2011.07.26 07:00 - Naming vs Presence

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Joined by Zaldaan, Susan, Yakuzza and Mila.

Sim reboot started a little earlier today (7:30).
For those keeping score, this is the the 13th time since records have been being kept.

                     --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: Good [time zone], Zaldaan
Riddle Sideways: sorry, have forgotten your time zone
Riddle Sideways: as if that matters
Riddle Sideways: :)
Zaldaan Sirnah: SLT
Riddle Sideways: ok
Zaldaan Sirnah: PDT
Zaldaan Sirnah: PST
Zaldaan Sirnah: GMT-7, or 8...
Riddle Sideways: many like to be greeted with day part included
Riddle Sideways: I am also same time
Riddle Sideways: Hi Susan
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Riddle Sideways: a question,
Riddle Sideways: why do you not get called IwnderToo
Riddle Sideways: *iwandertoo
iwandertoo Resident: i believe it is a setting in the viewer
iwandertoo Resident: some only see iwandertoo, most see Susan
Riddle Sideways: ah, radar only shows iwandertoo
iwandertoo Resident: when i signed up i used iwandertoo as i didnt realize people used 'regular' names
iwandertoo Resident: (for the most part)
Riddle Sideways wonders about regular names

iwandertoo Resident: what do you wonder?
Riddle Sideways: of late have been preoccupied with naming and names and power over objects by naming
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Riddle Sideways: as opposed to the presence, existance, presentation of objects
Riddle Sideways: Hi Yak
Riddle Sideways: naming a thing is so powerful
iwandertoo Resident: one's evaluation associated with a label?
Riddle Sideways: yet, different people use different languages, labels, name words
   Here was where it started! a couple days ago
   In a story,
        Tribe A's wise-person knew the true name of a powerful spirit as [nnnnn]
        Nationality B's religious person knew the true name of same element as [mmmm]
           They had different languages and times.

milakel Resident: hi :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Riddle Sideways: Hi Mila
milakel Resident: yaku-san et al
Riddle Sideways: the presentation of a thing should be enough
Riddle Sideways: without labeling
Riddle Sideways: the calling into existance of a (whatever)
Riddle Sideways: without saying (whatever)
milakel Resident: riddle, you mean physically?
Riddle Sideways: maybe
Zaldaan Sirnah: I wonder what life would be like if we didn't name each other
                     --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: (trying not to say whatever again)

Zaldaan Sirnah: How do animals know and experience each other internally?
milakel Resident: sniff :)
milakel Resident: maybe we also could back in the day
Zaldaan Sirnah: Certainly a dog has variations in its bark when it hears its family member or master arrive, distinguished from someone else.
Zaldaan Sirnah: Then the "name" of the owner might permeate through its entire "language" and expression
Zaldaan Sirnah: And perhaps this is little different from us, "Hey [Mila] is here." "Hey [Mila] I don't want that food"
Zaldaan Sirnah: With one grand potential exception: We assign what faithfully and trustingly are given to assign life-long names to our children.
Riddle Sideways: the naming, labeling, differenciating, sperating the Mila from the rest of the void
Riddle Sideways: the clan elder names this baby av Mila
milakel Resident: it simply makes it easier to communicate
Riddle Sideways: is know forever (or a goodly time) as Mila
milakel Resident: *giggles* oh my, Milas everywhere :)
Riddle Sideways: and locks that thing at that set
Riddle Sideways: Being puts forth a presentation and we lock it as Mila
Yakuzza Lethecus: mila superstar
milakel Resident: it seems to be inevitable for us to label things
Riddle Sideways: why?
milakel Resident: yaku :P
milakel Resident: riddle, i always find myself relating to or picturing things being discussed
milakel Resident: i mean, each word has a meaning
Riddle Sideways: yes, relate to the things, but why labels?
iwandertoo Resident: what does this mean, Riddle?
milakel Resident: when you relate it to something, it is labeling. you make a connection.
iwandertoo Resident: nods with, Mil
Riddle Sideways: sorry, if these words seem silly, but really am trying to understand
iwandertoo Resident: *Mila
milakel Resident: a certain image in your mind
Riddle Sideways: not sure the image or the thing has to be named
iwandertoo Resident: how would you communicate otherwise?
Riddle Sideways: the image exists or is projected withouot naming
milakel Resident: um... it may not be, but your attitude to it names it so to speak
milakel Resident: it's like when you know what something is, but can't recall the name for it
Riddle Sideways: iwonder poofed
milakel Resident: riddle, hmm...
Riddle Sideways: yes, many ppl wave hands and say whatzit when label forgotten
Riddle Sideways: whatsitsname will be back soon
Riddle Sideways: the thingie exists (or not) in your hand, but the name has been misplaced... hmmmm
milakel Resident: i wonder if there's a difference in labels as references to various entities and labels as our projected attitude?
Riddle Sideways: the power of naming or knowing a things name
milakel Resident: it seems that any label as a reference (e.g. book) already carries an attitude
Yakuzza Lethecus: finally :)
      seems Yaku comes to witness the sim maintainance :)
                     --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: the power the shaman has over a thing by knowing it's true name
milakel Resident: riddle :)
milakel Resident: evil people
milakel Resident: past shamans are the present politicians :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: not sure they know the true name of things
milakel Resident: they obscure it
milakel Resident: or hide it
Yakuzza Lethecus: will naming this here riddle´s tuesday morning maintenance give us power over it ? :)
milakel Resident: or misplace the meaning
Yakuzza Lethecus: rtmm
milakel Resident: how abotu we go to kira cafe?
milakel Resident: if you'd like to continue
milakel Resident: 3 min
Riddle Sideways: need to do lots of getting ready to leave for travels in RL
milakel Resident: our world will cease to exist :)
Riddle Sideways: but we have the logs
milakel Resident: oh, exciting, riddle!
milakel Resident: where do you go?
Riddle Sideways: just to Bodaga bay
milakel Resident: but log doesn't have us or does it? :)
Riddle Sideways: north of SF
Yakuzza Lethecus: nice
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also on vacation from thursday
Riddle Sideways: Mila, am not sure of that
Yakuzza Lethecus: but to scandinavia at first
Riddle Sideways: ah nice
Riddle Sideways: *ah nice, labeled av
Riddle Sideways: :)
milakel Resident: be alert over there, yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i don´t think so
milakel Resident: 1 min
milakel Resident: thank you all
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Riddle Sideways: yes, thank you all
milakel Resident: it's been a pleasure serving with you
Yakuzza Lethecus: see you when the world returns
milakel Resident: to be continued...
Riddle Sideways: or whenever
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Riddle Sideways: whatever
Yakuzza Lethecus: wave´s