2012.10.14 13:00 - LOSTness revisited: the benefits

    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray, subbing for Aphrodite.

     

    Bruce Mowbray: YO, Wol!
    Wol Euler: hello Bruce
    Wol Euler: how's life?
    Bruce Mowbray: hello hello!
    Bruce Mowbray: Aph just came on-line, so I suspect I won't need to sub for her this session after all.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: Life is EXCELLENT!
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles too
    Bruce Mowbray: YAYYY! Here's APH!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yaaaayyy
    Wol Euler: glad to hear that
    Bruce Mowbray: yayyyy!
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Bruce Mowbray: [grand entrance]
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do i sit?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm using a mac
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear.
    Wol Euler: cmd-leftclick
    Aphrodite Macbain: and i can't right click!
    Wol Euler: aka apple key
    Bruce Mowbray has not a clue.
    Wol Euler: the one beside the spacebar
    Aphrodite Macbain: grr
    Wol Euler: there :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks wol
    Bruce Mowbray: Well done, Aph!
    Bruce Mowbray: and Wol!
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: so good to be back here
    Aphrodite Macbain: staying at my mother's
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yeah, I feel the same, Aph -- having been away for two weeks.
    Aphrodite Macbain: she has no idea what the password to connect to her wifi network so
    Wol Euler: hehehehe
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! So, you're in Ontario?
    Aphrodite Macbain: i had to download firestorm
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- just outside Ottawa
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Wol Euler: why does that make a difference?
    Bruce Mowbray: cooooooooooooooool!
    Aphrodite Macbain: 0.0
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope that your mother is well.
    Aphrodite Macbain: it doesn't
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers!
    Wol Euler: so why do it? I'm confused
    Aphrodite Macbain: and she is, but her memory has been deleted!
    Wol Euler: hello aggers
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG.
    Aphrodite Macbain: why do what?
    Agatha Macbeth: Venice reunion?
    Aphrodite Macbain: download firestorm?
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Wol Euler: yes, that has nothing to do with her wifi password
    Bruce Mowbray briefly ducks out of the conversation and waits for topics to catch up with themselves.
    Aphrodite Macbain: because I can't log into my own little computer, I have to use hers
    Aphrodite Macbain: hey aggers
    Wol Euler: oh, okay.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Aph, Brucie & Wollie ♥
    Agatha Macbeth: Are we talking tech stuff?
    Wol Euler: god no
    Aphrodite Macbain: let's not
    Agatha Macbeth: Good :p
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)


    --BELL--


    Aphrodite Macbain: but could someone take the log because I don't want to download it into my mothers computer
    Bruce Mowbray: Why did getting "lost" get such a bad rap? - - - to ponder during drop.
    Agatha Macbeth: Your mother is in PaB?
    Bruce Mowbray: I will take it, Aph. NP!
    Aphrodite Macbain: tx bruce :-)
    Agatha Macbeth scratches her head
    Bruce Mowbray: np ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame we can't all claim it
    Bruce Mowbray: Woly and I both claimed it. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: HA HA!
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Wol Euler: well, whatever
    Bruce Mowbray: Are we "lost" in all our claimings?
    Agatha Macbeth: Aph, tell your mom it's been taken care of....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am lost. period
    Bruce Mowbray: No worries, mom!
    Agatha Macbeth: Join the club
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe I will never find myself
    Agatha Macbeth: Next life perhaps?
    Aphrodite Macbain: 3rd life?
    Bruce Mowbray: Awwww... You found US - so why could you not also find yourself, Aph?
     Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: good question
    Bruce Mowbray: Alas, here we are.
    Agatha Macbeth looks for Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: my eyes seem to be able to focus outward but not inward
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, I've had that chappenge also.
    Bruce Mowbray: also that challenge.
    Aphrodite Macbain: stone chappenge
    Agatha Macbeth: I enjoy a good chappenge
    Bruce Mowbray: also numerous spelling and typo challenges.
    Bruce Mowbray: I am lost in typos.
    Agatha Macbeth: Good job - you claimed the log Brucie :p
    Bruce Mowbray: But Woly claimed it away from me....
    Aphrodite Macbain: actually I thought the theme for this coming week was not being lost
    Wol Euler: so claim it again
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh she's like that
    Wol Euler: whatever
    Aphrodite Macbain: but something else
    Bruce Mowbray: What did you think it was, Aph?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zon!
    Agatha Macbeth: Is it being lost? Can't remember
    Aphrodite Macbain: I know last week's theme was being lost
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
    Wol Euler: hello zon
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Bruce Mowbray: The board (wondrously created by Bleu) has a topic for this week.
    Aphrodite Macbain: totally lost and enjoying the loss of responsibility that comes with it
    Bruce Mowbray: yep, that's the one.
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah!!! right.
    Agatha Macbeth likes to lose responsibility
    Aphrodite Macbain fiddles with her camera
    Bruce Mowbray: "The opportunities and Dread of being lost. . . "
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh
    Bruce Mowbray ponders doubts and terrors.
    Aphrodite Macbain: strange
    Agatha Macbeth: Lawst
    Bruce Mowbray: and why these would be connected to being "lost."
    Aphrodite Macbain: let's talk about the opportunities
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    Aphrodite Macbain: discovering the unexpected?
    Aphrodite Macbain: (that could be good or bad)
    Bruce Mowbray: I intentionally get "lost" in every major city I visit. . . FOR the opportunities that being lost brings.
    Agatha Macbeth: Truly
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Aphrodite Macbain: like what Bruce?
    Agatha Macbeth: Highways and byways
    Bruce Mowbray: I got lost in Venice... for example.
    Aphrodite Macbain: provide 3 examples and support your thesis
    Bruce Mowbray: (and you did too, right?)
    Bruce Mowbray: kk. THREE examples:
    Aphrodite Macbain: :D
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Venice: -- and when I was lost, I found the Communist Party headquarters of that town - with children playing in front of it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: that makes it scientifically accurate
    Bruce Mowbray: Ex. #2 - Edinburgh:
    Aphrodite Macbain: handy
    Wol Euler: hello san
    Bruce Mowbray: I got lost in the university district (Edinburgh) because the name of the road I was trying to follow changed six times...
    Aphrodite Macbain: was that a good thing or a bad thing Bruce?
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey san :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: but I found some COOOOOL things in sidewalk shops... and bought them to bring home -- and cool people too!
    Bruce Mowbray: and #3 --
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: lost in Panama City...
    Bruce Mowbray: I intentionally got lost there... and found a waif -- a small child selling chewing gum for pennies.. and it has become one of the most endearing memories of my life.
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens
    Bruce Mowbray: also [done]
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Aphrodite Macbain: did you buy all his chewing gum?
    Agatha Macbeth: Like the girl selling matches
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain waves at Zon - hiya
    Bruce Mowbray: I bought TWO of the packages of his chewing gum, but that was just a medium for our connection.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, San!
    Aphrodite Macbain: did he speak English?

    Bruce Mowbray: El dice nada del ingles.
    Bruce Mowbray: The whole encounter lasted about ten seconds -- and it changed my life.
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: wow. how?
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you really want to know that?
    Bruce Mowbray: I will explain if you do.
    Agatha Macbeth: I do
    Aphrodite Macbain: sure!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Bruce Mowbray: I was "lost."
    Aphrodite Macbain: It sounds very important
    Bruce Mowbray: and wandering the back-streets of Panama City -- in areas I had NO BUSINESS being in.
    Bruce Mowbray: so, I was just a bit afraid, maybe.
    Wol Euler: hello korel
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: because, also though I spoke some Spanish, I was way out of my league.
    Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo K
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Kori!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Korel
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Bruce Mowbray: Then this little boy -- maybe seven or eight at the most....
    Bruce Mowbray: comes up to me and wants to sell me some chewing gum...


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: So, [dropping now]
    Aphrodite Macbain: tx
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens for Bruce to continue
    Bruce Mowbray: and I reach into my pants pocket and pull out all the change I can find there . . . and give it to him, saying "Dos chicles por mi, y el dinero por tu!"
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: MY GRAMMAR WAS HORRIBLE!~
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: no matter
    Bruce Mowbray: I should have said "por TI"
    Agatha Macbeth: I think he got the gist ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: he grabbed the money and ran away from the weird Americano as fast as he could.
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe you changed his life too
    Bruce Mowbray: I was a wonderful experience for me.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bruce Mowbray: regarding "expectations" that might result from my giving.
    Bruce Mowbray: It was PERFECT.
    Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
    Bruce Mowbray wonders why he's having so many problems with typos tonight.
    Aphrodite Macbain: how did it change your life do you think?
    Aphrodite Macbain: you have always been generous
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, for one thing, I shared my lostness with a child.
    Bruce Mowbray: That was transformative.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Bruce Mowbray: I also had to 'drop' my expectations of being seen as the "kind" and "generous" Americano. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and that was VERY informative.
    Bruce Mowbray: [done]
    Bruce Mowbray: Others?
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: yw
    Agatha Macbeth: TY Brucie
    Aphrodite Macbain: Has anyone else found a delight in being lost?
    Wol Euler: I seldom get lost, I just don't know the name of where I am
    Wol Euler: as in Venice
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
    Bruce Mowbray: How do you feel when you don't know the name of where you are, Wol?
    Wol Euler: but I do enjoy walking around and not knowing the name of where I am :)
    Wol Euler: I'm comfortable with that
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) Oh yes.
    Agatha Macbeth: I remember when you were in Jerusalem and couldn't read any of the signs ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: It's a sort of relief, no?
    Wol Euler: I know more or less where I am, and where I want to get, and know that if all else fails I can read a map or ask somebody
    Bruce Mowbray: sure!
    Bruce Mowbray: or just follow the Grand Canal back to your hotel!
    Wol Euler: or that
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find that I feel "lost" when I am in certain situations - social or cultural ones- where I'm not sure what is expected of me.
    Bruce Mowbray: Definitely so, Aph.
    Agatha Macbeth: True that Aph
    Wol Euler nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: In those cases I am forced to be very creative or to observe much more carefully than I normally do
    Bruce Mowbray: So, I sometimes need to ask very specifically what is expected.
    Aphrodite Macbain: "reading" the situation
    Aphrodite Macbain: testing the responses
    Agatha Macbeth: Or just say nothing and listen
    Wol Euler grins.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahh! You're far braver than I am, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what - me?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
    Aphrodite Macbain: I tend to chatter when I'm uncertain :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: but the situation does force me to be much more attentive
    Bruce Mowbray ponders being "lost" in one's own chatter.
    Aphrodite Macbain: to clues
    Bruce Mowbray: Here comes Bleu.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yayy
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope.
    Agatha Macbeth: Bleu Sunday
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayyy!'' Hey, Bleu!
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) it's raining here
    Bruce Mowbray: and Boxy, too!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Bleu and Boxy too!
    Aphrodite Macbain: yayy
    Alfred Kelberry: hi!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu and Boxy
    Aphrodite Macbain: the gang's all here
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Bruce Mowbray: YAYYY!
    Alfred Kelberry: Woly girl :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The killer B's
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Boxy
    Bruce Mowbray: We're not lost anymore!
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol Aggers
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, you made it!
    Aphrodite Macbain: hallelujah
    Bleu Oleander: killer B's :))
    Agatha Macbeth: I could have sworn Alf was wearing a bra for one moment
    Aphrodite Macbain: I did- I'm back in Canada
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, it happened once before :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: checks out Boxy's front
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Alfred Kelberry: woly can confirm :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Must be the ruth effect
    Aphrodite Macbain: what have you been eating?
    Bruce Mowbray ponders doggie bras.
    Alfred Kelberry: or mila effect
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, that too
    Agatha Macbeth: How is she btw?
    Bruce Mowbray: afk for a sec.....
    Agatha Macbeth: Akk!
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, the usual. bones and aga's boots :)


    --BELL--


    Agatha Macbeth: An interesting combination
    Alfred Kelberry: well, looks fine on my screen
    Agatha Macbeth: It was the one-second bra effect
    Aphrodite Macbain nibbles on one of Agger's boots
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aph is getting as bad as Alf
    Aphrodite Macbain: and steals a bone from Boxy
    Aphrodite Macbain: noooooo!
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, or as good as me :)
    Bruce Mowbray: steals bone away from Aph.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Aphrodite Macbain: grrr
    Aphrodite Macbain: woof
    Aphrodite Macbain: so- the pleasures of lostness
    Agatha Macbeth: We're back to dogs again
    Aphrodite Macbain: Blue- do you like getting lost?
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you have a bone to pick with me, Aph?
    Aphrodite Macbain raises a quizzical eyebrow
    Bruce Mowbray listens for Bleu's response.
    Bleu Oleander: think that was last week Aph ... Absence this week :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah!
    Aphrodite Macbain: there
    Aphrodite Macbain: absence
    Wol Euler: oh my god
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG! Did I get the wrong week?  LOST, indeed!
    Alfred Kelberry: aph is still lost since last week :)
    Bleu Oleander: you've been absent
    Aphrodite Macbain: I KNEW it was another topic
    Wol Euler: we've been talking on the wrong topic
    Bruce Mowbray: Me too!
    Wol Euler: disaster
    Wol Euler: lost in time!
    Agatha Macbeth: Does it make the heart grow fonder?
    Aphrodite Macbain: absence makes the heart grow fonder
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    Aphrodite Macbain: grrrrow
    Agatha Macbeth throws Aph another bone
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, actually, absence of the absence topic makes it topical :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm holding on to this bone regardless of the week's topic!
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- but then it makes the mind forget
    Aphrodite Macbain: thank god
    Bleu Oleander: can be a good thing
    Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, you keep it. it's a lucky bone.
    Bruce Mowbray feels like he got stuck with one of those minds that just can't forget.
    Aphrodite Macbain: my mind forgets constantly
    Agatha Macbeth: Forgets what?
    Bruce Mowbray: You're fortunate, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: huh?
    Bleu Oleander: impossible to remember everything
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am?
    Alfred Kelberry: i forget people names
    Aphrodite Macbain: I hate it
    Aphrodite Macbain: Especially when I travel
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Fred
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: now where did I put my passport?
    Bruce Mowbray: How can we "drop" if we're constantly remembering things?
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, can be scary
    Aphrodite Macbain: very
    Aphrodite Macbain: very
    Aphrodite Macbain: very
    Agatha Macbeth: We could drop remembering
    Bruce Mowbray: I also lost my passport when in Europe.
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs aph*
    Wol Euler: does drop mean forget? I thought it just meant "don't get attached to"
    Bruce Mowbray: ((((Aph))))
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Boxy and Aggers
    Aphrodite Macbain: and Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, right
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes-but we can get attached to our memories
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, Wol, don't get attached to -- or don't let the memory determine or undermine the present circumstance.
    Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, did you find it later?
    Bruce Mowbray: Find what?
    Aphrodite Macbain: and where did you find it?
    Alfred Kelberry: passport :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: your memory
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh! The passport.
    Bruce Mowbray: YES!
    Alfred Kelberry: where was it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: that was my passport
    Bruce Mowbray: The concierge found it and returned it to me.
    Bruce Mowbray: It was a wonder.
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah
    Aphrodite Macbain: they lost my suitcase in Paris
    Bruce Mowbray: another life-long memory!
    Agatha Macbeth: This is one reason I don't travel
    Aphrodite Macbain: bereft of suitcase and wallet
    Aphrodite Macbain: and credit card
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, what are other reasons?
    Aphrodite Macbain: now that is being lost
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, they did not find your suitcase?
    Aphrodite Macbain: why don't u travel aggers?
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't let the "downside" exclude you from travel, aggers. . . The downside holds wonders beyond imagining.
    Agatha Macbeth: Too much hassle
    Bruce Mowbray: AWWWW!
    Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, true that
    Aphrodite Macbain: eventually - after I bought some new clothes
    Aphrodite Macbain: just got it today
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, nice opportunity to buy new clothes in Paris :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I agree Aggers. Next time I travel I'll take a companion
    Bruce Mowbray notes: only 6 minutes to Bert's meditation.
    Aphrodite Macbain: who will take care of everything
    Bruce Mowbray: No one, aph.
    Agatha Macbeth: This helps immeasurably
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, i'm good with packing stuff. i can help :)
    Bruce Mowbray: That's the wonder of it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK you're hired
    Alfred Kelberry: yay! :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Better not to have everything tied up.
    Agatha Macbeth ponders
    Bruce Mowbray: Leave some room for surprises in you.
    Aphrodite Macbain: If you can keep an eye on my passport wallet and suitcase - I can handle the rest
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Bruce Mowbray: It's a deal., Aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Memory is very important when you travel
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it is.
    Aphrodite Macbain: so if you don't have it- you need someone who does
    Bruce Mowbray: Indeed.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what time was that flight?
    Bruce Mowbray: Bertram in 3 minutes.....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wish you all a happy meditation.
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, if you put things in the same places, less chances they get lost
    Bleu Oleander: hurry up to meditate :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, off to Berti
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha!
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Wol Euler: bye and/or see you there
    Bruce Mowbray loves "Hurry up, meditate!"
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes unless someone steals that place where you put things
    Wol Euler: take care
    Aphrodite Macbain: bye WOL
    Bleu Oleander: bye and take care
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, yes... this is an exception :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye and thanks to you each and all!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks everyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: see you tomorrow Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: meditate well
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off to eat dinner with my mother- and it's only 5pm!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Zon, Korel
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, five o'clock tea
    Zon Kwan: bye all
    Aphrodite Macbain: Boxxy


    --BELL--


    Aphrodite Macbain: waves
    Alfred Kelberry: be good, kori
    Korel Laloix: ciao

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