?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the antics in the photo booth yesterday were too much for him
Bruce Mowbray: That's when my RL dog wanders.
Bruce Mowbray: (to say nothing of my typist...)
Wol Euler grins.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: He's not a typist when you're in voice tho brucie
Agatha Macbeth: A voicist?
Bruce Mowbray: Right! He's a vocalist,m then.
Bruce Mowbray: heh hehe.
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, right
Bruce Mowbray: If the linden gods allow it. . .
Agatha Macbeth: Still seems an awfully fiddly thing to me
Wol Euler: voice?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I suspect one's ability to speak in voice in SL has more to do with one's server than with the linden gods....
Bruce Mowbray: When I upgraded my ISP, everything changed -- for the better.
Agatha Macbeth: Just seem so many things can wrong
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza!
Agatha Macbeth: I always love it when Aph can't hear, then realises she turned her mic off
Agatha Macbeth: Liz ♥
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Yakuzza Lethecus: nice to see you
Wol Euler: hello eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
Agatha Macbeth: The white goddess
Bruce Mowbray: YOOOOOOOOOOOO, Eliza!!
Wol Euler: isn't that the dress made from Xir
Wol Euler: 's painting?
Bruce Mowbray: YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Vorder!
Eliza Madrigal: yes it is the skirt of the dress
Wol Euler: hello vorder
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey vorder
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: A bit of Bleu-ism
Wol Euler smiles.
Vorder Forder: hello
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Vorder
Bruce Mowbray: How are all things Icelandic?
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Vorder, lovely to see you again
Vorder Forder: very good
Vorder Forder: autum started today
Agatha Macbeth: Next week here :)
Bruce Mowbray: I've been watching the Ring Cycle on public TV this week -- and came to appreciate that it's mythology going back to Iceland!
Wol Euler: this week already here
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Wol Euler: I woke this morning to find the heating running, turned itself on in the night
Bruce Mowbray: How can you tell that autumn started?
Agatha Macbeth: There's a great way to lose a few hours
Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh!
--BELL--
Vorder Forder: autum leaves
Eliza Madrigal: I can feel Autumn here during the season for a few hours in the evenings
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Vorder Forder: days are getting shorter
Vorder Forder: less light
Vorder Forder: snowing in the north part
Agatha Macbeth: Technically it's a week today
Agatha Macbeth: Autumn equinox
Vorder Forder: candel time
Agatha Macbeth: Do you get 24 darkness up there in the winter? Can'tremember
Agatha Macbeth: hour*
Vorder Forder: days are very short in desember
Agatha Macbeth: Probably aren't far north enough then
Eliza Madrigal: would like that I think... as long as things stay open
Agatha Macbeth: I've been in Spitzbergen in june when the sun never goes down
Vorder Forder: only 66°north
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Bruce Mowbray: My typist is 40 degrees north.
Vorder Forder: in the middle of july the sun hardly goes down
Vorder Forder: only for few min
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm nice
Agatha Macbeth: White nights as they call it in Russia
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: do you feel affected by that, in daily life, the way you behave/feel?
Vorder Forder: during winter time some do....
Agatha Macbeth: Seasonally adjusted depression
Agatha Macbeth: SAD for short
Vorder Forder: I just come from sunny side of the world so I got lot d vitamin I will not worry about the winter
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal nods... was thinking we must be affected in minute ways also... even with small changes much less such grand ones
Bruce Mowbray: Fortunately, my typist has never felt SAD (although he knows folks who do). My7 typist just takes each season as it comes and enjoys them all.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eos!
Agatha Macbeth: Hello E :)
Wol Euler: hello eos
Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome eos
Eliza Madrigal: :) "if useless things do not hang in your mind, ever season is a good season"
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
Eliza Madrigal: *every
Eos Amaterasu: HI Yaku, Bruce Ags, Wol, Eliza, Vorder
Vorder Forder: hello Eos
Wol Euler nods to Elza
Bruce Mowbray ponders "Every step is a good step."
Agatha Macbeth: As long as it's not backwards
Bruce Mowbray: heh heh
Agatha Macbeth: Retrograde motion
Vorder Forder: an ince is better than a mile in a wrong derection
Agatha Macbeth: Too right
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: I may have that quote wrong ::looks it up::::
Agatha Macbeth: Who said it?
Vorder Forder: direction
Bruce Mowbray: I Ching?
Eliza Madrigal: In spring, hundreds of flowers, In summer, refreshing breeze. In autumn, harvest moon, In winter, snowflakes accompany you. If useless things do not hang in your mind, Every season is a good season. - Mumon (1183-1260)
Bruce Mowbray: hhh! Thank you!
Eliza Madrigal: nicer in context
Eos Amaterasu watches the things hanging in his mind
Agatha Macbeth: Who is he?
Bruce Mowbray: "He" is Mumon.
Eliza Madrigal: Rinzai master
Eliza Madrigal: hah Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec.
Agatha Macbeth: Rinzai?
Eliza Madrigal: Mumon, Mumon writes his poetry...
Eos Amaterasu: koan - oriented Japanese zen buddhist school
Eliza Madrigal: (sung in Elton's voice)
Agatha Macbeth: Thx, interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Not to be confused with Mammon presumably?
Agatha Macbeth: Or mormon
Bruce Mowbray digs into his Rinzai sausage.
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wumen_Huikai
Agatha Macbeth: I know banzai
Eos Amaterasu: mu = not; nobody mon (in Rastafarian accent)
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: So not nobody?
Agatha Macbeth: If you're not nobody you must be somebody
Eos Amaterasu: beautiful poem / transmission of how it is
Eliza Madrigal: ty for the reference Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Aha, he's back
Alfred Kelberry: hallo, lads
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alfred
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Return of the dog
Alfred Kelberry: aga, return of the dog 2: judgment day :)
Wol Euler: Zhaozhou's koan: does a boxy have buddha nature?
Alfred Kelberry: zhao-who?
Agatha Macbeth: A bhudda pup?
Wol Euler: a friend of Mumon's
Eliza Madrigal: mu
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Moooo
Eos Amaterasu: whuf
Alfred Kelberry: ah, sacred cow
Agatha Macbeth: Feeling horny
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: sacred boxy
Agatha Macbeth: Praise be to Alf
Alfred Kelberry: amen
Agatha Macbeth: and his bone
Eliza Madrigal: ah... here now is Shih-wu... and a funny little teaching...
Eliza Madrigal: You're bound to become a Buddha If you practice. If water drips long enough, Even rocks wear through. It's not true thick skulls Can't be pierced; People just imagine their minds are hard. - Shih-wu (1272-1352)
Eliza Madrigal: (last one I'll share :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah so
Wol Euler smiles.
Eos Amaterasu: Wumen ask hard questions
Alfred Kelberry: "bound to be" - rather restrictive :)
Agatha Macbeth: I never understand what any of these things mean mind you :p
Eliza Madrigal: well you have to imagine who is he speaking to
Eos Amaterasu: Zen for Dummies
Agatha Macbeth: I'll get that!
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Bruce Mowbray: Suppose the stars fall. Do you know what will happen? A bird will eat them.
Vorder Forder: koan will always give you another question
Eliza Madrigal: <3 that Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Not a wolf?
Wol Euler smiles.
Eos Amaterasu: you can't koan outa here
Alfred Kelberry: i prefer ruby koans :)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we opened a koan of worms
Bruce Mowbray: I prefer ruby Tuesdays.
Alfred Kelberry: nicely structured and there's enlightenment when you finish :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ruby slippers?
Eliza Madrigal: " we gotta get out of this place... if its the last thing we ever do..."
Vorder Forder: but there something hidden is the answer you will get wating on a red light
Eos Amaterasu: acts_as_enlightened
Agatha Macbeth: Said the joker to the thief
Alfred Kelberry: oh noooes! rails creeping in :)
Eos Amaterasu: NDR?
Agatha Macbeth: Well creep them out again then
Alfred Kelberry: ruby != rails - just in case :)
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVCgKsqn30
Eliza Madrigal: well it IS posited by serious persons that our universe was made by a mad scientist hacker... so...choose your path I guess ruby/koan
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Agatha Macbeth: Someone ought to hack the universe
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe that's what magic is
Eos Amaterasu: If useless things do not hang in your mind, Every season is a good season.
Eos Amaterasu: everyday magic
Agatha Macbeth: We did that one E ;-)
Bruce Mowbray is happy to accept this universe as a simulation of one that is a simulation of another, and so on . . .
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Spiegel im spiegel
Bruce Mowbray: nothing hanging -- (of course).
Wol Euler: oh, didn't know you knew Pärt, aggers
Agatha Macbeth: I'm very pärt :)
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth bounces slightly
Alfred Kelberry: do koans have certain describable wisdom or they're as is?
Eliza Madrigal: phrase that another way Boxy?
Alfred Kelberry: an explanation. as in bruce's example. what is the gist of that bird koan?
Eos Amaterasu searches github
Bruce Mowbray: To ask is to miss the stars.... perhaps.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: koans can not be questioned?
Eos Amaterasu: koans can only be questioned
Bruce Mowbray: Everything may bequestioned, of course.
Bruce Mowbray: Hold the mystery within yourself.
Bruce Mowbray: and let it hold you.
Eos Amaterasu: Wumen said, "...[understanding Zen is] just a matter of rousing the mass of doubt throughout your body, day and night, and never letting up."
Agatha Macbeth: Wumen's stuff
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: momen's also
Alfred Kelberry: what is the role of koans then? keep the mystery inside?
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Agatha Macbeth: Ein momen bitte
Alfred Kelberry: wait, let's ask a dictionary
Eos Amaterasu: keep the mystery red hot
Bruce Mowbray ponders, "What is the role of Boxy's nose?"
Alfred Kelberry: "a paradoxical anecdote or riddle, used in Zen Buddhism to demonstrate the inadequacy of logical reasoning and to provoke enlightenment"
Alfred Kelberry: ah, i get it now
Alfred Kelberry: koans work :)
Eliza Madrigal: fair definition as they go
Wol Euler: koan is itself a koan :)
Bruce Mowbray ponders "paradoxical...."
Alfred Kelberry: like gnu perhaps
Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec.....
Vorder Forder: enlightenmet is just to be in the moment?
Alfred Kelberry: bird eats a start - pretty paradoxical to me :)
Eliza Madrigal: rest
Alfred Kelberry: star, too
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Night Yaku :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Yaku!
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS!
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Yak
Alfred Kelberry: auf, yaku
Vorder Forder: good night Yaku
Vorder Forder: or I might misunderstand the moment in a positive way
Eos Amaterasu: no possibility of escape / no need to escape
Bruce Mowbray: Here's what's even more paradoxical (amazing??), Boxy. Thank haiku was written by an inner-city Black 13-year old student of mine -- who most likely had never seen stars in her night sky.
Bruce Mowbray: That haiku*
Agatha Macbeth: Oww
Bruce Mowbray: so why, then, should birds not eat her imaginary stars?
Bruce Mowbray: That was over fifty years ago. . . and I remember it still.
Alfred Kelberry: not a koan then
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. Maybe a koan... not sure, actually.
Eliza Madrigal: ? koans seem to set up impossible choices - dualities (?) and struggling/following through with that til it opens and struggle subsides ... no argument with what is
Eliza Madrigal: which is why it is silly to look up the answer to a koan online in a way
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: also nods.
Wol Euler: the point of a koan is not to know the answer, no more than the point of running a marathon is to arrive at a certain street corner
Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
Wol Euler bows
Eliza Madrigal: once open, maybe everything is a koan but without the distress
Alfred Kelberry: woly, actually it is :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Wol
Bruce Mowbray: An exploration: If something is REALLY REALLY getting to you in RL, bothering the be-dickens out of you, let it be a koan. . . and watch what happens.
Agatha Macbeth: It will just confuse you instead?
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, oh - i like it :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: great
Alfred Kelberry: that's a nice application to rl
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: no boxy, if you wanted to get to that corner you would take a taxi.
Bruce Mowbray: and on that happy note, I must go back to RL now -- to see how many American embassies were torched today.
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: May all be well and all your koans beautiful.
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce, ty
Wol Euler: bye bruce, take care
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, friends.
Alfred Kelberry: woly, but it's not a street race, it's a marathon. you have to run.
Vorder Forder: bye Bruce
Wol Euler: that is my point, dear boxy
Alfred Kelberry: "torched today" :)
Alfred Kelberry: well, i really like how bruce applied koans to rl
Vorder Forder: is the a democracy in usa
Vorder Forder: ?
Vorder Forder: dpm
Vorder Forder: dpm
Alfred Kelberry: what?
Vorder Forder: don´t you have to be man of billions to get voted
Agatha Macbeth: Probably
Vorder Forder: or have billones behind you
Vorder Forder: just a worng thought in a wong place
Eliza Madrigal: corporatocracy
Vorder Forder: at a right time
Alfred Kelberry: when do you think the u.s. will invade iran?
--BELL--
SanFroggy Resident: hop...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Froggy, welcome
Alfred Kelberry: hello, dear frog
Alfred Kelberry: hop in
Agatha Macbeth: Do I hear a frog?
Alfred Kelberry: :)
SanFroggy Resident: I'm having lag problems I think...
Agatha Macbeth: Ribbit
Alfred Kelberry: frog, give it a minute to rez
Agatha Macbeth: I sympathise with you dear
SanFroggy Resident: so how is everything here?
Agatha Macbeth: Koan-y
Alfred Kelberry: eos, your pic is missing from the board :)
Eos Amaterasu looks around
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he's not been in the booth yet?
Alfred Kelberry: apparently
SanFroggy Resident: has Storm been around?
Eliza Madrigal: How are you doing Froggy?
Alfred Kelberry: frog, yes
Alfred Kelberry: he's a sort of regular here
SanFroggy Resident: as well as can be expected :)
Agatha Macbeth: Haven't seen him for a couple of weeks
Eliza Madrigal: Storm was here yesterday 7 am... his session
SanFroggy Resident: He's busy with building and scripting projects I guess
Agatha Macbeth: Oh he's always doing something, yes
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Busy man our Stormy
Alfred Kelberry: a secret project that we're not supposed to talk about
SanFroggy Resident: oooh :)
Agatha Macbeth: Another one?
Alfred Kelberry: so it seems
Alfred Kelberry: kori has landed
Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo K
Eliza Madrigal: Storm is enjoying American football actually... hah
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Korel :)
Korel Laloix: Heya... smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Not playing I hope?
Vorder Forder: hello Korel
Alfred Kelberry: it's nice when you can actually witness the moment someone logs in :)
Korel Laloix: back ina b it.
Eliza Madrigal: came as a surprise for him to enjoy it - seasonal fare
SanFroggy Resident: I've been hopping around some interesting educational sims.
Alfred Kelberry: he went to see a game?
Agatha Macbeth: On a friday?
Eliza Madrigal: anything interesting Froggy?
Alfred Kelberry: he was in a hurry today
Alfred Kelberry: logged in for a minute
SanFroggy Resident: some US southern universities. Interesting land and buildings, but barely anyone around.
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Alfred Kelberry: anyhow, hope he enjoys whatever the activity is
Agatha Macbeth: Well baseball I could understand, but not football
Alfred Kelberry: yes, the edu scene has emptied a bit in sl
Eliza Madrigal: well LL took some of the academic discounts... so SL may be less friendly, but a guardian here is part of a community that you may like "Melloria" - some educational endeavors... also Four Bridges... but you may have found them (I'll give you landmarks)
Alfred Kelberry: aga, both are equally koanish to me :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's a college game or something
SanFroggy Resident: koanish?
Alfred Kelberry: aga, is bristol a nice place to live?
Alfred Kelberry: frog, as in koan
Agatha Macbeth: Well I like it
Alfred Kelberry: aga, yes, but you live in manchester
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I forgot
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler chuckles.
SanFroggy Resident: not familiar with koan either :(
Agatha Macbeth: You know what welsh girls are like
Alfred Kelberry: frog, sec, will paste...
Alfred Kelberry: koan is "a paradoxical anecdote or riddle, used in Zen Buddhism to demonstrate the inadequacy of logical reasoning and to provoke enlightenment"
Agatha Macbeth: I find them pretty confusing Frog
SanFroggy Resident: ah :)
SanFroggy Resident: give me an example :)
Agatha Macbeth: Birds eating stars (or something)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: :) That was a haiku
Alfred Kelberry: that was a haiku
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Alfred Kelberry: i don't know any koans
Agatha Macbeth: Pants
Eos Amaterasu: ah, needed an idea for supper.... bye all!
Wol Euler: bye eos, bon appetit
Alfred Kelberry: eos might, he's a zen practitioner
Agatha Macbeth: You're going to eat a koan?
SanFroggy Resident: kind of like "why did the chicken cross the road?" - "Purple"
Eos Amaterasu: star dust
Alfred Kelberry: koan well, eos :)
Wol Euler: he'll be unenlightened again in three hours
Agatha Macbeth: Bye E
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eos :)
SanFroggy Resident: bye Eis
Alfred Kelberry: frog, i think you nailed it :)
Agatha Macbeth: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
Agatha Macbeth: Fish
Wol Euler: hello violet
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Vi :)
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Wol, everyone :)
Alfred Kelberry: aga :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Violet
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, long name
Alfred Kelberry: vio, hi :)
Eliza Madrigal: parables are koans of sorts - for those more familiar
Ataraxia Azemus: I add a little more every day....it's a project ;)
Eliza Madrigal: needle's eye
Agatha Macbeth: I remember you as Atari!
SanFroggy Resident: hi professorette :)
Ataraxia Azemus: I like Atari, still :)
Eliza Madrigal: Professorette :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Alfred Kelberry: funny, as frog showed us, there are "koans" in western culture, too. except we call them.... jokes, i think.
Vorder Forder: thank you all
Vorder Forder: don´
Eliza Madrigal: bye Vorder :) thank you
Ataraxia Azemus: :)
Alfred Kelberry: be well, vord
Ataraxia Azemus: Be well, Vorder
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Vorder
Agatha Macbeth: mind the volcanoes
Vorder Forder: we all know where to find the anwer::)
Alfred Kelberry: perhaps our joke about a chicken would be just as puzzling to a native buddhist as koans for us :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: maybe they even have the same cult of "western koans" as we do of zen ones and try to learn from them to reach western enlightenment
Agatha Macbeth: Western enlightenment sounds like an oxymoron
Eliza Madrigal: koan in itself
Wol Euler: western enlightenment happens when one opens a refrigerator :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Eliza Madrigal grins
Ataraxia Azemus: :)
Alfred Kelberry: well, humanism can be considered a path to enlightenment in the west
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Agatha Macbeth: what is it?
Eliza Madrigal: well but in the sense buddhism points to it isn't really 'self improvement' - though maybe self actualization is something else...
Alfred Kelberry: which can be an improvement :)
Eliza Madrigal: it is an interesting question yes.. and does factor the whole of humanity
Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go....
Eliza Madrigal: mind darting all over today
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ms Dart
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
Ataraxia Azemus: Mm, I understand....take care, Eliza :)
SanFroggy Resident hops
Eliza Madrigal: lovely to see you all
Wol Euler: hit a bullseye
Alfred Kelberry: get better, liz!
Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
SanFroggy Resident: I'll be hopping too :)
Wol Euler: bye froggy, hop well
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Frog, hop well
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Wol Euler: snap
Ataraxia Azemus: I think I'll look into dinner....I'm feeling kind of loopy, myself
Wol Euler: bye violet, take catre
Wol Euler: *care
Ataraxia Azemus: I'm glad I could stop by for a sec...take care, guys :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you find something nice there Vi ;P
Ataraxia Azemus: Maybe Spanish rice :)
Ataraxia Azemus: G'night!
Agatha Macbeth ponders 'looking into dinner'
Agatha Macbeth: Just so long as it doesn't look back at you
Alfred Kelberry: btw, about suffering. it's a major subject in many religions and i think initially was conceived to help common people deal with difficulties of life. but then later retooled to control population and pacify them.
Agatha Macbeth: Were we talking about suffering?
Alfred Kelberry: we do now :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Alfred Kelberry: koaned you! :P
Agatha Macbeth: You did something
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: wb K
Korel Laloix: Thanks... almost time to head home... smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Alfred Kelberry: we can see it prominently in buddhism (suffering is the way of life - accept it, be docile), but also in protestant tradition, which emphasizes hardship as a way to get a pass to heaven.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes true, but I wouldn't know :p
Alfred Kelberry: aga's koan :)
Agatha Macbeth: Koan get it
Korel Laloix: Very strange interpretation Boxy.
Agatha Macbeth: He's a very strange pup
Alfred Kelberry: kori, drawn from history
Korel Laloix: Christianity, especially Protesting traditions, is very orthodoxic... not praxic.
Alfred Kelberry: as buddhism was spreading from india to china and later japan, local feudals adapted it to their liking and social structure
Agatha Macbeth: (this is a long answer)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Alfred Kelberry: phew... :)
Agatha Macbeth: Everything adapts, even religion
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Alfred Kelberry: those who didn't, died out
Agatha Macbeth: Like the diosaurs
Alfred Kelberry: as communism is about to
Agatha Macbeth: Hasn't it already?
Alfred Kelberry: there are still marginal individuals here and there
Agatha Macbeth: Trotsky's still alive?
Alfred Kelberry: no, to my knowledge
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Alfred Kelberry: woly, do you build anything exciting?
Wol Euler: alas, no
Alfred Kelberry: less work for you now?
Agatha Macbeth: I can rez a prim
Alfred Kelberry: aga, well done girl
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sam
Wol Euler: oh you mean RL, I thought you meant here
Alfred Kelberry: hi, sam
Agatha Macbeth: Build in RL?
Alfred Kelberry: woly, i did mean rl :)
Wol Euler: actually not there either. no new projects
Alfred Kelberry: sam, welcome to pab
Agatha Macbeth: That's a notecard about us Sam
Alfred Kelberry: i should read it
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure it explains much tho :p
Alfred Kelberry: we might as well distribute a koan instead of the notecard :)
Agatha Macbeth: Certainly not what a koan is ;-)
Wol Euler: how would you know, boxy, if you never read it?
Alfred Kelberry: i have, not once
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, this is the worse place for that :(
Alfred Kelberry: i actually was on the wg committee when it was updated
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the think tank?
Alfred Kelberry: but i forgot what it says
Wol Euler: that LM is their meeting place
Agatha Macbeth: They don't meet very often tho I think
Samarju Resident: thank you, I am gonna have a look there
Wol Euler: once a week I believe
Agatha Macbeth: Is it?
Wol Euler: usually saturday midday
Agatha Macbeth: Thought once a fortnight
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well
Alfred Kelberry: worse place? yaku has a voice hour every friday at 11 am!
Alfred Kelberry: you're welcome to join, sam
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true
Alfred Kelberry: yay!
Alfred Kelberry: explore well, sam
Agatha Macbeth: I've heard they do a lot of meetings in voice at Nirvana Island too
Alfred Kelberry: how do they manage more than 3 people in voice chat?
Agatha Macbeth: Just open your map and put it in search
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: It should come up
Alfred Kelberry: aga is leaving
Samarju Resident: bye :)
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway, time for me to move on
Wol Euler: goodnight, aggers, sleep well
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, just saw the time
Alfred Kelberry: be good, manchester girl
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut liebchen ♥
Agatha Macbeth: Bye
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's rather late
Wol Euler: mjmhmm
Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the company
Alfred Kelberry: ms woly, kori girl - goodbye
Wol Euler: bye boxy, sleep angularly
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Korel Laloix: Fix the script?
Wol Euler: not sure :)
Wol Euler: it hasn#t crashed, but it seems to be leaking memory slowly
Wol Euler: that "9090" is the number of bytes left, it keeps declining every time somebody comes or goes
Wol Euler: that worries me a little
Korel Laloix: Never really paid attention.
Wol Euler: no reason why a non-scripter should :)
Wol Euler: it's one of those things that is only interesting if/when something goes wrong
Korel Laloix: There is so much about SL I should pay attetion to but I don't.
Wol Euler: ideally it should be as boring as gravity
Korel Laloix: lol
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: OK.. off to wander until I can go home.
Wol Euler: :)
Korel Laloix: Enjoy the weekend.
Wol Euler: goodnight, korel, see you anon
Wol Euler: enjoyt he weekend