2011.05.09 19:00 - Why the drama

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia. This session was attended by Storm, Boxy, Stevenaia, Hokon, Paradise and myself.

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy :)  (for when you return)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Storm :)
Storm Nordwind: Hi Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you?
Storm Nordwind: Sneezy it seems this evening :-/
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah me too, I went for a long walk this evening and I swear I came back covered in pollen :)
Storm Nordwind: Such a bone dry spring as I'm not used to.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Storm Nordwind: How is life on the "coast"? ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, thank you :D usually can't log in much during the week
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for looking for the source of the lag, I've noticed it for a very long time here
SophiaSharon Larnia: it must be getting worse?
Storm Nordwind: Yes. It's not as bad as when we used to have much of Ulreung sim, but yes it's probably getting worse here
Storm Nordwind: We'll narrow it down
Storm Nordwind: Just a shame that on a mainland sim, we have so little diagnostic control without getting the a Linden involved.
Storm Nordwind: (We used to have links with someone who was a Linden, so he could look for us - but those days are gone.)
Storm Nordwind observes that Sharon's avatar has evaporated...
Storm Nordwind: Welcome back Sharon!
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you! that had nothing to do with lag!
Storm Nordwind: Pollen in the PC?
SophiaSharon Larnia: no :) i think my cat bumped the cord? my comps been crashing a lot lately
Storm Nordwind: It's when they chew the cord that real problems begin!
SophiaSharon Larnia: i had a virus that mysteriously went away, and now my computer shuts off for no apparent reason
Storm Nordwind: Hi steve
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: evening
stevenaia Michinaga: hi boxy, SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: i havent had a problem with cord chewing yet
Alfred Kelberry: oh, hi :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb boxy :D
Alfred Kelberry: sorry, i was busy in the other window :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: no problem
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Hokon
stevenaia Michinaga: wb boxy, hope I didn;t wake you
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Hokon
Storm Nordwind: Different windows to different worlds
Alfred Kelberry: stev, not really, but i'm glad to be back :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Alfred Kelberry: hokon :)
Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
Alfred Kelberry: wow, nice trick
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: looks infectious

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: yes, i can do that. not as fast though :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: weee (and pretends to flip)
Hokon Cazalet: lol
Alfred Kelberry: neko girls can flip nicely
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe I cant find ears to match my hair
Alfred Kelberry: land always on their feet
stevenaia Michinaga: like my cat
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, they usually do ;p
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe alfred
stevenaia Michinaga: Alfred=cat in the box?
Alfred Kelberry: um, sorry guys. could you please open playasbeing wiki and say if it feels slow for you?
Hokon Cazalet isn't a good gauge, as her pc is always slow
Alfred Kelberry: stev, i think we all possess many... incarnations :)
stevenaia Michinaga: opens fine for me
Alfred Kelberry: ah, sorry, hokon :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, thanks
Hokon Cazalet: hehe
Hokon Cazalet: ill be getting a new computer in a few weeks
SophiaSharon Larnia: seems the same to me Boxy
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh nice Hokon
Storm Nordwind: Menu speed as slow as normal. Page update speed half-speed maybe?
Hokon Cazalet: =)
stevenaia Michinaga: although.. loading all those photos is always a stall
SophiaSharon Larnia: im afraid to, then i may see how things really look
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes storm slow as normal :)
stevenaia Michinaga: once loaded everything is fine
Alfred Kelberry: storm, i've noticed some bad checksums coming. i wonder if it's on my end.
Alfred Kelberry: thank you all
Storm Nordwind: SWitching between log months seems slower tonight. But I'm not usually on SL at the same time
stevenaia Michinaga: I;ve posted 2 logs this week w/o anything noticeably slow
Alfred Kelberry: possibly it's me...
SophiaSharon Larnia: has anyone read the article pema sent to the pab group http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge342.html ?
Hokon Cazalet: no
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry forgot
Hokon Cazalet clicks the link to read
stevenaia Michinaga: not yet
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
Hokon Cazalet: where on the page is the article? this page is huuuge
Storm Nordwind: Executive summary please? ;)
stevenaia Michinaga: Reasoning was not designed to pursue the truth. Reasoning was designed by evolution to help us win arguments.
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks steve was typing
stevenaia Michinaga: copy/paste (cold never type that w/o errors)
stevenaia Michinaga: could :)
Storm Nordwind: Is the idea that arguments = persuasiveness. And that persuasiveness has an evolutionary advantage?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i usually try to summarize it all
stevenaia Michinaga: hi susan, you on text tonight?
Hokon Cazalet: hi susan =)
iwandertoo Resident: waves...on mobile
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Storm Nordwind waves
stevenaia Michinaga: I'll get you over here :
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Storm Nordwind: We used to provide a seat for Eden when she logged in from India and couldn't see where she was. Perhaps I should reinstate it for Susan? :)
iwandertoo Resident: maybe...
SophiaSharon Larnia: what stuck me first about it is the angle, argument not based objective reason but having a social component to reasoning, and wondering why everything in psychology doesn't approach it from the view in the first place
SophiaSharon Larnia: ive been meaning to ask you Storm, why was that cushion necessary?
Storm Nordwind applauds steve's pushing efforts
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: you made to the outer cushions, susan
Storm Nordwind: /Basically Eden wore the seat as a transparent object. When she rezzed it was always in the same place-ish. The seat pulled her into position and became visible. (She could type and read but not see or move herself.) I left a little shadow on the ground where she was expected to materialize
iwandertoo Resident: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i remember the shadow, i didnt know how she sat down :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I remember her from India, but not the seat
Storm Nordwind: The magic of scripting ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
stevenaia Michinaga: did you find all the excess scripts on the land Storm?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think someone gave me that cushion
Storm Nordwind: I'm waiting till the message has got through to Kira Japan before I start
Storm Nordwind: And the sim hasn't been empty yet
stevenaia Michinaga: quite the maintenance ordeal
Storm Nordwind: Since it's a mainland sim, LL don't let us have access to the tools we need.
Storm Nordwind: So it becomes a more laborious process
stevenaia Michinaga: I remember early on, people loosing things "underground"
SophiaSharon Larnia wonders if she can find things down there :)
Storm Nordwind: I remember the days before voice, and clouds, and when there were still casinos everywhere
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, then one day, no casinos
SophiaSharon Larnia: i looked for poker lately in search, and it asked to verify my age
Storm Nordwind: Funnily enough, I don't miss the casinos :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: id think theyd have been as annoying as the ads
Storm Nordwind: But it will be nice if I can find out why were running so low on server resources... which by the way Sharon is a problem in your new coastal home too. :(
SophiaSharon Larnia: i noticed some lag, is variable
SophiaSharon Larnia: is it me? :)
Storm Nordwind: I suspect it's the mall and the art gallery
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
Storm Nordwind: Easy to find out though - if you have a few minutes after this
SophiaSharon Larnia: i thought it was the aminals
Storm Nordwind: Possible too
SophiaSharon Larnia: animals*
Storm Nordwind: There are rather a lot!
iwandertoo Resident: heads to the coast
iwandertoo Resident: jk
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: didn't you release snakes, Storms?
SophiaSharon Larnia: im about ready to give her a texture for her pens, too
Storm Nordwind: yes I did - 15 of them. Intelligently roaming around the sim next to Sharons. And with no noticeable of sim performance (which is still excellent!)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Storm Nordwind smiles at Sharon's reference to herds of animals in plywood pens
Storm Nordwind apologizes for making the chat technical :(
stevenaia Michinaga: reminds me of "Westworld" a bit

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: (movie)
SophiaSharon Larnia: havent seen that one Steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: a very old Yul Brenner movie about a RL virtual world w/ intelligent robots
SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting
stevenaia Michinaga: from 1973
stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070909/
SophiaSharon Larnia: A robot malfunction creates havoc and terror for unsuspecting vacationers at a futuristic, adult-themed amusement park, oh thats funny
SophiaSharon Larnia: mugunghwa is rated mature last i saw :P
SophiaSharon Larnia: funny how old movies of that theme instill terror of technology, much as movies of aliens do now
stevenaia Michinaga: we call them grifters here
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: no one wolud see a "good robot" movie
SophiaSharon Larnia: robot movies arent my thing, but id be more apt to want to see one like that
stevenaia Michinaga: although good alien movies seem to be all the rage (ET)
stevenaia Michinaga: niceness seems to have a more limited audiance
stevenaia Michinaga: cept here of course
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes why is that?
Alfred Kelberry: *pats neko's back with his robotic paw* :)
Hokon Cazalet: !
SophiaSharon Larnia: aww thanks Boxy *pats back*
SophiaSharon Larnia: i really want to know, why is that?
stevenaia Michinaga: seems violence preceeds niceness in human development
Hokon Cazalet: we want dramatic stuff in movies and such, and an easy way to get that is have a bad guy
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes but why the need for drama
SophiaSharon Larnia: my tolerance for drama has gotten less and less
Storm Nordwind: The suspense is killing me ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ha
Alfred Kelberry: um... i don't think of movies in terms of drama. btw, there's a genre - drama - for that :)
stevenaia Michinaga: drama never really seems "real"
Storm Nordwind: I decline to watch suspense nowadays that's artifically produced for a plot
SophiaSharon Larnia: I feel kind of bad for putting it that way 'less tolerance' but have much less of it than 2 yrs ago
stevenaia Michinaga: like people taking "offence" at something (drama)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but when it is real
Alfred Kelberry: let's talk in examples or i get lost :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: im thinking more specifically on why people want to watch things where people get hurt
Alfred Kelberry: name a movie please :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: the evening news
SophiaSharon Larnia: any news
Storm Nordwind sympathizes with Sharon
stevenaia Michinaga: ok, most people ar soft and cuddly here boxy, I find square edges offensive boxy, how are you supposed to react to that? (drama with an example of offence)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok a series like csi and the like
Alfred Kelberry: i don't think it's an accurate assumption, sharon
Alfred Kelberry: it's what all the hype is about - violence, drama. i just see good and bad movies.
SophiaSharon Larnia: or law and order special victims unit
SophiaSharon Larnia: but why the hype
Alfred Kelberry: stev, not sure i understand how it relates to movies
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe not accurate int he senbse all news is bad
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps a large number of people have humdrum lives. Bad news is easier to find and dramatize than good news. So people's need to break out of their bland existence is most quickly satisfied by violence and drama. Eventually they come to associate one with the other.
stevenaia Michinaga: I think I was off topic, speaking about reality
Alfred Kelberry: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: reality, off topic :D
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: we like to see that, because it makes us feel better about our lives?
SophiaSharon Larnia: the romans liked to see people being eaten by lions
Storm Nordwind: It's like any drug - alcohol, nicotine etc
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise :)
Hokon Cazalet: hi paradise =)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi paradise
Storm Nordwind waves to Paradise ... which is an interesting idea in itself ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i just want to know where the need comes from
SophiaSharon Larnia: but maybe another day, ive been asking that for a long time :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Storm Nordwind: People look for happiness. They nearly always begin the search outside themselves. Entertainment is a common first stop for many.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise
SophiaSharon Larnia: stating its likea drugsays to me its biological i that is effects the brain neurologically
SophiaSharon Larnia: affects et al of the typos)
Storm Nordwind: Or psychological - like a conditioned reflex maybe
Hokon Cazalet: one thing about it, those movies and such let us experience emotions we dont normally feel, and we get to feel them without the risks normally involved with those experiences
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
SophiaSharon Larnia: i see
Storm Nordwind: But why would anyone want to feel them?
Paradise Tennant: smiles waves all round listening :)
stevenaia Michinaga: like a roller coaster, something extraordinary
Alfred Kelberry: para :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Paradise :)
Hokon Cazalet: wb paradise =)
SophiaSharon Larnia: unless its real
stevenaia Michinaga: why would you want that (or jumping out of a plane)
stevenaia Michinaga: scared safe
Alfred Kelberry: wait, what do we discuss? :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: jumping out of a plane is on my bucket list :)
Hokon Cazalet: dramatic stiuations can expose noble parts of ourselves normally hidden, also the idea of the hero being able to plow through bad things gives us satisfaction, that "hey people can make it, the world can be fair"
Storm Nordwind: "bucket list"?
Paradise Tennant: mine too :)
Alfred Kelberry: a reference to a movie, stormy
Paradise Tennant: great film :) thing you do before you die
SophiaSharon Larnia: bucket list = a list of things you want to do before you die (kick the bucket)
Storm Nordwind: I see
stevenaia Michinaga: list of things you wnat to do in your lifetime, Storm
Storm Nordwind: thank you
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Storm Nordwind has no wish to jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Alfred Kelberry: so, sharon, why did you like this movie full of drama? :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: which movie ?
Alfred Kelberry: the bucket list
SophiaSharon Larnia: I havent seen it, i am ashamed to say! but i know the phrase, its older than the movie
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Samuo
Paradise Tennant: very much worth renting :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, i assumed you did...
Paradise Tennant: hiya O :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I intent to, now..

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: have tissues
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Paradise Tennant: handy
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for the tip!
Storm Nordwind has just one thing on his bucket list: be happy
Paradise Tennant: though a really warm film ...sad but cheery in funny kind of way
SophiaSharon Larnia: im not saying i consider all drama bad, just dont know the need to see terrible things, but what Hokon said is probably the most try, but like a child i just still want to know whyy
SophiaSharon Larnia: know why*
SophiaSharon Larnia: the most true*
Hokon Cazalet: hehe i think its good to ask why sophia, its been a question philosophers have asked at least since aristotle
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry, i guess typos are SL body language
oO0Oo Resident nods and waves to all
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Sam
Hokon Cazalet: bye oO0Oo
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes .. good phrase sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs @ Hokon :)
Alfred Kelberry: sam :)
Hokon Cazalet: :Þ
Alfred Kelberry: nice little tongue
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Storm Nordwind: The only person I know to use a thorn
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: to use a thorn?
Paradise Tennant: such a cute nose
Storm Nordwind: Þ = thorn. = hard th sound (as opposed to eth, a soft th sound)
Hokon Cazalet: ohh =)
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
SophiaSharon Larnia: i thought maybe the questioning was like using a thorn
SophiaSharon Larnia: see how i think
Hokon Cazalet: aw
Storm Nordwind: ð = eth as in breathe. Þ = thorn as in breath.
Storm Nordwind: Icelandic and Old Norse
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant use those characters
Paradise Tennant: smiles do not see that much old norse these days :)
Hokon Cazalet: ☻
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Hokon Cazalet: :Þ
Storm Nordwind: When your religion is Heathenry, as mine was, you know Old Norse (and these letters) quite well!
SophiaSharon Larnia: sometimes questioning IS like using a thorn
Hokon Cazalet: =)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
oO0Oo Resident giggles
SophiaSharon Larnia: lookjing forwant to beltain
Paradise Tennant: heathenry
Storm Nordwind: You missed Beltane
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: love beltane :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
oO0Oo Resident touches heart and blows a kiss to everyone here, and everyone there
Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltane_Fire_Festival
Paradise Tennant: smiles at O good to see you :) namaste :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: im actually upset by this conversation
Hokon Cazalet: ?
Hokon Cazalet: =(
Paradise Tennant: blinking
Hokon Cazalet: aw why?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i hold it far away, when i start to ask i get upset
Paradise Tennant: listening
SophiaSharon Larnia: donehahaha
SophiaSharon Larnia: just empathize with what i see too much
SophiaSharon Larnia: all walls or no walls
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think play as being should come with a warning, for some, i really do
Paradise Tennant: sensitive souls beware :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: in real life i would tell you im not that sensitive
Hokon Cazalet: what exactly set you off?
SophiaSharon Larnia: feels silly, but asking why people want to see people being hurt
Storm Nordwind: It can be hard dropping barriers when you start to see what being is - and perhaps that's why the "play" aspect - the lightness - is so important
Hokon Cazalet: ohhh ok that question, i could see how one could take the question like that, that way
Paradise Tennant: nods

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: even if its on a screen, just the knowledge of this darkness
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant take such a thing lightly presently :)
Paradise Tennant: that is not a bad thing .. seeing plainly
SophiaSharon Larnia: have heardsome of the arguments, a judgement of what is 'good' and 'bad'
Paradise Tennant: being in touch with the feelings and aware .. is the best metric of good and bad
Storm Nordwind: Though I'm not suggesting taking any of these (what to me are) monstrous things lightly. Only the exercise of dropping, and how we wear our attachments to things. When that happens - and if we do it earnestly - we do indeed expose ourselves to such harshness
SophiaSharon Larnia: the emotional aspect of it really does prevent seeing clearly
SophiaSharon Larnia: i didnt think of what you said as suggesting that :)
Paradise Tennant: frankly cannot watch violence either in fact have stopped reading the newspapers all except the finance sections smiles even that is bloody enough
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes ha
Storm Nordwind: hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: i do have to go, ive been on longer than I intended, thank you :) I cant say i will bring this up again any time soon :D
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now <3
Storm Nordwind: (((Sharon)))
Paradise Tennant: thank you sophia
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Sharon
Hokon Cazalet: byeee =)
Paradise Tennant: namaste
SophiaSharon Larnia: night :)
Paradise Tennant: going to scoot too .. heavy eyes .. namaste my friends :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise
Storm Nordwind waves
Paradise Tennant: sweet dreams all :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, time to follow
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night all
Storm Nordwind: Night steve
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Alfred Kelberry: i'm making a script scanner :)
Storm Nordwind: They're fairly easy to do, but they're not always much use. :)
Storm Nordwind: (Though they're also easy to do badly (and incorrectly)!)
Alfred Kelberry: oh! me and pema tested the /9help param you've added today
Alfred Kelberry: could you print it in one go?
Storm Nordwind: yes. But it's deliberately NOT in one go :)
Alfred Kelberry: why?
Storm Nordwind: So people can read each line at a line, one every 2 seconds

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: when there's chat going on you lose them
Alfred Kelberry: besides, it's not an expected behavior
Storm Nordwind: Who is to say what "expected" is?!
Alfred Kelberry: cause most help commands return it in one go
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's my suggestion anyhow :)
Storm Nordwind: That doesn't necessarily make them more useful
Alfred Kelberry: have you tried to turn the scripts off on this plot already?
Storm Nordwind: You'll recall that I said I was waiting for an empty sim (and for Kira Japan to be informed) and neither have happened yet
Alfred Kelberry: by my numbers, one "Radar (PaB) revolving rotating scanner sensor v0.3 full circle" takes 131 mb of memory
Alfred Kelberry: or...
Alfred Kelberry: right, forgot to divide :)
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Alfred Kelberry: ok, much better
Alfred Kelberry: the most that i've seen is >50mb from myriads of scripts on rhia :)
Hokon Cazalet: lol
Storm Nordwind: haha!
Alfred Kelberry: how "naked" can be deceiving :)
Hokon Cazalet: lol
Storm Nordwind: If you're making a scanner, don't forget to narrow the beam and rotate it. or else you will miss many things when llSensor() saturates
Alfred Kelberry: right. good tip :)
Alfred Kelberry: eh... region window would be so nice
Alfred Kelberry: maybe we could ask for a linden to help us?
Alfred Kelberry: or the sim owner
Storm Nordwind: Who do you think is the sim owner?!
Alfred Kelberry: no idea
Storm Nordwind: We own 99% of the sim
Hokon Cazalet: i checked the land info, nobody owns the sim
Alfred Kelberry: so you can access world > region?
Storm Nordwind: But it's a mainland sim. Only islands have owner visibility into those tools
Alfred Kelberry: aha
Alfred Kelberry: too bad
Storm Nordwind: We could own the shop in the corner and we still would not have access to World > region
Alfred Kelberry: it would take just a minute to get that misbehaving scripts list
Alfred Kelberry: have you asked for linden support before?
Storm Nordwind: Sure. It's often VERY slow to come. Slower nowadays. Prospero used to help us out and we could interact with him.

--BELL--

Storm Nordwind: Anyway. I don't need to be impatient. I'll be closer to the answer in a couple of days no doubt :)
Hokon Cazalet: a friend is gonna show me a skybox they just made, have a fun evening =)
Storm Nordwind: Bye!
Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
Hokon Cazalet: hehe
Storm Nordwind: And 80 scripts disappear :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah! forgot to take out my ecobox :)
Storm Nordwind: Well you must please excuse me for now. :)
Alfred Kelberry: but they could as well be all inactive
Alfred Kelberry: bye stormy
Storm Nordwind: No they were Hokon's active scripts
Alfred Kelberry: active = all the scripts
Alfred Kelberry: in the stats at least
Storm Nordwind: I see
Storm Nordwind: Bye for now!