The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

Hokon Cazalet: hi eliza =)

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Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hokon :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you
Hokon Cazalet: you too =)
Hokon Cazalet: hi stevenaia =)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevie
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Hokon Cazalet: wb stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: seems lag took me into the other area
Hokon Cazalet: aw
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eliza Madrigal: pulled by lag
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Hokon, Eliza, haven't haven;t seen you here this time lately
Eliza Madrigal: :)) I've made a special trip
Hokon Cazalet: yeah alot of times im headed for bed, at work lately ive had early morning shifts
Hokon Cazalet: tomorrow i have no such shift =
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I've wanted to ask you to elaborate on something I read in a log, Stevie..
stevenaia Michinaga: 9/hide
Eliza Madrigal: ah, didn't work, I still see you
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: have to type it correctly, one of my weak points
Eliza Madrigal: sandfish, hm
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I'd be happy to Eliza, if I remember what I meant
Eliza Madrigal: you'd just attended a presentation...
Eliza Madrigal: sounded very intriguing...
Eliza Madrigal: 'dao and wu'
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, yes, a chinese scholar
stevenaia Michinaga: I found a link of a similar talk that had some content about her talk at Brown University, I belive
Eliza Madrigal: ah, great
stevenaia Michinaga: it should have been posted in the log
stevenaia Michinaga: do you have a link to the log handy :)
Eliza Madrigal: Let me see... may have saved it to desktop
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Hokon Cazalet: hi Fc =)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello FcSeeker
Eliza Madrigal: hmm unfortunately I saved a bunch of things to desktop....
Eliza Madrigal: Hi FcSeeker :)
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been to our group before?
FcSeeker Resident: Helo all
Hokon Cazalet: yup he has been
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: friend of ather small attendees perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Hokon Cazalet: yup
FcSeeker Resident: ah btw Hokon
FcSeeker Resident: do you accept the text I have in my profile now ?
Eliza Madrigal: :) Hm... am not finding the session Stevie...
Eliza Madrigal: maybe you remember a bit?
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm looking as well Eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: searching logs
Eliza Madrigal: ah, :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
Eliza Madrigal: wow Paradise, beautiful
Hokon Cazalet: hi paradise =)
Hokon Cazalet: awww
Hokon Cazalet: i do =)
Eliza Madrigal: I just got a phonecall from my son, to pick him up from friend's house... will be back in ten minutes but leave the av here, apologies :))
Hokon Cazalet: ill let her know =)
Hokon Cazalet: @ Fc
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya steve .. ..eliza ..hokon :) Fcseeker :)
stevenaia Michinaga: you have been shopping!
Paradise Tennant: smiles no but i have a big sl closet :)
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Paradise

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stevenaia Michinaga: the talk was difiuclt to absorb as she spoke quickle with a chinese accest in english
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Susan
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Paradise Tennant: hiya susan :)
stevenaia Michinaga: (aside from it being in a university venue)
Hokon Cazalet: hi susan =)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Grollvurk
stevenaia Michinaga: hi susan
iwandertoo Resident: waves
stevenaia Michinaga: have you visited our little group before , Grollvurk?
Paradise Tennant: smiles you are welcome to sit we are just chatting about life :)
stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to join us, we do record our sessions, is that ok to include you?
milakel Resident: hi :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the info marker will give you information about our group
milakel Resident: aww, tiny circle - nice :)
FcSeeker Resident: Hello milakel and Grolivurk
stevenaia Michinaga: or click the little box on the ground there
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Mila
milakel Resident: oh, grol! that's quite an av :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I found it eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: http://events.brown.edu/events/cal/CAL-00149399-2e31aabf-012e-31ae0b8b-00000001events@brown.edu/
Eliza Madrigal: Here I am, just in time!
stevenaia Michinaga: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2011/04/2011.04.20_19%3a00_-_Moments
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mila and Susan :)
stevenaia Michinaga: log link
milakel Resident: *throws breadcrumbs for fishes in the pond*
Eliza Madrigal: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: a friend of mine who chairs the religion department at lehigh university is working on a series of books on various religions and ecology
Hokon Cazalet: oh cool =)
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
milakel Resident: ecological religion? :)
stevenaia Michinaga: more the aspect of religion and how ecology is reflected in their writings and philosophy
stevenaia Michinaga: I presume some more than others
Eliza Madrigal: What jumped out at me from the session was :
Eliza Madrigal: stevenaia Michinaga: Wu = material things, all of which possess Dao stevenaia Michinaga: how things can posses something indescribable :)
Eliza Madrigal: it has a sense of'things' as containers...
Eliza Madrigal: So Alfred asked then isn't 'wu' = without?
milakel Resident: ah, right. as in wu wei.
Eliza Madrigal: which would make sense
milakel Resident: *looks at eliza* deja vu :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: I cannot speak to her translation or if the words are the same, only how she presented them
milakel Resident: possibly it's context related
stevenaia Michinaga: it took me offguard as I am more familiar with it in commection with Wu wei as well

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milakel Resident: stev, why are you standing? :)
milakel Resident: must be an sl bug
Eliza Madrigal: Also then what Sam said, re ecology as the relationship between wu and dao... there is this sense of harmonizing...
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, whenever you switch cushions without standing in between you do that Mila :)
Eliza Madrigal: almost always
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm actually floating above the pillow
Eliza Madrigal nods
milakel Resident: oh, we have to tell Stormy about it
Eliza Madrigal: sort of fun
stevenaia Michinaga: I thinks it;s easier to jsut re-sit than to have Storm re-script all the pillows
milakel Resident: fair enough :)
milakel Resident: let me try it...
milakel Resident: it works :)
stevenaia Michinaga: does anyome know if Lile Darkmatter is on
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: :) no but I know where to find her
milakel Resident: who is she?
stevenaia Michinaga: she had a similar question and said she might come tonight but I don;t keep in contact with her
milakel Resident: ah, i block fc the view sitting here :)
stevenaia Michinaga: she attends now and then
milakel Resident: i don't think i met her
Eliza Madrigal: odd girl
Eliza Madrigal grins
milakel Resident: mmm, odd. i already like her :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: been reading a book Luci recommended as being pivotal in her thinking really enjoying it
milakel Resident: poof
Paradise Tennant: http://www.amazon.com/Spontaneous-Fulfillment-Desire-Harnessing-Coincidence/dp/0609600427#reader_0609600427
milakel Resident: para, what book... ah, thanks :)
Paradise Tennant: is full of pab top;ics :)
Paradise Tennant: local .. non local mind :) really quite engaging
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Lila
Hokon Cazalet: an old friend of mine is showing me her home, im gonna go visit, have a good evening all =)
milakel Resident: lila :)
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya lila :)
Lila Darkmatter: Bye Hokon :)
milakel Resident: say hi, hokon :)
FcSeeker Resident: bye Hokon
Paradise Tennant: good nite hokon enjoy the visit :)
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Hokon, hello Lila speaking of you recently
Lila Darkmatter: what a coincidence
Hokon Cazalet: !
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Hokon Cazalet waves
iwandertoo Resident: :)
FcSeeker Resident: waves
stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to join us tonight Lila
Lila Darkmatter: I remembered that I said I'd attend tonight....
Lila Darkmatter: thanks
stevenaia Michinaga: still drinking from last nights's solstice party here
milakel Resident: para, this chopra is very fruitful on books :)
Lila Darkmatter: :))
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, look like an interesting topic
Paradise Tennant: yes he has written quite a lot I have read maybe two of his previous books this one by far I like the best
milakel Resident: stev, ah, sadly the days are becoming shorter now :/
Lila Darkmatter: ah, the one Luci suggested?
Lila Darkmatter: (gives herself away)
Lila Darkmatter: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: can you give us a book jacket summery
Paradise Tennant: hmmm well en exploration of the local i and the non local .. the reall nature of intention :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: life as we should know it :)
Lila Darkmatter: you may enjoy the end of this morning's session too Paradise
Paradise Tennant: smiles thank you will look forward to reading the log :)
milakel Resident: what are local and non-local selves?
Lila Darkmatter: :)

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Paradise Tennant: well the local i is the self as you see and touch it .. the little me so to speak the nonlocal I is one with the universe we are both :) it seems - infinite beings :)
Lila Darkmatter: :))
Lila Darkmatter: 'heaven in a flower'
FcSeeker Resident: 'drop in the ocean'
milakel Resident: how is it applicable in practice?
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes precisely
Paradise Tennant: well makes us harmonize within and without
milakel Resident: i mean local and non-local. can you give an example?
stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.take2.co.za/books-daoism-and-ecology-hardback-girardot-norman-j-edt-miller-1878730.html
FcSeeker Resident: we all are also behind our pc, but also here in Pab meeting and within each other
milakel Resident: ah, it's a good one, fc :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, where are we really :)
Lila Darkmatter: Thanks Steve...
Lila Darkmatter: wonderful how the two topics arise together in a way
milakel Resident: so, it's about being social? either with your own self or with others, correct?
FcSeeker Resident: :)
Paradise Tennant: on some levels recognizing what you really are
Paradise Tennant: on a small scale and on a big scale
milakel Resident: i think on a small scale you make an assumption and on a big one it's being tested :)
Paradise Tennant: looks at how we really operate
FcSeeker Resident: tested by whom ?
milakel Resident: we get a feedback and tune ourselves accordingly on our small scale
milakel Resident: fc, all of you, right now
milakel Resident: or "universe" in a spiritual sense :)
Paradise Tennant: he tackles such big topics I am at a loss how to boil it down :) what you do day in day out as you .. is just the surface of the entity you are .. there is big depth to you that is enormous
FcSeeker Resident: this baby panda dont believe in any testing
milakel Resident: why not?
milakel Resident: para, i feel the same when study cosmology :)
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Paradise Tennant: yes he provides some good examples but they ar pretty lengthy
FcSeeker Resident: have 'met' so many testigs, but only few such that gives the genuine resolt
stevenaia Michinaga: seems we all all complete, just not always completely formed at any one moment
FcSeeker Resident: and Universe has no need to test
stevenaia Michinaga: *are all
Paradise Tennant: http://deepakchopra.wwwhubs.com/chopra10.htm
Paradise Tennant: here is a bit of summary
FcSeeker Resident: 'they' know already what we are
milakel Resident: fc, it's only "genuine" in a certain framework
FcSeeker Resident: in even in any of them
FcSeeker Resident: if
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Paradise Tennant: like the term energy soup :) how he describes life
FcSeeker Resident: bows humbly to all
FcSeeker Resident: namaste
milakel Resident: that would be plasma :)
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles Fc
Lila Darkmatter bows Fc, Namaste
Paradise Tennant: namaste fcSeeker
milakel Resident: ah, i was about to ask fc who are "they"
Lila Darkmatter: Chopra draws from Nisargadatta quite a bit
Lila Darkmatter: who wrote "I am that"
Lila Darkmatter: 'the ocean is also the drop'
Paradise Tennant: smiles
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Paradise Tennant: good nite susan :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night susan
Paradise Tennant: think I will turn in too .. and disolve my droplet into the ocean :)
Paradise Tennant: thank you for the company and the conversation
milakel Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise
milakel Resident: nice to see you, para
stevenaia Michinaga: you are very welcome
Lila Darkmatter: Thanks Paradise, night!
Paradise Tennant: nite nite stev .. lila milakel namaste :)
Lila Darkmatter: Night Susan (sorry I missed her had looked away just a moment)
milakel Resident: well, i'm off as well
milakel Resident: thank you, girls
Lila Darkmatter: it is interesting how the two topics are complimentary this morning and also coincide with this morning's :)
milakel Resident: be well in both locals :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night Mila
Lila Darkmatter: Night Mila :))
Lila Darkmatter: this evening*
Lila Darkmatter: I hoped to ask also, if you've felt this 'sense of things' in daily life, Stevie...
stevenaia Michinaga: I understand it, not sure I conciously sence it
stevenaia Michinaga: I belive it as I belive in the Dao
Lila Darkmatter: believe as in have a sense of devotion to?
stevenaia Michinaga: some things jsut make sense, yes
Lila Darkmatter: resonance with, ah, nods
stevenaia Michinaga: when in life so much does not make sense, it;s nice when something resonates
stevenaia Michinaga: I think that it being at such a love level, in everything and everywhere, it makes sense that you don;t have to look for "it", just understand it
Lila Darkmatter: a love level, nice

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stevenaia Michinaga: that was a typo, actually, I mean low level, perhaps freudian
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Lila Darkmatter: :))
Lila Darkmatter: neat!
Lila Darkmatter: what you say reminds me of forest practice, too... there is a thing that the cultivator of the forest says... that he arrived there wanting to tap into the magic, so to speak... (paraphrasing)... until he realized that he didn't need to tap in as a'doing' but to listen/be receptive....
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it;s an interesting switch going on from active to passive listening
Lila Darkmatter: and yet hm, attentiveness is active?
Lila Darkmatter: love
Lila Darkmatter: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, all is relative
stevenaia Michinaga: lisening to a tree falling in the woods and knowing a tree falling makes a sound
Lila Darkmatter: I wonder if this scholar has dealt with gardens, in her discussion of dao/wu
stevenaia Michinaga: dealt with? in what sense?
Lila Darkmatter: hm, well thinking of zen rock gardens, that have the emotion and movement of water...
Lila Darkmatter: things like that
Lila Darkmatter: life in the rocks, in the arrangements
stevenaia Michinaga: awww
Lila Darkmatter: thank you for musing with me Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: well Dao follows Zen in time so it is possible
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: always enjoy your company
Lila Darkmatter: thank you, you too :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night
Lila Darkmatter: :)) Night Stevie