The Guardian for this meeting was Xirana Oximoxi, joined by Zen.

Xirana Oximoxi: Hello Zen!
Xirana Oximoxi: nice to see you:)
Zen Arado: Hi Xirana :)
Zen Arado: you too
Xirana Oximoxi: ty:) it's quiet today:)
Zen Arado: everyone must be doing christmas shopping
Xirana Oximoxi: yes....:)
Zen Arado: boxy never comes now
Xirana Oximoxi: no...he's desapeared :(
Zen Arado: sad
Xirana Oximoxi: I hope he is well... if he does not tell us we can not know
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, I agree..it's sad...
Zen Arado: some have written emails to him I think
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, me too..but he has not answered
Zen Arado: I don't know if he replied
Xirana Oximoxi: not to me
Zen Arado: people come and go
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... I know... but I do feel some friendship here too... but maybe it's only in one's mind :)
Zen Arado: oh yes
Zen Arado: people stop friendships in RL too
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, sure:))... but maybe we have more ways to know why...not always
Zen Arado: sometimes it's best
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: in my experience, in RL the distance with friends is slow...I mean, that persons follow other ways in life and at the end you disconnect of this person.... unless you have been really angry with someone
Zen Arado: yes sometimes you move away
Zen Arado: or you have a different job
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... going to live to another place ....
Zen Arado: I was friendly with a man I used to work with for 20 years after I left that place
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, exactly:)
Zen Arado: but he kept preaching that me that I should become a Christian
Zen Arado: and one day I just decided I didn't want to be friendly with him any more
Xirana Oximoxi: haha :)) I understand:))...to be friends you must accept other people's choices and differences...and then to share some important things too
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: you can be friendly with people when you work with them but you might not have any interests in common apart from that
Zen Arado: and you change
Zen Arado: I changed but he stayed the same in many ways
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...we move in different 'spaces' and share some things...but speacilly at work, not always what we feel are more important
Zen Arado: I think I change a lot
Xirana Oximoxi: in what sense?
Zen Arado: some people seem to stay the same
Zen Arado: I develop new interests and get interested in new spiritual subjects
Xirana Oximoxi: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: I do also change...but slowly... but non stop:)
Zen Arado: I think it's more that we should allow ourselves to change
Zen Arado: people are afraid to change
Zen Arado: but change is natural
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe it goes also with our personality
Zen Arado: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: as you say, some people stay always the same
Zen Arado: yes some people are Conservative
Zen Arado: they like old traditional things
Zen Arado: they like the familiar
Xirana Oximoxi: I do like it too... but I feel also open to new possibilities
Zen Arado: they say ' if it works okay, why is change?
Xirana Oximoxi: normally all changes anyway

Zen Arado: I see Elinor and you marked our French writing
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe..yes.... we have discussions about the best solutions:))
Zen Arado: it is useful
Xirana Oximoxi: but she is really 'strong'...and looks for good sources
Zen Arado: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...you can also comment
Zen Arado: I don't know enough about French verbs tenses
Xirana Oximoxi: we also learn doing it
Zen Arado: I only know the present and past compound
Xirana Oximoxi: me either:))
Zen Arado: I haven't even studied the future tense yet
Zen Arado: we haven't got that far in duolingo
Xirana Oximoxi: I use them, but when you ask me about the rules...I must look if I am right or wrong
Zen Arado: yes you learned by speaking?
Xirana Oximoxi: no, I learned a lot of grammar too...and all verb tenses 'par coeur'...but so long ago that I have forgotten
Zen Arado: I see
Zen Arado: by heart
Zen Arado: we say that too
Xirana Oximoxi: do you also use this expression in Englsih?
Zen Arado: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh ok:)
Zen Arado: Americans might say ' by rote'
Xirana Oximoxi: in Spanish we use...'aprender de memoria' = by memory
Zen Arado: we learn arithmetic tables that way
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: I did with latin declinations:)
Zen Arado: and I used to learn poems when I was a child
Xirana Oximoxi: declension
Zen Arado: amo amas amat amamus amatis amant..
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:))
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: me too
Xirana Oximoxi: rosa rosa rosam rosae rosae rosas
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe it's not exact:)
Zen Arado: Caesar's conquest of Gaul
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe

Xirana Oximoxi: how about the topic of this week?
Xirana Oximoxi: language and imagination?
Zen Arado: interesting topic
Xirana Oximoxi: you are a writer now:)
Zen Arado: I'm thinking I might get some topics for poems from chats in Second Life
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... it can also be a good 'source' :)
Zen Arado: and you come up with good ideas from chatting with other people
Xirana Oximoxi: we need words to communicate here...they are very important..appart of some gestures
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... your short french story is fun:))
Zen Arado: yes communication
Zen Arado: writing is about improving communication
Zen Arado: so is learning languages
Zen Arado: we can communicate with more people
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... actually learning languages is focused in 'communication ..more than grammar...and SL is a very good place for it:)
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: Cem isn't teaching so much now
Xirana Oximoxi: no...she can not come... I hope it will be just for a while
Zen Arado: she's busy with other things I think
Zen Arado: it takes time to prepare lessons
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... and she did very well...
Zen Arado: it's difficult in Second Life because people are at different levels
Zen Arado: in a school everyone starts at the same time
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... exactly..it's not easy to gather people with the same level..that is an inconveninece...but anyway we can learn
Zen Arado: you need people to come every week
Zen Arado: it's no good if they just drop in now and then
Xirana Oximoxi: that happened to me with german...but...I kept going and I improved a little
Xirana Oximoxi: that happens to me with Catalan... I get tired because people drops only one or two times... and I must teach always the same...I am learning how teachers do need a big amount of patience:))
Zen Arado: yes I can see the problem
Zen Arado: and people think you are going to fast or too slowly
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Zen Arado: a man came to Jeff's English class
Zen Arado: and he said Jeff was going to slowly and left :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: well.... I think he does very well...even in RL in the same class you can find people with different 'speed' to learn
Zen Arado: yes of course
Zen Arado: I wonder will I ever start to think in French
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhhh it takes a long time:)
Zen Arado: may be that will have an effect on the things I do?
Zen Arado: I will start to think like a French man?
Xirana Oximoxi: I am not sure if I will ever think in English:)
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: I still need to stop and translate a lot of times
Xirana Oximoxi: you'll become a 'gentilhomme' at the place of a 'gentleman' :))
Zen Arado: gentilhombre
Zen Arado: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: I know a guitar concerto with that in the name
Xirana Oximoxi: we say 'caballero'
Zen Arado: Rodrigo I think
Zen Arado: not his famous one
Zen Arado: Concierto de Aranjuez
Xirana Oximoxi: el Concierto de Aranjuez is wonderful
Xirana Oximoxi: maestro Don Rodrigo
Zen Arado: I studied classical guitar with a teacher from Madrid
Xirana Oximoxi: Joaquin Rodrigo
Zen Arado: when I lived in Australia
Xirana Oximoxi: I did not remember the first name:)
Xirana Oximoxi: wow
Zen Arado: Antonio Losada
Xirana Oximoxi: I did not know you lived in Australia:)) at the other side of the world:)
Zen Arado: oh yes I lived there for eight years
Zen Arado: there was a great classical guitarists at the same studio called Jose Luis Gonzales
Zen Arado: he has videos on YouTube
Zen Arado: but I never find any for the other man
Xirana Oximoxi: so you like flamenco guitar:)...how is it you did not learn classical guitar
Zen Arado: Gonzalez maybe?
Xirana Oximoxi: it is more 'normal' ...out of Spain and Japan:)
Zen Arado: I learned classical guitar for many years
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh ok:)
Zen Arado: I was learning here in Ireland as well
Xirana Oximoxi: wonderful!
Zen Arado: but I had to give it up because my hands became too weak
Xirana Oximoxi: I was for a while in a Jazz school learning guitar...but I was absolutly sure I was not dued to play
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...
Xirana Oximoxi: dued= talented
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Xirana Oximoxi: I've looked it up
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: I see
Zen Arado: well I suppose I didn't have that much talent either
Zen Arado: I was hopeless at sightreading
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now Zen...thanks a lot for coming and share your time with me :)
Zen Arado: thanks for hosting :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: see you soon... and have a nice time!!
Zen Arado: have a nice Christmas if I don't see you
Xirana Oximoxi: yw:)
Zen Arado: byee
Xirana Oximoxi: well... you too...:)
Zen Arado: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye
Xirana Oximoxi: :)