2011.09.05 07:00 - Freeling the Wildness

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, joined by oO0Oo, FcS, Bruce, Corvi, Eos, Susan, SophiaSharon, Dash, Yakuzza, Stevenaia, Xiriana, Santoshima, Druth, and Zen.

Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Hi
Eliza Madrigal: Forgive my puttering...
Eliza Madrigal: Hope I haven't buried your cushion FcS :)

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eliza, Fc
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Eliza O
oO0Oo Resident hears a little bell and feels warm fur next to legs
FcSeeker Resident: smiles <3

FcSeeker Resident: Hello Dash
oO0Oo Resident: Beautiful flowers.. hearkenig wellness. Are you feeling a little better Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Dash
Dash Earthboy: hey y'all
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, and for asking 0... yes a bit better, tad weak
oO0Oo Resident: *harkening
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all :) What light and happy topics come to mind today?
Dash Earthboy: hey Yaku
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yaku :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Yaku
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: covered in flowers
Yakuzza Lethecus: it feels very relaxing :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, yes :)
Dash Earthboy: had a wonderful discussion last night with ppl from Egypt & Italy about linguistics problems in communications
Dash Earthboy: followed by equally fascinating discussion with cognitive neuro-scientist
Dash Earthboy: hey Susan
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello susan, can you elaborate upon that dash ?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
FcSeeker Resident: hi Susan
Dash Earthboy: dang connection
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Susan

Dash Earthboy: the two conversations were somewhat related

iwandertoo Resident: waves
Eliza Madrigal: hehe.... someone here has way more flower power than I do
Eliza Madrigal: Was this in SL Dash?
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Dash Earthboy: the gist of the linguistics discussion was that people who are just learning English are percieved, especially by the less-educated in the US, as being ignorant of many things, just because they don't know certain words
FcSeeker Resident: Hello stevenaia
Dash Earthboy: Eliza, this was at a hostel Labor Day party last night where I pigged out and ended up singing/playing autoharp by request
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Stevenaia
Dash Earthboy: hey stev
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey steve
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Stevie :)
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
iwandertoo Resident: waves
stevenaia Michinaga: trying to find pillows
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Dash Earthboy: the gist of the discussion with the cognitive neuro-scientist was that her work involved studying how to better understand how to avoid misunderstandings among human beings
Dash Earthboy: because of how the brain works

stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a lifelong study
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful, yes... seems a good lifelong study for us all in some ways... healthy communication
Dash Earthboy: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Shall we consider 'positive communication' in the upcoming pause?
Dash Earthboy: they seemed to appreciate my relating sharing of thoughts with each other to programming a computer
Dash Earthboy: or trying to work with a computer at all

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice pause, thank you
Eliza Madrigal: Morning, Eos :)
Eos Amaterasu: morning, gathered beings :-)
Dash Earthboy: morning Eos
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: morning eos
Eliza Madrigal: we're being wrapped in flowers today
Eliza Madrigal: and discussing 'communication' so far :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eos
Dash Earthboy: these discussions took place at the party after I had spent the afternoon hiking and climbing
Eliza Madrigal: sounds as though you are enjoying Colorado... very pleased for you

Dash Earthboy: i seemed to return from that refreshed and able to express my thoughts more clearly to others
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: fresh air/circulation :)
Dash Earthboy: increased awareness :)

Dash Earthboy: in speaking with others there, none had noticed the goldenrod in bloom
Dash Earthboy: nor the wild blueberries at their feet
Dash Earthboy: nature speaks to me
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Dash Earthboy: nature says "here's beauty, here's medicine, here's food"
Eliza Madrigal smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: it aways speaks, few listen

Eliza Madrigal: sounds lovely... and I wonder from everyone else... have we all had chances to be outdoors or in refreshing conversations?
Dash Earthboy: and it was kind of exciting to be where there have been bear problems as recently as Sept 1
Dash Earthboy: hey Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Morning, Bruce :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Bruce Mowbray: Good day -- (looking for cushion).
Eos Amaterasu: ~~
Eliza Madrigal: next to Eos and Sam perhaps Bruce? :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Bruce
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bruce
Bruce Mowbray listens to catch the drift of conversation.
Dash Earthboy: listens for answers to Eliza's question

stevenaia Michinaga: to hot this summer for ourdoors conversations :(
Eos Amaterasu has been enjoying the front porch and its hosting of refreshing conversations
Eliza Madrigal: well indoor conversations can be refreshing Stevie :)
Eliza Madrigal: and have the feel of circulation and 'nature'
stevenaia Michinaga: of course
stevenaia Michinaga: usually with fresh flowers from our garden
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice :)
Eliza Madrigal: Visitors Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: a little bit of circulation of people over the last week, yes, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Here, it has been raining a great deal, and I've been sleeping a great deal, and having interesting conversations in dreams
Eliza Madrigal: I tend to think of nature as outdoors, but not so, eh?
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Xir.
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)

Eliza Madrigal: after all, what are we?

Eos Amaterasu: HI Xirana
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana :))
Xirana Oximoxi: wow...wonderful flowers!!!!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi xiri
iwandertoo Resident: hi xirana
Eliza Madrigal smiles and promises to learn to arrange better
Dash Earthboy: hey xirana
Eliza Madrigal: hope you can see and be seen
Eos Amaterasu reconnects with nature within and without him

--BELL--

Xirana Oximoxi: welll it has not been easy..but now yes :)))
Dash Earthboy: :)2SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :D (through the flowers)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon! Morning :)
Dash Earthboy: hey Sharon
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Sophia:)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Sharon.
Eos Amaterasu: Hi SSL
iwandertoo Resident: waves
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Xir, Hi SSL
Xirana Oximoxi: Sharon or Sophia...which one do you prefer?..or the two?
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: morning ssl
SophiaSharon Larnia: either or :) sharon is fine
Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)

Eliza Madrigal: I realize it may be a tad difficult to locate a cushion....
Eliza Madrigal: between Dash and Eos, or Sam and Eos...
Dash Earthboy: lafs
Eliza Madrigal: I'll introduce you to the group in IM once you've found a spot :) Please join us
Dash Earthboy: little blue things Visitor
Eliza Madrigal smiles

Eliza Madrigal: your sentence was such a nice way to enter the pause, Eos 'reconnect with nature within and without'... took a deep deep breath
FcSeeker Resident: takes a humble bow
Dash Earthboy: bye Fc
FcSeeker Resident: namaste
iwandertoo Resident: waves
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Fc
Eliza Madrigal waves to FcS
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Fc.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, bye and hi :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.

Eliza Madrigal: My goodness, must be a holiday
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Zen :)
stevenaia Michinaga: a rainy cool holiday here
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye FC :)
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Fc.. Hi Zen
Dash Earthboy: it's a jungle out there
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Zen Arado: .Hi all
Dash Earthboy: hey Zen
iwandertoo Resident: waves
SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
oO0Oo Resident: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia giggles

Eos Amaterasu: one of the challenges of our time: how to keep the wildness of the jungle out there, our ecosystem, as well as our own natural wildness

oO0Oo Resident giggles
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Eliza Madrigal giggles
oO0Oo Resident: yay!
SophiaSharon Larnia: the jungle and wildness is the natural world
Eliza Madrigal: silent giggle :)
oO0Oo Resident: wild giggle
Eliza Madrigal: Wildness... now there's a topic :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: is that keeping the natural world out there, or do you mean our baser instincts, whatever those are
Zen Arado: biodiversity
Eos Amaterasu: our truly base instincts are probably quite wild and healthy
Dash Earthboy: lafs
Dash Earthboy: (healthy laugh)
Eliza Madrigal: how do we keep/allow the healthy wildness amidst cultivating and communicating?
Bruce Mowbray does not HAVE these instincts (and their body); he IS these instincts and their body.
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Bruce

Bruce Mowbray also smiles - at himself?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Wildness is healthy - - - so what is UN-healthy?
Eos Amaterasu: "spontaneity" is one approach to that question (cultivating wildness: a paradox)
Eos Amaterasu: fearful acting out seems UN-healthy

Bruce Mowbray: "In wildness is the preservation of the world." -- Thoreau.

SophiaSharon Larnia: compartmentalization is unhealthy imho
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Sharon -- and adds to that: ideologies of compartmentalization.
Eliza Madrigal: over containment?
Zen Arado: http://www.cbd.int/
Eos Amaterasu: containment builds up pressure
Eliza Madrigal: maybe we can smile at our wild selves in the next pause :))
Zen Arado: convention on biological diversity
Eos Amaterasu: smile in the wild
SophiaSharon Larnia: growls in the wild lol

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Mrawwwww...

oO0Oo Resident: paradise introduced a 5 minute video ~ David Abram talking about the distinction between choas and wildness... quite good I thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HRR4Mee8Ec People may have seen this from previous session.

Xirana Oximoxi: I usually feel that my wild self is under control...and mostly not self control:))

SophiaSharon Larnia: (whoops didnt mean to say that before the bell :/)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Corvi.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Corvi
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Corvi :)
Dash Earthboy: hey Corvi
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Corvi
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Corvi
Eliza Madrigal: Xirana do you mean contained by circumstances?
Zen Arado: Hi Corvi
Eos Amaterasu was noting open and unrehearsed quality of perception: feel of breeze, ....
stevenaia Michinaga: hi COrvi
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...and by all the rules of our societies:)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hard to see amidst the flowers
SophiaSharon Larnia was noting the frenitc quality under the word 'wildness'
Xirana Oximoxi: when I was younger I was quite more wild :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: frentic
Zen Arado: weren't we all ...sigh
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I let my thoughts go wilder than I did when young, unless we mean very young
Eos Amaterasu: animals in the wild are generally not frenetic; nor are plants :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: no
stevenaia Michinaga: listens for stories abput our wild youth and where they went
Eliza Madrigal grins at Stevie
Eos Amaterasu: wildness ≠ reactivity
Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles at Stevie
Eos Amaterasu: youth seeks to break out of boxes, constraints

stevenaia Michinaga: did we learn NOT to be wild, or something else (loose the ability)
Eliza Madrigal: ah... well wild animals in wild environment, no disagreement there... context makes sense
SophiaSharon Larnia: taught to be 'civil'
Dash Earthboy: pax et bonum y'all
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Dash.
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Dash, enjoy the day
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Dash
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye dash
iwandertoo Resident: waves
oO0Oo Resident: pax Dash
Eliza Madrigal: we've been civily engineered, Sharon?
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Dash
Zen Arado: p&b Dash
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs, i think so
Eliza Madrigal: hehe

Eliza Madrigal: is intutition 'wild'?
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, D
SophiaSharon Larnia: it cant be tamed very well, so my guess is yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: at least not by this avatar
Zen Arado: will look up in Wikipedia
Eliza Madrigal: :)) yes ... was thinking that too... spontaneous...
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: doesn't come when I say come

Bruce Mowbray: Too often, I feel, becoming "civil" means learning NOT to trust your intuition. . . and wildness is sacrificed with that.
Eliza Madrigal: I can make way, perhaps, but too sterile an environment and it rebels
Zen Arado: uncontrolled
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Bruce
SophiaSharon Larnia: rational vs intuitive?
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps, Sharon.
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb

Zen Arado: what's wrong with naturism?
Zen Arado: intuitively?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: what is naturism, zen?
Bruce Mowbray: "Others" might punish or shame us for trusting ourselves. . . so primary awareness and primary impulse both suffer.
Zen Arado: being naked
Eos Amaterasu: we already are
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Zen Arado: you are?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh! Laughs..Iwas thinking it was some philosophy!
Eos Amaterasu: and we cover ourselves in layers

iwandertoo Resident: perhaps the primary awareness doesn't suffer - it becomes more pressing
iwandertoo Resident: (ref to Bruce's comment)
Zen Arado: yeh our true self is naked
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Susan -- I am freeling that "press" more and more - and wanting to honor it.
iwandertoo Resident: nods

oO0Oo Resident: *freeling*

Eliza Madrigal smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Bruce Mowbray: honor it both in myself and in others.
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Eliza Madrigal: make enough wild space for our naked selves to run around ... children in sprinklers...?
Bruce Mowbray: feeling and freeing - - combination:freeling!
Eos Amaterasu: freel the next 90 seconds

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now...nice day to all:)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xirana, lovely to see you
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Xirana
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Xirana
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Xir.
oO0Oo Resident: :) Xirana
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Xirana
Eos Amaterasu: bye xir
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Zen Arado: bye Xir
Eos Amaterasu: also depart, bye all
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eos
Eliza Madrigal: I've actually got to duck out as well for a bit... still feeling rather weak with this cold...
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Eos!
Zen Arado: bye Eos
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eos :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Eos
oO0Oo Resident: Bye eos
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: aww feel better Eliza
Corvuscorva Nightfire: and Eliza..hop that gets better
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Corvuscorva Nightfire: quick!
Zen Arado: take care
Eliza Madrigal: let me gather my flowers while I may first...
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks Eliza -- please be well.
oO0Oo Resident: :) Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: :P
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, time to go bye my friends
Zen Arado: bye Steve
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye Stevie
Bruce Mowbray: bye, steve.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Zen Arado: bye all
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Eliza Madrigal: Bye friends departing too
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone who is leaving
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye...
Bruce Mowbray: bye Yaku.
oO0Oo Resident: By zen, yaku ::waves::

Corvuscorva Nightfire scoots closer to the rest
Bruce Mowbray: bye Zen.
Eliza Madrigal: warm hugs
SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh its so much different without the flowers Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Santoshima, I didnt see you :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi santo
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Santo!
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Santoshima Resident: g'morning ...
Santoshima Resident: sorry, slept in
SophiaSharon Larnia: I've gtg too, have fun all!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Sophia
oO0Oo Resident: take care SSL
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Bruce Mowbray: bye Sharon!
Santoshima Resident: bye , expect that will be so ...

oO0Oo Resident: Corvy I must give you credit, as I have started to use the words ooof and ook in chat ;)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm sure I borrowed them myself..they seem to have their own life.

Bruce Mowbray wonders if 'freeling' will have a life of its own.
iwandertoo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: warp and weft oof and ook
Corvuscorva Nightfire: It feels like it!
iwandertoo Resident: i think so...that's a great one
Bruce Mowbray: freels like it to me, too.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: heehee..imagines a whole cloth of oof and ook
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :) a whole cloth HA!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: giggles.
oO0Oo Resident: freeling (yes the wild escaping from you Bruce)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods...freeling!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: freeling is the whole cloth of free and feeling
Corvuscorva Nightfire: for Santo
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

Corvuscorva Nightfire: and came up out of Sam
Santoshima Resident: inspired typo?
oO0Oo Resident: wildly
Corvuscorva Nightfire: heehee
Bruce Mowbray: Instincts doing there thing (without regard for fingers/spelling)
Bruce Mowbray: their*
Bruce Mowbray: (You see, there they go again!)
Santoshima Resident: :)

Bruce Mowbray: Instincts are simply THERE -- not owned or owning (no their).
Corvuscorva Nightfire: One thing people tend to do is to value specific norms.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: which means that alot of things aren't getting valued
Corvuscorva Nightfire: like we speak..and value speech

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Great point, Corvi. . .
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, druth.
iwandertoo Resident: playing...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T36A-H8dPhI
Santoshima Resident: hi druth
druth Vlodovic: hey
iwandertoo Resident: waves
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Heya!
oO0Oo Resident: [listening] ::mind skipping::
Santoshima Resident: ( susan, is ti the cello beat box video?)
iwandertoo Resident: yes
Santoshima Resident: ahhhh
Bruce Mowbray: "Beatboxing" is a new word for me -- although I've seen it done a lot before. It is the making of percussive sonds using the mouth.
iwandertoo Resident: he's very talented
Santoshima Resident: yes, very
Bruce Mowbray: indeed he is. and there are more YouTube vids of it right there, too.
iwandertoo Resident: (my favorite instrument is the cello)
Bruce Mowbray: I loved the one of the flute player and the cellist in the subway - Union Square.
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: he is remarkable! to the heart
iwandertoo Resident: the body motion as well...
iwandertoo Resident: yoyo ma has this same quality of expression...not just the sound, but the full rapture of playing
Santoshima Resident: yes,
iwandertoo Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XISBJ-MJ0HI
Bruce Mowbray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatboxing
oO0Oo Resident: I got a good freeling watching and listening to that
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: hmmm :)))
Bruce Mowbray: This has been fun - and enlightening. Gotta go work on my 99-Days project now.
Bruce Mowbray: Have a happy day.
iwandertoo Resident: waves
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: bye bruce, so nice to see you
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye for now Bruce
oO0Oo Resident: Don't work too hard Bruce... :)))

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: Must also
druth Vlodovic: have fun with it guys
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Santoshima Resident: so long sam, charmed day to you
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Sam
Santoshima Resident: susan is his name kolusola?
iwandertoo Resident: kevin and then olusola
Santoshima Resident: ok, thanks ~ will look for more by this person, wonderful
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: rminds me of throat singing
iwandertoo Resident: how so?
Santoshima Resident: i'll find some links for you and share next time
iwandertoo Resident: ty
druth Vlodovic: 'bye guys
iwandertoo Resident: going to wander
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye ya'll
iwandertoo Resident: bye druth
Santoshima Resident: bye susan, happy wandering
Santoshima Resident: bye druth
Corvuscorva Nightfire waits for Santo to finish what she is saying
Santoshima Resident: oh, sorry, was I mid-sentence?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmmhmmm, according to your typing fingers
Santoshima Resident: mmm
Santoshima Resident: i didn't think i'd find the links today ...
Santoshima Resident: want to hear Tanya Tagaq?

--BELL--

Corvuscorva Nightfire: sure!
Santoshima Resident: it's not beatbox, but she's a throat singer (Inuit)
Santoshima Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjoLZZYASpg&feature=related
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I have been fascinated by throat singing for a long time...a group came to sing at my college
Santoshima Resident: me too, but I've not seen anyone live, only on video and in recordings
Corvuscorva Nightfire: that was the only time..they were...not inuit..monks from the east