2012.12.28 07:00 - eclectic conversation

The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bertram Jacobus: hi there bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi Bert
Bertram Jacobus: hi riddle
Bleu Oleander: hiya Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi Bert and Bleu
Riddle Sideways: where did the Bleu board go?
Bertram Jacobus: i´m just listening to this nice song, found in suns profile ! ... :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyCH7...ature=youtu.be
Riddle Sideways: the poem was there
Bleu Oleander: ah it's turned around
Bleu Oleander: it's Sun's
Bertram Jacobus: nite on sl ....
Riddle Sideways: oh, great song
Bertram Jacobus: yess ! and a very nice improvisation ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: i loove mc laughlin and the indian instruments as well - so - very nice combination of both for me ! :-)
Riddle Sideways: Inner mounting Flame (his group's first) album is still fav
Bleu Oleander: nice!
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i remember that name (inner mountain flame) from the ancient times ... ;-))
Riddle Sideways: and thank you Bert for the rules of discussion page yesterday
Bleu Oleander: yes very interesting
Bertram Jacobus: such an old remembering = must be something great ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: wow - cool - you like it riddle !?
Bertram Jacobus: i find it extremly challenging, those discussion rules but would be wonderful when discussions would run according to that, at least sometimes - how do you think about it ?
Riddle Sideways: yes, (wondered if Boxy got a copy?)
Bertram Jacobus: no yesterday it was the first time i brouht it to pab ...
Riddle Sideways: not seen Alfred for some long time
szavanna Resident: 's current display-name is "Sunshine".
Riddle Sideways: any else seen?
Bleu Oleander: hey Sunji
Riddle Sideways: Hi Sun
szavanna Resident: hi alljis °͜°
Riddle Sideways: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i am not much in here - so my informations from here are only few - sry ...
Bertram Jacobus: hi there sun :-)
szavanna Resident: hope you are all well today :)
Riddle Sideways: listening to teh John Mclaughlin right now
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm - how are you sun ?! :-)
szavanna Resident: I am well ty Bertie °͜°
Riddle Sideways: again music trumps chat
szavanna Resident: last Friday of the year

--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: i grabbed the mc laughlin link from your profile sun and wrote it down here in the chat before ...
szavanna Resident: oh really °͜°
Bertram Jacobus: yes - so graet ! love it ...
Riddle Sideways: and off we went to "Ma no Pa"
szavanna Resident: yay °͜° I love that
szavanna Resident: Zakir Hussain is my big hero °͜°
szavanna Resident: amazed always when I watch him play
Riddle Sideways: can't stay entire session, so can't claim the recording. Can somebody else?
Bleu Oleander: sure
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Riddle Sideways: wonder where Luci is?
szavanna Resident: hmm on holiday
Bertram Jacobus: i´ll take a coffee - short afk ...
Bleu Oleander: too much partying hehe
szavanna Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: hb Bartie
szavanna Resident: Bertie also :)
Bleu Oleander: hb = hurry back? :)
Riddle Sideways: and remembering the need to write one of those "might not be able to guardian" emails
Riddle Sideways: for next tuesday am
szavanna Resident checks that hat on top of Bleujis head
Bleu Oleander: hehe
szavanna Resident: mm nice hat °͜°
Riddle Sideways: oooo, nice hat
Bleu Oleander: ty!
Riddle Sideways: yesterday, went to Raye's photo shop/gallery
Riddle Sideways: very nice photos
szavanna Resident: ah you did?
szavanna Resident: better to check her website
Bleu Oleander: oh yes, meant to do that!
Bleu Oleander: will go later
Riddle Sideways: hard to tell RL from SL photo shots
Bertram Jacobus: (backk)
Bleu Oleander: wb!
Bertram Jacobus: ty :-)
szavanna Resident: http://rayequinnphotography.com/
Bertram Jacobus: *click*
szavanna Resident: I love her pictures
Bleu Oleander: beautiful!
Riddle Sideways: yes, beautiful
szavanna Resident: she is still very young
szavanna Resident: she will do amazing things I think °͜°
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Bertram Jacobus: great. nice. :-)
Bertram Jacobus: interesting
Bertram Jacobus: since when do you know her sun ?
szavanna Resident: hmm may be about 5 months
Bertram Jacobus: okay ...
szavanna Resident: we seem to be similar - so had fun together from the beginning
Bleu Oleander: nice when that happens :)
Bertram Jacobus: nice ... to find similar beings ... always is pleasure ! ...
szavanna Resident: yes :))
szavanna Resident: you know ...a bit like two art students from the film "Fame"
Bertram Jacobus: so the play as being works even better :o)
Bleu Oleander: :)
szavanna Resident: ;p
szavanna Resident: yes :)
Bertram Jacobus: sounds nice sun :-)
Bleu Oleander: fun to find another playing being to play with :)
szavanna Resident: she has amazing singing voice and have been taking part in theater too
Bleu Oleander: theater in sl?
szavanna Resident: no - in RL
szavanna Resident: high school
szavanna Resident: not sure of the details
Bleu Oleander: ah perhaps we can encourage her to do sl theater?
Bertram Jacobus: many art influences since a while in pab ! ...
szavanna Resident: yes thats my plan hehe
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Bertram Jacobus giggles
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Bertram Jacobus: a plan ... a secret plan ... to get her and bind her ... :o)
szavanna Resident: lets see where these building classes take us

--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: hello korel
Bleu Oleander: hiya Kori :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi korEl
Korel Laloix: HEya
Bertram Jacobus: hi aggers :-)
szavanna Resident: hi Korel °͜°
szavanna Resident: hi Aga °͜°
Agatha Macbeth: Ello ello
Bleu Oleander: hey Agatha :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi aggErs
Agatha Macbeth: Thought I'd drop in
Bleu Oleander: :)
szavanna Resident: dropping is good °͜°
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Bertram Jacobus: why not ? :-)
szavanna Resident imagines Aga dropping in at building class ...
Bleu Oleander: haha!
szavanna Resident: ;o)
Bertram Jacobus: who gives that "building class" ?
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm, I might even learn something...
Riddle Sideways: :)
szavanna Resident: me
szavanna Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: very good teacher :)
Riddle Sideways: self-promotional material
Bertram Jacobus: ah. okay ! the venerable sun ! ...
Agatha Macbeth: I built a wall round my pond with Wol's help ;-)
szavanna Resident: I learn more than the students
szavanna Resident: giggles
szavanna Resident: that sounds strange Bertie hehe
szavanna Resident: ah really?
Bertram Jacobus giggles again ... :-)
Agatha Macbeth: You are giggly today Berti
szavanna Resident: and was it difficult?
Bertram Jacobus: i´m only inspired from your profile sund, excusez síl vous plait :o)
szavanna Resident: ;))
Agatha Macbeth: Not really, I just didn't know how to make the brick pattern repeat
Bertram Jacobus: and i type like a horse :o)
szavanna Resident: kk
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Never seen a horse type
szavanna Resident: hehe Bertie - is this how horses type ?
szavanna Resident: hmm
Bertram Jacobus: for sure not with fingers
Agatha Macbeth: I've seen a horse fly
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Bertram Jacobus: and so - may be difficult ...
Bleu Oleander: no horsing around hehe
szavanna Resident: Bertie is fun ;p
Agatha Macbeth: Hi ho Silver
szavanna Resident stops horsing around
Bertram Jacobus: and your profile is inspiring sun
Bertram Jacobus: ty for that
szavanna Resident: what do you like about it Bert
Bertram Jacobus: the spiritual elements and mc laughlin so far ...
szavanna Resident: he is fantastic
szavanna Resident: I wish I was him :)
szavanna Resident daydreams
Riddle Sideways: His website is great also
Bertram Jacobus: but tenzin wangyal rinpoche is "fantastic" as well i find ...
szavanna Resident: there is a very deep dedication in that group of musicians
Agatha Macbeth: Who is he actually?
Bertram Jacobus: yes ...
szavanna Resident: oh Liz gave me that quote °͜°
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful ! soo nice and beautyful, peace bringing and clarity ! ... ...
szavanna Resident: John McLaughlin (born 4 January 1942, Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England), also known as Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, is an English guitarist, bandleader and composer. His music includes many genres of jazz, and rock, which he coupled with an interest in Indian classical music to become one of the pioneering figures in fusion.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, ty
Agatha Macbeth: I was sad to see Ravi Shankar died
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't know he was that old tho
szavanna Resident: oh I didn't know ;(
Agatha Macbeth nods. About 3 weeks ago
Bertram Jacobus: the buddha teaches : everything is fugacious, so better not clinging and get rid of all forms of greed - then no suffering will be left ...
Agatha Macbeth looks up fugacious
szavanna Resident: ah yes I see sigh
Bertram Jacobus: but feeling sad about such is very normal and also not totally wrong ...
Bertram Jacobus: but the buddhas advice and insight - may help , can help -
szavanna Resident: his students created an indian music club in hungary ...where I used to go to
szavanna Resident: so I often heard about him
Bertram Jacobus: abour ravi shankar ?
szavanna Resident: yes
Bertram Jacobus: where and what ?
szavanna Resident: Ravi Shankar had many international students
Bertram Jacobus: ah. i see ...
szavanna Resident: they created an indian music club in Budapest
szavanna Resident: its still there if you wanna go ;p
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Can I catch a bus?
Bertram Jacobus: want to ? tzzz :o)
szavanna Resident: bus hmmm
szavanna Resident: I would love to - also
szavanna Resident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KalRHm5S-sA

--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: today i saw those international busses at our main station in town - really exotic surroundings : the people, the busses, the athmosphere - fascinating ... may be there were some which go to hungary as well ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Could be :)
Bertram Jacobus: it´s such a difference still between eastern and western europe ! ...
Bertram Jacobus: although the so called "iron curtain" fell down since a while ...
szavanna Resident: ah yes
szavanna Resident: its a different planet also
szavanna Resident: I always wanted to go see the west
Bleu Oleander: :)
szavanna Resident: when I was small
Bertram Jacobus: in a way. yes. so many ways to live on earth (!)
szavanna Resident: but was not so easy - had to get a special passport
szavanna Resident: true Bertie
Bertram Jacobus: again and again i´m astonished about that, about the hughe differences all around
szavanna Resident: I went to Sweden - with my dad - when I was small ... I was amazed by all the shops and how things looked so modern and brandnew
Bertram Jacobus: and sometimes i try to imagine some very differnt ways of living, when i meet or see something of that ...
Bertram Jacobus: and that feels ... really - different, very much
szavanna Resident: here is SA there are lots of different ways of living ...so its fun to explore that
Korel Laloix: YOu should see the differen between a reservation in the states and a regular city.
szavanna Resident listens to Korel
Korel Laloix: Something you really have to see to belieive.
szavanna Resident: I don't know anything about that yet
Bertram Jacobus: i saw a real good movie about that topic korel not long ago but forgot the title, sadly ...
szavanna Resident: can you tell a bit Korel?
Korel Laloix: A lot without indoor plubming.
Korel Laloix: Buring trash to stay warm.
Korel Laloix: Infestations.
szavanna Resident: hmm sounds like the squatter camps here ;(
Korel Laloix: Packs of wild dogs runing aroun.
Korel Laloix: The poorest places in the US.....
Korel Laloix: And the most socialized.
Bertram Jacobus: but they have internet ?
Korel Laloix: SOme do.... at the library only in some.
Bertram Jacobus: ok ...
szavanna Resident: hmm sounds real hard Korel
Bertram Jacobus: the world should become more and more "one", becomes more and more united i guess ...
Korel Laloix: Sad really.
Korel Laloix: No, the oppostie Bertram.
Korel Laloix: W should reclaim or independance.
Korel Laloix: Stop tryign to act like white people.
szavanna Resident: once a was a teacher at an islamic school in a squatter camp that was called "mandela"
Korel Laloix: Stop takign theirhanouts.
Korel Laloix: Start thinking for ourselves again.
Bertram Jacobus: i think that is only a pjase which we experience now. the pains of birth so to say ...
Bertram Jacobus: phase*
Korel Laloix: There is a vested interest in keeping us poor and servile.
szavanna Resident: what do you mean Bertie
Agatha Macbeth: Indigenous populations seem to get a raw deal the world over...
Korel Laloix: Modern day slavery.
szavanna Resident: would be nice to see things balance out
Korel Laloix: Give them trinkets so they vote fro you instead of giving really oporunity.
szavanna Resident: just to imagine it is nice hmm
Bertram Jacobus: i see a "coming together", worldwide sun - only the way is not clear. may be much pain will happen still on this way, but the growing to much more being linked then ever before is inevitable i think sun
szavanna Resident: mmm yes
Korel Laloix: What do you mean bya Comming Together?
szavanna Resident: I think lots to learn from so-called poor people
Bertram Jacobus: and it is important i think, that the individuals learn to become constructive
szavanna Resident: that is really why I came to Africa ....to learn from people that are often considered backwards
Bertram Jacobus loves africa
Korel Laloix: WOld love to go.
szavanna Resident: but also - there is lots separation here too ....
szavanna Resident: different forms of apartheid
Bleu Oleander: everywhere I think
szavanna Resident: yes
Bertram Jacobus: because all the modern inventions : ships, trains, and now that hughe communication link - brings all together korel. a simple fact that is - you know how i mean that ? am i understandable ?
szavanna Resident: wanna see that "comming together part" now °͜°
Riddle Sideways: the 1% class thing is worldwide

--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth watches Bleu skate
Korel Laloix: Yes, we are moving closer together.. but mor important than over to stay orselves.
Bertram Jacobus: and we can focus and support the good or the bad things - if i may express that so simple like this ... solutions or problems ...
Bleu Oleander: take care everyone :)
szavanna Resident: me tooo
Korel Laloix: ciao
Bertram Jacobus: bye bleu
szavanna Resident: byebyeee Bleu °͜°
Riddle Sideways: bye and thank you all
szavanna Resident: take care Riddle :)
Agatha Macbeth: Take care Bleu babe
Bleu Oleander: byee
Agatha Macbeth: U2 Rid
Bertram Jacobus: i think, we can stay who we are at the same time
szavanna Resident: yes you are very clear Bertie
szavanna Resident: its all not easy
Agatha Macbeth: Claity...;-)
Agatha Macbeth: +r
szavanna Resident: yes Agaji °͜°
szavanna Resident: hmm
szavanna Resident: some things are may be a little more clear
Bertram Jacobus: my impression is, that simply geographical aspects help us with that - we are children of that i´m convinces - so : single and nice like a tree, but together as a forest - that is what i mean ...
Bertram Jacobus: convinced*
Korel Laloix: It would be nice if worked out like that.
szavanna Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Understood bert
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful - ty ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Forests seem to have a nasty habit of being cut down tho
Bertram Jacobus: habit ?
Bertram Jacobus: wow sun :o)
Agatha Macbeth: Well we seem to lose more trees than we get back
szavanna Resident waves branches °͜°
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, we just got one!
szavanna Resident: ;p
Bertram Jacobus: yes ! :-)
szavanna Resident: I can even jump °͜°
Bertram Jacobus: an ent ... :-)
Agatha Macbeth: A Sun tree
szavanna Resident: hehe
szavanna Resident: its free on mp
Bertram Jacobus: like those from lord of the rings ...
Bertram Jacobus: nice beings ...
szavanna Resident: hmm yes
szavanna Resident: I hope things improve in the reserves Korel
szavanna Resident: not sure if that is the right word
Korel Laloix: They wont until things change.
szavanna Resident: reminds me so much - how things are here too in Africa
Korel Laloix: Too many polititians need us poor.
Bertram Jacobus: we must support the changes we like to have !
szavanna Resident: its very complex as I realised
szavanna Resident: I wish I could just snap my fingers ..and ppl have electricity
szavanna Resident: and water
Agatha Macbeth: It's easy to forget how hard it is for some people
Bertram Jacobus: with every moment we change the world - so it would be good if we try to do that in a good way -
szavanna Resident: yes
Bertram Jacobus: i fail very often in doing so, sadly
szavanna Resident: I experiment with that Bertie
Bertram Jacobus: but again and again i remind it, at least - to try to live good things
szavanna Resident: I usually just look at my immediate environment
Agatha Macbeth: I doubt things will ever improve as long as people just want to make money
szavanna Resident: and see what can be done on a daily basis
szavanna Resident: hmm yes Aga
Korel Laloix: It is not about money a lot of time, it is about power.
Bertram Jacobus: but aggers : if you view things like that , you help to support such views - the art is, to combine constructive views with reality
Agatha Macbeth: Money *is* power tho K
Agatha Macbeth: That's the point
szavanna Resident: I like how Bertie thinks °͜°
Korel Laloix: Not in some conttexts.
Agatha Macbeth: Well long may those contexts survive then
Korel Laloix: I hope not....
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway I'm making myself depressed now, so I'll go and eat something ;-)
Korel Laloix: But I distrust power more than money.
szavanna Resident: hugs Aga ❤
Korel Laloix: But it may just be a language thing.
szavanna Resident: bon appetit
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
Korel Laloix: Take care.
Agatha Macbeth: Grow well Sun :p
Bertram Jacobus: bye aggers get better soon pls - i like you so much ! ...
szavanna Resident: hehe yes will do
Bertram Jacobus: and all the pab friends ... as well ...
szavanna Resident: I almost got upset Bertie hehe
Korel Laloix: It upsets me a lot.
szavanna Resident: you know Korel - things are so hectic here in Africa
Korel Laloix: But I try not to think about it.
szavanna Resident: and I got so overwhelmed
szavanna Resident: with all the violance and racism
Korel Laloix: Understandable.
szavanna Resident: and and ...
szavanna Resident: but eventually what makes sense to me is
szavanna Resident: be positive and happy
szavanna Resident: and find opoortunities to make things work
Korel Laloix: I try to be that as well... smiles
szavanna Resident: at least that is how I see it at the moment
szavanna Resident: it took me many years to let go of feeling so tense

--BELL--
Korel Laloix: just hard to do when you see such in trenched racism.
szavanna Resident: but at the moment I just feel - each day is an opportunity to do something cool
szavanna Resident: its crazy here Korel
Korel Laloix: I imagine it is much worst there than here.
szavanna Resident: not sure about the US so much
szavanna Resident: so what I did was ...I made an interenet cafe from my house
szavanna Resident: and made sure that everyone comes
Bertram Jacobus: we all experience times and phases of very heavy surroundings and aspects - in the worst case a whole life long - but : there are the good sides as well, always - it may be the question how good we are able to see the bright side - a challenge and wish, a prayer and need that can be. a task and hard work sometimes, but also then, now and then : peace and freedom, pleasure and luck - all that elements of life and universe ! ...
szavanna Resident: from all cultures, age, sexual orientation etc
Korel Laloix: I am trying to do my part by just escaping at the moment.
szavanna Resident: first comes Korel - you must take care of yourself °͜°
Bertram Jacobus: escaping is a ethic correct mean to me as well sometimes korel (!) ...
szavanna Resident: yes Bertie - its hard ...but I agree
szavanna Resident: yes me too
szavanna Resident: then when I have more energy ... I do my best
Bertram Jacobus: can be really wise ...
szavanna Resident: but often I hide lol
Korel Laloix: But very dis couraging when we keep electing leaders that are so sexist and racist like our current president..... makes me sad to see people like someone that has done htem so much harm.
Korel Laloix: Sad and frustrating.
Bertram Jacobus: which president do you mean korel ?
Korel Laloix: Obama
Bertram Jacobus: oh
szavanna Resident: Politicians rarely see things wisely
Bertram Jacobus: i have a better meaning of him, sry ... :-(
Bertram Jacobus: or must i write "about him" ? hope, you understand my words ...
Korel Laloix: Well, understandable... he did not write 160000 dollars of back checks in your name.
Korel Laloix: Or repeatidly inslut your herritage.
Bertram Jacobus: the debt thing in teh world is totally crazy and irreal i would claim, part of the dying system ...
Korel Laloix: Or support abortion politics that target your ethniciyt and gender.
Korel Laloix: But the list goes on.
Korel Laloix: Different subject.
szavanna Resident: I must go make a long phonecall
Korel Laloix: Yes.. thanks for the chat.
Korel Laloix: Going to go cook something.
szavanna Resident: I would love to hear more about it Korel
szavanna Resident: when you have time
szavanna Resident: its nice to share these things ...I learn always
Bertram Jacobus: byee korel
Korel Laloix: Sad how many people do not know antying about the president...
Korel Laloix: Take care.
szavanna Resident: bon appetot °͜°
szavanna Resident: appetit
Korel Laloix: Ciao