2011.09.23 13:00 - what´s not social work ?

2011.09.23 13:00 - Title goes here

The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.


Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Yaku!
 Bruce Mowbray: Did you have a voice session today?
 Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, just before
 SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza, Hi Bruce :)
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Sharon.
 Yakuzza Lethecus: eliza came
 Yakuzza Lethecus: hey seeker hey sharon
 SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Fc
 Bruce Mowbray: Hwey, Fc!
 FcSeeker Resident: so sory
 FcSeeker Resident: Hello Yakuzza, SSL and Bruce
 Bruce Mowbray: Have any of you visited the Dome recently?
 Bruce Mowbray: There are six or seven very comfortable chairs over there...
 SophiaSharon Larnia: I haven't, I intend to later today
 SophiaSharon Larnia: oh? great!
 Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
 SophiaSharon Larnia: as usual Im having touble with the poem, I really admire people that can write what they are thinking
 Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it is for balancing.
 Yakuzza Lethecus: hey susan
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Susan!
 FcSeeker Resident: hi Susan
 FcSeeker Resident: I'de like to ask a topic
 SophiaSharon Larnia: listens
 Bruce Mowbray listens.
 Yakuzza Lethecus: pls, go ahead
 Yakuzza Lethecus: he aph
 FcSeeker Resident: as my friends words stayed into my mind when he spoke a bit of social work
 Aphrodite Macbain: Hoowdy
 FcSeeker Resident: and I have been thinking a lot that again
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Aph --
 FcSeeker Resident: Hi Aph
 Aphrodite Macbain: y'all
 SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Aphrodite :)
 Aphrodite Macbain: Fc, Bruce, Susan.Yaku,SSL
 FcSeeker Resident: meaning how people think of different kind of works...
 Bruce Mowbray: What did your friend mean by "social work," Fc?
 FcSeeker Resident: he the most propably meant that so called official social work, but those words still stayed to circle in my mind
 FcSeeker Resident: just thinking different kind of works and how they are also payed different and so...
 Bruce Mowbray continues to listen.
 SophiaSharon Larnia: monetarily?
 FcSeeker Resident: does that mean the amount of the salary/incomes/payment ?
 SophiaSharon Larnia: yes sorry
 FcSeeker Resident: Hi Wol
 Wol Euler: hello everyone, happy friday
 Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening wol
 Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Wol
 SophiaSharon Larnia: hi
 SophiaSharon Larnia: Wol*
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
 SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
 SophiaSharon Larnia: imho, social workers do some of the most important work for others and are paid a ridiculously low amount in the us. It's shameful
 Wol Euler: agreed
 Bruce Mowbray: Is that what you meant by "social work," Fc?
 FcSeeker Resident: as I myself have earned much only for having quality time with people to whom' I've then sold something...but also have done very hard physical work and got only little money from that
 --BELL--
FcSeeker Resident: well,,,as my mind started to ask generally speaking that is there any such work which is not social work somehow...
 Miguel2000 Resident: hello
 Bruce Mowbray: wonderful point, Fc. . . "Is there any involvement with other people that is not a form of social work...?"
 SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Shu
 FcSeeker Resident: like I was a salesman of different kind of things...yet I felt to do the deep social work and that I got the payment 'in the end' for that...not for that I sold something to somebody
 Wol Euler: hello shu, nice to see you again
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Shu!
 FcSeeker Resident: that's what I meant
 Aphrodite Macbain: Hi
 FcSeeker Resident: as I sure didn't sell something to all of them people with whom I spent time much (door to door selling)
 FcSeeker Resident: yet...
 FcSeeker Resident: but that's only one example
 FcSeeker Resident: thought truly that all work itself is also social work...but is it so
 FcSeeker Resident: is there something that somebody would do only for own benefit...
 FcSeeker Resident: for as work I mean...
 SophiaSharon Larnia: in a way, Fc. I guess you could define the term with boundaries, or see it more globally
 SophiaSharon Larnia: volunteerism is usally done for its own benefit
 FcSeeker Resident: that is such doing which I also have been thinking a lot my whole life...that how right such is...
 FcSeeker Resident: specially these late years that it's turned to be more forced than truly volounteered...and people are used when they are ashame to say 'no' even if they wouldn't like to...
 FcSeeker Resident: I surely dont take that to be bad thing
 FcSeeker Resident: just having the saying in my mind that 'man has earned payment from his work'
 Wol Euler nods.
 SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont want to define it for anyone else, butwhen i volunteer i dont expect anything back (although ive gotten more than I given, it seems). It is easy to get recruited endlessly :)
 Aphrodite Macbain grins at SSL
 FcSeeker Resident: that the question basicly is this "Is there any involvement with other people that is not a form of social work...?"
 SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
 FcSeeker Resident: I agree with you SSL completely; meant to point out that how people are in a way forced to such these days
 SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
 Wol Euler: hello zen
 SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
 Zen Arado: hi all
 Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
 FcSeeker Resident: but can one build a house for oneself doing it as the work ?
 FcSeeker Resident: hi Zen
 SophiaSharon Larnia: well, to me, the 2 words separately, say 'no'.
 FcSeeker Resident: getting payment from that
 Wol Euler: brb, need to administer a hug :)
 Wol Euler: which is surely social work :)
 FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
 SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
 Yakuzza Lethecus: yes :)
 FcSeeker Resident: laughs
 Bruce Mowbray loves huggy social workers.
 FcSeeker Resident: I feel the same with you of such work Susan...
 FcSeeker Resident: but quite a lot of people do get good living with such
 --BELL--
FcSeeker Resident: (wishes that to whom they work does the work whick is social also)
 FcSeeker Resident: yes
 FcSeeker Resident: to me 'social' is to help other people also; sure good when can help oneself by it also
 Aphrodite Macbain: I do a form of social work to- community building through the arts.
 FcSeeker Resident: dont think so
 FcSeeker Resident: when we forget ourself too much for others, we cannot help them as well than when we can be well ourself
 Aphrodite Macbain: Organizing events that engage peo[ple in making a mural, a play a dance performance, a festival
 SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
 SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, Fc
 Aphrodite Macbain nods at Fc. That's true
 FcSeeker Resident: wb Wol
 SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Wol
 Zen Arado: wb Wol
 Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
 Zen Arado: Hi Aph
 Wol Euler: ah :) you are here :))))
 Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.
 Aphrodite Macbain: wb susan
 Zen Arado: Hi Bruce
 Wol Euler: I thought you were on the text viewer again, and was pushing you into the listener#s hearing range
 iwandertoo Resident: I am, wol. if I am offered a tp I can get closer without the push
 iwandertoo Resident: riddle figured it out one morning
 Aphrodite Macbain: when do we get to do onigokko?
 Wol Euler: fair enough :)
 Yakuzza Lethecus: ur supposed to just type it without announcing aph :)
 SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
 Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
 SophiaSharon Larnia: bah i was too late
 SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
 Aphrodite Macbain: magic! what power!
 Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
 Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
 SophiaSharon Larnia: i knows right
 Aphrodite Macbain: stop
 SophiaSharon Larnia: Fc no Onigokko?
 Yakuzza Lethecus: bruce :)
 Aphrodite Macbain: yayyy. Now I can go.
 SophiaSharon Larnia: Bruce stop!!
 Bruce Mowbray: oh dear -- I'm wearing one to many oni's.
 Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce, settle down!
 FcSeeker Resident: all dances brakes my body
 SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
 Zen Arado: turn Bruce off :)
 Wol Euler: doesn#t work for tinies
 SophiaSharon Larnia: ohhh
 Bruce Mowbray: Bye Aph!
 Aphrodite Macbain pants
 SophiaSharon Larnia: if i knew that I forgot
 Yakuzza Lethecus: cya soon aph
 Aphrodite Macbain: brb - laundry
 Zen Arado: bye Aph
 Wol Euler: is it just me, or is bruce frozen in mid-air?
 FcSeeker Resident: bye Aph
 SophiaSharon Larnia: he's looks frozen to me too
 Wol Euler: bye aph, take care
 Aphrodite Macbain: he looks like hitler
 Bruce Mowbray: YIKES! Death by oni.
 Wol Euler: hehehe
 Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
 Zen Arado: crucifixion pose
 SophiaSharon Larnia: uh oh
 FcSeeker Resident: looooool
 Aphrodite Macbain: now he IS dead
 Aphrodite Macbain: gone 4 good
 Zen Arado: swallowed by the ground
 Wol Euler: heheh
 FcSeeker Resident: maybe he'll be reborn
 Zen Arado: ah saw an arm
 FcSeeker Resident: wb Bruce
 Aphrodite Macbain: lazarus!
 Bruce Mowbray: whew.
 Aphrodite Macbain: SSL!!!
 Yakuzza Lethecus: ah!
 FcSeeker Resident: how was it in the grave ?
 Aphrodite Macbain: dont drown
 Yakuzza Lethecus: she´s going to drown in the water
 Yakuzza Lethecus: someone pull her back
 SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry i could help it
 SophiaSharon Larnia: couldnt
 SophiaSharon Larnia: that gesture kills me
 Bruce Mowbray: I love to have very brief but very significant encounters with strangers when I travel -- someone in a bus, someone sitting on the sidewalk begging, someone asking for directions. . . Perhaps these moments are also a form of social work.
 SophiaSharon Larnia: any human to human contact
 FcSeeker Resident: yes <3<3<3
 Zen Arado: maybe all talking to people is social work
 iwandertoo Resident: why so, bruce?
 Bruce Mowbray: Ram Dass used to say that the only thing we have to give is our own Being - - - and without that, everything else is empty boxes falling into the void.
 Yakuzza Lethecus: openness at least
 Zen Arado: maybe all generalizing
 Bruce Mowbray: Why what, Sue?
 iwandertoo Resident: the brief significant encounter
 iwandertoo Resident: what is the quality?
 Zen Arado: how can I overcome generalizing addiction?
 iwandertoo Resident: not the right word...
 Bruce Mowbray: Oh, I understand now. Well, those brief but intense moments seem to stick in my memory banks. . . for years.
 Zen Arado: or does everyone do it?
 iwandertoo Resident: let me rethink my question
 Zen Arado: happens to me too
 Bruce Mowbray: "overcome generalizing abot addiction" Zen?
 Zen Arado: I love talking to check out ladies
 Zen Arado: bus drivers
 Wol Euler nods.
 Wol Euler: people who don't expect to be noticed
 Wol Euler: I do that too
 FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
 Zen Arado: think we all shoud do that
 Zen Arado: everyone is a person
 SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
 Bruce Mowbray: Yes exactly! They a people who do not expect to be noticed--- and then you DO notice them. . . and it's like magic.
 Wol Euler: yep
 Zen Arado: and people are more helpful then
 FcSeeker Resident: indeed
 Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps we are more open in those brief intense moments because we know we will never see those people again
 Wol Euler: sssshhhhhhh, don't give away the secret :)
 Zen Arado: yes
 Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
 --BELL--
FcSeeker Resident: as well the people behind the desk in the bank office
 Bruce Mowbray: so we're safer, in a sense.
 Bruce Mowbray: sry.
 SophiaSharon Larnia: I know I am, Aph, good point
 Zen Arado: I remember hitch hiking arond Australia
 Zen Arado: speaking to people I knew I would never ever see again
 FcSeeker Resident: <3
 Bruce Mowbray: that's why I always stay in youth hostels, if possible. Meeting fascinating folks -- perhaps will never meet again.
 Bruce Mowbray: but keep them in my memory for decades.
 Wol Euler smiles.
 Zen Arado: ships in the night
 FcSeeker Resident: good night Zen
 Zen Arado: strangers in the night
 Wol Euler hums
 Zen Arado: do be dooby doo
 SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
 iwandertoo Resident: waves
 SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Susan
 Yakuzza Lethecus: bye susan
 Wol Euler: bye susan
 Bruce Mowbray waves at whomever is leaving.
 FcSeeker Resident: bye Susan
 Zen Arado: bye Susan
 Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
 Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! susan see you soon!
 Aphrodite Macbain: really see you! :-)
 SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes, the washington retreat is in just a few days!
 Bruce Mowbray: Will Susan be at the retreat too?
 SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops, 2
 SophiaSharon Larnia: how exiting for you all
 SophiaSharon Larnia: exciting*
 Bruce Mowbray: Bring back some cool stories for the rest of us . . . ooopss.. phone call.
 Aphrodite Macbain: yes, susan and Luci and maxine, and Storm and Riddle
 Wol Euler: I wish I could go...
 Wol Euler: but OTOH I am really looking forward to doing nothing this weekend
 Aphrodite Macbain: It will be raining most of the time but I'll bring appropriate clothing
 Bruce Mowbray: away from keyboard for a minutes...
 Wol Euler: ok
 Aphrodite Macbain: kk bruce
 Aphrodite Macbain: wish you could come too Wol
 Wol Euler smiles.
 Aphrodite Macbain: only 6 of us...
 Wol Euler: six is a good number
 Wol Euler: with more than that, you start having to spend non-zero amounts of time on coordination and planning
 SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
 Aphrodite Macbain: we'ere going to have to fight over beds. I need to sleep aloneor I'll wake people up with my chatter!
 Wol Euler: heheheheh
 FcSeeker Resident: laughs
 Aphrodite Macbain: They can put me in a cupboard
 Wol Euler envisions Aph sleeping upright
 FcSeeker Resident: or they shall not go to sleep at all :)
 Aphrodite Macbain: Luci will be there to encourage us to talk about our dreams. Everyone will already know mine
 Aphrodite Macbain: apparently I laugfh a lot
 Aphrodite Macbain: laugh
 SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
 Wol Euler: inyour sleep?
 Wol Euler: happy dreams
 Bruce Mowbray: Believe it of not, that phone call was a social worker conducting a survery!
 Aphrodite Macbain: a few nights ago I woke myself up laughing out loud
 Wol Euler: huh
 Bruce Mowbray: (back)
 SophiaSharon Larnia: bruce :)
 Aphrodite Macbain: what did they ask you?
 Zen Arado: wb Bruce
 FcSeeker Resident: wb
 Bruce Mowbray: She had lots of questions about heal issues and organ donation, etc.
 Bruce Mowbray: health*
 Aphrodite Macbain: Gotta go now and buy my train ticket. CU all later
 Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
 Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
 Yakuzza Lethecus: bye aph
 SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Aphrodite
 Wol Euler: bye aph, take care. have a great week
 FcSeeker Resident: bye Aph
 SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun
 Bruce Mowbray: but would now rather talk with Aph and others about dreams and the retreat.
 Bruce Mowbray: BYE Aph!
 Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks - I'll be here tomorrow. I dont go till Sunday
 SophiaSharon Larnia: Ive got to go as well, take care everyone :)
 Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ssl
 FcSeeker Resident: waves to SSL
 SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
 Bruce Mowbray: BYE Sharon!
 Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear, it's already the end of this hour. Where did all that time go??
 Bruce Mowbray: whew.
 --BELL--
Zen Arado: bye Sharon
 Bruce Mowbray: It would be good for me to get outside and go for a hike with the dog now. Thanks everyone. See you all later.
 Zen Arado: bye Bruce
 Yakuzza Lethecus: cya soon bruce
 Wol Euler: bye bruce, enujoy the day
 FcSeeker Resident: enjoy your day
 Zen Arado: guess I'll turn in too
 Zen Arado: bye all
 Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
 FcSeeker Resident: good night Zen
 Yakuzza Lethecus: and zen, and good night everyone, well i hoped to hear more about the social work issue but i didn´t get anything constructive to contribute in my head
 Yakuzza Lethecus: well good night everyone
 FcSeeker Resident: good night Yaku
 Wol Euler: goodnight!
 Wol Euler: well, dear fc, it#s just you and I
 FcSeeker Resident: <3
 --BELL--
Wol Euler: well, I am off too, dear FC
 Wol Euler: take care, enjoy the weekend
 FcSeeker Resident: thank you for your time my friend
 FcSeeker Resident: good night
 Wol Euler: my pleasure :) as always