2011.06.04 19:00 - Perception of Time Keeps Shifting

The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

Pema Pera: hi Paradise!
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya pema :)
Paradise Tennant: how are you this afternoon :)
Pema Pera: oh, a bit tired
Pema Pera: (and still morning here)
Pema Pera: I was co-organizing a conference all week
Paradise Tennant: tiring work :)
Pema Pera: it all was fun and went well, but now I'm happy to take a break
Pema Pera: hi Bert and Susan
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya bert susan gtsy :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves, :)
Pema Pera: hi are you both?
Bertrum Resident: Fine, thank you. An you?
iwandertoo Resident: well thanks, you?
Pema Pera: oh, a bit tired -- just mentioned to Paradise that I had been running a conference this last week, with some Japanese colleagues
Pema Pera: fun, but a lot of work
Pema Pera: glad it finished now :)
Bertrum Resident: Are you in Japan?
Pema Pera: yes, in Kyoto
Bertrum Resident: How is the situation there?
Pema Pera: it depends where you are
Pema Pera: Kyoto is fine, far away from where the damage was done
Pema Pera: Tokyo is okay, but they have to save on electricity
Pema Pera: so you see signs like escalators not working and lights less bright in subway stations
Pema Pera: but of course the real problems are further North
Pema Pera: where the tsunami hit
Pema Pera: and especially in the area of Fukushima, where the nuclear reactors are still in a very bad state
Pema Pera: hi Ewan!
Bertrum Resident: Is elevated radiation still an issue in Tokyo?

I missed Bert's question during the session, but the answer for Tokyo is no; it's the area northeast of Tokyo, around Fukushima, where radiation in/on soil and in plants and animals is likely to remain an issue for quite a long time.

Pema Pera: hi Whispr
Whispr Xue: Good Evening All 8)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Pema Pera: hi Eliza!
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya ewan whispr :))
Paradise Tennant: eliza :))
Bertrum Resident: Hi Eliz, Ewan.
Ewan Bonham: Hi Folkls!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema, Paradise, Bertrum, Susan, Ewan and Whispr :)
Whispr Xue: 8)
Eliza Madrigal: @)
Pema Pera: would anybody like to bring up a topic?
Pema Pera: a question, observation, musing . . . :)
--BELL--

Bert started a thread of questions, related to the fetl passage of time.

Bertrum Resident: This is something you likely discussed in the past, but I wondered why as one gets older, time seems to pass ever so quickly?
Whispr Xue: I think that as more demands are placed on ones life, we forget to cherish the moments... and keep looking for what needs to be done next
Pema Pera: good point, Whispr!
Whispr Xue: Where when we were younger...this moment is all that mattered 8)
Pema Pera: hi Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden!
Bertrum Resident: Hi Eden
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Paradise Tennant: smiles hello eden :)
Ewan Bonham: Hi Eden
Whispr Xue: Hello Eden 8)
Eden Haiku: hello everyone :-)
Ewan Bonham: So, Whispr...that does not seem age related so much..:)
Ewan Bonham: Amnd that is true for me...cause the perception of time slows when I am less busy..:)
Whispr Xue: Yes... as they say, time flies when you are having fun 8)
Whispr Xue: I think as we get older, we also have to remind ourselves to slow down and enjoy the moment
Ewan Bonham: Smile..:))
Pema Pera: maybe it is also related to remaining open to new surprises . . .
Pema Pera: willing to learn
Whispr Xue: Has anyone ever noticed when their perception of time shifted?
Ewan Bonham: nod..
Paradise Tennant: yes
Bertrum Resident: It seems age-related to me. Is that true for any of you?
Eliza Madrigal nods ... lately mostly when it slows, when 'more' seems to be'there' somehow...
Eliza Madrigal: Hard to tell Bertrum, it actually feels more like I remember childhood feeling :)
Whispr Xue: Not so much age relaed for me, but more linked to periods of my life...
Eliza Madrigal: ah, nods
Paradise Tennant: hmm think it is busy related .. more bulk time to laze about when you are young as you get older the days get progressively more crowded it seems ;)

Eden provided the title for this session:

Eden Haiku: Not sure when it shifts but perception of time keeps shifting yes ;-)
iwandertoo Resident: young or the age i am now...time raced or seemed to still when things were in/are in flow
Whispr Xue: Yes... then times of relative calm... when the moments are more defined
Paradise Tennant: smiles at susan yes when you are in flow it seems to me time disappears
Ewan Bonham: I notice when i am meditating...time reduces in meaning..
iwandertoo Resident: yes...and amazed whe "coming back" that it was a blink or was hours
Ewan Bonham: Then it feels 'slower'...:)
Eliza Madrigal: when young I never thought of 'what shall i do with my time'... then older I felt 'I better do something with my time!, now.... hm... something different
Whispr Xue: Yes... meditation brings me 'into' the moment
Whispr Xue: Yes, Eliza... or what do I need to get done in this block of time so as not to cause issues with other things that need to be done... not get behind 8)
Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly, endless measuring!
Ewan Bonham: I do get attached to future expectations...:)
Paradise Tennant: could mix it up .. approach each task with a kind of reverance exclusivity of focus :) they have proven not that multi tasking is actually less efficient
Paradise Tennant: *now
Whispr Xue: Yet... I have found that since I stopped wearing a watch... time has become less defined.... more fluid
Eden Haiku: Interesting Whisper...
Paradise Tennant: smiles do no wear a watch .. either :) actually find them uncomfortable
Whispr Xue: Yes, funny how we think we are doing so much more when we have many things in the works 8)
--BELL--
Whispr Xue: Yet when I look back on the day, I have very little actually accomplished
Pema Pera: I'd like to leave a bit early today -- in fact, I think I'll go get some more sleep, continuing to catch up from last week . . . :-)
Whispr Xue: Sweet Dreams, Pema
Pema Pera: nice to see you all -- back soon again!
Paradise Tennant: smiles :) a nap is always a good plan sweet dreams pema :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Eliza Madrigal: OK Pema, pleasant sleep
Bertrum Resident: Bye, Pema
Pema Pera: (^_^)
Ewan Bonham: Nite Pema

Since I left, I will leave the rest of the session uncommented.

Eliza Madrigal: read or heard someone say that he wears a watch, but broken. One day he asked another in his officie for the time... only to learn that many in the office were wearing broken watches
Whispr Xue: *smile*
Eliza Madrigal: they liked the watches but not watching time :)
Ewan Bonham: Seems like a point: wearing a watch.. BUT one that does not work..:)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Paradise Tennant: smiles with cell phones wonder if watches will go the route of buggy whips
Bertrum Resident: Or did they hope time would stand still?
Eliza Madrigal: maybe, maybe they feel like rebels :)
Eden Haiku: Bye Pema ;-)
Whispr Xue: LOL Like wearing unmatched socks
Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
Ewan Bonham: It could be a nice reminder to me....not to be so attached to the perception of time...:)
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Eden Haiku: Will experiment with not wearing a watch ;-)
iwandertoo Resident: (unmatched socks)
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm, nods
Eliza Madrigal: then one considers that everything is aging, not just us... everything we touch that seems to have no 'life'... is experiencing time
Ewan Bonham: nods..
Bertrum Resident: So for everyone, is the feeling of the passage of time situational?
Whispr Xue: Or is it that only we visit the concept of time on life... and it is only our perception... not other entities?
Whispr Xue: *entity's?
Whispr Xue: Good question, Bertrum....
Ewan Bonham: I believe it is for me..:)
Eliza Madrigal: interesting questions, hmm
Whispr Xue: I think it is guided by the stage of life I have been in....
Eliza Madrigal: say more please?
Whispr Xue: or the impactful happenings during a period of my life
Whispr Xue: There are moments when time has no meaning....
Whispr Xue: whole years where time melded together into a moment
Whispr Xue: and other times... when each day seemed eternal
Ewan Bonham: And times when certain moments....live in my mind again and again..:)
Whispr Xue: and seem like they have always JUST happened a moment ago
Paradise Tennant: smiles sometimes certain things seem to need to wear a track in your brain to break free :)
Bertrum Resident: Is that looking back--memory--that were are employing to sense or explain the passge of time?
Bertrum Resident: *we're
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevenaia :)
Ewan Bonham: nod...or become well integrated in my mind...:)
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya stev gtsy :)
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
Ewan Bonham: Hi Steve..
Bertrum Resident: Hi Steve
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Eden Haiku: Hello Stve!
Whispr Xue: 8) Stevenaia, Hello 8)
stevenaia Michinaga: (sorry to interupt)
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: I need to say g'night.... so sleepy
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Eliza Madrigal: hope to be at more evening sessions during the summer :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you guys
Bertrum Resident: Bye, Eliza.
Whispr Xue: Sweet Dreams Eliza 8)
Ewan Bonham: Bye Eliza...:)
Eliza Madrigal: pleasant dreams all
Eden Haiku: I w
Paradise Tennant: good nite eliza :)
Eden Haiku: waves to everyone, goodnight. Sleepwalking to her bed...
Paradise Tennant: smiels sweet dream eden :)
Whispr Xue: Sweet Dreams Eden
Ewan Bonham: Bye Eden..
Bertrum Resident: Bye Eden
stevenaia Michinaga: Night Eden
Whispr Xue: It is a peaceful night, it seems... I could drift off... but it is so early here still 8)
Bertrum Resident: From what I heard this evening, I wonder if how we emply memory shapes how we perceive time.
Paradise Tennant: i find this spot very relazing somehow .. it has a calm feel to it
Whispr Xue: Yes... especailly tho soft hoot of the owl
Whispr Xue: memory shapes?
Whispr Xue: oh... how we employ memory... shapes our perception... sorry my confusion 8)
Whispr Xue: Butwould that be true for our perception in the moment?
Whispr Xue: How it stands still or speeds during activities?
Hokon Cazalet: =)
stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Hokon
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
Whispr Xue: Hello Hokon 8)
Ewan Bonham: Hi Hokon..
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya hoko :)
Hokon Cazalet: hiya
Hokon Cazalet: hiya peeps =) whats the topic?
stevenaia Michinaga: just got here myself
Bertrum Resident: Hi Hokon
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Paradise Tennant: the many guises of time i think
Hokon Cazalet: oo
Hokon Cazalet: brb
--BELL--
Whispr Xue: Thank you for such an intriguing discussion
Ewan Bonham: Thank you all folks...enjoyed the reflections...:)
Bertrum Resident: Bye Whispr
Whispr Xue: Gnite All 8)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
stevenaia Michinaga: can't wait to read the log
stevenaia Michinaga: helo Arch
Paradise Tennant: good nite whispr :))
Archmage Atlantis: Too late, too late, for a very important date
Bertrum Resident: Night Ewan
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you whisr
Bertrum Resident: Night, everyone.
Paradise Tennant: good nite bertrum
Paradise Tennant: smiles at arch :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Archmage Atlantis: ty for recognizing the quote, Paradise
Hokon Cazalet: back
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Hokon
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Paradise Tennant: lifts her teacup :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rabbit
iwandertoo Resident: wb
Archmage Atlantis: The last week or so has been throught the looking hole for me.......
Archmage Atlantis: One thought makes me smaller, and one thought makes me tall......and the ones my mother gave me...don't do anything at all......go ask
Paradise Tennant: can you say more arch what has been happening :)
Archmage Atlantis: I forget what it was that made hatter's mad
Archmage Atlantis: some chemical
Paradise Tennant: felt arsenic i think in the felt
Archmage Atlantis: right
Archmage Atlantis: Well, first the dinousaurs came
Archmage Atlantis: Actually, first the earth cooled
Paradise Tennant: sorry mercury in the curing of some animal pelts that were used in hats
Archmage Atlantis: then the dinosaurs came
stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvIL...U&feature=fvst
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, I'll try to refocus
Hokon Cazalet: aw thats skipping the glorious history of microbes, prior to dinos =P
Archmage Atlantis: Burce has been ill
Paradise Tennant: your partner is not well ?
Archmage Atlantis: I have been wondering if I will be approved for a rescue cat
Archmage Atlantis: TY, Paradise.....that was a good chuckle.....Bruce is a friend I know only through PaB
Paradise Tennant: chester is the rescue cat right ?
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Chester will be here tomorrow
--BELL--
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Archmage Atlantis: Ok, so a bit of Mad Hatter is possible, even without the chemicals
Archmage Atlantis: Not good to read Lewis Carroll before bedtime
Archmage Atlantis: So how about them RedSoxs
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Paradise Tennant: love lewis carroll :) actually some of the children's authors I still really enjoy pullman cs lewis
Paradise Tennant: they are great
Archmage Atlantis: Children's authors, imho, are rarely about what adults imagine the innocence of childhood was
Archmage Atlantis: They write about the terror of being small, and unable to influence the surrounding environment
Archmage Atlantis: And about finding someone who will protect one
iwandertoo Resident: harry potter...
stevenaia Michinaga: but they are rarely written by children for children
iwandertoo Resident: and eventually a recognition...that one is not so small, just not quite there yet
Archmage Atlantis: yes, Susan
Archmage Atlantis: That one is not going to always be small
stevenaia Michinaga: and then they will not be so tasty
Archmage Atlantis: Still, one owes protection to those who are
Paradise Tennant: smiles how cool was rowling a single mom on assistance writing in a tea shop becoming wealthier than the queen of england
Archmage Atlantis: Cool that a mom could get assistance.....in the US, that might not happen
stevenaia Michinaga: amazing imagination iinside (us all)
stevenaia Michinaga: wb hokon
Hokon Cazalet: TY
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Archmage Atlantis: Ty all for staying this extra 1/2 hour......back to bed....to sleep, perchance to dream
Archmage Atlantis: Blessing and Namset
Hokon Cazalet: byebyes
Paradise Tennant: smiles nite nite arch
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Paradise Tennant: well .. smiles ..
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: ( took a nap after a big afternoon party, I:m here for a bit longer)
Paradise Tennant: ahhh the joys of napping
Hokon Cazalet: im gonna head out for the night, was fun to drop in (waves to all present)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe i took a lot of naps today
stevenaia Michinaga: the tiquila helped :)
Paradise Tennant: take care hokon good to see you :)
Hokon Cazalet: lol stevenaia
Hokon Cazalet: you too paradise =)
Paradise Tennant: smiles was there a worm in it ?
stevenaia Michinaga: no, at least not when I was done
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: that just makes me wriggle ewwww
stevenaia Michinaga: me too
Paradise Tennant: sorry yawning here ..think I am going to have toddle .. walk the dog ..look at the moon .. and think of time .. and alice :)))
iwandertoo Resident: waves
iwandertoo Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Paradise, amazing dress
iwandertoo Resident: lovely
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes feel like a walking garden ;P
iwandertoo Resident: taking off?
stevenaia Michinaga: nice dress too Susan
iwandertoo Resident: thank you
iwandertoo Resident: went crazy in this hobo shop
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
iwandertoo Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: happy to stick around
iwandertoo Resident: was visiting for a second with Samud...but s/he is definitely serious into something
iwandertoo Resident: (not sure what)
stevenaia Michinaga: oh?
iwandertoo Resident: chanting
iwandertoo Resident: there is a prayer wheel and the sound of chanting
iwandertoo Resident: not sure what part of PaB its in
stevenaia Michinaga: we can go visit sam
iwandertoo Resident: is it okay to do that?
iwandertoo Resident: i popped pver and popped back
iwandertoo Resident: felt like i was intruding on sacred space
stevenaia Michinaga: nods... when in doubt ,... ask
iwandertoo Resident: true...ought to have first
iwandertoo Resident: you going dancing tonight?
stevenaia Michinaga: have not scouted out who is playing where
iwandertoo Resident: sam is cool, just pnged me
iwandertoo Resident: do you get hassled in that dress?
stevenaia Michinaga: never, but I don;t go to "those places"
iwandertoo Resident: oh
iwandertoo Resident: haha
iwandertoo Resident: "those places"
stevenaia Michinaga: Druth asked me that once
iwandertoo Resident: sorry, perhaps ought not to have asked
stevenaia Michinaga: do you know of a good music venue
iwandertoo Resident: i dont...
stevenaia Michinaga: I have an IM out to a club owner I know... she is usually too distacted to respond
iwandertoo Resident: and going to crash eventually
iwandertoo Resident: so would be flakey a
stevenaia Michinaga: let me look