2011.07.31 01:00 - Naked truths about men and women

The Guardian for this meeting was Qt Core. The comments are by Qt Core.

Qt Core: Hi Auguste
Auguste Wolfhunter: Hi Qt!
Qt Core: Have you ever been here before ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: yes, I have, Qt. As my alt, Rhiannon.
Auguste Wolfhunter: :)
Qt Core: ok :-)
Zon Kwan: if i see a naked woman here i think its rh
Auguste Wolfhunter: There's at least one other who isn't me who come.
Qt Core: yes, it's high probable, but who knows
Auguste Wolfhunter: I find it funny; of course, there are a couple of sims that practice "spot the Rhia," don't recogtnize me naked but do inn clothes.
Auguste Wolfhunter: In completely different avatars.
Zon Kwan: shoul i als o get naked
Auguste Wolfhunter: if you want to, Zon
Auguste Wolfhunter: oh, now here's something wierd--totally different than RL.
Qt Core: and then when they find you clothed they worry about what you scheming ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: There is another nudist who lives in my sim, and he wants to come to my discussions; two people told him to leave
Auguste Wolfhunter: Qt, yes, they do, actually.
Zon Kwan: but perhaps they ban me
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: this is public sim
Auguste Wolfhunter: It was so strange; i had an alt totally unlike me, clothed, and immediately recognized
Qt Core: sl, where normal is weird ;-)
Auguste Wolfhunter: People told him to leave, and I 'm naked, and it's our sim
Zon Kwan: lol
Zon Kwan: how did they recognise you
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, I have no idea; i hadn't even texted the first time.
Zon Kwan: your vibe is strong
Qt Core: some details like hair or AO ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: But it was funny, one person liked to taunt me when she recognized me as an alt, but it boomeranged on her, as I asked her why she ould want me banned, as that would be the implication, and then that started others dumping on her and she left, shouting, "You're all trolls." No, no detail at all
Auguste Wolfhunter: Oh, and my other point I didn't finish was that it seems for some people, either it's acceptable for me to be nude, but nobody else, or it is more accedptable for a woman to be nude than a man, which is the wierd thing and the opposite of RL
Qt Core: how much traffic have that place ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: Which place; i've referred to two.
Zon Kwan: what i sthe idea of being nude, rhi ?
Zon Kwan: is there a message
Auguste Wolfhunter: It's in my other profile, but yes, there is a message
Qt Core: both, thinking about yu were recognized as the only one "stranger"
Auguste Wolfhunter: I'll copy and paste it from my profile.
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, it could be that I was the "stranger," they do, at that one place, 'accuse' people of either being me or this guy birric if they are new
Auguste Wolfhunter: I am nude; if a woman cannot display her body, she cannot display her thoughts. Ambrose Bierce said to men a man is but a mind, but a woman's body is the woman. It is also a challenge: can you see beyond my appearance to me? Am i a mind to you, or only a body?
Auguste Wolfhunter: For most men, the answer is I'm only a body
Zon Kwan: nods
Auguste Wolfhunter: Or a slut, whore, nardissist, bitch, cunt, etc.
Zon Kwan: woman is usually linked more to the body by men at least
Zon Kwan: perhaps cause they give birth
Auguste Wolfhunter: It becomes a screening process
Qt Core: (and to think i was thinking i may be offensive asking you if you were nude to challenge others...)
Auguste Wolfhunter: One guy has never forgiven me for screening men
Auguste Wolfhunter: Qt, lol
Auguste Wolfhunter: It's not the only reason, but it's part of it.
Auguste Wolfhunter: You're grey to me, Zon
Zon Kwan: i think mlae energy is yanf and female energy is yin
Auguste Wolfhunter: I also find it interesting that people call me by my alt's name in my other alt, but in this one, they call me Rhi
Zon Kwan: and men usually have mor ynag than yin, but not always
Auguste Wolfhunter: I know, I announced that I was, but it's the the only time it happened
Auguste Wolfhunter: Yeah, it's a mistake to say that yang is 'masculine,' and yen is feminine. That's only one aspect of it
Auguste Wolfhunter: Don't think it quite requates to 'animus' and 'anima'
Auguste Wolfhunter: Which is supposed to be in all of us
Zon Kwan: yes but yin is more receptive and yang active
Zon Kwan: cthere is a difference in function
Auguste Wolfhunter: The idea that women are more receptive, just because (and it is a thriling then, to be sure) we receive sperm, has never really impressed me
Zon Kwan: well its bilogical
Zon Kwan: well its biolocigal
Zon Kwan: female energy receives and nurtures
Auguste Wolfhunter: 'oh, honey, here's my shit; you're supposed to be receptive...'
Zon Kwan: and creates
Auguste Wolfhunter sticks her tongue out
Zon Kwan: not you
Zon Kwan: you can be anything
Zon Kwan: your body
Zon Kwan: there are men who have more female energy in them than male energy
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: although their body is male
Zon Kwan: their mind is female
Zon Kwan: and vice versa
Auguste Wolfhunter: So what about hillary. When she was running for President, she made a comment like she would retliate if Iran attacked Israel. The reporter said, "It sounds like you would consider an attack on Iran." She replied, "No, I will obliterate Iran, if they attack Israel." Receptive? Passive? Nurturing?
Zon Kwan: male
Zon Kwan: mind
Zon Kwan: womans body
Auguste Wolfhunter: So any strong woman is a transexual?
Zon Kwan: no labels needed
Zon Kwan: mala and female energies are both needed
Auguste Wolfhunter nods
Zon Kwan: they just appaer in different quantities in different ppl
Auguste Wolfhunter: But I still consider it insulting and sexist to say that if a woman is assertive and aggressive, it'sbecause she is really male.
Zon Kwan: yes that is meant to be insulting
Auguste Wolfhunter: Hillary and Bill, the first gay couple in the White House.
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: they have balanced energies
Auguste Wolfhunter: And the other way around. Are men female, if they are sensitive and compassionate?
Zon Kwan: boht have lots of male and female energy
Auguste Wolfhunter: Receptive?
Zon Kwan: yes
Zon Kwan: their mind is female then
Zon Kwan: or yin oriented
Zon Kwan: there is always the polarity
Zon Kwan: give and take
Zon Kwan: speak and listen
Zon Kwan: give sperm and receive it
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, I think what we've done is taken basic human traits, and labelled them according to the needs of a patriarchal society
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: we need new words
Auguste Wolfhunter: We need to realize gender doesn't matter.
Zon Kwan: to describe things as tehy are withut judging
Zon Kwan: nods
Auguste Wolfhunter: Not for anything important--productivity, love, relationships, work
Zon Kwan: but i still like women more than men
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, maybe for how you pee--standing up or sitting.
Zon Kwan: cant help it
Auguste Wolfhunter: Now, that's the mark of a human being, isn't it?
Zon Kwan: i hope so
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, I like women more than men too, but I think that's a weakness in me.
Zon Kwan: even in lesbian or gay relations
Zon Kwan: you have the polarity
Zon Kwan: ot might change
Zon Kwan: but it is always there
Zon Kwan: weakness ?
Zon Kwan: women just are more interesting
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah. I think men are human beings too. Well, of course we are. lol
Auguste Wolfhunter: Men are simple creatures who want to be fed and fucked.
Zon Kwan: yup
Auguste Wolfhunter: If they get more complicated, it's called sublimation. lol
Zon Kwan: and to be taken care off
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, we all want that
Zon Kwan: is sublimation perversion ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, if Freud is right, it is.
Zon Kwan: hm
Auguste Wolfhunter: But since when has freud been right? lol
Zon Kwan: not so sure of him
Zon Kwan: he had some issues..
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, he considered anything that deviated from pure, heterosexual fucking to be perverted.
Zon Kwan: wasnt it so that we didnt dare himself to be analysed ?
Zon Kwan: he
Auguste Wolfhunter: Didn't he analyze himself.
Auguste Wolfhunter: He just wanted someone as smart as he to do it.
Zon Kwan: i think he also feared death
Auguste Wolfhunter: And well, that left, um, him.
Zon Kwan: rhi, as yuo are a woman
Zon Kwan: tell me
Zon Kwan: was he right in the penis envy stuff ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: Yeah,, Freud was also attracted to death--the death wish
Auguste Wolfhunter: lmao
Auguste Wolfhunter: nooooo
Zon Kwan: so you dontr want a penis
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, I do envy it when i'm out in the woods, and hve to squat
Zon Kwan: nods
Auguste Wolfhunter: I think what it is is that there is an envy of male privilege
Zon Kwan: it must be easier
Auguste Wolfhunter: And that is symbolized by the penis
Zon Kwan: hm
Auguste Wolfhunter: It looks too vulnerable just danglin there though
Zon Kwan: it is
Auguste Wolfhunter: But to think that this big, hulking guy can be controlled by such a little thing.
Zon Kwan: perhaps men have vagina envy then
Auguste Wolfhunter: It's like the lever that can move the world.
Auguste Wolfhunter: Womb envy, someone said.
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: ability to create life
Auguste Wolfhunter: Like in Francis Ford Coppola's "Mary Shelly's Fsrankenstein," when the good doctor had an artificial womb for his son, the monster
--BELL--
Auguste Wolfhunter: yes, you all seem to do all sorts of things to be able to simulate giving birth
Zon Kwan: perhaps its deeper
Zon Kwan: you envy something you dont have
Zon Kwan: and think the other has
Zon Kwan: and vice versa
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, the grass is greener
Zon Kwan: the grass is always greener
Zon Kwan: lol
Auguste Wolfhunter: I went to Blackhart's as a male alt,and wondered why no one was picking me up
Auguste Wolfhunter: The I realized, 'oh, that's right...'
Zon Kwan: perhaps it was not a gaay place
Auguste Wolfhunter: no, it was a heterosexual place; veyr 80's
Zon Kwan: its quite interesting
Zon Kwan: we live the age of equaliry
Zon Kwan: women should be liberated
Zon Kwan: and still
Zon Kwan: men do mostly ythe picking up
Auguste Wolfhunter: And this one philosoph sim, Thothica, the admin, even though female, always fawns over men; but doesn't respect women's opinions *at all*
Zon Kwan: funny
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, I want to pursue this sometime; maybe it would make a good topic for my group.
Qt Core: sure all the sim isn't just a trap for men, then ?
Auguste Wolfhunter: Qt, like a roach motel for men--they check in, but they don't check out? lol
Zon Kwan: going to eat lunch..see ya...perhaps naked myself too one time
Auguste Wolfhunter: Zon, yes, come to my discussios naked
Zon Kwan: okie
Auguste Wolfhunter: There's been complaints that there aren't enough naked men
Zon Kwan: i will
Qt Core: sorry if i haven't spoken mutch but it is a topic i can hardly put in word even in my own language
Auguste Wolfhunter: Like it's biased in some way
Zon Kwan: just to balance things
Auguste Wolfhunter: What language is yours, Qt?
Qt Core: italian
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, I think the woman was implying that there was an inequality that was sexist in some way
Auguste Wolfhunter: oh, Italian
Auguste Wolfhunter: In Sleeper, Woody Allen was told that all the men were impotent in the future, except the Italians. He thought it was due to the pasta
Qt Core: ;-) as i'm from northern italy i'm more a rice eater... i'm damned too then
Auguste Wolfhunter: awwww
Auguste Wolfhunter: I, um, "dated," this one Italian guy, claimed to be a count, fucked me eight times that night. I couldn't move after he was through with me. Decided not to have anything to do with him again, although he was very generous.
Auguste Wolfhunter: After he had me scrub his kitchen floor naked on my hands and knees
Auguste Wolfhunter: He paid me well.
Qt Core: sometimes i think that the lack of the third/neuter gender in italian may inluence out thoughts about gender as almost every word we speak has one
Qt Core: i hope so
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, almost every language but English gives inanimate objects gender
Auguste Wolfhunter: That's the easiest thing, maybe the only easy thing, about English
Qt Core: masculinity is a female word in italian ;-)
Auguste Wolfhunter: h, she, it, for male, female, and neuter
Auguste Wolfhunter: oh, really?
Auguste Wolfhunter: heh, in German, unmmaried women are referred to as neuter. Das madchen
Auguste Wolfhunter: "its"
Qt Core: that's almost cruel
Auguste Wolfhunter: It is ccoming over, instead of she is coming over
Auguste Wolfhunter: Yeah, carry over from the past, I'm sure
Auguste Wolfhunter: German guys seem pretty progressive
Auguste Wolfhunter: The younger ones, anyway.
Qt Core: but more ften are woman becoming rude as males instead than males gentle as women, wondering if that gentleness was only faked and imposed in past generaions
--BELL--
Qt Core: and if females are starting to enjoing being rude (or as it is said about women bitchy) without being reprimanded about it ;-)
Auguste Wolfhunter: hi milakel
Auguste Wolfhunter: Thanks for steppong on me
Qt Core: hi mila
milakel Resident: hi :)
milakel Resident: nice spot to land :)
milakel Resident: qt :)
Auguste Wolfhunter: oh, we've always been rude and raunchy when you guys aren't around
milakel Resident: so, i guess the session is over
Auguste Wolfhunter: Not really.
Auguste Wolfhunter: It was on male and female energies, now it's on male and female rudeness
milakel Resident: i'm late :)
Auguste Wolfhunter: Well, someone told me once, there's no such thing as late here
Auguste Wolfhunter: As long as someone wants to talk, it still goes on.
milakel Resident: either way, i'm off :)
milakel Resident: be good
Auguste Wolfhunter: nite, mila
Qt Core: i always prided myself about treating men and women as equals but still sometimes i don't, it is so ingrainde in the culture that you end up breathing it and doing it without thinking, or worse thinking it is the right/normal thing to do
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, i was flooered when I experienced male privilege as a male alt here. You don't even realize how much better men are treated until you are one.
Qt Core: when i was a kid, more than 30 years ago i was asked to draw my parents
Qt Core: in my drawings my father was cleaning the dishes and my mother was working on a desk on some papers
Qt Core: they wanted to send me to a shrink ;-)
Auguste Wolfhunter: lol
Auguste Wolfhunter: That says somethinga bout them, not you
Qt Core: my mother was a teacher at the time so she had papers to grade, while my father helped in the house (i didn't knew what he did all the day at work at the tie time)
Qt Core: in the end the shrink was a famili friend and it all ended in a laugh
--BELL--
Qt Core: (mind you, the kindergarden was a church run one)
Qt Core: time to go cooking if i want something to eat ;-)
Auguste Wolfhunter: yeah, I need to go to sleep
Auguste Wolfhunter: Nice talking to you
Qt Core: same here
Qt Core: bye and sleep well then
Auguste Wolfhunter waves and poofs