2011.07.13 07:00 - Space is Optional

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    The Guardian for this interesting meeting, was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, joined today by Storm, Bleu, Riddle, Mila, and Zen. Hold onto your hats...

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    (apologies to riddle and zen, that my viewer seems to ruth people continually!)

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :))
    Storm Nordwind: Hi! :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you
    Storm Nordwind: You too! How are you feeling today?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... am feeling better than in days I think!
    Eliza Madrigal: you?
    Eliza Madrigal: hope you are taking good care of yourself
    Storm Nordwind: A little sleepy. Michele and I have been unwell - just a tummy bug - but we're nearly through it all now
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry to hear that, but glad you are feeling better!
    Eliza Madrigal: I wondered, since you've been full-speed lately, and that's just what I see :)
    Storm Nordwind: I'm relieved to hear you're OK!
    Storm Nordwind: Ah well - yes I do go pretty hard at lots of stuff - and now there's July 31st!
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much... can be quite shocking... I may still be a bit off kilter but am not sure
    Eliza Madrigal: (re car accident, etc)
    Storm Nordwind: These things go in deep and often take a while to shake out, sometimes in unexpected way. But I hope you will be absolutely fine!
    Eliza Madrigal: :))


    Eliza Madrigal: the video bleu posted is amazing...
    Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking about what happens when creative people spark one another
    Eliza Madrigal: one little Stormy secret project....
    Eliza Madrigal: and pop pop pop
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Storm Nordwind: haha! yes... and it keeps on happening
    Eliza Madrigal: and of course the longer term building of projects over time
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. By the way, I have to apologize - I'm trying to synchronize a meeting at quater past the hour - so may have to quickly go around then
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's polite of you Storm.. of course no worries
    Eliza Madrigal: am enjoying the bird song and the grass...
    Storm Nordwind: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: picnic basket seemed in order but I haven't found the right tree
    Riddle Sideways: Hi storm, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi RIddle :)
    Storm Nordwind: something with wild fruits - a bush perhaps

    Eliza Madrigal: Heloooo over there.....
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Riddle!
    Eliza Madrigal: my orange tree was a little sad... hm...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: :) habitual seating
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you, hahh
    Riddle Sideways: SL or RL orange tree?
    Eliza Madrigal: we were talking a little about projects proliferating
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, an SL orange tree
    Eliza Madrigal: whenever I rezz the grass here I seem to want to plant things :D
    Bleu Oleander: hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :))
    Riddle Sideways: Hi blu

    Storm Nordwind: At this time of year back in Britain I would looking out for wild strawberries and raspberries. The sloes and blackberries would come after that
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal: I love that idea... early morning walk for berries
    Bleu Oleander: (eating berries atm :)
    Eliza Madrigal: have had that experience during vacations, but day to day, I walk sometimes, for .... cafecita!
    Riddle Sideways: mmmm, yes eating berries atm
    Riddle Sideways: too
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Storm Nordwind may not need to leave for a meeting after all. We'll see! :)
    Eliza Madrigal feels suddently berriless
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: freshness.... seems a nice frame for the pause!
    Bleu Oleander: :)

    --BELL--

    Storm Nordwind: About projects proliferating... it has been like setting up an open environment, like brainstorming, where all ideas are seen at the outset as equally valid,even the craziest ones (!), if only because they may spark fresh ideas in other people.

    Eliza Madrigal: yes!! and some ideas pop up more quickly, others with longer incubation time or in different ways than first imagined!
    Riddle Sideways: an the authorities have not been dashing the ideas so they are continuing
    Storm Nordwind smiles widely
    Bleu Oleander: me too
    Storm Nordwind: We give ourselves permission to imagine and create. The rest of us give permission to share. The only authority becomes us!
    Eliza Madrigal: each of these wonderful projects seems like a leap and yet at the same time fits so naturally, non intrusively, as to seem 'always been thus'

    Bleu Oleander: well in that case ......
    Eliza Madrigal: uh oh... haha.. Bleu?
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: ")
    Eliza Madrigal holds onto her hat... after searching for hat to hold
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Riddle Sideways loves to hear bleu's newest ideas
    Storm Nordwind: Bleu is a tease of the first magnitude!
    Bleu Oleander: pacing is my hardest problem
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Bleu Oleander: speaking of teasing ...
    Riddle Sideways: pacing back-n-forth in SL is easy
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Bleu Oleander: was thinking we should do trailers for all 4 performances coming up
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Riddle
    Storm Nordwind: viedo trailers?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: my trailer was only 40 sec
    Storm Nordwind: Great idea!
    Eliza Madrigal: How long did it take you to learn? Your video is *marvelous*
    Bleu Oleander: ty!
    Eliza Madrigal goes for the link for the log....
    Bleu Oleander: my first one

    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9v2INYmik

    Bleu Oleander: I could film a short spot on each one
    Bleu Oleander: and send them out one at a time
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds like a new addiction :))
    Bleu Oleander: definitely!!
    Storm Nordwind will have to get busy!
    Storm Nordwind: Some people will be at retreat though - they may not see it for a while
    Eliza Madrigal: the video gave me something really tangible to show my daughter, that was really nice ...

    Riddle Sideways: well, trailers are used to entice ppl to come to show, but you don't need to entice them yet, we are in line waiting already

    Eliza Madrigal: true!
    Eliza Madrigal: similar to Sun's manga, it added another dimension into experience here
    Bleu Oleander: only have a few reservations
    Bleu Oleander: so the trailer helped I think
    Storm Nordwind: So need a publicity blitz!
    Storm Nordwind: Uh oh... turning into a Being Theater Players meeting!
    Riddle Sideways: ah, thought otherwise wrongly
    Eliza Madrigal: seems fine to me!
    Riddle Sideways: mmmm, shall we think on that for 90 sec
    Bleu Oleander: sorry
    Bleu Oleander: creativity hazard
    Storm Nordwind: haha!

    Riddle Sideways: an art bump in the road?
    Eliza Madrigal: seems wonderful to me, for everything to spill over... get a peek into the workings
    Eliza Madrigal imagines painting bumps into the road to help Bleu's pacing...hah
    Storm Nordwind: haha!
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: in the creative process, there can be dormant periods... sometimes hard not to panic there....
    Riddle Sideways: thanks, had the roadway painting that Coyote would do for Roadrunner stuck in head that
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Riddle!
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: am trying to type on laptop, and really mucking it up

    Storm Nordwind: Someone wrote to me a few weeks ago on Twitter asking me to post more poetry because (incredibly) they really liked it. I wrote back and said: "I'm not as prolific as many. I don't fight or plead with my muse. She comes unbidden as she wishes!" :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds like trust born of long collaborations Storm
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Riddle Sideways: as it should be Storm
    Storm Nordwind: If it were my only creative outlet and it dried up, or if I depended on it for my happiness, I might get frantic. But neither is the case fortunately.
    Eliza Madrigal: Suppose our pausing is a way of going into deep dormancy willingly
    Bleu Oleander: nice to have create options
    Riddle Sideways: ah! (to both)
    Eliza Madrigal: the dream a few weeks ago, with all the muses... that seemed to be the biggest message of it, not forcing... following

    Bleu Oleander: I approach everything in a creative way so really don't separate creativity from life
    Eliza Madrigal: gear shifter :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yet sometimes a little push seems hm... necessary
    milakel Resident: hi :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mila :)
    Bleu Oleander feels like a pusher sometimes
    milakel Resident: ok, sitting next to storm today :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Mila
    Riddle Sideways: cute sparkler girl
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    milakel Resident: cute elephant :)
    milakel Resident: whoa! a tree!
    Eliza Madrigal: and picnic... feel free to grab a snack!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Bleu Oleander: hey Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    milakel Resident: is it for a special occasion?
    milakel Resident: zen :)
    Storm Nordwind: It's always special when you arrive Mila :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    milakel Resident: ha
    Bleu Oleander: aww
    milakel Resident: :P
    Riddle Sideways: now=special
    milakel Resident: i'll go with... cupcake!
    Eliza Madrigal: belated fourth of july picnic? after all, you brought a sparkler
    milakel Resident: hehe
    milakel Resident: that last one was for woly
    Storm Nordwind: Mila is inviting us to call her "cupcake" from now on? ;)
    milakel Resident: her belated av rezday

                  Happy belated rezday Wol!

    Eliza Madrigal: Awww
    Riddle Sideways: an image of Eliza, Bleu and Storm having a meeting with all the muses. In a stadium full
    milakel Resident: stormy, if you like :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye all
    Riddle Sideways: by by
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu :)
    milakel Resident: cu
    Zen Arado: bye Bleu
    milakel Resident: well done basket
    Eliza Madrigal: haha... and here's another I picked up.... no idea why except the saying
    Eliza Madrigal: creative strategy
    milakel Resident: no munching animation :(
    milakel Resident: eggs!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, eggs in a basket
    milakel Resident: neat

    Storm Nordwind: Meeting is on after all
    Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me!
    Eliza Madrigal: OK, Bye Storm :)
    Almond Andel: Yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Almond
    milakel Resident: almond! :)
    Zen Arado: bye Storm
    Zen Arado: Hi Almond
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Almond - please follow me!
    milakel Resident: haven't seen you for ages :)

    --BELL--

    Almond Andel: Hi... alaalalal
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Almond
    Almond Andel: oops.
    milakel Resident: nice of you to come by
    Almond Andel: where is Storm...
    Almond Andel: nice meeting you
    Almond Andel: I'll talk to you later
    milakel Resident: ok :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm will probably IM you to bring you to the meeting area
    Riddle Sideways: follow trm, Almondhe Sto
    Riddle Sideways: ok, hate this keyboard
    milakel Resident: wait, isn't it a working group meeting?
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Zen,
    Eliza Madrigal: that was strange Riddle, the way it moved everything around...

    Eliza Madrigal: Mila, actually Kira Japan may like to see a show...
    milakel Resident: *sits between the baskets*
    Eliza Madrigal: so Storm will coordinate subtitles and schedules, etc
    Riddle Sideways: well, if thumb waves over mouse touch pad thingie it move the cursor
    milakel Resident: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: Zen care to move closer?

    milakel Resident: separate show... hmm
    Eliza Madrigal: well at a better time for Japan
    Eliza Madrigal: and perhaps they will like to use the theater
    milakel Resident: yea, sadly, we don't collaborate much
    milakel Resident: it's like 2 different worlds :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so maybe these are ways we begin to cross pollinate
    milakel Resident: hardly
    Eliza Madrigal: when typing speed/language presents barriers
    Eliza Madrigal: then we have art and theater and music
    milakel Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: would like too, to continue having theme sessions and session explorations ...
    Eliza Madrigal: any ideas?
    Zen Arado: I need skills more than ideas atm
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) learning to video/audio, Zen?
    Zen Arado: need way to actualize ideas
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
    Zen Arado: without having spent decades in computer programming
    Riddle Sideways: yes understand that point, zen
    Eliza Madrigal: I've had to accept that I can't do everything and that audiences/appreciators are very much part of the 'shows' :)
    Zen Arado: yes but we can learn

    milakel Resident: programming is easy really
    Zen Arado: Bleu didn't make that video in 5 mins
    Riddle Sideways: putting the ideas into actuallity is hard
    milakel Resident: the concept that you try to program may be hard
    Eliza Madrigal: she must have discovered pema's secret for not sleeping
    Eliza Madrigal: what do you mean Mila?
    Zen Arado: not just programming
    Zen Arado: working with audio and gra[phics software
    milakel Resident: eliza, well, what riddle said. programming is just a certain notation that allows you to operate on various data structures. but it's what you program takes time to graps and understand.
    Zen Arado: both hard to me
    Eliza Madrigal: finding the ones that work well together would seem a challenge? programs?
    Zen Arado: (just removed Timestamp that V2 sneaks on again at updates)
    Eliza Madrigal: and with so many different machines/viewers/systems

    Eliza Madrigal: You know.... come to think of it, no reason why we couldnt use a session or two to 'record' some of these lessons...
    Eliza Madrigal: some are in voice, so that would be hard
    milakel Resident: um, you mean workshops?
    Eliza Madrigal: but as far as sharing tips, it may be nice to have them findable
    Eliza Madrigal: yes

    Zen Arado: my old brain doesn't work fast enough
    Zen Arado: needs a new processor
    Zen Arado: :)
    milakel Resident: zen, it's an excuse that i don't accept :)

    Eliza Madrigal: enjoyed the video you sent this week Mila... watched another after that on a TED talk ... creative collaboration... access rather than ownership
    Riddle Sideways: use to watch those one-minute-photoshop vids. They hurt head
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    milakel Resident: eliza, yep
    Zen Arado: my hard drive is corrupted too
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm like that too... yet my daughter has taught herself to sew, bellydance, and photoshop through youtube

    --BELL--

    Riddle Sideways: :)
    milakel Resident: that's the new way to learn :)
    Zen Arado: yeh at leat you can replay them
    Eliza Madrigal: zen, you may have a genuine computer issue which is making things seem harder?
    Zen Arado: no...my old brain just
    Zen Arado: I have a good computer and a 40 Mb connection
    Zen Arado: it's an interesting challenge learning this stuff though
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe more dormancy time needed :)
    Zen Arado: just wish I coiuld learn faster :)
    Eliza Madrigal: agreed
    Eliza Madrigal: no re faster, re interesting :)

    milakel Resident: i wish this tree and the baskets would stay here
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    milakel Resident: they fit in so nicely into the setting
    Eliza Madrigal: does feel very warm, huh? :)
    Zen Arado: I couldn't get grass to raz last time I tried
    milakel Resident: yep
    milakel Resident: especially with eliza sitting under the tree :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was going to rezz a fire but then the fish would cook
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: (/9 grass) ?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    milakel Resident: mmm, smoked salmon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: also (/9help) shows everything
    Zen Arado: oh no space then?
    Riddle Sideways: #9 #9 #9
    Eliza Madrigal: we have a little stage here it seems
    Zen Arado: /phelp
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, let's see.... think I've used a space before

    milakel Resident: space is optional
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, okay
    Zen Arado: I got help
    Zen Arado: yeh just leave out space

    Riddle Sideways: funny phrase, "space is optional"

    Eliza Madrigal: doesn't seem very pab to leave out space
    milakel Resident: that's how sl parser works. it doesn't care.
    milakel Resident: riddle :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Riddle Sideways: from the time book "just leave out the space" (or should be)
    Eliza Madrigal: time and space in competition?

    milakel Resident: i don't think space notices time
    milakel Resident: but we do
    Riddle Sideways: profound concept that the parser does not care how much space is in there
    Zen Arado: only concepts
    milakel Resident: hehe
    milakel Resident: riddle :)
    Eliza Madrigal: can certainly pause with that one a while
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: zen still playing with controls? hah

    milakel Resident: maybe one day we're able to clone our "minds" to other bodies. then we'll become time-immune and may understand space :)
    Zen Arado: doesn't work with a space
    Zen Arado: assuming there is any TO understand
    Zen Arado: anything
    milakel Resident: it should work. both "/9help" and "/9 help"
    Zen Arado: humans have such a need to understand thngs don't we?
    milakel Resident: i can't check. no rights :)
    Eliza Madrigal: mind like space... distributed evenly and also not?
    Eliza Madrigal: a space works with 'low' to lower the fountain and also 'hide'
    Zen Arado: funny it wouldn't work before for me
    milakel Resident: zen, i once thought that's it's inherent, but it's not so much
    Eliza Madrigal: my feeling as well... think we're moving away from that idea, of having to understand everything, in general
    Eliza Madrigal: or of thinking we know 'what' understanding means

    --BELL--

    milakel Resident: here, we enforce time on ourselves :)
    milakel Resident: how about we pause randomly when we want? :)
    Riddle Sideways: already did :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I like to pause 'together'

    Zen Arado: was going to say I have started doing that lately and am cutting down on long meditations
    Zen Arado: Nisargadatta influence I guess
    Zen Arado: (and pab)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: if someone cannot verbalize something, or explain it, does it mean they don't have an instrinsic understanding?
    milakel Resident: nisa... i've seen this person being mentioned quite a few tiems
    Riddle Sideways: no, you can grok without explaining it to others
    Zen Arado: if you can't verbalize it you probably don't understand :)
    Zen Arado: as I find out when writing essays
    milakel Resident: eliza, writing it down helps
    Eliza Madrigal: this is the idea I think we're moving away from... and into communicating in 'myriad' ways
    milakel Resident: if you can't transfer a piece of knowledge, what good is it?
    Zen Arado: writing makes you clarify in your mind Eliza
    Zen Arado: ?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think our packaging system is antiquated
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: good point too Mila
    Zen Arado: but a bit utilitarian maybe?
    Eliza Madrigal: but I probably write more than anyone I know...

    Riddle Sideways: sorry, disagree... a datum of knowledge has value into ones self
    Zen Arado: isn't that why journalling is good Eliza?

    milakel Resident: zen, we're social creatures. communication is crucial to us.
    Eliza Madrigal: communication isn't one form though, is it?
    Zen Arado: yes true Mila
    milakel Resident: it's not a form :)
    milakel Resident: it's an activity
    Eliza Madrigal: only conscious?
    milakel Resident: but yes, you can do telepathy without having to write down anything :)

    Zen Arado: but does it always need to have a purpose?
    Eliza Madrigal: right :) which goes back to Riddle's 'value into (unto) ones self'
    Eliza Madrigal: in a paradigm where there are no 'others', who is one trying to convince?
    Zen Arado: we have utilitarianism stamped into us
    milakel Resident: zen, i think there's always purpose. always initial intention for this or that action. cause and effect :)
    Eliza Madrigal: or even 'give to'
    Zen Arado: yeh Mila..but we can just do thngs for their own sake surely
    milakel Resident: zen, that's also an intention

    Zen Arado: yes but an intention but not looking at the ends all the time
    Zen Arado: just enjoying the means
    Eliza Madrigal: space in the middle
    milakel Resident: um... i think it's perception. how you go on with your activity.

    Riddle Sideways: you have reached enlightenment... is it cheapened because you do not communicate it to the brick wall?

    milakel Resident: but either way there was a reason why it happened
    Zen Arado: I see pp painting and all they think about is...will it sell....
    milakel Resident: we all have our reasons why we're sitting here right now
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Zen Arado: maybe we had no choice?
    Eliza Madrigal: well we have reasons we 'show' and maybe lots hidden from even ourselves
    Zen Arado: was just fate
    Eliza Madrigal: fate is a strange word... have never really grokked it
    Zen Arado: it isn't grokkable maybe

    Eliza Madrigal: heard people twittering today about how 'soul' doesn't belong in buddhism... then realized there is something called 'store consciousness' in buddhist teachings...
    Riddle Sideways: we grok it, but can not communicate it to you
    Zen Arado: alaya vijnana
    Zen Arado: eighth consciousness
    Eliza Madrigal: so something beyond those terms that people seem to understand and try to express
    Zen Arado: yeh am fascinated by that
    Eliza Madrigal: but even without doing so, each has a sense about it
    Zen Arado: we store abilities too
    Eliza Madrigal: say more?
    Zen Arado: if we lost our ability to drive each night after sleeping it would no be nice
    Zen Arado: it isn't the same as memory
    Zen Arado: could use that as a way to show there is a 'self'
    Eliza Madrigal: but we don't come into the world knowing how to drive?
    Zen Arado: something that stays the same through life
    Zen Arado: no..but we store that ability when we acquire it
    Eliza Madrigal: if we come into the world, hehe
    Zen Arado: and many others of course
    Eliza Madrigal: but not memory?

    --BELL--

    Zen Arado: memory is more about verbal knowledge?
    Zen Arado: or recollections of experiences
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, so 'grok' would touch store consciousness whereas 'understanding' would entail memory process/access?
    Eliza Madrigal: the latter prob stands on the former if so...
    Zen Arado: maybe

    Zen Arado: I have a book about 8 consciousnesses
    Zen Arado: forget where I put it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahahha
    Eliza Madrigal rolls
    Eliza Madrigal: once in a dream, my son had a boy scout troupe and they came into danger... a waterfall...
    Eliza Madrigal: he looked for the book 'what to do in case of danger at a waterfall'
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Zen Arado: lol
    Zen Arado: sounds like me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Riddle Sideways: hehehehe

    Eliza Madrigal: well, reading this session over I'm sure it will all make sense
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    milakel Resident: hi :)
    Riddle Sideways: think so?
    milakel Resident: i dozed off for a bit
    Zen Arado: wouldn't bank on it Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: in some strange way
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    milakel Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: did you reach deep dormancy and are now sprouting creative ideas?
    Zen Arado: naps are good
    Riddle Sideways: is dormancy the word of the day?
    milakel Resident: mm, this loaf of bread looks sooo yummy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: seems to be mind
    Eliza Madrigal: mine*
    Zen Arado: le mot de jour :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: dormant means inactive
    Zen Arado: ?
    Eliza Madrigal: space is optional
    milakel Resident: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah

    Eliza Madrigal: gosh the truth police are going to get us for this session
    milakel Resident: eh, so sad there are no animations :/
    Eliza Madrigal: :( sorry Mila
    milakel Resident: what truth police?
    Eliza Madrigal: that's the spirit!
    milakel Resident: and what has been said?
    Riddle Sideways: oh, what is that cars/police song about the dream police live inside of your head
    milakel Resident: a perfectly fine polite conversation to me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Zen Arado: but I didn't undrstand it :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    milakel Resident: we can always fix the log if we really need to :)
    Zen Arado: not unusuak for me
    Zen Arado: unusual
    Eliza Madrigal: :) MIla, we'll just give it a snappy title

    Eliza Madrigal: like 'don't try to undersatnd this'
    milakel Resident: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: or Dormancy, needs no space
    milakel Resident: well, i didn't get the 8th whatever that was either :)
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Zen Arado: alaya vijnana dormancy
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: frame works... languages, programming and coding
    Eliza Madrigal: hide/show

    milakel Resident: that's why i always say - give examples!
    milakel Resident: eaiser to understand this way
    Zen Arado: have to understand it yourself first though
    Zen Arado: :)
    milakel Resident: well... :)
    Eliza Madrigal: well, how would one 'give' the idea of dormancy?I guess one can liken it to winter
    Eliza Madrigal: necessary stopping
    Zen Arado: suggests a following period of activity doesn't it?
    milakel Resident: dictionary can
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, or blooming in wait/potential
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Eliza Madrigal: but already with the idea one is searching to describe something 'else'...
    Zen Arado: a potentiality

    milakel Resident: "Dormancy is a period in an organism's life cycle when growth, development, and (in animals) physical activity are temporarily stopped." -- wikipedia

    Eliza Madrigal: so to resort to the dictionary is more steps removed?
    milakel Resident: eliza, someone did the hard work already :)
    Zen Arado: how do you know they are right?
    milakel Resident: at least it gives everyone a common starting point
    Eliza Madrigal: AH, surprisingly good definition, that... resonates with intuitive faculties
    Zen Arado: a consensus
    Eliza Madrigal: not always the case
    Zen Arado: maybe my meaning is the only right one

    Eliza Madrigal: hah, hearing Bleu and Storm! WAVES
    Riddle Sideways: voice session?
    Zen Arado: better get dinner
    Eliza Madrigal: I should pack up our nice little scene
    milakel Resident: that was a long meeting! :)

    --BELL--

    milakel Resident: ah, leave it for a few days, eliza
    Zen Arado: yes but intersting
    Eliza Madrigal: will be sent back to me if I try :)
    Zen Arado: byee all
    milakel Resident: cu
    Riddle Sideways: by by
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen, have a nice dinner!
    milakel Resident: *pouts*
    Eliza Madrigal: if I clean up then I keep rezzing priveleges
    milakel Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks for an interesting session
    milakel Resident: thank you guys
    Riddle Sideways: yes, itg turned interestin
    Eliza Madrigal: funny when that happens
    Riddle Sideways: bye and thanks
    milakel Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye, Be well and happy

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