2012.12.30 07:00 - nothingness

The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".

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Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Bleu Oleander: hi Cat :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Good morning Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: how are u?
Catrinamonblue Resident: good, it's a bright sunshine morning here
Bleu Oleander: a little cloudy here ... but early yet
Bleu Oleander: you're a fan of the White Armory?
Catrinamonblue Resident: Druth took me there yesterday to get a free dress, not the one I'm wearing right now but another
Bleu Oleander: oh nice :)
Bleu Oleander: medieval and fantasy roleplay?
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bleu Oleander: seems to be a quiet morning here today
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: anything special you would like to talk about?

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Catrinamonblue Resident: can't think of anything right off :)
Bleu Oleander: alone together ... like the week's theme :)
Bleu Oleander: nice just to be here
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: next Sunday we have a special session on the Art of Being Clarity show ... it's at noon in the dome ... can you come?
Catrinamonblue Resident: I think I can make it, we'll have to see
Bleu Oleander: ok great
Bleu Oleander: should be a fun conversation
Bleu Oleander: many really nice interpretations of the theme
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes I have looked around the dome a few times, really neat
Bleu Oleander: have you tried building anything in sl?
Catrinamonblue Resident: no I'm not very talented that way
Catrinamonblue Resident: not like the other here
Catrinamonblue Resident: *others
Bleu Oleander: Sun is doing a special workshop on wednesdays at 11
Bleu Oleander: beginning class :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I know but usually I work Wed :(
Bleu Oleander: ah ok
Bleu Oleander: perhaps we can have a session at some other time too ... many might have to work at that time
Bleu Oleander: hi druth :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zon :)
druth Vlodovic: hi guys :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Druth
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hey Zon :)
Bleu Oleander: quite a diff look for you!
druth Vlodovic: change is good
Bleu Oleander: cool :)
Bleu Oleander: does it feel diff to you?
druth Vlodovic: not really, I haven't had it long
druth Vlodovic: came across the av by accident and thought to try it on
Bleu Oleander: I feel so diff with diff avies
druth Vlodovic: you spend a lot of time on yours :)
druth Vlodovic: we need a bleu av shop
Bleu Oleander: especially with such a change as your new one :)
Bleu Oleander: haha!
Bleu Oleander: many of mine I design for specific art projects
Bleu Oleander: accumulate many that way
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: this one is from one of my videos
druth Vlodovic: I subscribed to your youtube feed but haven't seen any lately
Bleu Oleander: haven't done any new ones in a few months
Xirana Oximoxi: 's current display-name is "Xirana".
Bleu Oleander: thinking about doing one soon though
druth Vlodovic: ah
Bleu Oleander: hiya Xiri :)
druth Vlodovic: there was talk about having another show at the molecule
Zon Kwan: hi xiri
druth Vlodovic: hi Xiri
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Xiri
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Bleu, Zon, Druth, Cat
Bleu Oleander: yes, I hope there is interest to do that druth
Bleu Oleander: it was such fun!

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druth Vlodovic: maybe we just needto draft a fewpeople lol
druth Vlodovic: poor zon :)
druth Vlodovic: Seems to be empty. Nothingness here.
druth Vlodovic: in his 1st life section of his profile
Zon Kwan: poor ?
druth Vlodovic: I get sad when i feel that way,but I see people promoting it :)
Zon Kwan: nothing is always better than any thing
druth Vlodovic: rich zon?
Zon Kwan: enormously
druth Vlodovic: an abundance of nothing in which to live and grow
Zon Kwan: all potentiality
Xirana Oximoxi: what do you see people promoting, druth?
Bleu Oleander: my rl is anything but empty and nothingness ... seems very full to me
Zon Kwan: overflowing
Bleu Oleander: and I still feel there is plenty of potentiality ... for me anyway
Zon Kwan: nothingness
Xirana Oximoxi: aha..ok thank you
Bleu Oleander: so what do you mean by nothingness?
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe a new topic for next week:)
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Zon Kwan: what do you mean by nirvana
Bleu Oleander: suggest that at the meeting Xiri
Bleu Oleander: I don't know what is meant by nirvana
Xirana Oximoxi: well... I can suggest it, but I have not thought about it
Bleu Oleander: so maybe a lot to talk about then :)
Zon Kwan: mind cannot think nothingness
Bleu Oleander: right
Bleu Oleander: nothingness always seems to be framed by something
Xirana Oximoxi: nirvana is a state of mind whre no worries, no trouble, no thoughts extist, if I am not wrong
druth Vlodovic: so is nothingness a lack of felt pressure?
Zon Kwan: nothingness is not lacking any thing
Bleu Oleander: interesting way to put it druth :)
druth Vlodovic: hakunamatatta!
Catrinamonblue Resident: nirvana = just being?
Bleu Oleander: how do you know when you are not lacking anything? isn't that a subjective feeling?
Bleu Oleander: sorry if too many questions :)
Bleu Oleander: some of these terms are diff for me to comprehend sometimes
Zon Kwan: how do you know you are lacking something
druth Vlodovic: desire, or dissatisfaction I would suppose
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: desire
Xirana Oximoxi: subjetive feelings that maybe we have due to our cultural background
Bleu Oleander: both are ok for me in some experiences
Zon Kwan: can you have objective feelings ?
Bleu Oleander: I don't think so
Bleu Oleander: but perhaps others think so?
druth Vlodovic: indicator emotions, telling you to change something but not good places to live in
Bleu Oleander: so cues for action?
druth Vlodovic: ideally
Bleu Oleander: not dwelling?
Xirana Oximoxi: no... it was a way to emphasize the sense of 'feeling'...
druth Vlodovic: ??
Bleu Oleander: i'm rather attached to my feelings ... hehe
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: nice conversation, but I'm sorry I have to leave early
druth Vlodovic: what do you mean Xir?
Bleu Oleander: i'll enjoy reading the log later
druth Vlodovic: ah,too bad,have fun bleu
Bleu Oleander: thank you all for coming
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Bleu
Bleu Oleander: yes :(
Bleu Oleander: early meeting today in rl for me
Zon Kwan: we identfy normally with our thoughts and feelings
Xirana Oximoxi: I answered Zon's question about is 'objective' feelings exhits
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Bleu
Zon Kwan: bye blue
Xirana Oximoxi: have a nice day!

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Bleu Oleander: i'll post the log later
Bleu Oleander: bye all
Bleu Oleander: take care
Xirana Oximoxi: ok, take care too:)
druth Vlodovic: we are not our feelings any more than coffee is the smell that fills the room
Catrinamonblue Resident: but feelings can overwhelm us just as the smell can be too strong :)
druth Vlodovic: the tail wagging the dog :)
druth Vlodovic: our self generates feelings in response to stimuli but then the feelings control us
Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes yes
Zon Kwan: feelings control us when we identify with them
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, feelings may not be objective, but they are very important in our lifes
druth Vlodovic: so this is nothingness? to allow our feelings to drift by and simply remain as the core being?
Zon Kwan: to watch them
Zon Kwan: understanding they are not me
druth Vlodovic: it sounds like a short step to disassociation
Xirana Oximoxi: I recognise it is difficutl for me to understand it, is it better if we see us without feelings?
Zon Kwan: not negating or avoiding
Zon Kwan: no
Zon Kwan: feeling fully
Catrinamonblue Resident: just not allowing the feeling to control the action?
Zon Kwan: yes
Catrinamonblue Resident: difficult to do :(
Zon Kwan: life is
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... that may be good in some sense..specially if feelings are not good
druth Vlodovic: how to feel an emotion fully and not act on it?
Zon Kwan: watching
Catrinamonblue Resident: breathing deep
Catrinamonblue Resident: counting breaths
Zon Kwan: focussing on the feeling
Zon Kwan: seeing it
Zon Kwan: feeling it
Zon Kwan: totally
Zon Kwan: then asking who is feeling
Zon Kwan: who is seeing
Zon Kwan: is it a thing
Zon Kwan: a little man or woman inside our brain
druth Vlodovic: no allowing the music to take control and move your body on the dance floor?
Zon Kwan: its no thing
Zon Kwan: why not
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Wol :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Wol
Zon Kwan: but watching it
druth Vlodovic: hi wol
Wol Euler: hello druth, cat, zon, xir
Zon Kwan: hi wol
Wol Euler: just passing through on the way to breakfast
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
druth Vlodovic: to the guardian meeting you mean
Wol Euler: oh, I forgot about that. I'll try to attend the start of it
Xirana Oximoxi: bon appettit:)
druth Vlodovic: maybe they will serve breakfast :)
Wol Euler: eh, thanks, but I would prefer less food less often

Xirana Oximoxi: we were taling about 'nothingness

Wol Euler: ah
Zon Kwan: watches wol
Wol Euler listens.
druth Vlodovic: so you can become an emotion and allow it to move you without becoming the emotion?
Zon Kwan: oh my what big eyes you have

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Xirana Oximoxi: I go to the pavilion:) see you soon.... thanks Zon for your interesting thoughts
druth Vlodovic: short journey Xir :)
Zon Kwan: bye xira
Wol Euler: druth, what a lovely (and sad) little avatar
Wol Euler: bye, everyone, I'm off to the meeting too
Wol Euler: enjoy the day
Catrinamonblue Resident: bye everyone
Zon Kwan: bye big eye
druth Vlodovic: have fun guys
Zon Kwan: what meeting is there ?