2011.11.07 19:00 - Filled with Desire

The Guardian for this meeting was oO0Oo Resident. The comments are by oO0Oo Resident.

Riddle Sideways: Hi Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: rIDDLE!!
Riddle Sideways: was going to come claim this log, but can't


--BELL--


Aphrodite Macbain: What/who are you?
Riddle Sideways: an Android
Riddle Sideways: am testing some software that just broke
Aphrodite Macbain: I can claim it.
Aphrodite Macbain: Try again
Riddle Sideways: Eliza, emailed that needed a replacement
Aphrodite Macbain: Is this your new android ipad?
Riddle Sideways: no, time-wise can't claim it
Aphrodite Macbain: weird. you have no option to claim it?
Riddle Sideways: no the tablet is an Android too :)
Aphrodite Macbain: ah!! Boxy has just bought an Android as well
Aphrodite Macbain: nice colour
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: can you pick up email?
Riddle Sideways: not sure, am reading those emails too
Aphrodite Macbain giggles
Aphrodite Macbain: You are very sweet
Riddle Sideways: but, like Zen usually just copy the link from this textbox
Aphrodite Macbain: what is that black thing inside you?
Riddle Sideways: inner-self
Riddle Sideways: inner-Avi
Aphrodite Macbain: your black inner self
Aphrodite Macbain: he he
Riddle Sideways: shows when sitting :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I knew you had it in you!
Riddle Sideways: go ahead and claim it
Aphrodite Macbain: Shall I claim it and send it to you?
Aphrodite Macbain: snap
Riddle Sideways: I have no time
Aphrodite Macbain: no time to do what? Post the log?
Riddle Sideways: need to get this project tested and done
Riddle Sideways: make some money
Riddle Sideways: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: are you asking me to post the log riddle?
Riddle Sideways: please?
Aphrodite Macbain: hmm OK
Aphrodite Macbain: are you the GOC for this meeting?
Aphrodite Macbain: normally?
Riddle Sideways: already will have tues and wednesday to do
Aphrodite Macbain: omg
Riddle Sideways: nope, Eliza sent an email
Aphrodite Macbain: to everyone?
Riddle Sideways: was just showing up to see
Aphrodite Macbain: saying what?
Riddle Sideways: yep
Riddle Sideways: needed a replacement
Aphrodite Macbain: oh it's hers. Gotcha
Riddle Sideways: big lag here
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll let her know
Riddle Sideways: didn't want to clog emailer with one
Aphrodite Macbain: well it looks like a quiet night
Riddle Sideways: yep
Riddle Sideways: project has been running 15 minutes now with no errors :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi O
Aphrodite Macbain: what is this project
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Samuo
Riddle Sideways: software program for somebody that actually pays
Aphrodite Macbain: Please let me introduce the new Android, Riddle
Samúð (oo0oo): Hi Aphrodite, Hi Riddle (nice Androidy outfit) ;)
Riddle Sideways: got this av a while back
Riddle Sideways: to show Boxy
Aphrodite Macbain: must be tiring on the neck
Riddle Sideways: all twisted up
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Sam
Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza will be pleased
Aphrodite Macbain: Riddle- you are hard to pin down
Riddle Sideways: chat log is like a hot potato
Aphrodite Macbain: Being an elephant is probably easier on the neck and harder on the nose
Riddle Sideways: some things are easier, some are harder
Riddle Sideways: in every situation
Aphrodite Macbain: I just listened to Pema Chodron - from her "retreat" at the end of October. I forgot I had signed up!
Riddle Sideways: does anybody have a topic?
Riddle Sideways: sorry lag here
Aphrodite Macbain looks in her pockets


--BELL--


Riddle Sideways: Hi Observem, long time no see
Aphrodite Macbain: This morning at Original Face we talked about Desire, A huge topic. We could explore that if you would like.
Aphrodite Macbain observes Observem
Riddle Sideways: ah, Desiring an original face
Aphrodite Macbain: How it can be useful and how it can be hard to manage
Aphrodite Macbain: It kind of led to discussing passion and rationality
Aphrodite Macbain: rationalism?
Aphrodite Macbain: and how they are combined in the brain each feeding the other

Samúð (oo0oo): But in a closed container eh Aph?

Aphrodite Macbain: apparently recent neuroscience has observed they work together and are not separate as commonly thought before

Aphrodite Macbain: How do you mean 0?

Riddle Sideways: rationalizing our desires as worthwhile and needed
Aphrodite Macbain: apparently desire or emotion comes first; the rational brain then deals with these emotions- shapes and translates them
Aphrodite Macbain: makes sense of them
Aphrodite Macbain: Dunno
Aphrodite Macbain: Cal has done a lot of reading on the subject
Aphrodite Macbain: or we can talk about something else...
Samúð (oo0oo): Are Passion and Desire understood to be interchangeable? What is meant by each?
Aphrodite Macbain: Good question. They weren't defined. But within the context of the conversation, desire was part of the passions.
Aphrodite Macbain: We talked a lot about wanting things, never being satisfied, aways wanting more.
Riddle Sideways: sorry, need to leave. thank you
Aphrodite Macbain: But also realized that desire was a great motivator for action
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Riddle
Aphrodite Macbain: I wish we had had more time. It's a big subject
Samúð (oo0oo): In this context.. PaB... i wonder.. contemplate how desire.. may influence dropping, or impulses to speak in ways or at times
Samúð (oo0oo): Bye riddle
Aphrodite Macbain: We also talked about having a mini OF retreat; there is never enough time to fully discuss things
Aphrodite Macbain considers how desire might influence dropping
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps a desire for simplicity and truth
Aphrodite Macbain: for seeing clearly
Aphrodite Macbain: It certain influences our impulses to say things - a desire to be heard and understood


--BELL--


Samúð (oo0oo): Maybe a desire for more time, or closure, or 'complete' understanding, or satisfaction...
Aphrodite Macbain: You speak my mind
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
observerm Resident waves
Aphrodite Macbain whispers Hi Stevenaia. we are in a pause
stevenaia Michinaga: nice view from here, now I understand Observer
stevenaia Michinaga: ok
Aphrodite Macbain: Desire for closure is a strong one
Samúð (oo0oo): Hi Steve, Hi observerm
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Aph, Samúð
Samúð (oo0oo): topic is desire Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, I have those, but few wants
Aphrodite Macbain smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: how would you define them Stevenaia
Aphrodite Macbain: as well as needs
stevenaia Michinaga: thinking,
Samúð (oo0oo): and passion
Samúð (oo0oo): and craving
stevenaia Michinaga: I could live a much simpler life
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. I wonder if passion is a part of desire. Perhaps they are on a continuum
stevenaia Michinaga: that is a desire
stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t need to :)
Aphrodite Macbain: with craving at the extreme end of it
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Tess
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you crave?
Tess Aristocrat: hello
stevenaia Michinaga: I think possiveness is the extreme
Samúð (oo0oo): hi tess
Aphrodite Macbain: possessiveness?
Aphrodite Macbain: lots of sses
Aphrodite Macbain: tess
stevenaia Michinaga: wanting something that does not belong to you
stevenaia Michinaga: hi tess
Aphrodite Macbain: a coveting thy neighbour's ass?
Tess Aristocrat: I long to belong..
Aphrodite Macbain: is a longing a desire?
stevenaia Michinaga: is that a desire or a need?
Aphrodite Macbain: longing and belonging.
Tess Aristocrat: longing is a desire
Aphrodite Macbain: LOnging for belonging
Aphrodite Macbain: isn't that at the heart of it?
Tess Aristocrat: a desire to fit 'in' somewhere ㋡
stevenaia Michinaga: you can be quite content alone
Tess Aristocrat: a happy niche
Tess Aristocrat: I am happy alone
stevenaia Michinaga: you can also be quite content being yourself and make others happy in the process
Aphrodite Macbain: but we are all, in some way, social and part of a culture
Aphrodite Macbain: and need that connection with the larger world.
Tess Aristocrat: but I long to belong to ...something ㋡
Aphrodite Macbain: yes..
Aphrodite Macbain: to be accepted, respected, and perhaps needed
Tess Aristocrat: or rather, to be a part of it
Tess Aristocrat: yes : )
stevenaia Michinaga: I think we should concentrate on the connection to ourselves first
stevenaia Michinaga: then expand outword
Samúð (oo0oo): hard to confirm what can only be another's oppinion
Aphrodite Macbain: at what point do we connect with others Stevenaia?
Aphrodite Macbain: when we're past 70?
stevenaia Michinaga: with what Samod said, with opinions of others
Samúð (oo0oo): what do you think Aph?
stevenaia Michinaga: who's past 70?
Aphrodite Macbain: I think we do both at the same time
stevenaia Michinaga: when you look inward and see quiet, others see it too
Aphrodite Macbain: learn from others and learn from ouselves unless we are locked in a basement and kept away from others
Aphrodite Macbain: we are both individuals and part of collectives - like PAB for instance
stevenaia Michinaga: I learn more from others about myself than I do being busy self judging
Aphrodite Macbain: Why do you come here Stevenaia?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: to learn
Aphrodite Macbain: from others
Aphrodite Macbain: that was my point
stevenaia Michinaga: about you, about me from others
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. exactly
Tess Aristocrat: I guess I just want to feel I've done something for the good of it all after I have finished up..
Tess Aristocrat: that's it.. ㋡
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- to help other sentient beings to be happy
stevenaia Michinaga: I actually hope there is something to be found here
stevenaia Michinaga: good for instance
Aphrodite Macbain: by knowing oneself but learning from the dharma with the sangha
stevenaia Michinaga: I put everyone in charge of their own happyness
Tess Aristocrat: yes ㋡
Samúð (oo0oo): how does desire... see?
Aphrodite Macbain: I like to help them out from time to time. Create conditions where they can be happier
stevenaia Michinaga: I can only amuse and be amused by what life brings
Aphrodite Macbain: How does desire see?
stevenaia Michinaga: see?, let's ask in the next break
Aphrodite Macbain: Does desire see?
Aphrodite Macbain: Desire feels
Aphrodite Macbain: as a result of seeing


--BELL--



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Aphrodite Macbain: De-sire means "from the stars" . We are achieving cosmic desire perhaps
Aphrodite Macbain: a desire to continue
stevenaia Michinaga: See 2 desires, the one you can have in your pocket, (the one you wear, and the the one that wears you (overtakes you)
Aphrodite Macbain smiles
Tess Aristocrat: Desire can see, if desire is that which is in the heart that wants
Aphrodite Macbain nods
stevenaia Michinaga: learns alot sometimes in 90 seconds
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Tess Aristocrat: what it wants takes shape in form of idea or object
Aphrodite Macbain: just by desiring to think about something
stevenaia Michinaga: I think I have a pocket filled with desire
Tess Aristocrat: ㋡
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a soul filled with desire
Tess Aristocrat: It is like a reaching outwards
stevenaia Michinaga: what reached outward?
Samúð (oo0oo): grasping?
Aphrodite Macbain: not that hungry
Tess Aristocrat: your thoughts..your being..that reaches outward
Aphrodite Macbain: more loving
Aphrodite Macbain: than grasping
stevenaia Michinaga: there is loving and there is desire for loving, which isn't loving
Tess Aristocrat: with tentative antennae
Aphrodite Macbain: true Steve
Tess Aristocrat: Santoshima ㋡
stevenaia Michinaga: cat arrives for his dose of loving
Aphrodite Macbain: cats asleep on bed
Santoshima Resident: greetings
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi San
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Santos
Santoshima Resident: hi
Aphrodite Macbain: we're talking about desire
Samúð (oo0oo): Hi Santoshima
Santoshima Resident: good idea, talking about desire
Aphrodite Macbain: Please join us
Santoshima Resident: i'll stay in the white roses for that discussion







Tess Aristocrat: ㋡
Aphrodite Macbain: Watch out for the thorns
stevenaia Michinaga: I was enjoying an observerm perspective for a bit too
Santoshima Resident: yeah, rosey
Santoshima Resident: and a little thorny
Aphrodite Macbain: like desire
Santoshima Resident: please continue
Aphrodite Macbain: we were talking about the different types
Aphrodite Macbain: I was trying to remember our discussion from this morning
stevenaia Michinaga: is it posted?
Aphrodite Macbain: No. It is not open for reading.
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: It allows for a safe place to share
Tess Aristocrat: I think desire is simply one thing. It is many things that can be desired.
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you remember any of the observations San - from Cal's introduction?
Aphrodite Macbain: It is neither good nor bad, but it is an energy force


Santoshima Resident: yes, but i won't repeat here


Aphrodite Macbain: ok
stevenaia Michinaga: it could be either
Aphrodite Macbain: Desire= from the stars.
stevenaia Michinaga: good and bad
stevenaia Michinaga: like all things
Aphrodite Macbain: By that I would interpret it to mean wanting something that is impossible to have- like the stars
stevenaia Michinaga: good in small doeses
Santoshima Resident: it means observing the stars
Santoshima Resident: over time
Santoshima Resident: the stars, too, within each of us
Aphrodite Macbain: To you


--BELL--


stevenaia Michinaga: Impossible to have... like another's heart what is not available to you
Tess Aristocrat: Whispers goodnight ㋡
Samúð (oo0oo): night Tess
stevenaia Michinaga: night tess
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Tess
Santoshima Resident: bye tess ~
Aphrodite Macbain: Devices and Desires of the heart. Wonder where that quote is from
Aphrodite Macbain: I think I will wander off and bid you all a fond goodnight
Santoshima Resident: good night, aph
stevenaia Michinaga: night Aph
Santoshima Resident: rest well
Aphrodite Macbain: Nite all. Observem too
Samúð (oo0oo): Night Aph
stevenaia Michinaga: bedtime for me too
Santoshima Resident: guess i better go too
stevenaia Michinaga: night Samúð, San and observerm
Samúð (oo0oo): Night Stevenaia, Santoshima
Santoshima Resident: you are both welcome at my and fc's house
Santoshima Resident: and observerm too
Santoshima Resident: bye, dear stev
Samúð (oo0oo): Night Obs :) tc
Samúð (oo0oo): Hi Paradise
Paradise Tennant: hiya sam ..observerm :)
Samúð (oo0oo): Was going to leave, but as you have arrived, I'm happy to sit for a while longer.
Paradise Tennant: smiles what was the topic tonight :)
Samúð (oo0oo): "desire"
Paradise Tennant: attachments .. good topic
Samúð (oo0oo): had thought to bring the word attachments.. glad you mention it
Paradise Tennant: everything it seems we want .. what we think we need
Paradise Tennant: usually isn't it seems to me .. particularly with the passage of time ..
Paradise Tennant: it becomes clearer . .the new car the new house .. the whatever .. is just a whatever
Samúð (oo0oo): seemed a lot about fine slicing what might be meant by: desire, passion, wanting, craving, grasping... etc
Paradise Tennant: would you like to sit with us observerm :)
Samúð (oo0oo): attachment seems related closely
Paradise Tennant: well that is what they all are


--BELL--


Paradise Tennant: sorry sleepy
Paradise Tennant: letting go is always best .. sorry laughing here ..made the dog chicken soup and he is wailing pitieously for more .. usually the answer is to just fully appreciate .. fully be with what you have .. when you get a true sense of the magnitude of the gifts we are all blessed with .. even just our breath ..
Samúð (oo0oo): Shenpa comes to mind
Paradise Tennant: yes
Samúð (oo0oo): lol.. or chicken soup, or a fine companion
Samúð (oo0oo): So nice how you and Blue are with each other :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes just to breathe .. have a heart beat .. when I meditate and start breathing slowly with it I always find it magical how it can slow my pulse ..
Samúð (oo0oo): nods
Paradise Tennant: we are long time .. companions ... nothing like an old friend :)
Samúð (oo0oo): How old is Blue?
Paradise Tennant: he snores .. love the sound of it .. soft uneven doggie snores and grunts .. little yips once in a while .. one of those nice everyday things in the fabric of life .. that make it worthwhile
Paradise Tennant: 14
Samúð (oo0oo): nods
Paradise Tennant: and very bossy with age I might add
Paradise Tennant: imperious ..
Samúð (oo0oo): could just be that the chicken soup is very very good LOL
Paradise Tennant: hmm bok choy .cellery rosemary .. fresh ginger ... a little cayenne pepper and lots of chicken
Paradise Tennant: he likes the chicken best .
Samúð (oo0oo): he's lucky to have landed there.. in the relaxation of that pulse that is you seeing your breath
Paradise Tennant: we are both lucky ..
Samúð (oo0oo): nods
Samúð (oo0oo): it's infectious
Paradise Tennant: yes luck is infectious and pervasive .. the more you see it the more there is to see :)
Paradise Tennant: well I should say good nite I still have chores :) to do :) thanks for the chat Sam ..nice to see you again obeserverm :)
Paradise Tennant: Namaste
Samúð (oo0oo): Night paradise.. rest well. Best to Blue. :)
Paradise Tennant: dream well :)
Samúð (oo0oo): :)