2012.10.06 07:00 - "light and shadow"

The Guardian for this meeting was Xirana Oximoxi. The comments are by Xirana Oximoxi.

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Zon!
Zon Kwan: hi Xi
Zon Kwan: how is your day
Xirana Oximoxi: we are having a quite time :-)
Zon Kwan: yes, was afk myself
Xirana Oximoxi: my day is fine ty... wonderful, sunny and warm outside...
Zon Kwan: cool
Xirana Oximoxi: how is your day?
Zon Kwan: not bad
Zon Kwan: a bit lazy
Xirana Oximoxi: ok... :)....wondering about different points of view to express the same thing....it has its own meaning too:)
Xirana Oximoxi: well... lazy on Saturdays is good:)
Xirana Oximoxi: I am also lazy at this time...
Zon Kwan: different points of views ?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... I mean... to say how you are, you can say 'not bad'...or 'good' :)...linguists would analyse it as having different meanings
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zon Kwan: hehe
Xirana Oximoxi: it's similar of seeing a glass of water 'half empty' or 'half full'
Zon Kwan: nods
Zon Kwan: the art of expression
Xirana Oximoxi: the object is similar...but your way to express it shows some subtle differences :)
Zon Kwan: nods, and there are subtle messages
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Zon Kwan: and what is not said is often more interesting
Xirana Oximoxi: using more 'negative' words may mean you are not feeeling very optimistic today (I am talking in general)
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes... that's also very true
Zon Kwan: true
Zon Kwan: you read right
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zon Kwan: feeling little tired
Zon Kwan: so
Zon Kwan: not bad
Zon Kwan: reflects it
Zon Kwan: lol
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:))
Zon Kwan: and i read from you
Zon Kwan: optimism
Zon Kwan: joy
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zon Kwan: fine... wonderful
Zon Kwan: lol
Xirana Oximoxi: there's something very special that happens to me... in SL and also in RL... maybe I am not optimistic one day... and then I meet someone and that makes me feel more happy... so, people usually gets the impression that I am always optimistic...(maybe I am or I try to be:)
Xirana Oximoxi: that's to explain you that today I was...'not bad' too:))

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Eliza:)
Zon Kwan: eliza;)
Eliza Madrigal: Namaste :)
Xirana Oximoxi: we were talking about reading subtle meanings of the words:)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for the note, Xiri - thoughtful of you
Zon Kwan: love your outfit Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Zon :)
Xirana Oximoxi: different points of view in interpreting them
Xirana Oximoxi: yw:)
Eliza Madrigal: you *do* come across as very optimistic Xiri, and agree with Zon re 'what is not said'
Xirana Oximoxi: yes....probably I am optimistic:)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: trying to see the good side of things
Eliza Madrigal: somehow I link optimism with independence
Zon Kwan: we need that
Xirana Oximoxi: but absolutly aware of the 'dark side too
Zon Kwan: how ?
Zon Kwan: independence
Xirana Oximoxi: in what sense Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... thinking about that...
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zon Kwan: dark side is interesting
Eliza Madrigal: it feels like one needs to have a sense of inner resourcefulness to be optimistic
Zon Kwan: cannot be forgotten
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: if unaware of the darkside optimism is just hm... escape?
Zon Kwan: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: I am preparing an exhibit with the topic 'Lights and shadows'...so thinking quite a lot about it lately
Zon Kwan: but nicer escape
Zon Kwan: than pessimism
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: how interesting Xiri
Eliza Madrigal: it transformed my photography to begin to photograph the light rather than objects
Xirana Oximoxi: in my view...the strategy to feel or to be optimistic is to be able to disconnect time to time of the more negative feelings...(if possible)
Zon Kwan: i find dark side fascinating because it is present in subtle way in everything
Xirana Oximoxi: yes exactly:)
Zon Kwan: one should be aware
Xirana Oximoxi: I've made a 3D object to show it... I show it to you:)
Zon Kwan: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: can the dark side be captured?
Zon Kwan: captured ?
Eliza Madrigal: wow Xiri!
Xirana Oximoxi: lol...it's too big here:)
Eliza Madrigal: fantastic!!
Xirana Oximoxi: do you see it...the words have all its shadow opposite
Zon Kwan: yes
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: up/down...sadness...joy
Zon Kwan: i agree Xi
Eliza Madrigal: and is the cone the eye?
Xirana Oximoxi: it is a focus
Xirana Oximoxi: it can be the eye
Eliza Madrigal: ahh, interesting
Zon Kwan: optimism is needed not to get stucked in pessimism
Zon Kwan: to balance
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...we need it....
Eliza Madrigal: you could have easily reversed it too, Xiri - what a wonderful way to show this
Eliza Madrigal: do you think pessimism is the default Zon?
Zon Kwan: yes
Zon Kwan: its getting stuck
Zon Kwan: in one side only
Zon Kwan: not seeing the whole picture
Zon Kwan: only parts
Zon Kwan: and not seeing the beauty
Zon Kwan: of the whole
Eliza Madrigal: lovely - that makes sense
Eliza Madrigal: that makes beauty the default actually
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... maybe it's a matter to have some training doing it...it's very easy for exemple not to appreciate a rainy day...
Zon Kwan: beauty- goodness . truth
Zon Kwan: are defaults
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: but then we can think that water is imprescidible to live
Eliza Madrigal: seeing the water only in relation to 'what I wanted to do with the day'
Zon Kwan: yes
Zon Kwan: nature might crave for rain
Xirana Oximoxi: imprescindible= essential, indispensable
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Xirana Oximoxi: sometimes if I don't know the English word I try to adapt the Spanish one:)
Zon Kwan: lol
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: feel free to use the spanish :) we have google
Xirana Oximoxi: I've seen in the dictionary that 'imprescindible' does not exist in English
Xirana Oximoxi: google is fantastic....the possibilitiy to translate so many languages...even a complet website
Eliza Madrigal: it is like a grand loophole
Zon Kwan: all information is available
Zon Kwan: we just have to know what to ask
Eliza Madrigal: ah... tricky, that, Zon
Zon Kwan: lol
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...if not we can get lost with so much information
Zon Kwan: yes

Eliza Madrigal: I posted a question to FB this morning: Doesn't it seem that the biggest life puzzles can't be shared openly to everyone, yet might require the insights of everyone to get through...?
Eliza Madrigal: it is like 'how to form the perfect question'
Zon Kwan: hm
Zon Kwan: what does that last part mean ?
Xirana Oximoxi: not sure if I get your question Liz...
Zon Kwan: yet might require the insights of everyone to get through...?
Xirana Oximoxi: it is not good to share openly to everyone personal matters
Eliza Madrigal: well I was thinking about the places I get stuck and realizing I have remarkable friends... each with brilliant angles or insights... but with all of them there are some things I can't share... or feel that I can't... maybe I'm wrong but I don't know
Xirana Oximoxi: not in Facebook
Eliza Madrigal: definitely not in facebook
Zon Kwan: nods
Eliza Madrigal: :) but also in general...
Zon Kwan: the most importan insight cannot be verbalized
Zon Kwan: its subjective
Eliza Madrigal: not because anyone means harm or wouldn't wish to help... it is just that yes, subjectivity
Zon Kwan: its you and the all
Zon Kwan: that must be experienced
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...some things are very subjective and persoanl....difficult to explain even to best friends
Zon Kwan: as you are involved
Eliza Madrigal: ah, indeed
Zon Kwan: subjectivity is one part of the question
Xirana Oximoxi: sometimes I don't understand myself also
Eliza Madrigal: !
Zon Kwan: smiles
Zon Kwan: welcome to the club
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Eliza Madrigal: there is a book "strangers to ourselves"
Zon Kwan: perhaps somethings will always remain unknowable
Zon Kwan: by whom, Eliza ?
Xirana Oximoxi: I have not heard about it...but I suppose this is a subject that a lot of people has writen about
Eliza Madrigal: Timothy Wilson
Eliza Madrigal: they have and yet haven't... 'dark side'
Eliza Madrigal: at least we're collectively knowing that we don't know?
Xirana Oximoxi: is it interesting Eliza?
Zon Kwan: whats it about ?
Eliza Madrigal: I thought it was interesting... he goes through various experiments that have been done to show how we think we will react in one way or behave in one way but we're very influenced by environment and conditions
Xirana Oximoxi: we talked about 'ignorance' not long ago... it is not negative if it's taken as the engine to look forward to know more
Zon Kwan: conditioning
Eliza Madrigal: 'taken as the engine' <-- really like that!
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: funny experiments like someone finding someone they meet more attractive if they are in a crisis time in life
Zon Kwan: makes sense
Zon Kwan: responding to their needs
Eliza Madrigal: yes perhaps bringing out vulnerability
Eliza Madrigal: when is your exhibit Xiri?
Xirana Oximoxi: 19-21 Oktober:) ... but it will saty there for a motnh
Xirana Oximoxi: I've used Google translator to translate all the website that is in German... this is the link:)
Xirana Oximoxi: http://translate.google.es/translate...x.html&act=url
Eliza Madrigal: ah, thanks
Xirana Oximoxi: they prepare a lot of activities...3 days of readings, music...
Eliza Madrigal: "Festival of Love"
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)) nice title:)
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful
Eliza Madrigal: great, look forward to that
Eliza Madrigal: Nice seeing you both this morning, interesting topic for the day "light and shadow" :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... in the schedule there are the links to each activity
Xirana Oximoxi: but it will start the 19Oktober
Eliza Madrigal: have to go clean the kitchen... from glamour to mundane...
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Xirana Oximoxi: yes....I will also go now
Zon Kwan: bye Eliza
Xirana Oximoxi: have a nice day Eliza and Zon!! :-)
Zon Kwan: and Xi
Eliza Madrigal: bye Zon :) bye Xiri :)
Xirana Oximoxi: cleaning or beeing lazy...:-)
Eliza Madrigal: ♬ 오빤~~강남 스~타일~~ ♪♪
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye:)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: -«☁ »- 옵.옵.옵.옵. -«☁ »-
Eliza Madrigal: that was meant to be gasso
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ♬ 헤~이 Sexy Lady~~ ♪♪
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Xirana Oximoxi: haha
Zon Kwan: clapps habds
Xirana Oximoxi: nice dance:)
Xirana Oximoxi: fun
Eliza Madrigal: how embarrassing
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Zon Kwan: lol
Xirana Oximoxi: ok...see you soon! :-)
Zon Kwan: more
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now
Zon Kwan: bye..lol