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2012.10.07 08:00 - Guardians Session: Dark Topics
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No headersAttending this week's guardian session were: Agatha Macbeth : Alfred Kelberry : Aphrodite Macbain : Bleu Oleander : Bruce Mowbray : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : Santoshima Resident : Wol Euler
Two dark topics were chosen for the next two weeks:
1 - The Opportunities and Dread of Being Lost (including doubts and terrors)
2 - Absence - and, How Dark Matters Matter
(individual guardians should feel free to work with the topics if they like, as they like, when hosting their sessions)
We begin...
Agatha Macbeth: and Boxy!
Maxine Walden: hi, Wol and Boxy
Agatha Macbeth: and Lizzie ♥
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ♥ ♥ ♥
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): ah, woly appears
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey all
Agatha Macbeth: and Bleu :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hello Wonderful People
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: hello bleu, eliza
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): maxine :)
boxy's nose: Agatha Macbeth gently squeezes boxy's nose
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): um... happy about Fall, Wol?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): looking very fallish Wol :)
Wol Euler grins.
Maxine Walden: hi, Alfred. So nice to see you!!
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): likewise :)
Wol Euler: it is one of my four favourite seasons
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
Agatha Macbeth: Autumny Wollie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Wol Euler: possibly my favouritest
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I love Fall, but we don't get it until Winter
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): i prefer winter to fall
Bleu (bleu.oleander): october one of my favorite months
Wol Euler: too near the equator
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha us too Eliza
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Wol Euler: brb, going to get a cup of tea before we start
Bleu (bleu.oleander): still around 100 here lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yikes!
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): 37 c
Bleu (bleu.oleander): but it's a dry heat haha
Maxine Walden: we are having an unseasonably sunny, thus colorful fall here; no rain, usually rainy and gray.
Agatha Macbeth: Just as well eh
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so your hair looks better than mine Bleu ^^
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that sounds lovely Maxine
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): is everyone friendlier?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): right! great hair weather
Agatha Macbeth: Too hot to get aggressive I reckon
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Bruce
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Oh Bruce! Surprised to see you
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Brucie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): glad you made it
Maxine Walden: yes, more sunny dispositions than when it is rainy and thus everyone turns inward with melancholy
Wol Euler: hello bruce, nice to see you again
Maxine Walden: hi, Bruce
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): 8:01 - shall we start?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yup
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Stevenaia is attending a funeral today but sends his best to everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Maxine Walden: ah, sorry for his loss
Bleu (bleu.oleander) sends a hug to steve
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, folks. Whay am I having such trouble sitting on a cushion???
Wol Euler: poor stevie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there Bruce, you made it :)
Agatha Macbeth: You look fine to me Brucie
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Sure, Alfred :) Is there a hot topic that has you jumping in your seat?
Agatha Macbeth: A hot Boxy?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): not that i know of
boxy's nose: Bruce pokes boxy's nose
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OK :) just checking...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): There are a few things to bring up...
Bleu (bleu.oleander): I saw Art of Being was on the list ...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes Bleu would you like to begin?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): thanks sure
Art of Being...
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haven't heard from any of the "teams"
Bleu (bleu.oleander): but our team is working on a project
Bleu (bleu.oleander): any others?
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: aph and druth and san and myself are hard at work
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, my team is also working on a project -- San and I.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): with the change of date to Oct 28 gives more time
Bleu (bleu.oleander): great!
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, much appreciated!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): as usual I did not join a team but as the date approaches I begin to panic and feel I should have :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): much to juggle lately
Bleu (bleu.oleander): still time :)
Wol Euler: including rest and recuperation
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): You're still welcome to join "my" team, Eliza.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks Wol, yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and thanks Bruce... fun to be an appreciative audience too
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): i'll send an email note to rally the teams :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yay, thanks Bleu
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Eos :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Eos :)
Wol Euler: hello eos
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Howdy, Eos!
Wol Euler: bye eos :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello E
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): where are you going, eos!?
Wol Euler: take two
Agatha Macbeth: The dreaded sim boundary strikes again
Wol Euler: and .... action
Agatha Macbeth: WB E
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): finding the gaps :)
Eos Amaterasu: Whew!
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: A glitch in the matrix
Eos Amaterasu: Nothing worse than intermittent reality!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs
Wol Euler: heheheh
Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
Maxine Walden: Falling into the multiple realities, Eos
boxy's nose: Bruce pokes boxy's nose
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) wonders if she looks under the floor if there are upside down guardians
Eos Amaterasu: (Wol is festive in fall colors)
Maxine Walden: :))
Wol Euler: /me smiles.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I don't think we've heard from the WG since the last meeting - were there any updates or issues of concern?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Not really, Eliza... Basically we were interested in the Art project and . . . (checks log of WG...)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks Bruce... just let us know if there is something that should/could be addressed I guess
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) is sorry that he doesn't have the log immediately available.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): no worries at all, thank you!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): the last meeting was mostly about Art of Being
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Does Bleu have more to say about the Art Project, though?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): no more
Bleu (bleu.oleander): just rally the teams
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ok. cool, and thanks.
Eos Amaterasu looks for the raven...
SL Retreat...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Next item then, is the upcoming SL retreat...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Nov 9-11
Wol Euler: ah :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): one seat left?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Let's see... Wol, Eos, Eliza, San, Zen, Aph, Agatha (?), Riddle (?), Maxine...
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): so 9 in maximum?
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so really it is about flexibility and how many sessions one might miss and still participate
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): cool, thanks, Wol.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Riddle may have a business trip
Wol Euler: and aggers may have ... ?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): dates are too busy for me to attend
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): just may miss one session, right Aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: May have what?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: if we have people hesitating whether to attend, and others champing at the bit to do so ... then ...
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) listens carefully.
Wol Euler: sooner or later the hesitators must decide
Wol Euler: no pressure :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Eos, would you say more about the structure of the retreat? And then Wol about 'themes' ?
Eos Amaterasu: Hmm....
Eos Amaterasu: well, there is a wiki page that talks about what we've learned so far about doing SL rereats
https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/About_Retreats/SL_Retreat_Patterns
https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/About_Retreats/SL_Retreat_Patterns
Agatha Macbeth: I'll look at that
Eos Amaterasu: one thing is to give it a boundary in time (the weekend) and space
Eos Amaterasu: idea is to meet, be together, in SL, during the retreat, several times per day
Eos Amaterasu: and then when we're in RL, but still in retreat, we are not together
Wol Euler nods.
Eos Amaterasu: play with continuity and discontinuity of those
Eos Amaterasu: also a way to bring SL retreat presence into RL
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes.... in a way it is a solitary retreat, as well as a group retreat
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes, interesting
Wol Euler: the hours away from SL are definitely still part of the retreat
Wol Euler: you are not "off duty" then :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
Eos Amaterasu: Sunday I believe will be a silent day
Eos Amaterasu: silence including the iAirways
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): though we will still meet
Wol Euler grins.
Eos Amaterasu: talking stick approach to discussion during SL sessions
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): silent day? at the retreat?
Wol Euler: hello san
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): On the email list we can begin discussing some of these details also, yes
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, San!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi San
Wol Euler: I'll send you a notecard of what we said so far
Eos Amaterasu: ~~
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi San
Maxine Walden: hi, San
San (santoshima): hello, can't see anybody ...
Eos Amaterasu: the suggestion was made to have a silent day, or period, during the SL retreat
Eos Amaterasu: the silence being no talking except "functional talking"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): each has to ask themselves basically, what is the purpose of retreat and how to work with the silence
Agatha Macbeth: Hello San, we are here :p
San (santoshima): see you now
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eos Amaterasu: and that includes things like email, facebook, twitter, ....
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods :)
Eos Amaterasu: This is the first time we will have done that during a SL retreat
Maxine Walden: (just imagining a burning silent issue which we may have to discipline selves not to focus on during retreat: results of US election just a few days earlier)
Eos Amaterasu: SL/RL, really
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Luci :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: hello luci
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Luci!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): this is true Maxine :))
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Luci
Maxine Walden: :)
Eos Amaterasu: hi Luci
Wol Euler: I'll sned you a notecard of what we said so far
Maxine Walden: hi, Luci
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Luci
Lucinda Lavender: HI sorry to be late!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thank you Wol
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Wol
Wol Euler: yw
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Wol would you like to say something about theme of the retreat?
Wol Euler: the general theme this time will be Pema's formulation "Being Seen"
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) listens.
Wol Euler: as in letting yourself be seen
Wol Euler: we spend so much time and effort raising defenses and images
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): it will be a silent retreat? no talking?
Wol Euler: no, boxy, just silent period on the sunday
Wol Euler: lots of talking other times
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): ok
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): one week?
Wol Euler: two and a half days
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it is a RL retreat with SL supports, which in a sense is a solitary retreat with group supports
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Nov. 9-11
Wol Euler: eliza mailed the group about this several times, most recently I think on the 30th
Eos Amaterasu:
We will start with a short session 2 pm SLT, Friday:
We will start with a short session 2 pm SLT, Friday:
a short check-in with one another, and meditation
Then, on Saturday and Sunday we will meet:
6 am - 8 am SLT (10 am - Noon am AST)
1 pm - 3 pm SLT (5 pm - 7 pm AST)
RL walks and informal meeting in between
Silent in-between time on Sunday
Silence: no web, email, as well as talking
Wol Euler: ty
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks Eos
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): ouch, no web for 2.5 days
Eos Amaterasu: (no web for 1 day)
Wol Euler: silence during the silent time
Wol Euler: not silent during the not silent times :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... just a window of silence really Boxy :)
Wol Euler: don't worry :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): a taste
Agatha Macbeth: Be happy
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Wol Euler: perhaps that might be a special issue you might consider :)
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): 1 day i can handle :)
Wol Euler: let your internettedness be seen :)
Wol Euler: (back to the topic :)
Eos Amaterasu: STDOUT => dev/null
Wol Euler: ha!
Wol Euler: our suggestion is that we consider what the theme means for each of us
Agatha Macbeth: なるほど^^
Wol Euler: how (whether) it applies to us
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
Wol Euler: and consider that during the togehter times and also in the private meditation time
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we have time to share and work out details in the group, but it seemed a good idea to discuss here a bit too
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (there is a separate email group for those who are committed to the time)
Wol Euler: ideally we'd like to have a structure agreed among those who will take part, before it begins
Maxine Walden: wonderful theme, seems very pertinent and timely, in my view
Wol Euler: so we can go smoothly into the session
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... it has been a while, and it is hoped there won't be as long of a gap between this and the next one
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So maybe that is enough on that item for now :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) peeks at agenda.... ah, does anyone have thoughts on Pila's idea of an Ethics workshop?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I hope you'll have a meeting place that will not leand itself to interruptions from those not in the retreat itself.
Wol Euler: hopefully ;) there is a special area for it, but there is no way to prevent people from TPing in
Bleu (bleu.oleander): say more about the ethics workshop ...
Lucinda Lavender: oops friends I will be torn attentionwise here... will read up shortly...getting ims in RL of import
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): i think any workshop initiative is a great idea
Eos Amaterasu: We had an informal ethics workshop a few years ago (on Varela's 'Ethical Know How')
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I think Pila's idea is excellent -- especially since I Ching will probably end at the end of this year.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Ohh okay Luci, tc
San (santoshima): bye luci
Bleu (bleu.oleander): really liked Varela's book
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): sitting on my desk atm :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eos Amaterasu: Wow!
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): did pila propose to lead it?
Lucinda Lavender: I am not leaving...just in two worlds
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Pila did not...
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): aww
Maxine Walden: :), bleu
Wol Euler: you can, boxy :)
Agatha Macbeth: Only two Luci? ;-)
San (santoshima): perhaps Pila could present that idea at the next guardian meeting? say more what he has in mind ~
Wol Euler: good idea
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): good idea.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): let me find the session wherein we discussed it...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I prob should have included this in the email
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2012/09/2012.09.17_19%3a00_-_So_Many_Angles_to_Ethics
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): It took a lot of organization and follow through for Pila to keep up with I-Ching workshop...
Bleu (bleu.oleander): love his phrase "re-enchantment of wisdom" :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Much appreciated too
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and what he says is that he is not really up to doing that again but my impression is that he'd like to be part of a workshop that might be similar
Eos Amaterasu: this is somewhat a topic of relation of PaB to action?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): say more please?
Eos Amaterasu: of wei to wu?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): certainly could be!
Agatha Macbeth: Wei to go
Eos Amaterasu: Ethics has to do with how we act....
Eos Amaterasu: PaB with how to be (to some extent).... so how to act?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :) Aggers
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): If we chose to do it we could actually start with the small Varela book again...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and set aside a few weeks, then come from another angle
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I-Ching met once a month I think, not each week
Agatha Macbeth: Aph! :))
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Aph
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Aph!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Aphrodite, glad you made it
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): How's Padua?
Eos Amaterasu: http://www.amazon.com/Ethical-Know-H...dp/0804730334/
Aphrodite Macbain: bongioorno
Wol Euler: whispers: hello aph! I'
Wol Euler: I'll send you a notecard of what we've said so far
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao, bella
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles- so nice to be here
Agatha Macbeth: So nice to have you
Bleu (bleu.oleander): have to slip out ... take care all :)
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks wol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): tc Bleu :)
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks aggers
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye bye
Eos Amaterasu: ciao bleu!
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Take care Bleu
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I also need to slip out -- I'm taking my niece to Quaker Meeting today. . .
Aphrodite Macbain: hi bye blue
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OH, wonderful Bruce
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): say hello for us :)
Agatha Macbeth: Quake well Brucie
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): We quack. but well.
Aphrodite Macbain: bye
Eos Amaterasu: :-), Bruce
Wol Euler: be bruce, have a ducky day
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So we'll come back to the ethics topics in a few weeks then... (btw if I seem a little off in pacing it is true, hah, didn't sleep much last night)
Agatha Macbeth: Quack
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): why wait a few weeks?
Agatha Macbeth: Aww *hugs Liz*
Eos Amaterasu: next guardian meeting
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well.. we still have 'topics' to choose this week
boxy's nose: Agatha Macbeth slowly strokes boxy's wet nose
Eos Amaterasu has a pillow hat somewhere....
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Boredom was a really fruitful topic!
Wol Euler: /me smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: It didn't bore anyone then?
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): we don't have much workshop proposals. i think we should fast-track this one.
Aphrodite Macbain: what made boredom so excciting?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well we can have a special session to work out details? like a theme session?
Wol Euler: boxy, given that it will follow after I-ching, and that I-ching will run until the end of the year, I personally feel that we have some leeway to work it out.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): re ethics?
Eos Amaterasu: you had to be there :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haha
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) I'll read the log
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
mighty pirate (alfred.kelberry): woly, ah. iching. yes, indeed.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): the topic from the week before was "connections" but perhaps it was too broad
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I dropped the ball on that one myself, having not seen it before I hosted
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but I didn't see it much when looking at other sessions... so I wonder if we want to pick it up in a different way
Eos Amaterasu: I think Aph? or Paradise? said it was 'connections between people'.... creating a good "framing" of a topic is an art
Aphrodite Macbain: I did?
Eos Amaterasu: I think it was Paradise
Agatha Macbeth: I think Para introduced it, yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) topic as art... like that
Agatha Macbeth: Often abstract art...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hahah
Aphrodite Macbain: my mind is too full of italian buildigs
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): rightly so Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: and getting lost a lot
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yay
Agatha Macbeth: Wow Aph, hope there's enough room
Aphrodite Macbain: and going the wrong way
Aphrodite Macbain: far too many times
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) maybe that is a good topic... getting lost
Aphrodite Macbain: wish you were here
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: getting lost-I can talk a lot about it
Eos Amaterasu: losing your way
Aphrodite Macbain: inventing new pathways
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bleu actually brought this up sort of, this morning... in talking about an artist who was in transition... in between expressions
Aphrodite Macbain: I find I can get lost a lot more happily on a full stomach
Eos Amaterasu: good theme, yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): are we all okay with that one? What is another idea?
Agatha Macbeth ponders 'in transition'
Aphrodite Macbain: what is the theme for this coming week?
Aphrodite Macbain: boredom\/
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that was last week Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: oops
Eos Amaterasu: boredom in Veniuce
Agatha Macbeth: Boredom II - the sequel?
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
San (santoshima): absence 101
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Absence is interesting
Aphrodite Macbain: can one get bored while getting lost?
Eos Amaterasu: can you say more about absence?
Aphrodite Macbain: When you find something you think you have lost, it is an exhilarating experience
Agatha Macbeth: Makes the heart grow fonder?
San (santoshima): :)
Aphrodite Macbain: absence makes the heart go fonder
Maxine Walden: seems to me one can be intrigued or maybe terrified when feeling lost, probably not so much bored
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) listens
Agatha Macbeth: Or is it 'out of sight is out of mind'?
Aphrodite Macbain: getting lost is the stuff of nightmares
Maxine Walden: agree, Aph, it can be so
Wol Euler: not knowing where you are, on the other hand, is the essence of exploration :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): dark fairy tales
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Wol
Wol Euler: there is a difrerence :)
Wol Euler: Lewis and Clark were not lost :)
Eos Amaterasu: to boldly go....
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): aimless wandering
Aphrodite Macbain: what is it that prevents us from not being terrified?
Maxine Walden: daring to explore our 'unknown worlds' which are also the residence of our doubts and terrors
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): beautiful Maxine
San (santoshima): curiousity, aph
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, "doubts and terrors" as a theme?
Wol Euler: oh, nice, we can take that as an aspect of Being Seen!
Wol Euler: self-seen
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Aphrodite Macbain: If I know the boundaries, and feel strong I wont get terrified. If I dont know the boundaries, I do
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I like these dark topics...
Maxine Walden: I spend a lot of time thinking, dwelling perhaps, in that region...the unknown....know the players well !! :)
Aphrodite Macbain: mmmm wonder why Wliza
Agatha Macbeth: Dark comes before the dawn
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Maxine
San (santoshima): { we are nothing if not dark topics }
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): indeed
Eos Amaterasu: dark matter matters
Aphrodite Macbain: we wouldn't recognize the light otherwise
boxy's nose: Wol Euler slowly strokes boxy's wet nose
Maxine Walden: dark matters matter
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles to think I phrased the notice for this session that we'd discuss matters and no matter
Aphrodite Macbain notes that Wol is loosing her leaves
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wow there is a lot here....
Agatha Macbeth: Leaf well alone
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eos Amaterasu: the perils of an autumn dress
Agatha Macbeth: Notes and nuts
Aphrodite Macbain: I think the subject of being lost, or looking for home is a wonderful topic
Agatha Macbeth: I agree Aph
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so being lost - with connotations of explorations (will use Maxine's phrasing to frame), and "Absence" ?
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: "lost" and "home" are pretty much opposites, aren't they ...
Aphrodite Macbain: the light and dark sides of being lost
Eos Amaterasu: and maybe "how dark matters matter" following that?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes for me they are Wol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): interesting
Maxine Walden: the opportunity and the dread perhaps, Aph
Maxine Walden: for me, Wol tis the state of mind which determines whether 'lost' and 'home' are opposites or companions
Aphrodite Macbain: I was in an old maze a few days ago and I must admit I found it a bit frightening
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): how wonderful
Wol Euler listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: fortunately there was a man up on top of the maze looking down
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): like a lifeguard?
Wol Euler: like a tennis umpire?
Wol Euler: heheh
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): heheh
Aphrodite Macbain: helping those who really lost it
Maxine Walden: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: he felt like some sort of god
Eos Amaterasu: sounds like a sally :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): night walk
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
Aphrodite Macbain: when I climed up and spoke to me he grinned at me and I noticed he had lost most of his teeth
Eos Amaterasu: Okay, on to Canadian Thanksgiving - bye all!
San (santoshima): oh right, forgot
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Happy Thanksgiving Eos!
San (santoshima): bye Eos
Wol Euler: bye eos
Agatha Macbeth: Happy flapjacks
Aphrodite Macbain: Happy thanksgiving to all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and to all Canadian friends
Maxine Walden: hard to end the hour here; entrancing conversation
Aphrodite Macbain: and pumpkin pie
Maxine Walden: yes, happy Thanksgiving!
San (santoshima): { & all the poor turkeys }
Aphrodite Macbain: No once celebrates it in Vicenza
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes Maxine, feel that too... hope that I can present the topics as intended
Aphrodite Macbain: ssoooo= next topic is getting lost?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): opportunities and dread in lostness
Wol Euler: nice
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): something like that....
Wol Euler: lostness as opportunity
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Aphrodite Macbain: i'll try it out for size at my 1pm
Wol Euler: the handbook could be Rebecca Solnit's "Field Guide to Getting Lost"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) follow the dralas...
Maxine Walden: sorry, have to go...
Maxine Walden: bye all
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the dralas are lost too?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Thank you maxine :)
Agatha Macbeth: See ya Liz
San (santoshima): same, bye and thank you everyone
Wol Euler: bye maxine, take care
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah Aggers
Aphrodite Macbain: llllaaaaallllaaaa
Wol Euler: bye san
Aphrodite Macbain: bye everyone. sniff
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I will miss your session today Aph due to another meeting but it will be hard!
Aphrodite Macbain: awww
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I know.... grrr
Aphrodite Macbain: have a good meeting
Agatha Macbeth: You can always do your dance Liz
Wol Euler: bye eliza, have a nap!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haha
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): okay...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ♬ 오빤~~강남 스~타일~~ ♪♪
Agatha Macbeth: YAY
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): -«☁ »- 옵.옵.옵.옵. -«☁ »-
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ♬ 헤~이 Sexy Lady~~ ♪♪
Lucinda Lavender: haha!!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) grins
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Agatha Macbeth: TY
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and Boxy sleeps through all the excitement
Agatha Macbeth: Bless him
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Agatha Macbeth: only time he's quiet
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) grins
Wol Euler: dear distracted boxy
Wol Euler: he's lost too
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): aw
boxy's nose: Wol Euler softly kisses boxy's nose
Aphrodite Macbain: he doesnt look too distressed
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So nice to see you all... yes a nap may be in order... gorgeous pictures btw Aph
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Nap well Liz
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye for now
Wol Euler: take care
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