2011.09.01 13:00 - The Spell of the Sensuous

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray, subbing for Lia Rikugun.

Dash Earthboy: hey Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Dash, Korel, Fc!
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bruce
FcSeeker Resident: Bruce
FcSeeker Resident: Hello san
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Santo.
Dash Earthboy: hey San
Santoshima Resident: hello Fc, bruce, korel, dash !
Dash Earthboy: hey Susan
Santoshima Resident: greetings susan
iwandertoo Resident: smiles at everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Susan.
FcSeeker Resident: hi Susan
Bruce Mowbray smiles at everyone, too.
Dash Earthboy: *looks at battery meter
Bruce Mowbray: Need a recharge, Dash?
--BELL--
iwandertoo Resident: there is a written note across from me, 'smiling is my favorite' with a smiley. makes me smile
Dash Earthboy: soon, yes
Dash Earthboy: missed last night's session due to invite out on the town by grad student here from Italy
Dash Earthboy: good times
Dash Earthboy: hey Qt
Bruce Mowbray: Sounds great, Dash.
FcSeeker Resident: hi Qt
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Qt.
Qt Core: Hi all
Dash Earthboy: met lots of new people, not many tho here at the hostel proper
Santoshima Resident: hi Qt
Bruce Mowbray: The "hostel"?
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Dash Earthboy: in Boulder Bruce
Dash Earthboy: where it's currently 99F in my room
Dash Earthboy: no a/c
Bruce Mowbray: oh cool. I always stay in hostels when I travel -- like I'll be in one in Chicago at the end of this month.
Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear -- no a/c. . . a sauna.
Dash Earthboy: hey Arch & Zon
FcSeeker Resident: hi Arch Zon
Bruce Mowbray: Hey Arch. Hey Zon.
Dash Earthboy: didn't get below 85F in the room last night
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings to Qt, Korel, Bruce, Santoshima, Fc, Dash, Zon
Santoshima Resident: hi arch, zon
Archmage Atlantis: My friend of 17 years passed away in my arms at 2 AM, this morning.......we took care of the arrangements this afternoon...
FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
Bruce Mowbray: Oh Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: Nimbus was a good cat
Dash Earthboy: sorry about Nimbus there Arch
Santoshima Resident: i'm sorry for your loss, arch
Bruce Mowbray: Gosh.
Archmage Atlantis: There is a time for all things under this sun
Archmage Atlantis: An it was time
FcSeeker Resident: ...still cannot help tears to rise to my eyes...
Bruce Mowbray: Nimbus could not have chosen a better care-taker.
Archmage Atlantis: Thank you for your kindness Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: It is sincere. . .
Archmage Atlantis: And Fc, try not to flood NJ :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Santoshima Resident: 17 years is a very mature cat; Nimbus had a long life with a precious friend
Archmage Atlantis: The Passaic did that already
Archmage Atlantis: Now, distract us with a topic
Dash Earthboy: connection keeps dropping much of what I type
Bruce Mowbray: I have been thinking all day about "animism" -- and shamans. . .
Archmage Atlantis: Dash, are you on a PC, or a phone?
Bruce Mowbray: trying to "hear" the objects in my house speak to me.
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: My immediate thought is that to try is not what works......to allow to be, is as things are.
Bruce Mowbray: yes, radical receptivity. I agree, Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: Omg, mumbo jumbo from my fingers
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Santoshima Resident: may i send a link for a video talk by David Abram?
iwandertoo Resident: lol
Bruce Mowbray: David Abram is one of my FAVORITE authors!
Bruce Mowbray: please send us the link!
Santoshima Resident: so i'l send, ok?
Santoshima Resident: there's a third on the same site ... on shamanism.
Santoshima Resident: here goes:
Santoshima Resident: flight from embodiment / david abram http://vimeo.com/14310916 an encounter the edge / david abram http://vimeo.com/14310585
Bruce Mowbray: MANY thanks, Santo!
Santoshima Resident: hope you enjoy
Santoshima Resident: he was speaking here last evening
Archmage Atlantis: 'Here' is a fluid concept....here at PaB?
Bruce Mowbray: wow! I am currently re-reading Abram's book "The Spell of the Sensuous."
Bruce Mowbray: what an amazing fellow.
Santoshima Resident: sorry, slow comprehension ... here in Vancouver
Archmage Atlantis: ty, San
Santoshima Resident: yw
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Spell-Sensuous-Perception-Language-More-Than-Human/dp/0679776397
Santoshima Resident: bye dash?
Santoshima Resident: ty bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Looks like Dash's battery just ran out (or his laptop's)
Bruce Mowbray: bye Dash.
Archmage Atlantis: Bruce, I like that Amazon Editorial review, tho I do have one level of disagreement
Bruce Mowbray: Hey Arch, could you recommend some "method" for invoking communication with non-human entities?
Bruce Mowbray: What is your disagreement, Arch?
Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
Archmage Atlantis: writing is not the problem
Bruce Mowbray: ok, please say more.
Archmage Atlantis: Our understanding of the use of writing is the barrier
Bruce Mowbray: in the book, Abram writes about language -- and writing in particular -- as being an artifact of physical responses to our experience.
Zon Kwan: helloo
Bruce Mowbray: so, an explicative, for example, might become a word -- eventually -- but originally it was a guttural response to pain, etc.
Archmage Atlantis: An artifact is a vestigial element.....writing is alive and changing
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Zon
Zon Kwan: what are you talking about
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, mila!
milakel Resident: hi :)
Santoshima Resident: hi zon, mila
FcSeeker Resident: hi mila
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Mila
milakel Resident: nice to see you all :)
Bruce Mowbray: We're talking about David Abram's thinking regarding sensuous experience and how that contributed to the development of language.
milakel Resident: susan on the phone again? :)
iwandertoo Resident: yes
Zon Kwan: ah..interesting
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Did you catch the URL link earlier - - for "The Spell of the Sensuous"?
Bruce Mowbray: I have that book lying right here beside me now.
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Spell-Sensuous-Perception-Language-More-Than-Human/dp/067977639
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: aren't words born originally by imitating sounds of sensuous perceptions ?
Archmage Atlantis: We all write to each other in this circle......does that mean we have lost the voices of this planet?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, to Zon. and probably yes to Arch - although not necessarily.
Bruce Mowbray: Darwin thought that we learned to sing before we learned to speak.
Archmage Atlantis: I also think that, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: by extending the natural physical (non-verbal) sounds of our bodies.
Zon Kwan: nods
Bruce Mowbray: yawning, sighing, groaning, etc.
Archmage Atlantis: dying
Bruce Mowbray: yes, that too.
Zon Kwan: word death could be describing the last out-breath
Zon Kwan: deathhhhhhhh
Bruce Mowbray: Great point, Zon.
Archmage Atlantis: At 2 AM, the individual I held in my arms left this reality......will he exist in another.... I do not know
Bruce Mowbray: Just like Yahweh imitates the breath -- in out in out. Yah-WEH.
Bruce Mowbray: Your love will enable his journey, Arch.
FcSeeker Resident takes a humble bow
FcSeeker Resident: namaste
Archmage Atlantis: Cannabis miraculous
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Fc
Santoshima Resident: bye Fc <3
Zon Kwan: i didn't know that bruce, is it in the book ?
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings......just that Fc.....Blessings
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's where I first saw it -- in Abram's book.
Zon Kwan: wow
Bruce Mowbray: I can find the exact reference if you want me to.
Zon Kwan: i must open the link
Archmage Atlantis: Born to be a librarian, frustrated by life
Bruce Mowbray: The primordial breathing -- pre-verbal -- pre-language -- already the breath imitates the "sound" of the name that may not be uttered: YAHWEH.
Qt Core: need to go, bye all
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt.
Santoshima Resident: bye Qt, good to see you
Bruce Mowbray: In a couple of minutes I'm going to be scooting along to the Cafe for the Ways of Knowing session -- We'll be discussing "Radical Acceptance' today.
Archmage Atlantis: Later Qt
Bruce Mowbray: You are all most welcome to join in.
Zon Kwan: i like that..i accept radically all there is in front of me
Santoshima Resident: where, bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: I will give you the LM. Santo.
Santoshima Resident: ty
Bruce Mowbray: yw!
Bruce Mowbray: Folks, I'm moving along to the Kira Cafe now. If anyone wishes an LM for that site, please let me know.
Zon Kwan: me 2
Santoshima Resident: bye bruce, zon
Zon Kwan: bye
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now. Thanks everyone.
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Archmage Atlantis: I'm going to go and see what transpires
Santoshima Resident: ditto
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Later ladies