The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado.

I apologise that for some reason Firestorm did not record my chat, only Xiranas on my hard drive. I noticed this and copied the chat from the window on Nearby Chat before I closed the viewer, but unfortunately the timestamps were recorded as well.

There was a system restart so we went to Kira Bar:

[07:15] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Zen!!!

[07:15] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I did not see the bar:)

[07:16] Zen (zen.arado): makes a change

[07:16] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): is it new?

[07:16] Zen (zen.arado): oh no it has been here all along

[07:16] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): it makes a change, yes:)... it's more informal:)

[07:17] Zen (zen.arado): it's a pity we can't really have a drink

[07:17] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ohhh are you sure?

[07:17] Talisker On The Rocks : Ice Cold mmmmm!

[07:17] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): you must click on the one you prefer:)

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[07:18] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I am drinking a Talisker...a scotsch whysky:)

[07:19] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): do you see...on the wall, you can chhose:)

[07:19] Zen (zen.arado): nothing appears for me

[07:19] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): chose

 

[07:19] Talisker On The Rocks : Ice Cold mmmmm!

[07:19] Zen (zen.arado): oh it was in my inventory

[07:20] Zen (zen.arado): I always forget about that

[07:20] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ah yes:)) you receive it into the inventory:)

[07:20] Zen (zen.arado): and I have been in here 5 years ;

[07:20] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): well...maybe you don't go oft to bars:))

[07:20] Zen (zen.arado): ha no

[07:20] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)

[07:20] Zen (zen.arado): restaurants yes

[07:21] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I meant in SL :))

[07:21] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hehe

[07:21] Zen (zen.arado): never go to SL bars

[07:21] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): me either:)

[07:21] Zen (zen.arado): five bells maybe

[07:21] Bruce (bruce.mowbray) is offline.

[07:22] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): welll.five bells is a nice place yes...warm and comfortable

[07:22] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): what's the topic for his week?...still clarity?..I have forgotten

[07:22] Zen (zen.arado): I didn't prepare anything about the topic

[07:23] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): we can make an 'improvisation' :)...is this a correct word in English?

[07:23] Zen (zen.arado): that's the topic

[07:23] Zen (zen.arado): preparing

[07:23] Zen (zen.arado): :)

[07:23] Zen (zen.arado): yes good word

[07:23] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ah! yes, now I remember

[07:24] Zen (zen.arado): I am into Taoinsm atm

[07:24] Zen (zen.arado): so I go with the flow

[07:24] Zen (zen.arado): Taoism

[07:24] Zen (zen.arado): so how can I prepare?

[07:25] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ok... I am not into taoism and I do also go a little with the flow...but somehow I have experienced that things I do that seem not useful today, like studying languages...can be useful in the future

[07:26] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): probably there are different kinds of preparation

[07:26] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): also to go with the flow

[07:27] Zen (zen.arado): I spent too much time doing things that would be useful and the weren't :)

[07:27] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): you have read about taoism...thought about it

[07:27] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): and now you are prepared to live following these ideas

[07:27] Zen (zen.arado): yes but maybe we should learn just for the joy of learning

[07:28] Zen (zen.arado): I don't follow the teachings as a set of beliefs

[07:28] Zen (zen.arado): I test thme in my experience

[07:28] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes... I agree....it is a personal way to feel better, and to apppreciating more things

[07:28] Zen (zen.arado): once we learn we can forget the teaching

[07:29] Zen (zen.arado): it is only pointing to something we already knew but it got obscured and lost somewhere

[07:30] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I liked what Seneca said about the shorteness of life...he recomended to read the interesting authors that have lived before us, as a way to increase our lifes with their experiences

[07:30] Zen (zen.arado): Tao is good for me

[07:30] Zen (zen.arado): yes it is wisdom

[07:31] Zen (zen.arado): and we need to resist the thinking of our age

[07:31] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): if it's good for you that's perfect:)... each one must find what is appropiate and makes sense

[07:31] Zen (zen.arado): I tend to be anxiety prone

[07:31] Zen (zen.arado): and want to be ahead in everything

[07:32] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): 'prone' ( I look for this word)

[07:32] Zen (zen.arado): I am two weeks ahead in my course

[07:32] Zen (zen.arado): it means something likely to happen

[07:32] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): well.... that's not bad... you take more profit of your time

[07:33] Zen (zen.arado): but what does it matter?

[07:33] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): it only matters if you are happy with it:)

[07:33] Zen (zen.arado): I am only doing it because I like writing and want to do it better

[07:33] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I mean..enjoying what you learn

[07:34] Zen (zen.arado): yes

[07:34] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): if you learn more quick...that's not a problem at all:)

[07:34] Zen (zen.arado): the students help each other on this course

[07:35] Zen (zen.arado): I was just helping one improve her story for the next assignment

[07:35] Zen (zen.arado): and two helped me

[07:35] Zen (zen.arado): I never did a course like that before :)

[07:35] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): that's vey nice...sharing when learning can give us different points of view too

[07:36] Zen (zen.arado): yes..it seems the modern way

[07:36] Zen (zen.arado): collaboration

[07:36] Zen (zen.arado): but it is hard to criticise withut giving offence

[07:36] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I think it's like a mode....in my university, after Bologna Plan...a lot of matters have works to do in group and sharing the learning

[07:37] Zen (zen.arado): yes

[07:37] Zen (zen.arado): you have to be tactful

[07:37] Zen (zen.arado): praise good things and point out things to improve

[07:38] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): well.... to be tacful is good, but sometimes the things are dificult to say anyway

[07:38] Zen (zen.arado): not all the students can do that I notice

[07:38] Zen (zen.arado): only three of us so far out of about twenty in my group

[07:38] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): you mean to be tactful?

[07:39] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): or collaboratiing

[07:39] Zen (zen.arado): even to post their work in progress

[07:39] Zen (zen.arado): yes collaborating

[07:39] Zen (zen.arado): maybe it is harder for men

[07:40] Zen (zen.arado): they have a bigger ego ;)

[07:40] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes... sometimes is not easy, and maybe also some ego....

[07:40] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)

[07:40] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): women do also have ego:)

[07:40] MellowDee (melody1778) is online.

[07:40] Zen (zen.arado): yes ;)

[07:40] Zen (zen.arado): maybe not so big though ;)

[07:41] MellowDee (melody1778) is offline.

[07:41] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): maybe:)

[07:41] Zen (zen.arado): I am having trouble uploading photos for my project

[07:41] Zen (zen.arado): I'll try with Phoenix later

[07:42] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): what problems?...which format are you trying to upload?

[07:42] Zen (zen.arado): png usually

[07:42] Zen (zen.arado): it uploads one then the next it crashes me

[07:42] Zen (zen.arado): jpg is the same I think

[07:43] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I do also upload png

[07:43] Zen (zen.arado): something with my files I have done wrong

[07:44] Zen (zen.arado): I get confused with all the different files and backups

[07:44] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): until now I have had no problems, but each actualisation of the viewer makes me nervous, because they change things that for me were working very well

[07:44] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): so strange that it makes you crash...

[07:45] Zen (zen.arado): I had a program that allowed me to back up Word files online ..Skydrive from Microsoft but it stopped me uploading photos on Firestorm

[07:45] Zen (zen.arado): and it took me a long time to find the cause

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): software conflicts

[07:46] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): Skydrive is like Dropbox?

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): I use too many different programs

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): yes

[07:46] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I use as few as I can :)

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): I use Dropbox too

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): had to go back to it

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): and Google Drive

[07:47] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): Google drive is very good to work with others

[07:47] Zen (zen.arado): yes

[07:47] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I am using it with Elinor too:)) to prepare the exercices of French

[07:47] Zen (zen.arado): and I use 3 photo programs

[07:47] Zen (zen.arado): ah good

[07:47] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): for fotos I use the Gimp

[07:48] Zen (zen.arado): I find one program good for some things but have to use another for other things

[07:48] Zen (zen.arado): maybe I just confuse myself

[07:48] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I must prepare a new exhibit for February:))...in a german Old market:)

[07:49] Zen (zen.arado): you are busy

[07:49] Zen (zen.arado): I don't know how you get time to paint

[07:49] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): which programs do you use for images, Photoshop?

[07:49] Zen (zen.arado): Paint Shop Pro

[07:49] Zen (zen.arado): mostly

[07:49] Zen (zen.arado): it is best for printing

[07:50] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I live in a very quiet place, Zen... so..I have 2 months to prepare one exhibit...the problem sometimes is not the time...but the subjects to paint

[07:50] Zen (zen.arado): you can just drop the fotos onto a page and arrange them

[07:50] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): a little like what happens to you for writing stories

[07:50] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ah thank you, I will try it

[07:51] Zen (zen.arado): I waste too much time

[07:51] Zen (zen.arado): but I am slow too

[07:51] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I am absolutly sure you don't :))

[07:52] Zen (zen.arado): taking me so long to learn French

[07:52] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ohhh lol....you are doing very very well!!!

[07:52] Zen (zen.arado): yet you speak so many languages

[07:52] Zen (zen.arado): it gets harder when you are older

[07:52] Zen (zen.arado): I forget words again

[07:53] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I don't speak German ..only the most basics...and I am trying to learn it (without studying) for 3 years or more:))

[07:53] Zen (zen.arado): I still use duolingo

[07:53] Zen (zen.arado): I went back to it

[07:54] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): and now that Goehte Institut has stopped...probably I will forget very quick.... if I don't 'work' on it:)

[07:54] Zen (zen.arado): I try to do some study every day

[07:54] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): that's why you are learning a lot:))

[07:54] Zen (zen.arado): I am learning compound past verbs

[07:54] Zen (zen.arado): tricky

[07:55] Zen (zen.arado): in French

[07:55] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes....more difficult for English speakers

[07:55] Zen (zen.arado): the way they have to agree with the subject or object

[07:55] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes:)

[07:56] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): for the ones wanting to learn English verbs..the trick is with phrasal verbs:))

[07:56] Zen (zen.arado): the hardest part is when people speak too quickly

[07:56] Zen (zen.arado): for me

[07:56] Zen (zen.arado): phrasla verbs?

[07:57] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes... that I understand.... at the beginning it's important to speak slowly

[07:57] Zen (zen.arado): verbs are easy in English

[07:57] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes.. Phrasal Verbs...take in, take out, tako off, take .....

[07:57] Zen (zen.arado): put in, put on

[07:58] Zen (zen.arado): I noticed Jeff getting that wrong

[07:58] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes..they seem easy:)) but them...same verb with different prepositions can have 20 meanings

[07:59] Zen (zen.arado): he said something like 'he put his coat' instead of 'he put his coat ON'

[07:59] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes.... that's very easy to make mistakes

[08:00] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I go on MOndays to the chat of 'Facibng Idioms'...another difficult field for a learner

[08:00] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): Facing

[08:00] Zen (zen.arado): I should go to that

[08:00] Zen (zen.arado): I usually go on Thursdays

[08:01] Zen (zen.arado): I think they use too many idioms :)

[08:01] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): it is at Cipris Chat....with Mr. Hammond helping....if I see you online I will tp you if you want

[08:01] Zen (zen.arado): they are not very good English usually

[08:02] Zen (zen.arado): like slang

[08:02] Zen (zen.arado): good to know when people use them I guess

[08:02] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): you mean using idioms'?

[08:02] Zen (zen.arado): yes

[08:02] Zen (zen.arado): they can be cliches too

[08:02] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes...I think I don't use a lot of idioms in Catalan either....but it's also good to know them

[08:03] Zen (zen.arado): we don't realise we use them

[08:03] Zen (zen.arado): it is unconscious

[08:03] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes, speaking using a lot of idioms may sound a little 'forced'... not natural

[08:03] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes...some are so intgrated into the language we don't realise using them

[08:04] Zen (zen.arado): I started a story with 'a letter arrived out of the blue'

[08:04] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)

[08:04] Zen (zen.arado): and I didn't realise that was an idiom

[08:05] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): and what does it mean?? :))

[08:05] Zen (zen.arado): ha

[08:05] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): out of the blue

[08:05] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)

[08:05] Zen (zen.arado): unconnected to anything else

[08:06] Zen (zen.arado): a surprising event

[08:06] Zen (zen.arado): like it came from nowhere

[08:07] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): thank you!! :)

[08:08] Zen (zen.arado): nice phot

[08:08] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes:)

[08:08] Zen (zen.arado): I'll post it if I can remember how to do it :)

[08:08] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): this place is waarm and the fire behind us makes it even more comfortable:)

[08:08] Zen (zen.arado): we just need a barman

[08:09] Zen (zen.arado): maybe I should be the barman

[08:09] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): maybe you need it full perm to download to thaq computer?

[08:09] Zen (zen.arado): polishing glasses

[08:09] Zen (zen.arado): hmm maybe

[08:10] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I click on Save as...and I can save it in my computer

[08:10] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hehe yes...the barman is missing:)

[08:11] Zen (zen.arado): I took one myself just in case

[08:11] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I must go now Zen... thanks for the nice chat ... :)

[08:11] Zen (zen.arado): kk thanks for dropping by Xirana :)

[08:11] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): see you soon! :-)

[08:11] Zen (zen.arado): see you later

[08:11] Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye

[08:11] Zen (zen.arado): byee