The Guardian for this meeting was Santoshima [who ducked out early on to go to an alternate mtg].

The comments [ such as they are] are by Santoshima.

[ Alone at the pagoda ... talking to oneself is at times necessary ...]

Santoshima: Stardate: sept 12_1300 hours / link to report from Alisen Bechtel on reaching menopausal years: http://jezebel.com/5939716/alison-be...e?popular=true

Santoshima:  oops forgot the "d" in her name
Santoshima: that's
Santoshima: Alisen Bechdel
Santoshima: genius cartoonist ...

Santoshima: Wiki's assignment today is to report back, once viewed,
Santoshima: comment on aging —
Santoshima: hmmm ... and anything else that arises from the reading

Santoshima: HEY!
Santoshima: greetings Zen
Zen Arado: Hi San
Santoshima: was just talking to the wiki
Santoshima: kind of an imaginary friend
Zen Arado: everything ok?
Santoshima: sure, thanks
Santoshima: you?
Zen Arado: fine ty
Santoshima: gave a reading assignment & link for ms. Alisen Bechdel.
Santoshima: writing about menopause
Santoshima: and aging
Santoshima: what's new with you?
Zen Arado: to the pab qiki?
Santoshima: yes :)
Zen Arado: wiki
Zen Arado: menopause is more for women
Zen Arado: doesn't affect men so much
Santoshima: ah, so you think ... not what i have read and heard
Santoshima: changes are afoot
Santoshima: but sorry don't have immediate reference links
Zen Arado: we don't get hot flashes anyway:)
Santoshima: and my first hand experience is limited
Santoshima: oh?
Santoshima: maybe true
Santoshima: i don't know for sure
Santoshima: perhaps there will be comments from wiki readers
Zen Arado: I never noticed any anyway
Santoshima: hmm
Zen Arado: so far
Santoshima: :)
Zen Arado: menopause is around 50?
Santoshima: age varies
Santoshima: sounds about right for average

Zen Arado: starting to snow over there already
Zen Arado: early
Santoshima: that is my fault, i'm afriad
Zen Arado: oh?
Santoshima: there is a snow rezzer owned by storm
Santoshima: hovering over the playvilion
Santoshima: that i cannot resist checking when arriving here
Santoshima: it causes it to start with the snowfall
Zen Arado: I have never noticed it
Santoshima: i believe it's new
Santoshima: only noticed it yesterday
Zen Arado: and I thought Storm had to start it up
Santoshima: dunno ... it's snowing ... so he is apparently not neeed to start it up
Zen Arado: it isn't lying yet anyway :-)
Santoshima: lying?
Zen Arado: you don't say that?
Zen Arado: If it starts to build up on the ground
Santoshima: oOOOH
Santoshima: yes, that expression i know
Santoshima: just didn't connect it to the virtual "snow"

--BELL--

Zen Arado: English is a particular language
Zen Arado: what connection could there be between how you'd lie on a bed and telling lies?
Zen Arado: You didn't claim the session yet?
Zen Arado: Hi Bruce
Santoshima: hiya Bruce :)
Santoshima: claimed
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Zen and San.
Zen Arado: I usually just put the link you just got into a browser and then refresh the browser at the end
Santoshima: ok
Zen Arado: that way you don't have to wait for the link to be sent to your email
Santoshima: ah, will add that to my tech tip binder
Santoshima: very good
Zen Arado: and you can just copy and paste from the browser into the wiki
Santoshima: ok, easy
Zen Arado: and you can also copy the top line and put into the title slot so you don't have to type all that stuff in
Santoshima: okey doke
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Santoshima: hello Mighty [ aka alfred/ aka boxy ... ]
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy.
Alfred Kelberry: aha
Alfred Kelberry: here you are
Santoshima: who?
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Zen Arado: otherwise it's easy to make a mistake if you leave out a colon or something
Zen Arado: Hi Boxy
Santoshima: done that
Santoshima: {gad, i can't type!}
Zen Arado: don't worry none of us can :-)
Santoshima: what's new, Bruce? Boxy?
Bruce Mowbray identifies strong;y.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Mick!
Santoshima: greetings Mickorod
Mickorod Renard: hiya
Zen Arado: I bought a new voice typing program from a French site
Bruce Mowbray: Oh great, Zen.
Zen Arado: what a hassle that was
Alfred Kelberry: zen, which one?
Santoshima: wow
Zen Arado: Hi Mick
Bruce Mowbray: Does it work well for you?
Zen Arado: the Nuance site in France
Mickorod Renard: ahh Zen, that explains your french yesterday
Bruce Mowbray: Ohi!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Oui!
Zen Arado: no, I haven't trained it for the French yet
Bruce Mowbray: quel domage!
Zen Arado: my pronunciation isn't good enough yet
Bruce Mowbray: Quel fromage.
Zen Arado: but buying it from France was much cheaper and you get two languages
Bruce Mowbray: cheesy remark, eh?
Zen Arado: only trouble was understanding the French documentation for downloading it
Alfred Kelberry: zen, say something in french - let's see how it works :)
Santoshima: Zen: you speak, it types?
Zen Arado: yes exactly
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, ara!
arabella Ella: ah
Alfred Kelberry: ara girl
Santoshima: hello Arabella :)
Zen Arado: it won't let me use the French until I train it by pronouncing a long pass age
Zen Arado: and I don't think my French is good enough yet to do that
Zen Arado: Hi Ara
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, Dragon Naturally Speaking wants you to do that, alos.
Bruce Mowbray: also*
Alfred Kelberry: ara, did you sunbath today? :)
Mickorod Renard: hi Ara
Zen Arado: it's hard enough in English :-)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: I actually spoke to the French assistant guy in French
Zen Arado: I think he understood me
Bruce Mowbray: Tres bien!
Alfred Kelberry: zen, very impressive. you're making solid progress.
Mickorod Renard: i always spoke french with a strong derbyshire accent
Bruce Mowbray: indeed.
Zen Arado: you can speak French Mick
Zen Arado: I find it so difficult
Mickorod Renard: some yes, but most my french was in an occitan region
Bruce Mowbray: I can speak it, somewhat, but can't type it.
Zen Arado: it's understanding French people speaking that is the most difficult
Alfred Kelberry: zen, anything worthwhile is difficult
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I agree, Zen.
Zen Arado: when they run words into each other
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
Mickorod Renard: also it helps if you can hear
arabella Ella: Hiya
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Santoshima: hey
Mickorod Renard: Hi wb
Zen Arado: wb Ara
Alfred Kelberry: ara is back!
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, ara.
Mickorod Renard: Ara can speak dozens of languages
Bruce Mowbray: wow!
arabella Ella: nice to see you all here ttonight
Alfred Kelberry: mick, how is occitan region different?
Santoshima: and you Arabella :)
Zen Arado: she is smart though
arabella Ella: Aggers can speak more languages than i can
Mickorod Renard: Alf, you have to live their to know that one

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: mick, no short description? :)
Mickorod Renard: they speak with a very tat tat tat sort of way and pronounce words quite diferent
Santoshima: { needing to go to a meeting ~ bye everyone }

Zen Arado: byee San
Alfred Kelberry: mick, you say that your occitan french will not be understood in paris?
Mickorod Renard: bye sAN
arabella Ella: bye San
Alfred Kelberry: ara, do you still go to the beach, swimming and sunbathing?
Mickorod Renard: my normal french is ok in Paris and i can understand Parisiens,,but down in the langeudoc its different
Zen Arado: it sounds a bit like Catalan
Alfred Kelberry: do many of them speak english?
Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language
Zen Arado: Lenga d'Oc
Zen Arado: I didn't realise where that word came from
Zen Arado: I have just seen it on bottles of wine :-)
Mickorod Renard: languedoc
arabella Ella: oh yes of course alfie it is still very hot and summer here :)
arabella Ella: saturday i spent whole day on a boat with friends swimming and eating and boating and fishing
arabella Ella: we caught two fish fly fishing but we threw them back in the sea poor things
arabella Ella: and we also were fortunate to see some dolphins!
Mickorod Renard: D'oc for occitan
Mickorod Renard: wow
Zen Arado: vins D'Oc
Mickorod Renard: sure they wernt sharks?
arabella Ella: i dont think they were sharks
Alfred Kelberry: ara, fancy you. yachts, golf, and bar hopping all day :)
arabella Ella: also saw some parrot fish while snorkling
arabella Ella: and a bomb underwater - an empty shell though
Alfred Kelberry: this is awesome
arabella Ella: oh golf is not for me - not yet - maybe some time when i decide to calm down
Alfred Kelberry: i'd like to keep you company on a boat :)
Mickorod Renard: i do a lil golf
Alfred Kelberry: though i don't think i can swim
Alfred Kelberry: mick, already settled down? :)
arabella Ella smiles
Alfred Kelberry: i find golf boring
arabella Ella: you are welcome to keep me company on a boat any time alfie!
Alfred Kelberry: yay!!!
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, kind ara girl :)
arabella Ella: it was lovely as there was a bit of a swell and when i got to bed at night i could still feel the boat rocking up and down
arabella Ella: and i enjoy that strange sensation
Alfred Kelberry: oh, interesting
arabella Ella: we also swam in one of the local blue grottos - lovely flourescent water
arabella Ella: and warm too
Mickorod Renard: there are some fun golf courses here,,and they are an excuse for havinf a stroll outside
arabella Ella: still around 24 degrees
arabella Ella: sea temp
Mickorod Renard: that sounds nice Ara
Alfred Kelberry: this is a great trip, ara
Alfred Kelberry: i'd love to see some pictures
arabella Ella: add me on facebook alfie!
arabella Ella: and you can see some pix
Alfred Kelberry: bruce has a nice excuse to go for a walk - his dog :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
arabella Ella: dogs are great excuses for exercisee!
Alfred Kelberry: ara, no facebook here... sorry :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, we walked this morning.
Alfred Kelberry: ara, and impossible to decline :)
Mickorod Renard: I have a dog but he is likely to chase anyone and everyone around
arabella Ella: no facebook ... no pix ... sorry!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: I don't bother with Facebook much these days
Bruce Mowbray: me neither, ara.
Zen Arado: it takes up too much time reading all those posts
Alfred Kelberry: ara, this is how people get caught into facebook trap :)
arabella Ella: if i remember correctly both Zen and Mick are my friends on FB
Zen Arado: I took Wol's it up and just read the red flagged ones
Zen Arado: tip
arabella Ella: i only read through a few posts - one spends as much time or as little as one wants but it requires discipline
Alfred Kelberry: i prefer irc :)
Mickorod Renard: i an Ara, but like Zen, i find it hard to keep looking at the posts
arabella Ella: is that the old chat alfie?

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: ara, yes. been around for ages.
arabella Ella: i did not know it still exists
Alfred Kelberry: oh, very popular among programmers
arabella Ella: wow
arabella Ella: do you use irc mainly to discuss programming stuff?
arabella Ella: all in your own special programming language?
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Kori.
Alfred Kelberry: yes, other geek-related stuff too like photography, astronomy
Alfred Kelberry: kori girl!
arabella Ella smiles
Alfred Kelberry: kori is a smart and beautiful girl
Mickorod Renard: sounds good Alf
Alfred Kelberry: :)
arabella Ella: Hiya Kori
Mickorod Renard: Hi kori
Korel Laloix: Heya... smilmes
Zen Arado: Hi Kori
Alfred Kelberry: bruce is a very eloquent speaker
Korel Laloix: Heya
Bruce Mowbray: Go for it, Alf, but I don't think Kori is much . . . . ( virtual conscience takes over.....)
Bruce Mowbray: I was going to say, "Much into cardboard dogs...." -- BUT HOW RUDE of moi.
Korel Laloix: Much of what?
Korel Laloix: Sorry... lag
Bruce Mowbray: You are much of everything you choose to be, Kori.
Korel Laloix: That has been said before for sure.
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
arabella Ella: remember Brucie there is a real flesh and blood and emotional and sensitive person behind each and every pixellated image that cliams to have a voice
Bruce Mowbray: absolutely so, ara.
Bruce Mowbray: I could not agree more.
Bruce Mowbray: The emergence of ethical behavior is one of my major faswcinations with virtual reality, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: fascinations*
Zen Arado: I think my ethics are the same in second life as in real life
Zen Arado: why would they change?
Bruce Mowbray: I tend to agree, Zen, although I don't want to speak for y typist.
arabella Ella: don't you feel less inhibited on SL since it is a totally different context from RL?
Bruce Mowbray: my*
Bruce Mowbray: is it a totally different context?
arabella Ella: yes it is Bruce
Korel Laloix: There are things I am more inhibited about... and some less.
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmmm.... but Bruce and his typist are different entities, still.
arabella Ella: we meet from different continents and across different time zones here and get to know each other
Bruce Mowbray: yes, indeed, ara.
arabella Ella: and we do not have the baggage we accumulate in real life
Alfred Kelberry: ara, well noted :)
arabella Ella: here on SL i am not the duaghter of or the sister of ... fill in the blanks ... etc.
Zen Arado: my avatar decides whether what he is about to do could be a universalizable law
Zen Arado: only kidding
Zen Arado: :)
arabella Ella: nice one Zen!
Bruce Mowbray: agreed . . . [ponders Kantian ethics]
Zen Arado: a categorical imperative heh
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
--BELL--
arabella Ella: maybe it is even more of a different context for me since i come from a little island where everyone (nearly0 knowles everyone else and where everyone carries their baggage
Bruce Mowbray: Neither Bruce nor his typist would wish that their behavior become universal law,.
arabella Ella whispers ... apologies for typos tonite!
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, ha! :) just read the backlog - nice :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) ty.
Alfred Kelberry: ara, your typos are part of your cuteness. keep doing it :)
arabella Ella blushes!
Bruce Mowbray: Sry -- but with all these events in Libya and Egypt, my typist feels a need to watch the news . . . and it is time for the "News" right now, so Bruce must say "Adieu."
Bruce Mowbray: Adieu!
Alfred Kelberry: be careful, bruce
arabella Ella: oh no Brucie would be interesting to discuss news with you here!
Bruce Mowbray: I shall try, TY!
Zen Arado: byee Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: scary pictures and sad narrative
arabella Ella nods
Bruce Mowbray: Very sad, indeed.
Zen Arado: don't do anything ununiversilazable :)
Bruce Mowbray: kk, Zen. Thanks.
Alfred Kelberry: how are classes, kori?
Korel Laloix: Painful but good.
Korel Laloix: Learninga lot this semester.
Alfred Kelberry: mick, woly asked me to tell you to hold on a few more minutes :)
Mickorod Renard: ok
Mickorod Renard: ty
Mickorod Renard: I would like to say how saddened I am to hear of the US loss in libya of the ambassador and his collegues
Zen Arado: sad yes
Alfred Kelberry: kori, share a few interesting things that you have learned
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Alfred Kelberry: mick, haven't heard that
arabella Ella: very sad ... but there are so many other sad deaths every day in the world that we hear nothing about
Bleu Oleander: hiya
arabella Ella: at least here the Libyan government apologised to the US
Mickorod Renard: maybe Bruce can furnish the news better,,but it is quite sad
arabella Ella: not that an apology can get anyone back
Alfred Kelberry: it will take a lot of time for the middle east to settle
Alfred Kelberry: bleu and her amazing board! :)
arabella Ella: apparently Alfie there was a movie which insulted moslems as it showed the prophet in a bad light and it is causing this sort of terrorist attack on US stuff in the Mid East and N Africa
Zen Arado: Mark 2?
arabella Ella: and in Libya there are lots of people with firearms and no licences
Mickorod Renard: and pakistan I believe
Alfred Kelberry: ara, i doubt it was triggered by a movie
Bleu Oleander: this will due until we get the photos :)
arabella Ella: that is the official take by the media alfie
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, where did they go?
Zen Arado: San is taking the Wed 1pm now
Alfred Kelberry: cool
Alfred Kelberry: it looks bare without pictures :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, bleu is setting up a photo studio :)
Zen Arado: I don't know, it looks nice and clean without mugshots
Bleu Oleander: ok now you can take your pics
Alfred Kelberry: are non-booth pictures allowed?
Bleu Oleander: no WG wanted same backgrounds
arabella Ella: brb
Alfred Kelberry: why?
Bleu Oleander: looks more consistent perhaps
Alfred Kelberry: they take away the play from being!
Wol Euler: evening all
Bleu Oleander: jump up mp
Alfred Kelberry: woly girl!
Mickorod Renard: what booths are these?
Wol Euler: hiya
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Wol
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, bleu. i prefer my own, unrestricted pictures :)
Alfred Kelberry: mick, meet woly
Bleu Oleander: :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol, nice to meet you
Alfred Kelberry: a wonderfully charming girl
Wol Euler: nice idea, bleu
Alfred Kelberry: in a sexy outfit
Bleu Oleander: ty!
Bleu Oleander: bye for now all
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: bye bleu! take care

--BELL--

Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, bleu!
Alfred Kelberry: love your board
Alfred Kelberry: i only wish the wg would allow pictures in free form
Mickorod Renard: I am lost,,i have gotten behind with all these new goings ons
Zen Arado: I forgot, I can't save pictures in firestorm
Alfred Kelberry: funny how pab opposes structure in one thing, but endorse in another
Wol Euler: what, a square isn't good enough for you?
Wol Euler: oh poor special little boxy, needs his own shape
Alfred Kelberry: mick, this is the interactive board where guardians can mark their slots
Mickorod Renard: yes, i see that
Wol Euler: I'm sorry, that was uncalled for. Sorry, boxy.
Mickorod Renard: I used to have a slot once
Alfred Kelberry: woly, the wg decided to use a special photo booth for all pictures
Mickorod Renard: it was tuesday at 1pm I think
Zen Arado: there are plenty of vacant slots
Zen Arado: all the grey ones are vacant
Mickorod Renard: yes, I was a scribe once as well
Wol Euler: well, boxy, practically speaking: you aren't a guardian so you won't have your picture taken.
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, do you think the pab logo would look better highlighted?
arabella Ella: back
Wol Euler: so the problem is in your case purely theoretical
Wol Euler: wb ara
Zen Arado: wb Ara
Wol Euler: hello vorder
Zen Arado: bleu has gone
Wol Euler: and wb bleu
Vorder Forder: hello all
Zen Arado: oh she's back
Zen Arado: Hi Vorder
Bleu Oleander: hi again :)
Wol Euler: the listener says she is :)
Wol Euler: ah :)
Alfred Kelberry: woly, ok... let's see. i'm a male, so a rape problem is not practical for me and i should not care :)
Alfred Kelberry: i don't think it's a fair reasoning
Bleu Oleander waves bye
Wol Euler: O.O
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Wol Euler: don't you think you exaggerate just a tiny little bit?
Mickorod Renard: bye to anyone leaving
Zen Arado: if you were in prison though boxy
Wol Euler chuckles.
Zen Arado: remembers reading a novel
Alfred Kelberry: yes, to illustrate the point that the line of thought is in both cases conceptually similar
Zen Arado: shudders
Wol Euler: wanting consistency of image is similar to rape? wow.
Zen Arado: The Bonfire of the Vanities
Alfred Kelberry: no, your argument against my concern is
Zen Arado: Tom Wolfe
Mickorod Renard: forced to do something that is against ur feeling of confort could be seen in a similar light to rape
Zen Arado: legitimate rape?
Zen Arado: kidding
arabella Ella: oh come on i think most of us can gather what Alfie means
Mickorod Renard: i am just thinking of a sort of conceptual rape
Wol Euler: okay, I apologise and withdraw my remarks
arabella Ella: he wants to have a voice and to share his opinion regardless of how much he is involved ... if i get it right
Wol Euler: go ahead and have a red background to your photo.
Zen Arado: I don't know, I don't really follow this
arabella Ella: alfie?
Mickorod Renard: I remember myself,,once,,having been drugged and then operated on..(in hospital) and afterwards the feeling that I had been violated was quite strong
Zen Arado: it seems academic if Alfisn't going to have a photo anyway
Zen Arado: but maybe it was for your own good Mick?
Alfred Kelberry: my assumption is that such a defensive reaction was on my critical remark towards pab
Zen Arado: maybe you would have died otherwise?

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: i'm glad that there are a few who do get it, though. thank you, ara :)
Zen Arado: Doctors have to make these life and death decisions every day and risk legal repercussions
Mickorod Renard: it was for my own good,,but you cant fight the emotion of being taken against ur will
Zen Arado: yes of course
Zen Arado: it's like me wanting to stay independent because I don't like losing that
Zen Arado: you lose some par over your own life
Zen Arado: power
Zen Arado: you have to fit into other people's agendas
Wol Euler: Boxy, my understanding is that you are upset because some unknown future guardian might possibly not want a white background to their photo.
Wol Euler: this theoretical future person's rights are being restricted by that requirement
Wol Euler: is that right?
Zen Arado: photo background choice rights
Mickorod Renard: comply or die
Mickorod Renard: he he
arabella Ella: or maybe the photos do not allow for sufficient individuality and may not look as aesthetically interesting wherever they will be put up?
arabella Ella: individuality or expression of personality
arabella Ella: maybe?
Zen Arado: actually grey is supposed to be a better background for photos
Mickorod Renard: now then,,I am thinking of sneaking away and getting some shut eye
arabella Ella: mmmm better ... for who or what?
arabella Ella: anyway i must go now
Wol Euler: goodnight, mick, take care
Zen Arado: more aesthetically pleasing
arabella Ella: bedtime ... time for some beauty sleep
Mickorod Renard: nite nite Ara
Wol Euler: bye ara, sleep well
arabella Ella: good night all!
Alfred Kelberry: woly, i'm not upset :) it's not a big deal. i thought that in the spirit of pab, which is play and celebration of individual expression - it would be reasonable to let everyone use pictures of their own liking.
Zen Arado: nite Mick
Vorder Forder: bye bye
Zen Arado: nite Ara
Wol Euler: that would indeed be reasonable, and Bleu may well come to tghat
Wol Euler: on the other hand, given who Bleu is, I can fully understand that her first idea would be to have *consistent* photos
Wol Euler: like a corporate identity
Mickorod Renard: I see that point Wol
Wol Euler: perhaps if you asked her directly, instead of being worried here, she might agree
Zen Arado: byee all
Mickorod Renard: ok,,nite nite all
Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
Alfred Kelberry: woly, again, it was the wg's decision. her first draft had pictures in free form.
Wol Euler: okay, I stand corrected
Wol Euler: I take it all back and leave the field :)
Alfred Kelberry: stay please :)
Alfred Kelberry: although, it's late
Alfred Kelberry: oh, hi, vorder
Vorder Forder: still 10328 bytes free
Wol Euler: boxy, listen
Vorder Forder: hello
Wol Euler: hello vorder, sorry, don't know if I greetd you or not, in the heat of the moment
Vorder Forder: ok..nice to see you
Vorder Forder: I am not yet in focus after a long travel
Wol Euler: ah :)
Wol Euler: jetlag?
Alfred Kelberry: vorder has a calming personality :)
Alfred Kelberry: or... exterior, i should say
Wol Euler: boxy, I don't know why but lately I find myself snapping at you, or restraining myself from doing that
Alfred Kelberry: vorder, where did you travel?
Wol Euler: I really try not to do that, and I hate it when it happens
Vorder Forder: to Bali
Alfred Kelberry: woly, we all do that :)
Wol Euler: so I'm sorry. Really, I am.
Vorder Forder: heh
Alfred Kelberry: no worries. i know you don't mean it :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: thank you
Alfred Kelberry: wow, bali!
Alfred Kelberry: very nice
Wol Euler: I have to admit I don't really know where that is. South Pacific? Indian Ocean?
Vorder Forder: in Indonesia
Wol Euler: aha
Vorder Forder: 3 hours flight from Singapore
Vorder Forder: never been so far from home
Alfred Kelberry: i imagine the time goes slow there?
Vorder Forder: as fast as you like
Wol Euler: heheheh
Vorder Forder: fantastic culture
Alfred Kelberry: when i hear bali, i think of a quiet bungalow on the shore. slow breeze, lazy waves... time is slowing down :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: or rather, your perception of it
Vorder Forder: I was there for yoga and meditaton
Vorder Forder: I was in the mountains
Alfred Kelberry: this is how i feel in the mountains. stillness...
Alfred Kelberry: oh, cool
Vorder Forder: they are holy in Bali
Wol Euler: nice
Alfred Kelberry: do you practice a certain yana?
Vorder Forder: as for the children younger than 3 months
Alfred Kelberry: children?
Vorder Forder: they are holy
Alfred Kelberry: they consider children younger than 3 months holy?
Vorder Forder: they don´t come close to the ground untill they are more than 3 months old
Vorder Forder: they sleep in hang room over there parents
Alfred Kelberry: wow
Alfred Kelberry: what happens after 4 months?
Alfred Kelberry: er, 3
Wol Euler: hmmm
Vorder Forder: and the mother don´t deal with anything but the child
Alfred Kelberry: what's actually very similar to the western culture
Alfred Kelberry: we even push it way forward. our kids are angels way into their teen years :)
Vorder Forder: doors are open
Vorder Forder: they don´t lock the door before they go to sleep
Alfred Kelberry: how long is the flight?
Vorder Forder: for me it's 17 hours
Alfred Kelberry: oh my
Alfred Kelberry: could read a few books
Vorder Forder: I am close to the north pole
Vorder Forder: I am from Iceland
Alfred Kelberry: oh, iceland is on my travel list
Alfred Kelberry: fascinating place
Wol Euler: mine too!
Wol Euler: definitely
Wol Euler: so Bali really is about as far from you as possible without leaving the planet
Vorder Forder: it´s snowing now in the north part of Iceland....and the farmers are trying to the there sleeps indoors
Alfred Kelberry: btw, i like the mayor of reykjavik - he's like an icelandic obama bringing change :)
Vorder Forder: he´s a comidian
Alfred Kelberry: that too :)
Alfred Kelberry: obama on steroids
Alfred Kelberry: is it true that many young icelanders want to leave the country?
Vorder Forder: you have to be a biljonere to become a presedent of usa
Vorder Forder: we have to change that
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Vorder Forder: it will change
Alfred Kelberry: do you have an eta on that? :)
Alfred Kelberry: i just so fail to see this coming

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Vorder Forder: before I fall on the floor I am going to send you greetings with dignity
Vorder Forder: hope to see you soon take good care
Wol Euler: bye vorder
Wol Euler: and bye boxy, it's late here too
Wol Euler: goodnight!