2011.07.19 13:00 - Of Reality, Nomads and Wandering Souls

The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Korel
Korel Laloix: Heya
Aphrodite Macbain: You arrived very neatly seated
Korel Laloix: You scared everyone away?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Dash
Korel Laloix: I try to be social... smiles
Dash Earthboy: hey y'all
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm here for Bruce who is in a RL retreat
Dash Earthboy: thanks Aph
Korel Laloix: OH OK.
Korel Laloix: wadi
Aphrodite Macbain: wadi?
Korel Laloix: meant wado.... thanks.
Korel Laloix: Bad typing day today.
Aphrodite Macbain: in Cree?

Tsalagi

Korel Laloix: Tsalagi
Korel Laloix: and others.
Aphrodite Macbain: Tsalagi is a language as well as a first nation?
Dash Earthboy: appears Tulsa is sitting at 100F even
Korel Laloix: Tsalagi is the Tsalagi word for Cherokee.
Dash Earthboy: any heat index there Korel?
Dash Earthboy: oops sry
Aphrodite Macbain: Haven't been following. Thanks Korel
Korel Laloix: The origion of the word Cherokee is debatable... but many think it is a mutation of the Cree work for people that don't speak Cree.
Aphrodite Macbain: Is that football?
Korel Laloix: No worries.
Korel Laloix: Football?
Dash Earthboy: heat wave Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh that was weather not a score! lol
Dash Earthboy: :)
Dash Earthboy: sry
Aphrodite Macbain: It's unseasonably cool in Vancouver - you have all the heat
Dash Earthboy: so a mutation of the Cree word huh Korel?
Korel Laloix: That is what a lot of scholars think.
Dash Earthboy: hey Gretsch & Fc
Gretsch Resident: Hi
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you speak Tsalagi Korel?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Fc
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Gretsch
Gretsch Resident: Hi
Aphrodite Macbain: Have you been here before Gretsch?
Dash Earthboy: welcome
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Dash Gretsch Aphrodite Korel
Gretsch Resident: Once
Aphrodite Macbain: So you know we are being recorded and that the record will go into a wiki log?
Aphrodite Macbain: How are you finding the summer Fc. Is there any bamboo left for you to eat?
Dash Earthboy: *remembers thinking of the Gretsch guitars last time...
Gretsch Resident: Gretsch makes guitars and drums
Dash Earthboy: ya
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you play any Gretsch?
Gretsch Resident: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Please take a cushion Gretsch
Dash Earthboy: care to join us in the circle Gretsch?
Dash Earthboy: snap
Gretsch Resident: I believe that I already have joined you
Dash Earthboy: on a cushion?
Aphrodite Macbain: You are still standing...
Gretsch Resident: Actually, I'm sitting in a chair
Dash Earthboy: lol
Korel Laloix: Back in a bit.
Dash Earthboy: not laying on your desk huh?
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Dash Earthboy: shame how work can interrupt things here...
FcSeeker Resident: sorry Aphrodite; I was disturbed by my RL
Aphrodite Macbain: Oops- we are loosing people!
FcSeeker Resident: ah yes
Aphrodite Macbain: How terrible Fc
FcSeeker Resident: there's so much bamboo that I can fill my tummy each day
Aphrodite Macbain: Nothing worse than reality interruptus
Dash Earthboy: :)

Reality and bamboo

Dash Earthboy: ya, like Korel's work in RL
Dash Earthboy: not sure what happened to Gretsch tho, just poof
FcSeeker Resident: ohhhh
Aphrodite Macbain: You must have a bamboo garden you keep watered
FcSeeker Resident: is this baby panda no reality ???
FcSeeker Resident: oh how terrible...
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello again Qend
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Quend
Dash Earthboy: hey Qend
FcSeeker Resident: sorry Qend
Dash Earthboy: *imagines Fc has marshes of bamboo to feed on
FcSeeker Resident: *sighs*
Aphrodite Macbain: What was that sigh for Fc?
Aphrodite Macbain: Bored with bamboo?
FcSeeker Resident: somebody gave me a hint that I'm not real...
FcSeeker Resident: must think now a lot...
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh YOU are real Fc. It's just that the rest of us aren't
Dash Earthboy: :)
FcSeeker Resident: oh....
Aphrodite Macbain: How do we know what's real and what isn't anyway?
FcSeeker Resident: that feels even more bad...
Aphrodite Macbain: awww.
Dash Earthboy: wink wink nudge nudge :)
FcSeeker Resident: I feel very real spirits gather here ...
Aphrodite Macbain: anything can be real to us
FcSeeker Resident: hmmmm
FcSeeker Resident: hear me thinking ???
Dash Earthboy: :)
FcSeeker Resident: hear my heart to beat ???
Aphrodite Macbain: yes a fuzzy bear brain buzzing
Dash Earthboy: smell the rubber burning :)
FcSeeker Resident: oh...
Aphrodite Macbain: buzzing and burning
Aphrodite Macbain: my stomach's churning
FcSeeker Resident: this put baby panda's head to burn...
Dash Earthboy: poetry session?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- you can put music to my lyrics Dash
Dash Earthboy: lol
FcSeeker Resident: but in case my thoughts and heart beat are heard I must be real...
Aphrodite Macbain: what rhymes with burning and churning?
Aphrodite Macbain: you are very real Fc
Dash Earthboy: yearning?
Aphrodite Macbain tickles Fc's ears
FcSeeker Resident: learning ?
FcSeeker Resident: smiles very happily
Aphrodite Macbain: Qend. Do you speak English?
Dash Earthboy: turning?
Qend Resident: Yes
Aphrodite Macbain: OK great. I'd turn on my translator if you didn't
FcSeeker Resident: (maybe we have not given any space for Qend to speak...
Aphrodite Macbain: translators turning
milakel Resident: hi :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Mila
Dash Earthboy: hey mila
FcSeeker Resident: Hello milakel
Aphrodite Macbain: gtsy
milakel Resident: ;)
Dash Earthboy: gutsy & nutsy :)
FcSeeker Resident: (feels a bit cold on his right side...)
milakel Resident: we know you've been plotting something with storm, aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Qend - do you know that this discussion is being recorded and will be put on a public wiki?
milakel Resident: fc :P
milakel Resident: yes, aph
milakel Resident: he's been here yesterday on sharon's session
Aphrodite Macbain: ok. great thanks Mila

Qend Resident: Okay, no none of you speak English.
Qend Resident: And your contracts are invalid.
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
milakel Resident: que pasa amigo?
Qend Resident: AND you're all crazy and incapable

Aphrodite Macbain: OK benissimo
milakel Resident: archy :)
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Archmage
milakel Resident: has landed
Dash Earthboy: hey Arch
Aphrodite Macbain: Yayyy
FcSeeker Resident: ah...so you have much pain to blow out Qend I see
milakel Resident: what's the topic, aph?
FcSeeker Resident: oh...we scared Qend away ?
Dash Earthboy: people getting lost :)
Aphrodite Macbain: There isn't one yet. Any suggestions? We've been discussing a variety of things including the weather.
Dash Earthboy: y'all missed Korel & Gretsch here earlier
Aphrodite Macbain: Qend's still here
FcSeeker Resident: and bamboo :))))))
FcSeeker Resident: ah yes; lost her for a moment
Aphrodite Macbain: any topic ideas dear friends?
FcSeeker Resident: how about bamboo ?
Dash Earthboy: we could stay on this one?
milakel Resident: leave qend alone you guys
Aphrodite Macbain: bamboo?
FcSeeker Resident: that's good topic imo :)))))
Archmage Atlantis: Only the topic of there being a topic
Dash Earthboy: as long as i'm learning or teaching, i'm happy
Archmage Atlantis: Agree Dash
Aphrodite Macbain: topic of capricorn?

Mind, body and soul

milakel Resident: how about mind-body problem?
Aphrodite Macbain: ummm ok
FcSeeker Resident: ah; have a good friend who's capricorn....
Dash Earthboy: tropic Aph?
milakel Resident: do you think it's one substance with the body or separate?
Aphrodite Macbain: topic - word play
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, how about minds and bodies?
Aphrodite Macbain: let's wait for the silence to end
Qend Resident: I can't talk much here because you're word prostitutes
Qend Resident: Free love with all the PaB members! :)
FcSeeker Resident: so how about Qend also let us be not insulted ?
Dash Earthboy: my brain is secure in my body under a layer of concrete :)
Archmage Atlantis: What in heck is a word prostitute?
Aphrodite Macbain: So, what about minds and bodies? Are our minds part of our bodies?
milakel Resident: fc, don't say "us" please :)
milakel Resident: i ain't insulted :P
Qend Resident: Fc, I'm not sure what you mean :)
Dash Earthboy: Arch my brain is secure in my body under a layer of concrete :)
milakel Resident: santo :)
Dash Earthboy: hey Santo

FcSeeker Resident: ok...two persons not like me to be present so I'll excuse myself

FcSeeker Resident: enjoy with your will to hurt milakel and Qend

Dash Earthboy: pls stay panda :)
milakel Resident: oh my... so much insecurity

Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sorry Fc had to leave. Maybe he's looking for bamboo
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: yes, i liked his cute floating hearts

Qend Resident: Santoshima!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Santo. GTSY
Archmage Atlantis: Someone who sells their words for profit?
milakel Resident: haha
Santoshima Resident: hello all
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you explain further Qend?
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm interested in what you're saying
Aphrodite Macbain: Santo - where are you? I can't see you
milakel Resident: poof :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Lots of poofing going on

Nomads, travellers and the Bible

milakel Resident: oh, i've read a nice blog post today
Qend Resident: Hold on.. family buggin' me
milakel Resident: written by a guy who traveled for 8 years non stop-wait, let me find it...
Aphrodite Macbain: My mind is definitly planted in my body along with my conciousness
Aphrodite Macbain: no rush Qend
milakel Resident: http://www.fluentin3months.com/life-lessons/
Dash Earthboy: Aph my brain is secure in my body under a layer of concrete :)
Dash Earthboy: ppl say i'm hard-headed :)
milakel Resident: he's my alternate life :)
milakel Resident: dash, but soft-hearted? :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for explaining Dash!!:-)
Aphrodite Macbain: This is an interesting statement that traveller made: You don't need to be rich to travel the world. To find out more about me and my story, please read my site's About page to see a list of the many jobs I've had during my travels. For just the last one year I've been earning money by helping people to hack languages quicker.]
Aphrodite Macbain: What would he mean by "by helping people to hack languages quicker."
Aphrodite Macbain: How do you hack a language?
milakel Resident: um, not sure
milakel Resident: i didn't read into it :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Curious
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder if he's happier for constantly travelling
milakel Resident: learn, i think
Aphrodite Macbain: happier
Aphrodite Macbain: oh, like "grok"
milakel Resident: aph, he sure fulfilled one of our purpose on this planet - get to know it and its inhabitants :)

Qend Resident: okay, who was the violent person?
Aphrodite Macbain: violent? who?
milakel Resident: um... freddy krueger is kind of an evil person

Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. Perhaps. But can one really get to know people if one keeps moving?
Dash Earthboy: his reasoning is similar to Thoreau's about simple living and not learning everything from books
milakel Resident: aph, i think you become more adapted to it as you move and meet many people
Archmage Atlantis: Heinlein (Author of Stranger in a Strange Land in which the term "grok" was used) ....there is a great debate about him in my community, "grok" not withstandng.

Aphrodite Macbain: What kind of debate?

Dash Earthboy: traveling around without many possessions is an ancient lifestyle

Aphrodite Macbain: hmm perhaps. I think I would get to know myself more. But not others
milakel Resident: dash, apparently not, as quite a few people do that :)
Archmage Atlantis: Empires end, (a trade paperback collecting a series of comic books written by Tom Veitch and illustrated by Jim Baikie, published in 1997).ats
Dash Earthboy: mila "apparently not?" you mean not ancient? it goes back at least 3 millennia :)
Aphrodite Macbain: nomads usually had sheep and tents
Dash Earthboy: hmmm
Dash Earthboy: sources?
milakel Resident: ah, you mean as in historical perspective - yes :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Neanderthals were nomadic then slowly they began to grow things and built buildings and stayed in one place
Dash Earthboy: even in Bible many did not have sheep
Dash Earthboy: yes mila
milakel Resident: bibles is just a story :)
Dash Earthboy: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: no, but the nomads did b/c they had to move the sheep from summer to winter pastures
Dash Earthboy: a pseudo history from Hebrew perspective
Aphrodite Macbain: the Bible?
Aphrodite Macbain: It was written by many people, not all Hebrew
Dash Earthboy: Aph, nomads can't be all classified as sheep herders :)
milakel Resident: dash, that's a good tagline :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, but sheep herders can be classified as nomads.They travel vast distances during the year
Dash Earthboy: only non-Hebrew I know whose writing is in current Bible is Paul Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: but within a pattern
milakel Resident: aph, they didn't cultivate the land though, no?
Dash Earthboy: mila remember Cain & Abel
Dash Earthboy: one grew crops
Dash Earthboy: one hunted
Dash Earthboy: the dawn of civilization
Aphrodite Macbain: no. land cultivators aren't usually nomads
Aphrodite Macbain: The BIble covers many years
Aphrodite Macbain: the hunters and gatherers were WAY back-pre-bible, pre-history
Dash Earthboy: i like the hunter/gatherer lifestyle :)
milakel Resident: imagine if only one book would survive from our times and distant ancestors read it :)

Hunting and gathering

Aphrodite Macbain: yeh? Do you like to shoot your meat Dash and eat berries?
Dash Earthboy: anyway, mila, your guy's lifestyle is ancient and well-grounded
milakel Resident: :)
Dash Earthboy: yes Aph I do I DO
Dash Earthboy: had a tree and berry farm :)
Aphrodite Macbain: When you move somewhere else do you want to continue living off the land?
milakel Resident: oh nooes! you shot little white rabbits?
Dash Earthboy: and shot deer and turkeys and more
Dash Earthboy: yes even old Bugs Bunny :)
Aphrodite Macbain: aww bambi...
Dash Earthboy: yep
Dash Earthboy: so hate me
Aphrodite Macbain: lol Dash
milakel Resident: dash! i would *never* think!
Aphrodite Macbain giggles
milakel Resident: :P
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm too old to pick berries
Dash Earthboy: even my Amish friends in Ohio hunt with guns
milakel Resident: well, i like animals. i prefer to buy them in stores.
Dash Earthboy: i supplied berries to local markets
Aphrodite Macbain: I like wild boar and wild hare -
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: eek
Dash Earthboy: and ginseng
Dash Earthboy: and black walnuts
Aphrodite Macbain wonders whether Dash should leave the place he's living
milakel Resident: ok, dash. tell me, how do you hunt for a rabbit?
Dash Earthboy: not on the farm now Aph
Aphrodite Macbain thinks it sounds like paradise
Dash Earthboy: it was
Aphrodite Macbain: very carefully?
Dash Earthboy: i was a fool to get scammed into selling it
milakel Resident: :/
Aphrodite Macbain: oh. Now you live in a 3-bedroom house
Dash Earthboy: yes
Dash Earthboy: on about 2 acres
Aphrodite Macbain: would you move to a farm again?
milakel Resident: well, not bad. could be worse :)
Dash Earthboy: that was a 60 acre farm i had
Dash Earthboy: in a heartbeat Aph :(
Aphrodite Macbain: why didn't you sell part of it and keep the rest?
Dash Earthboy: why oh why?

milakel Resident: zon :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zon
Zon Kwan: hi hi
Dash Earthboy: hi Zon

Aphrodite Macbain: How are you Zon?
Zon Kwan: good as always

Dash Earthboy: my ex scammed me Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: I would love to live in the country but I'm afaid it would be rather lonely
Dash Earthboy: me and our son
Dash Earthboy: for the money
milakel Resident: dash, so you need a certain caliber for a rabbit?
Aphrodite Macbain: bee bee gun?
Dash Earthboy: nope mila
Dash Earthboy: yep Aph
Dash Earthboy: or shotgun
Aphrodite Macbain: Lots of little pellets to pull out, no?
Dash Earthboy: or good dog
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Dash Earthboy: or trap
Aphrodite Macbain: :-(

Dash Earthboy: hey Aph, they were feeding on my tiny garden
milakel Resident: From how far can you shoot at it?
Dash Earthboy: i had to chase bear out of that garden too (i didn't want to eat bear, so wouldn't kill it)
Aphrodite Macbain: Well, I must go and forage for lunch now.
Dash Earthboy: mila, I once shot a running squirrel through a branch at a hundred feet with a 30 cal rifle
Dash Earthboy: have a good one Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Good being with you all. An interesting hour!
Aphrodite Macbain: wow you're a good shot Dash
Dash Earthboy: :)
Dash Earthboy: sometimes I get lucky :)
milakel Resident: dash, oh... impressive
Dash Earthboy: was out for deer at friends farm and didn't want to go home empty-handed
Dash Earthboy: friends dog had found that squirrel
milakel Resident: hunting is certainlly one of the most ancient lifestyle :)
Dash Earthboy: and itinerant traveling
Dash Earthboy: very ancient
Dash Earthboy: these days I continue to come across gypsies
Dash Earthboy: you might be surprised how much of the homeless population is migratory too
Dash Earthboy: from one city's shelters to another across the country
Korel Laloix: People do what they need to do to survive.
Dash Earthboy: and sometimes in jails for vagrancy
Dash Earthboy: Santo is back
Dash Earthboy: and Korel :)
Santoshima Resident: had to leave suddenly
milakel Resident: wb :)
Santoshima Resident: thanks
milakel Resident: korel! the tough biker girl! :)
Dash Earthboy: mila had brought up a blog from a guy living a traveling/simple life on little money
milakel Resident: i think me and korel could do that
Dash Earthboy: simple but more rich than most IMHO
milakel Resident: dash, 20s well spent :)
Dash Earthboy: yep
milakel Resident: guess not much fun when you do at 60
Dash Earthboy: maybe not
Dash Earthboy: but i know a few of those too :)
milakel Resident: :)
Dash Earthboy: one's a chiropractor
Dash Earthboy: another hands out investment advice at restaurants
milakel Resident: heh
milakel Resident: good one
Dash Earthboy: lots of ways to support yourself when traveling
milakel Resident: what would you do?
Dash Earthboy: music if possible
milakel Resident: and rabbits of course
Dash Earthboy: nope no tricks :)
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: yes, i've seen some traveling musicians
milakel Resident: most of them have rather lonely and sad lives though
Dash Earthboy: i'm taking guitars, autoharp, keyboards & more: all either acoustic or battery
milakel Resident: and take that singer girl with you too :)
Dash Earthboy: no can't do
milakel Resident: you didn't ask yet :)
Dash Earthboy: she's been out of my life for over 20 years and I'm fine with that...she lives in Cleveland with her husband...and there's no room in the car for her anyway :)
Dash Earthboy: not even in the trunk :)
Dash Earthboy: guess I could mount her on the hood :)
Archmage Atlantis: Dash, dash, dash
Archmage Atlantis: Sexual imagery in a PaB Meeting, oh my
Dash Earthboy: rough trade huh?
Archmage Atlantis: Rough talking......trade, who knows?
Archmage Atlantis: Dash, I have a question for you
Dash Earthboy: *remembers Qend bringing up word prostitutes :)

Archmage Atlantis: Do living beings have a soul?
Archmage Atlantis: You sing
Archmage Atlantis: Singing brings some clarity
Archmage Atlantis: so I ask
Dash Earthboy: i do not consider the soul to be the same as the life force in all beings
Archmage Atlantis: Interesting
Dash Earthboy: i believe the soul is the a special connection people have with that life force
Dash Earthboy: same as we have opposable thumbs
Archmage Atlantis: The space between being and not being?
Qend Resident: say it a different way!
Dash Earthboy: ?
Zon Kwan: the strech between body and wholeness
Dash Earthboy: i grok that
Archmage Atlantis: And you, Korel?
Archmage Atlantis: You have contact with older ways of thought.
Korel Laloix: Not sure I really understand the question.
Dash Earthboy: the happy hunting ground has animal spirits in it?
Dash Earthboy: same as human spirits?
Korel Laloix: If the question of souls, yes I believe that.
Dash Earthboy: souls?
Korel Laloix: But to summarize the belief systems of many nations is a bit broad.
Dash Earthboy: for a chat yes :)

milakel Resident: hi :)
Dash Earthboy: :)
Dash Earthboy: wb mila
milakel Resident: ;)
milakel Resident: wait, korel... new hair?
milakel Resident: looks cute
Dash Earthboy: *wonders how many are afk?
milakel Resident: all of them :)
Korel Laloix: Actually old....
milakel Resident: session time is over
Korel Laloix: Wore this back in 2006 I think.
milakel Resident: hehe
Korel Laloix: Just inventory sorting.
Korel Laloix: Slowly clearing out my old AV.
Korel Laloix: Keeping some things.
milakel Resident: ah
Korel Laloix: Sl archeology.
milakel Resident: i suggest to trash most things
Korel Laloix: Most is trash for sure.
Korel Laloix: But I do want to keep some things.
Korel Laloix: Especially the stuff I bought.
Archmage Atlantis: Was the log claimed for posting at wooli???
milakel Resident: um...
milakel Resident: i think aph was the guardian
Dash Earthboy: yes mila, aph said she was filling in for Bruce :)
milakel Resident: ah
milakel Resident: thanks
Archmage Atlantis: Wol. the guidline as it currently exits is first claim is he who posts
Dash Earthboy: she and Fc were only ones here in beginning
milakel Resident: she probably claimed it
Dash Earthboy: *in the beginning, Aph created the...
milakel Resident: i want eliza's picnic setting :/
milakel Resident: *pouts*
Dash Earthboy: :)
milakel Resident: :P
milakel Resident: it was so lovely with the tree and her country style baskets
Dash Earthboy: well, i'll recycle this can instead of littering :)
Korel Laloix: Nice of you.
Dash Earthboy: :)
milakel Resident: our avs will be recycled as well :)
Dash Earthboy: such a hush has fallen over the crowd
Dash Earthboy: wish panda would have stayed
milakel Resident: hush puppies
Korel Laloix: We are comtemplating chocolate.
milakel Resident: yea
Santoshima Resident: why did panda leave?
Dash Earthboy: panda has lots of good insights
milakel Resident: korel! you chocolate girl :)
Dash Earthboy: panda felt mila was being dissed
milakel Resident: i think he left for bamboo
Dash Earthboy: and doesn't like discord
Santoshima Resident: in what way "dissed"?
Dash Earthboy: hard to explain Santo, but pls check the log later
Santoshima Resident: will do
Korel Laloix: To quote someone else.... the lack of chocolate is the root of all evil.
Dash Earthboy: panda had a closing statement
Dash Earthboy: :) @ Korel
Santoshima Resident: opens the palate, chocolate
Dash Earthboy: a day without chocolate is a day without sunshine....hmmm, is Sunshine at the retreat?
milakel Resident: don't think so
Dash Earthboy: wonder where she's been?
Archmage Atlantis: Shining, Dash
Dash Earthboy: under a bushel basket? :)
Archmage Atlantis: like all ets
Archmage Atlantis: chuckle
Dash Earthboy: she's right in .... here :)
Dash Earthboy: she needs to phone home :)
Archmage Atlantis: Gotta go.....y all....and yawl.....blessings and namaste
Dash Earthboy: bye Arch