2011.06.05 07:00 - View Across Time or Voila

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

Adams Rubble: Hello Xirana :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Adams:)
Xirana Oximoxi: how are your three years and three days in PaB going?
Adams Rubble: hehe
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Adams Rubble: Much the same as the previous ones
Adams Rubble: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :) yes... not a lot of time to change:)
Adams Rubble: no
Xirana Oximoxi: I mean since Thuesday
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: just a weekend
Xirana Oximoxi: but if we talk about time.. sometimes a week can seem an eternity:)
Adams Rubble: excuse my my computer had become unplugged and I had to plug it in
Xirana Oximoxi: when we are happy, time goes quick... when we have problems time goes slow
Adams Rubble: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: ok, np:)
Adams Rubble: Hello Tallin :)
Tallin Dezno: hi ladies
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Tallin:)
Adams Rubble: Have you been here before Tallin?
Tallin Dezno: this is a bertram´s alt ...
Adams Rubble: ahhh, thanks
Tallin Dezno: so : yes , ty :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh nice to see you Bertram's alt :)
Adams Rubble: The time session exercises were interesting last week. have not yet read this weeks' exercise
Tallin Dezno: *smile* very kind ty again ! ... :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: I haven't either... I will try to do it this week
Tallin Dezno: i think, i never visisted or read a time session sadly - not enough time to do everything (!) ... ;-)
Adams Rubble: yes, of course
Adams Rubble: I said that as a reply to Xirana's question about me
Tallin Dezno: modern life, especially with the net, gives so much things we can do (!) ...
Adams Rubble: about change
Tallin Dezno: okay - change ?
Xirana Oximoxi: I've come to the lasts ones... and it's nice the way Pema has to write his book... sharing opinions and talking with others...interesting
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes... I agreee...one must choose
Adams Rubble: The exercises last week were new
Xirana Oximoxi: since I come here to sl, I don't watch tv :)... only the news
Adams Rubble: looking at ourselves from the future and from the past
Adams Rubble: I looked at myself from my first day in PaB last week :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ah... to try to imaginhe us in the futere?

We decide to try the exercise from the last time session during the break

Tallin Dezno: great idea !
Tallin Dezno: great exercise ...
Adams Rubble: would you like to try it during the next break?
Xirana Oximoxi: I find easier to look at myself from the past
Tallin Dezno: sure , yes - from where shall we look at us ?
Adams Rubble: either end is fine :)
Adams Rubble: or in the middle
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Adams Rubble: or looking at our past self or future self from the present
Tallin Dezno: oh. may be that will be too much and confusing for me, in such a short time : only 90 seconds ... ;-)
Adams Rubble: just choose one :)
Tallin Dezno: i´ll try to do so ! :-)
Adams Rubble: At the time session Pema looked at himself from the microorganisms in his body
Tallin Dezno: so many ideas ... he has ...
Adams Rubble: hehe, yes
Xirana Oximoxi: wow... more difficult:)

I later learned that I missed Tallin's next comment that he wa going back to his first day in Second Life. I thought it was the first day in PaB which will explain my comments later

Tallin Dezno: i think, i´ll try to look from my first sl day ...
--BELL--
Tallin Dezno: great. did you also look at yourselves ? :-)
Adams Rubble: Would would like to start or do you vote for me. hehe
Adams Rubble: who would
Xirana Oximoxi: I can see also from the past... and I'm sure internet has changed my life ..in a very good sense.
Xirana Oximoxi: giving me a lot of possibilities, like studying again and later.. coming to SL and knowing a lot of interesting people from I can learn a lot of things
Xirana Oximoxi: and now I vote for you Adams:))
Tallin Dezno: hehe. i simply agree and wait :-)
Adams Rubble: nice thoughts Xirana :)
Adams Rubble: Since I already had looked at myself from the future...
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Adams Rubble: I went a step further..
Adams Rubble: and looked at the present from the future after my death
Adams Rubble: and most at the people around me
Xirana Oximoxi listens interested
Adams Rubble: and I saw that the little kindnesses add to their life
Adams Rubble: and other wise they went along just fine
Adams Rubble: a reminder of what is important
Adams Rubble: done
Tallin Dezno: okay ...
Xirana Oximoxi: kindnesses!!! very easy and importan to get a better ligfe
Xirana Oximoxi: *life
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Tallin Dezno: as i already said, i tried to look from my first sl day
Adams Rubble listens
Xirana Oximoxi too
Tallin Dezno: and it was and is always a bit heavy for me to remind : bad memory, sadly - but ...
Adams Rubble: :(
Tallin Dezno: i remembered first how it was and what i expected and it was, as so often in my life : i did not exspect anything, was simply open to what would appear
Tallin Dezno: the only thing i "knew" was : it was what i had waited for already before i knew sl - that such a simulation would come, was very clear to me
Tallin Dezno: and that i will use it as long as i will be able to do that - if i don´t err ;-)
Tallin Dezno: so i had no idea in which way it would be for me there / here
Tallin Dezno: i had not exspected that i would meet people here in the way i did and do now
Tallin Dezno: that i find first life girl friends here and also a group, which i can meet all over the world
Tallin Dezno: i thought it would be more a game, but i was silly not having thought about this ;-)
Tallin Dezno: that´s all so far - done :-)
Adams Rubble: thank you Tallin.not silly :)
Adams Rubble: When you look at yourself from there do you see changes in yourself?
Adams Rubble: or is that too personal?
Xirana Oximoxi: I was absolutely not aware of what SL was... just came from Goehte Institut website for a German course... and now I feel like you Tallin
Adams Rubble wandered into the Zen retreat (the home of PaB then) loooking for someone to talk to about Buddhism
Tallin Dezno: no. it´s okay to me ( @ the changes) and *smile* at xirana :-)
Adams Rubble: I was very nervous too
Xirana Oximoxi: I've changed... I'm sure.. but I don't know exactly how
Tallin Dezno: and i wait again, whether you both want to say first something regarding to the last question adams put
Adams Rubble: I have shed things while in PaB
Adams Rubble: so I am traveling lighter in that sense
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: it's a important complement to my life, and for a while I was worried of thinking if it was good or not, if I was becoming internet addict, but now... I find SL so related and connected with real people that it bothers me no more:)
Adams Rubble knows about internet addiction :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Adams Rubble attended many many sessions that first summer
Adams Rubble: my schedule has forced me to cut back on that now
Adams Rubble: that time was a very good time
Adams Rubble: Hello Milakel :)
Xirana Oximoxi: if you feel it like this it's sure it was positive to you
milakel Resident: hi girls :)
milakel Resident: tal :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi MIla:)
Adams Rubble: yes it was Xirana
milakel Resident: xir, when i see you i think of siesta and a sunny happy day :)
Xirana Oximoxi: lol
Adams Rubble: Milakel we were talking about looking at our present from the future and past an exercise from the time session and we have since moved to looking at ourselves when we first came to paB and vice versa
Tallin Dezno: yes : this "having shed" is a thing to me either. and i made new experiences. especially with girls i must admit. it came totally unplanned. and the same, we can find on the net, i found here as well : that people live more their true wantings, willings and so to say "needs" - and when they have done what they couldn´t do before - they come to a more relaxed state - so are my impressions ...
Tallin Dezno: hi mila :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: welll... that's a nice topic... in Spain it also rains..where I live we have a storm every afternoon:)
milakel Resident: thank you, adams, for heads up :)
milakel Resident: xir, storm is beautiful too :) a nice contrast to a still sunny morning :)
Adams Rubble: The storms are interesting in their own right but also help us appreciate the sunshine
milakel Resident: *nods*
Adams Rubble: thinking about the storms generated in myself in PaB :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Stevenaia :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I agree about sl letting live true wantings, Tallin... in rl there are usually more inconveniences, problems, limitations
milakel Resident: stev :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi stevenaia
Adams Rubble: Steve, we were talking about looking at our present from the future and past an exercise from the time session and we have since moved to looking at ourselves when we first came to paB and vice versa
stevenaia Michinaga: hiya
stevenaia Michinaga: thx adams
Adams Rubble: Steve was one of the very wise people here when I first arrived in PaB
stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
Adams Rubble: I learned from so many
stevenaia Michinaga: yet I have learned so much since coming here
milakel Resident: adams, i think we do that all the time, missing on the momentary experience :)
milakel Resident: stev is wise, indeed :)
Tallin Dezno: sry - was shortly distracted and read then what was written meanwhile - hey steve again ! :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: better to let other notice that
stevenaia Michinaga: others
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Tallin
stevenaia Michinaga: anyone know what those questionmarks are above my head>
milakel Resident: *looks*
milakel Resident: i don't see anything
Adams Rubble: I don;t see them
Xirana Oximoxi: steve..I think it means your connexion goes slow..I don't see it
stevenaia Michinaga: below my group?
stevenaia Michinaga: ok
milakel Resident: i only see your name in v2
stevenaia Michinaga: I just upgraded to a new version of Phoenix
Adams Rubble: I still have the old version on this computer
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes..I only see your name, not the tag of groups
Xirana Oximoxi: v2
Adams Rubble: I see = Listener =
stevenaia Michinaga: no "listener"?
stevenaia Michinaga: oh ok
milakel Resident: i think lindens are phasing out v1 this summer
stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, back to present viewing

Stevenaia asks a question about time perspectives and we arrive at "voila"

stevenaia Michinaga: can you explain how the present can be looked at from the future w/o it being the past?
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: do you see changes in yourself since you come to SL, Mila and Stevenaia?
Adams Rubble: No Steve but...
Adams Rubble: I looked at my present from how I might imagine I would think about it in the future
stevenaia Michinaga: awww, :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I suppose it's an exercise of imagintaion... but more difficult than seeing us from the past, I think
stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose it is the same as if "someone else" is observing you
Adams Rubble: yes, in a way
stevenaia Michinaga: as what they see has alreadyy past, but it is the present for them
Adams Rubble: when you look into the past you can easily see what was important and what was not
Adams Rubble: in a way you can make that jump by looking from the future
stevenaia Michinaga: so substituting you for them... and voila
Adams Rubble likes the voila
Adams Rubble: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)

I ask about Steve's first day in PaB and later learn I had interviewed Steve about this very subject.
 

Adams Rubble would be interested to hear Steve's thoughts about the first day in PaB. has never heard it
milakel Resident: looking from the future is our worries, hopes and fears
milakel Resident: *nods to adams*
stevenaia Michinaga: fist day at PaB was an invite from pema... I think he and Sim and other were chatting, the terms they used felt cloudlike to me, dificulat to grasp as it was unfamiliar, so I stuck around until things solidified and meaning became clearer
stevenaia Michinaga: *Stim
milakel Resident: :)
Adams Rubble: wow, what a first session
milakel Resident: was it in the tea house?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: it can be located somewhere in the logs, I belive the date is in the chronicals
Adams Rubble: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chronicles/Chapter_07%3a_Autumn/D._Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: thx adams
Adams Rubble: had to jog my memory a bit
stevenaia Michinaga: there was an attraction ... sometimes it;s nice to be seeking without worrying about the answer
Adams Rubble: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: what is being, what is time, what is Dao, the answer changes with time and exposure to asking the questions
Adams Rubble: our perceptions of things
Adams Rubble: gaining a wider view
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes the answer is that there is no answer, so learning about the exploration is the pleasure
milakel Resident: *reads pema's question from the log: "how to get myself look decent as an avatar"* :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)))
Adams Rubble: no need to start a war over the Truth :)
milakel Resident: let's buy pema a new shirt :)
stevenaia Michinaga: (usually frustrates people)
milakel Resident: "no answer" is frustrating, indeed
stevenaia Michinaga: or not...:)
Adams Rubble: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes..it depends of the answer
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: Thank you all for your contrbutions; this was a good session :)
stevenaia Michinaga: most religions don't seem to be frustrated with questions about God, for instance (perhaps because you may be beaten if you ask) but few are frustrated by it
Adams Rubble: haha Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: (a good comment to depart with)
Tallin Dezno: i like that "frustra" in latin means something like "to no avail" ...
Xirana Oximoxi: thanks Adams and all.. very nice talking about our visions from the past/future :)
Tallin Dezno: yes : ty , everybody
Adams Rubble was glad not to have been beaten for questions about God
Adams Rubble would have lots of bruises
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I go to the Guardians session now..see you all soon:)
stevenaia Michinaga: nice seeing you all again, nice meeting you Tallin
Adams Rubble: bye Xirana. I will have to miss that today
Xirana Oximoxi: bye then:)
milakel Resident: i'm off as well
Adams Rubble: bye all who are going and thanks again
milakel Resident: thank you for the company
Tallin Dezno: bye all leaving avatars ! ;-)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye MIla :)
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: ;)

My question to Tallin first confuses and than clarifies Tallin's initial statement about first day in SL. We talk about being new in Second Life

Adams Rubble: It was good you hung in and stayed in PaB Tallin :)
Tallin Dezno: sry ? i don´t understand ... can you express this in other words again pls for the silly german ? ... sry ...
Adams Rubble: ahhh, an idiom
Adams Rubble: I was thinking about your comments about your first session
Adams Rubble: I am glad you stayed
Tallin Dezno: my first session ? wasn´t it steve who spoke about it ?
Adams Rubble: you did first
Adams Rubble: "hang in" is slang for not giving up
Tallin Dezno: oh. i don´t think so, sry - perhaps i expressed again false or misunderstandable : i had wanted to tell about my very first day on sl, not at pab
Adams Rubble: ohhh, in SL
Tallin Dezno: yess
Adams Rubble: sorry I musunderstood
Adams Rubble: or more likely misread
Adams Rubble: thank you for clarifying
Tallin Dezno: but your comment may be fitting nevertheless ;-)
Adams Rubble: :)
Tallin Dezno: and ty for such a nice comment :-)
Adams Rubble: After I arived in sl, I looked aroun d a bit and did not come back for three months
Tallin Dezno: hmmm - to me - as said before already a bit : i knew that i would love such a simulation
Tallin Dezno: and i like to do many things here , especially meeting people ...
Tallin Dezno: and only a few weeks after my first log in here i met a girl ... hm
Tallin Dezno: before i played with all the possibilities here and tried out what one can do, explored ...
Tallin Dezno: for sure, we then continued doing that ... but mostly as a couple then ...
--BELL--
Tallin Dezno: and i won´t forget, that i found by chance such a beautyful islanf of such a nice guy (he was / is from england) and we were there so often without havin something rented there - it was so wonderful - empty ! he had not built the sim full and over and over with many things - that was soo niice ...
Tallin Dezno: oops - sry
Adams Rubble: SL is best with friends
Tallin Dezno: but he couldn´t hold it "forever" - was a kind of expensive joy (!) ... ;-)
Adams Rubble nods
Tallin Dezno: yes - but i never became very close or familiar with that man - berry was and is his name - but nevertheless he was soo friendly with us newbies and always said : be here and enjoy and such things - that was great
Adams Rubble: that was a nice start
Tallin Dezno: although he often or even mostly had not much time
Tallin Dezno: yes - we were lucky having found such a jewel ! :-)
Tallin Dezno: and i´m very impressed of the possibilities which we have here
Tallin Dezno: to explore and to develop - just as we like to do - actually everything which is possible in virtual worlds so far (!) ...
Adams Rubble: yes, many of the limitations of Real life are removed
Adams Rubble: we can look at ourselves from different perspectives
Adams Rubble: Thank you Tallin
Adams Rubble: I hope you have a very goood evening
Tallin Dezno: ty2 adams !
Tallin Dezno: ty - would be nice - you 2 pls : a very nice time you may have
Adams Rubble: thank you :)
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
Tallin Dezno: bfn :-)