The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey, good afternoon ewan
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey boxy, what kind of tea ?
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: where is everyone?
Yakuzza Lethecus: bleu couldn´t come, eden is still in paris
Alfred Kelberry: she left egypt?
Yakuzza Lethecus: last week we had 4 ppl in the session today only one stepped by at the bells
Yakuzza Lethecus: how the heck did i say paris ?
Alfred Kelberry: why did you change the location?
Yakuzza Lethecus: egypt
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm they stole the obilisk ? :P
Alfred Kelberry: cause she speaks french :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i have no idea how paris entered my mind
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes somehow
Alfred Kelberry: we're so good at labeling things
Yakuzza Lethecus: so how has your day been so far boxy ?
Alfred Kelberry: not bad, thanks :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was wondering, were there any more thoughs regarding the notification system of ppl at the bells pub ?
Alfred Kelberry: not since the guardians meeting
Yakuzza Lethecus: when i was sitting there before i only missing the 90seconds notifier
Yakuzza Lethecus: with clear announcement and ending
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i am still unsure weather i leave it there or stay here for the happyhour
Alfred Kelberry: are you talking about the app that eos mentioned?
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i mentioned 2 subjects :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: one would be to do the 90 seconds in the pub as well after like triggering any pabish object
Yakuzza Lethecus: and the other subject was the app
Alfred Kelberry: i think the pub is a different place
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but you might still like to do the 90sec there as well
Alfred Kelberry: 90 sec would look alien there to me
Yakuzza Lethecus: on and offswitchable
Wol Euler: hello yaku, boxy
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, that was at least my thought before
Yakuzza Lethecus: you wol :
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Wol Euler: me wol, you yaku
Alfred Kelberry: woly :)
Alfred Kelberry: spiky heels
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello alessa
Alessa Tzal: Good evening :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been here before ?
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Alessa Tzal: Oh yes :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Wol Euler: yeah, alessa is an old friend
Alessa Tzal: Hiya Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i have a guess
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Wol Euler: hello alessa
Alessa Tzal: Hello my dear :)
Alfred Kelberry: *scratches his ear*
Alessa Tzal: Another big crowd?
Alfred Kelberry: um..
Alfred Kelberry: that's kind of persistent
Alessa Tzal: I'm touching you persistently :p
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, i forgot woly...
Alessa Tzal: How could you forget Wol?
Wol Euler huffs. How could you forget me
Wol Euler: snap
Alessa Tzal: Snap
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Ewan Bonham: We all forget soome things..:)
Ewan Bonham: Nice picture...:)
Alfred Kelberry: it's funny, this woly looks different
Alessa Tzal: Isn't it the same one?
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: maybe it's cause it's woly from the past
Alessa Tzal: Back to the future?
Wol Euler: sideways to forever
Alessa Tzal: As well
Alessa Tzal: From here to eternity
Ewan Bonham: Could also be in part the present..:)
Ewan Bonham: Eternal...:)
Alessa Tzal: Mm, who knows?
Alessa Tzal: Well, that killed the bell
Alfred Kelberry: no spiky heels
Alessa Tzal: You?
Wol Euler: sorry
Alessa Tzal: They wouldn't fit a dog :p
Wol Euler: but not always, some outfits needs shitkicking boots.
Wol Euler: and these is they
Alessa Tzal: Indeed
Ewan Bonham: The face looks the same..:)
Alfred Kelberry: aha
Alessa Tzal: Good :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: we should make a copy
Alessa Tzal: Loadsa Wols
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Wol Euler: gah
Yakuzza Lethecus: there is only ONE wol :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler needs tea to cope with this.
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alessa Tzal enjoys the scenery
Ewan Bonham: Yes, the backgrounsd is a nice touch..:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello chi
Wol Euler: and hello ewan, sorry, didn'T see you before
Wol Euler: hello chi
Alessa Tzal: Hello Chi
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alessa Tzal: When did you take the pics Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: woly did
Alfred Kelberry: the other day
Wol Euler grins.
Alessa Tzal: They have your name on them...
Wol Euler: it was a REALLY laggy day, nobody could see me at all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Wol Euler: so I made a screenshot and gave it to boxy
Alessa Tzal: Hello Zen
Wol Euler: who put it up
Wol Euler: hello zen
Alessa Tzal: Twice
Alfred Kelberry: zen-san
Zen Arado: Hi all
Ewan Bonham: Hi Zen
Alfred Kelberry: ales, the poster woly was present on one of the meetings already
Alfred Kelberry: zen was there :)
Zen Arado: yes on my session
Ewan Bonham: Smile..
Alfred Kelberry: ara :)
Wol Euler: hello ara
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara and bleu
Wol Euler: hello bleu
Alessa Tzal: Hello Ara :)
Alessa Tzal: and Bleu :)
Zen Arado: I told Alf you had a beautiful Flickr page with your outfuts Wol
Wol Euler: ah :)
Zen Arado: Hi Ara :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes, flickr!
Wol Euler: and now I have a cyberstalker?
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu :)
Alessa Tzal: With a bone
Wol Euler chuckles.
Bleu Oleander: nice pics
Alessa Tzal: Well, it's different
Alfred Kelberry: um... i'll have to remove the poster woly by an anonymous request
Alessa Tzal: Aww
Wol Euler: look at your IMs to see my previous non-anonymous request to remove them :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Alessa Tzal: We could have a raffle for them
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i liked them
Alfred Kelberry: someone didn't
Alfred Kelberry: *looks around*
Alessa Tzal: No taste...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: it's a nive pose Ithought
Yakuzza Lethecus: well someone could anonymously start a subject :)
Zen Arado: nice
Wol Euler: ty
Ewan Bonham: Anonymously?
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: subject? there's a subject
Alfred Kelberry: *thinks the twitbox could introduce a subject anonymously*
Bleu Oleander: what are the top 10 subjects in PaB?
Alessa Tzal: Well I think time must be up there
Bleu Oleander: time is a great one, yes
Bleu Oleander: Being ... another
Alessa Tzal: Dreams?
Bleu Oleander: yep
Chi Aho: I saw a science program yesterday about time.
Alessa Tzal: I like your submarine dream btw Wol
Wol Euler: ty :)
Wol Euler grins.
Yakuzza Lethecus: pls elaborate chi
Chi Aho: Well, it seems they have now identified the actual cells in the brain that give us all a subjective sense of time.
Alfred Kelberry: submarine?
Chi Aho: right about in the center of the brain
Alessa Tzal: Mine are missing, evidently
Chi Aho: some people's are mis-set and so they literally live in another time zone
Chi Aho: getting up at 3 a.m. every morning, for example
Alessa Tzal: Sounds like SL :p
Zen Arado: I can never quite see how knowing in what rewgion of the brain certain types of thinking takes place actually helps us understand anything any better though
Ewan Bonham: Lol...
Chi Aho: it help us understand how the brain works
Alfred Kelberry: chi, does it mean it's "wrong"? that the function is disturbed?
Zen Arado: yeh maybe
Zen Arado: but....
Ewan Bonham: Yes, it is helpful for research...
Yakuzza Lethecus: well at some point having some pieces of the puzzle together helps fitting it all
Wol Euler: it gives the scientists reason to believe that they'll understand how we think Really Soon Now
Ewan Bonham: But it may not answer the question of where the collective soul is that we can all tap into...:)
Zen Arado: it's like looking in the back of a TV to try to understand the program on the screen
Chi Aho: alfred, first of all we are not all set identically, but some are radically off so i don't know whether scientists would call that wrong or not
Bleu Oleander: we had to understand the back of the tv before we were able to watch the program :)
Zen Arado: I don't thiunk we will ever understand consciousness
Bleu Oleander: never say never
Alessa Tzal: You just did :p
Bleu Oleander: :P
Wol Euler chuckles.
Zen Arado: yeh but there is a huge gap between the physical sunstance of ther brain and conscioiusness
Zen Arado: what do you think Ara?
Bleu Oleander: gap is getting smaller
arabella Ella: dont we already understand a lot more than we did 30 years ago?
Chi Aho: Maybe the question is not how consciousness arose from a material universe, but how a material universe arises from consciousness
Zen Arado: but to me it is justifying areas that light up with certain thoughts
Zen Arado: so what?
Zen Arado: just finding I meant
Wol Euler: sure, ara
arabella Ella: you mean correlations
arabella Ella: yes
Bleu Oleander: I think there's a lot more to it than that
Ewan Bonham: i like the idea that reality comes from consciousness..:)
Chi Aho: and that the entire universe is itself experiencing consciousness
arabella Ella: but quantum physics, MRI scans and brain surgery have gone a long way to gaining more understanding even tho the brain has its plasticity and at times compensates for loss
Ewan Bonham: that allows me to accept responsibility of how I see and relate to the world..:)
Zen Arado: yeh ...was watching a prog about Ayn Rand earlier
Chi Aho: ugh
Bleu Oleander: did anyone see the Ayn Rand movie yet?
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Bleu Oleander: Atlas Shrugged?
Wol Euler: there's an ayn rand movie? aah
Wol Euler: don
Zen Arado: ok but they didn't gain that knowledge from physical examinatiokn of the brain did they?
Wol Euler: don't think I will be queueing to see that
Zen Arado: this was a BBC documentary
Bleu Oleander: me either, was just curious
Wol Euler smiles.
Bleu Oleander: read the book, that was enough
Wol Euler: I read The Fountainhead, to my sorrow and shame; in my defense, all architecture students have to
arabella Ella: both physical examination of the brain and philosophical thinking (also in the area of AI) help to gain understanding i think Zen
Bleu Oleander: haha
Wol Euler: it's like getting drunk and puking on someone's shoes. You just have to do it.
Bleu Oleander: ugh
Wol Euler: sorry, bad example :)
Alessa Tzal: I never have
arabella Ella understands Wol's feelings perfectly here
Zen Arado: I think you would enjoy this Sophie: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ove_and_Power/
Wol Euler: but you can infer my feelings about the book from that example coming to mind.
Bleu Oleander: someone did that to me on a plane once
Alessa Tzal: The pilot?
Yakuzza Lethecus: bbc isn´t working here :(
Bleu Oleander: haha
Zen Arado: yeh pity
Wol Euler: wow, that looks interesting Zen.
Wol Euler: ah, "not available in my area."
Zen Arado: it goes on to talk about how we rely on computers too much
--BELL--
Wol Euler: that's a loaded statement for a SL avatar to make :)
Bleu Oleander: was thinking same :)
Alessa Tzal smiles
Zen Arado: taster: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/vi...et-adam-curtis
Zen Arado: maybe someone will post on Youtube
arabella Ella: Zen we cant turn back on progress it would not make any sense so we should take threats to be opportunities
Zen Arado: but that's technological determinisism Ara ?
Bleu Oleander: progress .... hmmm not always as it seems maybe
Zen Arado: because we can do something we must do it
arabella Ella: no that is not what i mean
Zen Arado: maybe that's part of our problems nowadays
Bleu Oleander: so we're here 'cause we can and we must :)
Zen Arado: we don't stop and consider implications
arabella Ella: can we imagine a world with no vaccines, with no planes, with no laptops, etc?
Zen Arado: 'yes we can'
Ewan Bonham: Well, as with computers, when the technology becomes as practical as something we can then use to better our lives daily, then the purpose will become more obvious.
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: yes: the middle ages
arabella Ella: Can we as individuals stop technological change?
Chi Aho: Yes, arabella
Wol Euler: sure: we can go off and join the Amish on their candle-lit, horsedrawn farms
Chi Aho: exactly
Zen Arado: not stop but think about it a bit more maybe
Bleu Oleander: can we help direct it better?
Ewan Bonham: We could never have imagined walking around with cell phones just 10 years ago...:)
Chi Aho: or join a commune
Chi Aho: or become a hermit
Yakuzza Lethecus: should we even stop change ? we can only influence the change in a way
Chi Aho: these are real choices
Zen Arado: no need to go to other extreme
Yakuzza Lethecus: to prevent too negative unforseen outcomes
Ewan Bonham: Anyone here not use a cell phone?
Wol Euler: :
Wol Euler: :)
arabella Ella: first of all chi not everyone is that free to go off and for example become a hermit
Zen Arado: 'the rise of the machines'
Zen Arado: chuckles
arabella Ella: and look at us all at our keyboards looking at our monitors
Chi Aho: well, you can in your mind and then 20 years later maybe really do it, ara
Yakuzza Lethecus: thinking of hermits, bruce is kind of one and is connected to the world by sattelite :)
Zen Arado: Bid Arnie coming back from the future
Ewan Bonham: but if the technology is used to enhance our lives, then we have more time fo joyful endeavors..
Zen Arado: Big
Bleu Oleander: where is Bruce btw (waves hi)
Ewan Bonham: I use my comp[uter for biofeedback to help me meditate faster, for example..:)
arabella Ella: technology is even used to alleviate suffering today
arabella Ella: surgery
Wol Euler: arch says bruce is ill :(
arabella Ella: anastesia
Alessa Tzal: Awww
Wol Euler: but gave no details
Zen Arado: oh
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, didn´t hear about that :(
Wol Euler: came down with something in NY
Yakuzza Lethecus: i thought he´s in NYC
Bleu Oleander: (aww .... hope you feel better Bruce)
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: GWS Bruce
arabella Ella: owwwww GWS Brucie!
Yakuzza Lethecus: *good wishes bruce*
Alessa Tzal hugs Brucie
Ewan Bonham: a moment of well intions for Bruce
Zen Arado: missed him at WoK too
Wol Euler: funny how one can miss patterns as they occur, and/but spot them easily afterwards
Wol Euler: he hasn'T posted in the email forum in over a week either
Zen Arado: yeh too near the action
Alessa Tzal: Chess players will tell you that too :p
Wol Euler: hehehe
Zen Arado: article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...f-loving-grace
Zen Arado: sorry for going on about this
arabella Ella: one good thing about technology for me is that it connects me to ppl from all over the world as we get together here too
Wol Euler: don't be, zen :) it's intereseting
Bleu Oleander: very timely issue
Zen Arado: politicians are losing power to the machine it seems
Alessa Tzal: Not so bad then
Bleu Oleander: not just politicians
Wol Euler: no more so than the rest of us
Zen Arado: I'm not clear what the prog said
Zen Arado: seemed to bring too many factors for me
Wol Euler: they shout more because they miss it, whereas most of us are used to having little practical power
Zen Arado: like Clinton Nad Monica Lewisnky
Ewan Bonham: Yes, like fire...it can be used in so many ways...and if done consciously, can enhance our lives...:)
arabella Ella: technology also has the ability to address democratic issues from the grassroots up
--BELL--
Ewan Bonham: Yes, through up to the minute polls...:)
arabella Ella: although it was scarey today to see how Saudi and the USA are trying to get involved in changes in Mid East to protect their interests
Alessa Tzal: onigokko
Alessa Tzal: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Bleu Oleander: phew!
Wol Euler: friday FTW
Zen Arado: the rise of onigokko power
Zen Arado: :)
Bleu Oleander: there's yet another good thing about tech
Alessa Tzal: The onigokko in the machine
Bleu Oleander: our inner onigokko
Yakuzza Lethecus: japanet
Alessa Tzal: Nice to see the mask in the right place this time :p
Zen Arado: it isn't aginst technology per se but how we rely on..especially computers.. to run our financial system
Yakuzza Lethecus: ever since that friday morning :)
Alessa Tzal: Mmm
Wol Euler nods.
Bleu Oleander: and out L$ accts!
Bleu Oleander: *our
Zen Arado: quits thinking
Zen Arado: hurts my brain :)
Alessa Tzal: Good idea :)
Zen Arado: lets the machines do it instead
Zen Arado: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, have faith in the altruistic selfless programmers :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Wol Euler scoffs.
Zen Arado: Rand didn't believe in altruism
Alessa Tzal: You mean Linux users?
Wol Euler: linux, maybe; apple, possibly; microsoft: no.
Bleu Oleander: it's a good thing some do
Bleu Oleander: altruism, that is
Wol Euler: agreed
Wol Euler: the internet runs on it.
Wol Euler: all the many wikis
Wol Euler: and the free apps
Wol Euler: etc
Zen Arado: so the internet promote altruistic behaviour in a way?
Bleu Oleander: some yes, some not so much
Zen Arado: and takes away power from dictators
Wol Euler: yes, I think so; by making it easily and cheaply possible, and by making the results immediately visible to many people
arabella Ella: gtg good night all!
Wol Euler: 'night ara, take care
Bleu Oleander: nite ara
Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well ara
Zen Arado: nite Ara
Chi Aho: gn, ara
Yakuzza Lethecus: nice to see you around again
Alessa Tzal: Bye for now
Bleu Oleander: bye .... nice weekend all
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu, alessa
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Chi Aho: bye too to all
Yakuzza Lethecus: all leavers and i am also putting myself to bed
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Wol Euler: bye yaku
Alessa Tzal: Schlaf gut yaku
Zen Arado: bye Alessa
Yakuzza Lethecus: night
Alessa Tzal: Bye
Alessa Tzal: Mention Ayn rand and it clears the room
Zen Arado: haven't seen Mick around for a while
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: no surprise
Alessa Tzal: No, me either
Zen Arado: yeh
Wol Euler: true...
Alessa Tzal: Change to see Ara again
--BELL--
Zen Arado: did Fael leave SL?
Alessa Tzal: Yes
Alessa Tzal: Unfortunately
Wol Euler: yep
Zen Arado: never see him either
Wol Euler: cancelled her account
Alessa Tzal: So sad
Zen Arado: wonder why?
Alessa Tzal: Maybe hitting 30 in RL had something to do with it
Wol Euler: change of interests, I inferred: going back to university, getting immersed in Eve Online, and some RL stuff
Zen Arado: hitting 30 hmmmm
Alessa Tzal nods
Zen Arado: make me feel so old :(
Alessa Tzal: Yep
Wol Euler: heheh
Alessa Tzal: A lot of people at that age go through a 'must do something with my life phase'
Alessa Tzal: I did too
Zen Arado: yeh true
Zen Arado: I started the Open University
Wol Euler smiles.
Alessa Tzal: OMG
Zen Arado: studying with it I mean
Wol Euler is relieved
Zen Arado: it was Harold Wilson did that
Zen Arado: :)
Alessa Tzal: Did it affect the pind in your pocket?
Alessa Tzal: pound*
Zen Arado: he out down his pipe for a while and di it
Alessa Tzal: Sorry, thinking of pint
Zen Arado: he he
Alessa Tzal: As he said at the brighton conference
Zen Arado: surprised you remember that
Wol Euler: is that a pint in your pocket or are you just a little *too* glad to see me?
Alessa Tzal: Sadly yes
Zen Arado: :)
Alessa Tzal pokes Wol
Wol Euler laughs.
Zen Arado: was ity worth all that work I ak myself?
Alessa Tzal: Good question
Zen Arado: I could have just lazed about and had more fun
Alessa Tzal: Just like any student :p
Zen Arado: pity you can't live two lives and compare
Alessa Tzal: But we do
Wol Euler: eh?
Alessa Tzal: First and second
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: ah
Zen Arado: I did an engineering degree first
Zen Arado: was hard work
Alessa Tzal hears the pfenig drop
Zen Arado: not much fun
Zen Arado: a little perhaps at summer schools
Alessa Tzal: Could be worse
Alessa Tzal: Not much, admittedly
Wol Euler: you could have had no fun and no OI degree
Zen Arado: I was in love with education I guess
Alessa Tzal: But was it in love with you?
Zen Arado: it fought back
Zen Arado: and nearly won
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: heh
Alessa Tzal: Aw
Zen Arado: was just perseverance in the end
Zen Arado: not my brilliance for sure
Zen Arado: just another slogger
Alessa Tzal: Perseverance is commendable
Zen Arado: but I guess that's somethinf to be proud of too
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: getting late
Zen Arado: I better go
Alessa Tzal: We all move at our own pace
Wol Euler: goodnight zen, take care
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
Alessa Tzal: Bye for now Zen
Zen Arado: nite Wol, Alessa
Alessa Tzal: Watch out for Ian Paisley :p
Zen Arado: have a nice weekend too
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: heh
Wol Euler: eh
Alessa Tzal: Night Wol
Wol Euler: 'night aggers, take care
Alessa Tzal: Schlaf gut <3
Wol Euler: dir auch <3
Alessa Tzal: :)