2011.09.02 13:00 - civity, what´s life a new visitor

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    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi dash
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi dash
    Dash Earthboy: Yaku my friend, gtsy :)
    Dash Earthboy: so much has changed since this morning's session
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you got a job ? :)
    Dash Earthboy: no, not personal betterment
    Dash Earthboy: Apparently today was my day to get involved with the community to help other people. Maintenance has successfully turned off the baseboard heat for everybody in the bldg, fixed my shower, and generally cleaned the place up to acceptable standards.
    Dash Earthboy: And I just witnessed a UPS truck back into a lady's SUV while she was absent. Two others across the street also witnessed it. When she came to get her car she didn't look at that area until I came up and told her what had happened as the other two witnesses continued to watch. When she spoke to the UPS guy when he returned they apparently agreed not to do an incident report and she left with a small scratch and cracked paint on her bumper.
    Dash Earthboy: this morning my shower provided only scalding hot water
    Dash Earthboy: no cold water at all to blend with
    Dash Earthboy: the guy in the room that shared this bathroom gave up on this place and left early this morning since he couldn't sleep from the brutal heat of the rooms here
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if i had issues i was always missing the hot water, not the cold, but anyway is uncomfortable, how warm is it in denver ?
    Dash Earthboy: he said he thought he was going to have a heat stroke from it
    Dash Earthboy: summary: hottest August on record, yesterday hottest ever September day
    Dash Earthboy: i'm in Boulder by the way, at the International Hostel
    Dash Earthboy: when the guy next door woke me at 1 AM today, I had gone online to air his complaints and mine and others I've spoken with, filing complaints with city goverrnment and chamber of commerce
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey susan
    Dash Earthboy: susan :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves :)
    Dash Earthboy: at least your waves help cool us off Susan :)
    iwandertoo Resident: good to hear
    Dash Earthboy: so today we're finally starting to get a break from the heat in Colorado
    iwandertoo Resident: I'm always cold...and think to myself when freezing, 'its tropical' and imagine the warm sun....and I warm up just a bit
    Dash Earthboy: and the maintenance guy turned off all the running heaters in the building
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi arch
    --BELL--
    Dash Earthboy: so things have improved
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: things have a way of working out
    Dash Earthboy: thanks to my contacting city code enforcement and chamber of commerce :)
    Dash Earthboy: problems don't usually resolve themselves in my experience
    Archmage Atlantis: Talking in the silence....not a good sign
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i see it as a reminder, but sure ur right
    iwandertoo Resident: not sure how things get resolved...but they seem to in time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you arch ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: was nimbuz with you the whole 17 years or when did you recieve him ?
    Archmage Atlantis: If I could be a real snow leopard, I would leap out to protect those whom I love
    Dash Earthboy: <3
    Archmage Atlantis: He came to me as a kitten
    Archmage Atlantis: Ty fo acknowleging Dash
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend satia
    Dash Earthboy: hey satia
    Archmage Atlantis: In the mists of being there is the great I am
    Archmage Atlantis: today I was told conform, or leave.....so I left
    Dash Earthboy: <3 Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Then they chased me
    Archmage Atlantis: Liability issues I suppose
    Dash Earthboy: it can be a challenge
    Archmage Atlantis: I lost my companion of 17 years
    Archmage Atlantis: And all the system can see
    Archmage Atlantis: Is
    Archmage Atlantis: how to break me down
    Archmage Atlantis: and I will not break\
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my mother got a little jack russel terrier and ever since she´s living alone it´s her only companion as well, it´s kind of her child
    Archmage Atlantis: It echoes all over the world
    Dash Earthboy: as Jewel sings in "Hands": "We are never broken..."
    Dash Earthboy: it needs to echo
    Dash Earthboy: so the system saw your weakened state and chose to strike then to try to get you to bend to their desires
    Archmage Atlantis: As the phoenix is reborn, so am I
    Dash Earthboy: good :)
    Dash Earthboy: i've been an active victim advocate today :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Chester is here
    Dash Earthboy: hugs Chester
    Archmage Atlantis: How do animals know?
    Dash Earthboy: they don't need words
    Dash Earthboy: they reason more symbolically
    Dash Earthboy: and more attuned to the present
    Dash Earthboy: without considering future
    Dash Earthboy: or much past
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: thru many dangers, toils and snares, I have already come
    Dash Earthboy: twas grace that brought you safe thus far
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste, Dash
    Dash Earthboy: _/\_
    Dash Earthboy: one should never make short work of grieving
    Dash Earthboy: take it from one who's always told "Get over it"
    Archmage Atlantis: I accept alll you say,
    Archmage Atlantis: But I do not accept shoud\
    Archmage Atlantis: what is...is
    Dash Earthboy: what is...can be changed
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Dash Earthboy: what is lasts a moment
    Dash Earthboy: or more
    Dash Earthboy: depending on attachment
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zon
    Dash Earthboy: hey zon
    Zon Kwan: heya
    Archmage Atlantis: funny\
    Dash Earthboy: *thinks of his grocery trip soon
    Archmage Atlantis: that attachmrnt thingie
    Dash Earthboy: what is groceries now will soon return to the earth
    Dash Earthboy: and some of them SHOULD be cooked to be safe to eat :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Evolution
    Dash Earthboy: always and never
    Archmage Atlantis: it is real
    Dash Earthboy: zon?
    Archmage Atlantis: After alol, how can one explain Arnie as governer
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well a kennedy wife
    Dash Earthboy: so the woman behind the man?
    Dash Earthboy: speak up ladies! :)
    Dash Earthboy: hey mila
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mila
    iwandertoo Resident: waves...best to everyone
    Dash Earthboy: bye Susan
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye susan
    Dash Earthboy: and then there were four
    Dash Earthboy: hey Sam
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening sam
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey jan
    milakel Resident: hi :)
    milakel Resident: yaku boy and dash boy :)
    milakel Resident: ah!
    Jan Qualia: hi
    milakel Resident: also archy ans amy :)
    milakel Resident: and jan :)
    Dash Earthboy: hey Jan
    milakel Resident: and made one full revolution
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi all ::waves::
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't get a boy? Mila?
    --BELL--
    Dash Earthboy: don't forget John boy :)
    Wol Euler: evening all
    Dash Earthboy: hey Wol & Korel
    Jan Qualia: Hi Wol, Korel
    Dash Earthboy: we're quietly abiding the pause :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Namste
    Archmage Atlantis: ok, we f---d that pause
    Archmage Atlantis: sorry
    oO0Oo Resident: maybe that will give rise to baby pauses
    Wol Euler is contrite.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi wol and korel
    oO0Oo Resident: pregnant pause
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Korel Laloix: Bozho
    Dash Earthboy: osiyo B
    Jan Qualia: 9 months pause?
    Archmage Atlantis: Buckaroo Bonzai
    milakel Resident: 9 months and then something pops out
    milakel Resident: woly :)
    Dash Earthboy: SL pauses breed like rabbits :)
    milakel Resident: hi
    milakel Resident: korel girl
    milakel Resident: dash :)
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    milakel Resident: missed ya, korel
    Archmage Atlantis: ok, we all have rl biology
    Archmage Atlantis: not a problem
    Archmage Atlantis: just a challenge
    Wol Euler nods.
    milakel Resident: yea
    Korel Laloix: Back in class so lots les time for SL.
    milakel Resident: right
    Jan Qualia: yes
    milakel Resident: wel, i hope you enjoy it :)
    Korel Laloix: Good so far.
    Jan Qualia: SL grounded
    milakel Resident: korel, if you feel like practicing your talk, please, come here and read us a lecture on statistics or whatnot. i'd be most happy to hear it :)
    Jan Qualia: yes
    milakel Resident: well, not here. kira cafe :)
    milakel Resident: we don't want to disgrace the fishes in the pond
    Jan Qualia: how many are there?
    Archmage Atlantis: koi
    milakel Resident: a lot
    Korel Laloix: I don't want to bore eveyrone to death.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you wouldn´t :)
    Korel Laloix: And besides, more about methods this semester anyway.
    Jan Qualia: we're used to it :)
    milakel Resident: korel, i'm serious. think about it.
    Jan Qualia: (I'm used t it)
    milakel Resident: there are a lot of geeks in pab
    Yakuzza Lethecus: can´t guarantee i wouldn´t fall asleep tho , can´t guarantee that anyway even without lecture :)
    oO0Oo Resident likes the idea of hearing a bit of Korel's lecture over her voice channel
    milakel Resident: :)
    Korel Laloix: WEll, the seminar today was about how our personal biases effect out reserach perspectives.
    Korel Laloix: So that was good.
    Jan Qualia: we love standard deviations
    milakel Resident: ah, good one
    Jan Qualia: or unstandard ones even better
    Jan Qualia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Zen
    Wol Euler nods.
    milakel Resident: korel, so how does yours affect it?
    Wol Euler looks around for zen
    Jan Qualia: you gave me away Sam
    Jan Qualia: and I was incognito :)
    oO0Oo Resident: could add our deviance to the render cost box display
    Korel Laloix: And the other class we talked about the differences of how western and Asian science look at medicine.
    Wol Euler: we can edit that out of the transcript
    Archmage Atlantis: that was a cheap shoot, it's taken decades to elevate geeks
    oO0Oo Resident: oh! sorry meant to say that to Jan! Where are you Zen?
    Jan Qualia: too late
    milakel Resident: korel, ah... body mechanics vs body energy?
    oO0Oo Resident: [NOTE - Guardian please tidy up my brain trip there with Jan]
    milakel Resident: sam, i missed your trip :)
    Jan Qualia: likes being deviant
    Archmage Atlantis: Whenever you trust in the plan,,,,,, we stand in the water,,,,everything is possible
    Korel Laloix: Well, they take it more seriously as well.
    Jan Qualia: it doesn't matter Sam
    Jan Qualia: wqs only oking
    Korel Laloix: But the relatively cheap cost of medical research in CHina is shifting things.
    milakel Resident: "more seriously" is not exactly a characteristic
    Dash Earthboy: why so cheap in China?
    Archmage Atlantis: What part of infinite do you not understand
    oO0Oo Resident listens to Korel
    Korel Laloix: No lawyers.
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Jan Qualia: Wetern is more science based?
    Korel Laloix: Well, that is part of it.
    oO0Oo Resident: and the infinite
    Korel Laloix: There are some that say that Asian medicine takes a more whole of person look at halth.
    Jan Qualia: nearly all medicine used to be based on plants
    Korel Laloix: And in the US we takea legal look at it.
    Korel Laloix: But there are many ways to view the issues.
    milakel Resident: hmm
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    --BELL--
    milakel Resident: *recalls that case with a young girl who had a brain injury and basically was dead, but on support for years*
    milakel Resident: years long legal fight for her right to die
    milakel Resident: i wonder what view's on that on the east
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you mean the shivo case ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: *schiavo
    milakel Resident: um, no... i forgot her name. back in the 60s, i think.
    milakel Resident: oh, that one was big too
    milakel Resident: what do you think? do we have the right to end our own life?
    Dash Earthboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
    milakel Resident: thanks, dash. was looking at it.
    Dash Earthboy: legally in a hospice
    Dash Earthboy: i witnessed someone's choosing to end her own life in 2009
    Wol Euler listens.
    Dash Earthboy: lag is mixing up the sentences
    milakel Resident: it's ok
    milakel Resident: was she in pain?
    Jan Qualia: was still looking up TCM and you have moved on :(
    milakel Resident: jan :)
    milakel Resident: never too late
    Dash Earthboy: i'm also familiar with Karen Ann Quinlan case
    milakel Resident: it's right on topic, btw
    oO0Oo Resident: TCM=Traditional Chinese Medicine
    oO0Oo Resident: ah... nice grass... thanks Yaku
    Jan Qualia: "Today, TCM is practised in over 160 countries. In the UK alone, as many as 2,000 clinics can be found offering a wide range of treatments especially those for chronic conditions, such as eczema and psoriasis, for which western medicine has yet to provide long-term solutions. 7 Medicinal plants Figure 7.15 A Chinese apothecary preparing traditional Chinese medicines.
    milakel Resident: cause there is a slew of cases where tcm cures otherwise terminally ill patients
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    milakel Resident: auf yaku san
    oO0Oo Resident: Wiedersehen... thanks yaku
    Jan Qualia: nite Yaku
    milakel Resident: grass :)
    milakel Resident: thank you stranger :)
    Jan Qualia: Hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Korel Laloix: There are also cases where TCM created terminaly ill conditions.
    Wol Euler: bye yaku, hello bleu
    milakel Resident: bleu girl :)
    oO0Oo Resident: really Korel?
    Dash Earthboy: 'nite Yaku
    milakel Resident: korel, yep
    Dash Earthboy: hey bleu
    Korel Laloix: TO take the whole field as good probably not a good way to go.
    Korel Laloix: But research of what is there is ongoing.
    milakel Resident: korel, one can argue that it was due to improper application of tcm
    Jan Qualia: "Unofficial substitute herbs are also traditionally used in China if the official species are in short supply, or if there is local clinical preference for using another species. In China, such variations are the norm, and local, often highly trained, TCM doctors will prescribe accordingly. But this knowledge of herbal substitution and the complex plant naming system is difficult to transmit to foreign cultures and, given the absence of an international standardised TCM plant naming system, confusion over the identity of TCM ingredients will inevitably arise."
    milakel Resident: well, my faith lies within western medicine. at least so far. here are your biases, korel :)
    Dash Earthboy: mila: *where?
    milakel Resident: where what? biases?
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    milakel Resident: upbringing in the western culture
    Korel Laloix: I dont trust our system in alot of ways, and I have reservations about TCM for the same reason.
    Korel Laloix: ANd other medical traditions as well.
    milakel Resident: i tend to trust pills more than needles :)
    Jan Qualia: "The persistent use of counterfeit herbs for certain species typically occurs when there are supply problems with the genuine article, perhaps due to over-harvesting of wild populations. One example is the heartwood of the tropical eaglewood tree Aquilaria sinensis ‘Chen Xiang’, used in TCM for stomach complaints. It is now so scarce in the wild in southern China that counterfeits made from black-painted wood of unknown origin are found in street markets and clinics; the black paint is an attempt to mimic the black resin-filled wood so typical of genuine Chen Xiang."
    Korel Laloix: Or maybe I should say health or wellbing or being traditons.
    Dash Earthboy: lots of room for discussion on that
    --BELL--
    Dash Earthboy: i'll look forward to reading the log :)
    milakel Resident: *flies over to bleu*
    Dash Earthboy: pax et bonum y'all
    Bleu Oleander: :) Mila
    Wol Euler: bye!
    Wol Euler: take care
    milakel Resident: :)
    Jan Qualia: bye Dash
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    milakel Resident: pax well, dash
    milakel Resident: *looks at woly's paws* sadly, furries can't wear heels :)
    Wol Euler: sad but true
    Bleu Oleander: hey, are you all working on your Art of Being chairs/poems?
    milakel Resident: *hides*
    Wol Euler sighs and averts her gaze.
    Jan Qualia: those quotes are from a book called 'Why people need plants published by Royal Botanical Society at Kew
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    oO0Oo Resident: Thanks jan
    milakel Resident: wait, poems too?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    milakel Resident: or you refer to aph?
    Bleu Oleander: either written by you or someone else's
    milakel Resident: those that aph collecting?
    Bleu Oleander: no this is for Art of Being
    milakel Resident: ok
    Bleu Oleander: different
    milakel Resident: hmm
    milakel Resident: missed that
    oO0Oo Resident: Bleu what was meant by "Solomon's judgement" in reference to the ART AS BEING mailings?
    Bleu Oleander: hmmm I didn't write that
    Bleu Oleander: I think Pema did
    oO0Oo Resident: But you responded as if understanding... thought you might know
    Jan Qualia: yeh I didn't get that either
    milakel Resident: meaning that everyone is equally content with the outcome :)
    Bleu Oleander: I understood it in terms of Art of Being
    Jan Qualia: didn't seem like the two women with the baby
    Jan Qualia: maybe the knot problem
    Jan Qualia: ah
    Bleu Oleander: where Storm came up with a good solution to Friends of PaB contributing to Art of Being
    oO0Oo Resident: yes.. I took it to be connected to Art as Being, which is why I asked you
    milakel Resident: in regards to participation in the project
    Jan Qualia: didn't Solomon just cut through a huge knot with his sword when challenged to unty it?
    Bleu Oleander: I understand it as a comment about that solution to let others participate
    Wol Euler: brb, have to administer a hug :)
    milakel Resident: *nods to bleu*
    oO0Oo Resident: I see.. thanks Bleu
    milakel Resident: hehe
    Bleu Oleander: yw 0 :)
    milakel Resident: *administers a poke to bleu* :)
    Bleu Oleander: ouch :)
    milakel Resident: :P
    Bleu Oleander: :P
    oO0Oo Resident: Remembering Arch's cat Nimbus died. Hope Arch is doing OK.
    milakel Resident: that was a gentle one :)
    Bleu Oleander: hehe :)
    milakel Resident: oh, really?
    milakel Resident: that's bad
    milakel Resident: how old was he?
    milakel Resident: hi Anno
    milakel Resident: f zero?
    oO0Oo Resident: 17 years old
    milakel Resident: oh my
    milakel Resident: that's a big loss
    Anno Nymus: HI ANY BODY HERE
    milakel Resident: Anno, how many do you see?
    Anno Nymus: HI MILA
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi FO
    Anno Nymus: HI SAMUO
    milakel Resident: um, i think your caps lock is stuck :)
    Bleu Oleander: RL call ... bye for now :)
    milakel Resident: poof
    Anno Nymus: sorry
    milakel Resident: what brings you here, Anno?
    milakel Resident: boredom, curiosity, women?
    Anno Nymus: Because I love India
    Jan Qualia: Hi Fo, Satia
    milakel Resident: ah, ok
    Anno Nymus: hi jan sister
    milakel Resident: a bit odd explanation, but i'll take it
    Jan Qualia: this isn't India though
    Korel Laloix: I dated a girl from Pune for a while.
    Anno Nymus: im fo from japan
    milakel Resident: korel, was she hot?
    milakel Resident: Anno, konnichiwa then
    Korel Laloix: Very, but more for her brain than her looks though.... but she was stl very atractive.
    Anno Nymus: 'I can not speak English
    Anno Nymus: just little words
    Korel Laloix: Half Asian INdian have British.
    Korel Laloix: half
    milakel Resident: korel, brain is imperative... somewhat :)
    milakel Resident: there are exceptions
    Jan Qualia: brains are nice
    Korel Laloix: One of the smartest human being I have ever met really.
    milakel Resident: oh
    milakel Resident: cool
    milakel Resident: why did you part?
    Anno Nymus: this place for womens rights?
    milakel Resident: Anno, why do you think so?
    --BELL--
    Anno Nymus: idnt know mabe
    milakel Resident: mens rights are equally violated here too :)
    Anno Nymus: hi sisters
    milakel Resident: Anno, what do you like about india?
    milakel Resident: woly girl :)
    milakel Resident: how did it go?
    Wol Euler: very sweet
    Wol Euler smiles.
    milakel Resident: oh, and meet Anno
    milakel Resident: he's... from japan and loves india
    Wol Euler: hello r0, pleased to meet you
    Wol Euler wonders whether anyone has given r0 the formal introduction
    milakel Resident: um, not yet
    milakel Resident: he's not very talkative
    Wol Euler: I guess "not yet" means "no"
    milakel Resident: correct :)
    milakel Resident: waiting for the right moment
    Wol Euler snorts.
    Jan Qualia: we aren't in guardian guise
    Jan Qualia: (excuse)
    milakel Resident: guardian tunica :)
    milakel Resident: there should be one
    milakel Resident: amen :)
    Anno Nymus: amen for what?
    milakel Resident: case solved
    Anno Nymus: ok
    milakel Resident: we record chat here and post on the web
    milakel Resident: so if you're ok with it, say so
    Jan Qualia: yeh it goes on a Wiki
    Wol Euler whispers: notecard?
    Anno Nymus: Sorry for the inconvenience
    Jan Qualia: haven't got one as Jan :(
    milakel Resident: Anno, what did you think "amen" was for?
    Wol Euler: not inconvenient :)
    Wol Euler: it's something we do, except when nobody can bother to do it
    Anno Nymus: I will go now
    milakel Resident: *now thinks who's jan's alt* :)
    Wol Euler: that notecard tells the basics about us, Anno
    Jan Qualia: TY Wol
    Anno Nymus: Bye
    Wol Euler: including the URL of our website, http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    Jan Qualia: you mean you don't know Mila?
    milakel Resident: nope
    milakel Resident: cna't recall
    Jan Qualia: he he
    Jan Qualia: not going to tell you :)
    milakel Resident: you look a bit like xir, but she doesn't have an alt :)
    Jan Qualia: nope
    milakel Resident: *thinks: berty...*
    Jan Qualia: not even close
    Wol Euler laughs.
    milakel Resident: oh well
    milakel Resident: jan that is :)
    Jan Qualia: I always think it is so obvious too
    Wol Euler smiles.
    milakel Resident: is there a hint somewhere? :)
    Jan Qualia: I often go to Guardian's meetings likke this
    milakel Resident: the outfit you mean?
    Jan Qualia: I love the AO
    milakel Resident: heh
    Jan Qualia: yes
    Jan Qualia: so little girly
    milakel Resident: nope. blank here.
    milakel Resident: :)
    milakel Resident: i like korel's glasses though
    --BELL--
    Jan Qualia: well I am amale
    milakel Resident: *looks* jan, i beg to differ :)
    Jan Qualia: my other alt has long hair too
    Jan Qualia: only he is an old guy :)
    milakel Resident: eh, puzzles :)
    Jan Qualia: he is into Buddhism
    milakel Resident: heh, not a distinctive mark here :)
    Jan Qualia: :)
    Wol Euler: my dears, I have to go before I fall off my chair.
    Wol Euler: goodnight, enjoy hte weekend
    Jan Qualia: ok nite Wol
    milakel Resident: auf, fall well :)
    Jan Qualia: take care
    Jan Qualia: I'm Zen Mila
    milakel Resident: ahhhh
    milakel Resident: zen boy :)
    milakel Resident: hi :)
    Jan Qualia: :)
    Jan Qualia: I better go too
    milakel Resident: yea, me too
    Jan Qualia: nite
    milakel Resident: nice hand waving there :)
    milakel Resident: aha!
    milakel Resident: you're up :)
    Korel Laloix: AT work, so in and out.
    milakel Resident: i must have disturbed you while moving around :)
    milakel Resident: anyhow, bye for now :)
    Korel Laloix: NOt, I just got back to my desk.
    Korel Laloix: Take care.

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