2011.06.16 13:00 - experiences of astral travels

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

Eherim Infinity: Merry meet. :_)
Lia Rikugun: hi eherim
Lia Rikugun: how are you?

eternal happiness

Eherim Infinity: I am experiencing eternal happyness. :-)
Lia Rikugun: wow how does that feel like?
Eherim Infinity: Like being happy. :-D
Lia Rikugun: oh eternal haha I read 'external'
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: thats great eherim
Lia Rikugun: how did you get there?
Eherim Infinity: I had this experience with lucid dreaming. Do you know what that is?
Lia Rikugun: what experience did you have with lucid dreaming?
Lia Rikugun: I had some short lucid dreams yes

Eherim tells us an interesting experience he had with astral travels

Eherim Infinity: Well, it's a mean of doing astral travels, that can eventually lead to enlightenment. Well- what happened was;
Lia Rikugun: listeing
Eherim Infinity: I had practices 'reality check' for abaout two weeks.
Lia Rikugun: like every 10 minutes asking yoursef if you are dreaming?
Eherim Infinity: When you try to do something that is only possible in a drem.
Eherim Infinity: Kind of.
Eherim Infinity: Try to fly, and if you can, you know you are in a dream.
Eherim Infinity: Well, that happened, and I knew I was in a drem and that the doors of perception were open, because of that.
Eherim Infinity: So to speak.
Lia Rikugun: and then you travelled?
Eherim Infinity: Not quite.
Lia Rikugun: hello dash, eherim is telling us about an interesting lucid dream he had
Dash Earthboy: hi there
Eherim Infinity: Hi, and merry meet.
Eherim Infinity: OK, what so I was aware of the spiritual posibilities in the situation, and I waited for something exstrordinary to happen, giving in to the posibilities.
Dash Earthboy: listens
Eherim Infinity: Then, kind of a game show board came up, like if you have ever watched "wheel of fortune" in the telly or something similar.
Dash Earthboy: hey Wol
Wol Euler: hello dash, lia, eherim
Lia Rikugun: ok, ah i am so curious what happens next?+
Lia Rikugun: hi wol,. eherim is telling us about a lucid dream
Eherim Infinity: Well, this one had diferent prizes to win, and it so happened that I won what in danish is called "evig lykke".
Lia Rikugun: whats that?
Eherim Infinity: That translates to eternal happyness or bliss or something.
Lia Rikugun: ohh ewiges leben
Lia Rikugun: luck
Lia Rikugun: lykke
Lia Rikugun: not life
Wol Euler: sounds pretty good.
Lia Rikugun: wow thats great :)
Lia Rikugun: did you wake up after that?
Eherim Infinity: So whenever I think of that in everyday life, it gives loads of comfort. :-)
Lia Rikugun: haha i can imagine that
Eherim Infinity: Yes, the clock rang unfortunately.
Wol Euler smiles and nods

"look at the emotion and ind your spot for awareness"

Eherim Infinity: That was the story. And it melts fine with some zen ideas of whenever you have bad emotions, take a step back mentally and be aware of those bad emotions, hate or anything. Look at the emotion, and it will vanish, if you succeed in finding your spot for awareness.
Lia Rikugun: wow that is something i need right now :)
Lia Rikugun: thans for the advice it fits perfectly
Eherim Infinity: :-)
Wol Euler smiles.
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Hello PaBlings :)
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Dash Earthboy: hey Agatha
Lia Rikugun: hi agatha
Dash Earthboy: i guess looking at the hail bouncing around last night reminded me of a game too...the way those lotto balls bounce around in those machines
Lia Rikugun: you missed eherim telling the story about his lucid dream and how he found eternal happyness :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like big hailstones
Eherim Infinity: It can be found in the records now I guess. :-)
Lia Rikugun: yes :)
Dash Earthboy: :)
Dash Earthboy: most of the hail was the size of marbles
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Wol Euler: O.O
Dash Earthboy: first time in my life that after a hail storm the ground looked like it was covered with snow
Dash Earthboy: LOTs of hail
Eherim Infinity: Amazing.
Dash Earthboy: some about half the size of a golf ball
Agatha Macbeth: Hail Caesar
Dash Earthboy: :) at Aga

more questions directed to Eherim :) and the "Theurgic Ritual"

Lia Rikugun: eherim do you aoften have lucid dreams?
Agatha Macbeth: I've heard of hailstones so big they damage cars
Dash Earthboy: I was one of those who lost power too last night
Lia Rikugun: is this something you started just now?
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Eherim, please carry on
Eherim Infinity: No, that's the first time i've experinced anything spiritual using that technique.
Dash Earthboy: yes
Lia Rikugun: please tell me how you exercised getting lucid dreams, i mean during the day doing the reality checks?
Eherim Infinity: Nut i've used other practices for those astral travels/shaman travels or what people prefer to call them.
Lia Rikugun: oh yes, what did you mean by astral travels exactly
Lia Rikugun: this sounds pretty cool
Agatha Macbeth: What kind of practices?
Eherim Infinity: Something called "The Theurgic Ritual". :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm...interesting
Agatha Macbeth: What does it entail?
Eherim Infinity: Theurgy is summunig sprrits in order to cleance those doors of perception, as Blake describes it.
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eherim Infinity: Oppening the mind from everyday's preassumptions.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Lia Rikugun: how do i do that?
Eherim Infinity: The Theurgic ritual goes as this: When going to bed, lock yourself up with handcuffs on hands and feet. Have the key frosen in a big kube of ice, so you can't get to it before the ice melts. :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good :p
Lia Rikugun: really??
Eherim Infinity: Be naked and don't use a blanket.
Wol Euler chuckles.
Eherim Infinity: Yes, this is for real. :-)
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Lia Rikugun: and then?
Agatha Macbeth: Better NOT try this in the Artctic then?
Eherim Infinity: Then give in to the spirrits. Call them and be very determined. Ask them to come and use your body as they will, and give into it by all means.
Dash Earthboy: Machaelle Small Wright didn't use the word "theurgy" in her writings about the spirits at Perelandra, but her practices fit the definition you've given

loose your ego for a while...

Eherim Infinity: The point is to loose you ego for a while.
Lia Rikugun: wow isnt this very scary
Agatha Macbeth: Well it's certainly an interesting way to go about it :)
Eherim Infinity: It is, untill you get used to it.
Lia Rikugun: i think i would be scared
Wol Euler: ah, I get it: the hand- and ankle cuffs are so that you can't move, in case the spirits want you to go wandering about
Wol Euler: or rob a bank
Dash Earthboy: :) at Wol
Eherim Infinity: :-) I guess that's also an advantage.,
Lia Rikugun: how do you overcome the scaryness?
Eherim Infinity: Getting used to have your ego dying more or less.
Lia Rikugun: do you remember what ahppened?
Lia Rikugun: afterwards
Lia Rikugun: have you ever tried eherim? what happened?
Lia Rikugun: haha, sorry, so many questions
Eherim Infinity: I've had more than twenty sessions by this, having summoned spirrits, often refered to as succubi.
Agatha Macbeth: You lost the key? [grin]
--BELL--
Eherim Infinity: Well, I actually never used the cuffs. I tried to tie myself up, but quite quickly I realized that imagining the handcuffs were enough for things to happenn.
Lia Rikugun: why do you need the handcuffs eherim?
Eherim Infinity: For giving your selv as a bait for the spirit. :-)
Eherim Infinity: An offering.
Dash Earthboy: ah! such a different approach than Wright took
Lia Rikugun: thats so interesting
Eherim Infinity: Good, I am glad you think so.
Agatha Macbeth: Which wright Dash?
Dash Earthboy: she developed a co-creative relationship with devas and nature spirits that she's made a fortune with
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Lia Rikugun: I am curious about your experiences when the 'spirit' is there? can you tell more about that
Agatha Macbeth: Well with Devas anything's poss I guess

what happened during those ritual sessions?

Eherim Infinity: Well, the first 15 or so sessions I had, spirrits were summoned but nothing more happened. I was too scared to give in and let go.
Dash Earthboy: Machaelle Small Wright wrote about some of it in "Behaving As if the God in all life mattered"
Lia Rikugun: but how did you know there were spirits?
Eherim Infinity: But loads of interesting things happend and lots of diferent kinds of spirrits appeared. I found out that when I felt the pressence of a spirit, It would materialize if I oppened up my eyes and looked for it.
Lia Rikugun: that is so scary
Lia Rikugun: i sometimes have the impression too, that I could see things if I wanted to
Lia Rikugun: but I am too scared
Eherim Infinity: Severel of them raped me, kind of and some other ate my face, giving me the most blissfull sensation.
Eherim Infinity: lol
Dash Earthboy: reading that book by Wright might help you overcome that fear Lia :)
Agatha Macbeth: This gets better...
Lia Rikugun: what book is that dash?
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Wol Euler: http://www.amazon.de/Behaving-God-All-Life-Mattered/dp/0927978245/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_6
Dash Earthboy: thanks Wol :)
Lia Rikugun: I think this can be very dangerous and you have to have a strong character to be able to test a little

an example for an 'astral tarvel'

Eherim Infinity: Then at some point a succubus (appearing as an old hag) invited me to fly in through a whole in the wall.-
Eherim Infinity: That was my first "astral travel".
Eherim Infinity: I came to a castle yard and went through another wall, ending up walking on a castle wall.
Lia Rikugun: I am wondering if this mixes with reality or if what you see is on some kind of different level?
Eherim Infinity: There I met another spirit. A guard of some sort, and I got too scared to confront him and pass by and that session ended.
Lia Rikugun: I think I may have similar experiences but not induced by these rituals
Wol Euler listens.
Lia Rikugun: these sallies happen in my 'imagination'
Lia Rikugun: whatever that might be
Eherim Infinity: The theories I read about this is that experiencing the spiritual entities and realms is a "proof" of how we constantly perceps the world.
Lia Rikugun: that is why I am curious about if this mixes with reality
Eherim Infinity: The actualization is a mind product. More or less. We agree on our model by communicating it.
Agatha Macbeth: The doors of perception and all that
Dash Earthboy: the curiosity about the "seen" and "unseen" in reality has been around since the recognition of air
Agatha Macbeth: Truly
Lia Rikugun: so what is a spirit for you?
Eherim Infinity: A spirit is mmmmm a ... having troubble finding the words in english.
Lia Rikugun: I think there are definitely some parallels between what I experience in my sallies and what you describe now, people attacking you other people showing you passages and questions arising, big feelings coming etc.
Eherim Infinity: an innate propensity, given human form because of anthropomorphism. (Thankyou google translate)
Lia Rikugun: now i need to translate it :)
Lia Rikugun: but you said that spirits attacked you, eating your face, these were not nice
Eherim Infinity: Haha. Something from the uncouncious having you achnowleging it.
Agatha Macbeth: Depends on the spirit :p
--BELL--
Dash Earthboy: i like that word "anthropomorphism"...it is relative to so much in reality
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eherim Infinity: I had a peak in all this, when an astral travel led to the experience of being one with everything. Some call that experience Henosis.
Eherim Infinity: Or God.
Eherim Infinity: Or Ayn Soph. Etcetera.
Agatha Macbeth: Good old Ain Soph :)
Lia Rikugun: i think it is very interesting, and you can experience a lot, but i think you should not put too much interpretation into it
Lia Rikugun: this is what I do, otherwise sometimes it would be too scary
Wol Euler nods.
Lia Rikugun: for me mostly it is a story I am telling myself and I am the main actor
Eherim Infinity: A Danish writer showed me that path. His name is Erwin Neutzsky-Wulff. There is a few bits and pieces that has been translated to english. Here are a few links for you to investigate.
Eherim Infinity: Magick, chapter 1:
Eherim Infinity: http://www.thefirewithin.dk/library/magic1.htm
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, magick eh?
Eherim Infinity: Chapter two:
Eherim Infinity: http://www.thefirewithin.dk/library/magic2.htm
Wol Euler makes a note
Agatha Macbeth: Is Crowley involved in this?
Eherim Infinity: Magic, not magick, sorry. Don't quite know the diference between those terms.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh there is a difference :p
Eherim Infinity: Not so much crowley.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eherim Infinity: More his own take on kaballah, for instance.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I understand
Eherim Infinity: Here is something that explains his take on kaballah a bit:
Eherim Infinity: http://books.google.com/books?id=mIGMsLiol7EC&pg=PA301&lpg=PA301&dq=neurological+landscape+neutzsky&source=bl&ots=C8h11sQIsF&sig=Y0i8Q8I-Sjw4jHx2fVn9MNZB5KM&hl=da&ei=CW1WTaOzO8mYhQfO6OSyDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=neurological%20landscape%20neutzsky&f=false
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks, I'll take a look at that
Wol Euler: ty
Lia Rikugun: thanks for sharing eherim
Eherim Infinity: And how the ten sephiroth (The tree of life) is a map of the astral realms/the actualization. :-)
Eherim Infinity: Have fun with it. :-D
Agatha Macbeth: Yes thank you Eherim, most interesting
Dash Earthboy: ty
Dash Earthboy: Agatha, it looks like Crowley spelled Kaballa differently
Dash Earthboy: http://www.thefirewithin.dk/library/crowleys.htm
Agatha Macbeth: It gets spelt various ways
Eherim Infinity: Not much other than that has been translated to english.
Dash Earthboy: you mean like "spelt"?
Agatha Macbeth: He spelt most things his own way anyway :)
Dash Earthboy: :)
Eherim Infinity: He has a few more text on his wab page:
Eherim Infinity: http://www.enw.dk/foreign.html
Dash Earthboy: hey Hokon
Lia Rikugun: hi hokon
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Hokie :)
Eherim Infinity: Kaballah can be spelled in quite some diferent ways.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Wol Euler: hello hokon
Agatha Macbeth: Often with a Q
Eherim Infinity: As can Ayn Soph and so on.
Hokon Cazalet waves to all
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Dash Earthboy: yep
Agatha Macbeth: But not Atyn Rand :p
Agatha Macbeth: -t
Dash Earthboy: grins
Wol Euler: or even Atuin
Eherim Infinity: Alright. That was a long story short. I hope you can benefit from it. - In the way you find most usefull.
Agatha Macbeth: True
Lia Rikugun: thanks
Dash Earthboy: yes ty Eherim
Wol Euler: ty eherim
Dash Earthboy: Lia I hope you'll check out that book by Wright
Dash Earthboy: perhaps to allay fears of spirits
Lia Rikugun: yes i will look online
Lia Rikugun: maybe it is just the word spirit were I get fears
Dash Earthboy: :)
Lia Rikugun: especially if at some point spirits would appear in my reality
Lia Rikugun: and not in my dreams or sallies
Dash Earthboy: yah the book addresses that
Lia Rikugun: this way I can make a clear line
Lia Rikugun: ok interesting
Lia Rikugun: i should definitely read the book then :)
Dash Earthboy: you too may make a fortune !
--BELL--
Dash Earthboy: she's still looking for distributors for her "essences"
Wol Euler: "The statements made on our web site have not been evaluated by the FDA (U.S. Food & Drug Administration). Our products and services are not intended to diagnose, cure or prevent any disease." Small print on her Perelanda website ...
Dash Earthboy: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Hokon Cazalet: =P
Dash Earthboy: the terminal lady i took care of in Nashville bought some of that as well as the book
Wol Euler: in fairness I suppose that every greengrocer should have that label on their broccoli too
Lia Rikugun: who is this wright, I have never heard of her
Agatha Macbeth grins
Dash Earthboy: she insisted i read the book for insight on overcoming childhood abuse
Dash Earthboy: :) at Wol
Dash Earthboy: i wash the shells of organic eggs before I crack'em open :)
Wol Euler: very wise.
Agatha Macbeth: As sure as eggs is eggs
Dash Earthboy: remember in "Rocky" they cracked open the eggs and drank it raw?
Wol Euler excuses herself and slips quietly away to another meeting. Goodngiht all, take care.
Dash Earthboy: g'nite Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Yep, bfn
Lia Rikugun: byebye
Dash Earthboy: bye Aggers
Lia Rikugun: I will go to bed too
Dash Earthboy: i must be off too
Dash Earthboy: bye all
Lia Rikugun: good night and thanks for the interesting discussion
Eherim Infinity: Yes, thankyou very much. See you all later.