2012.10.15 07:00 - Illuminated dualities

The Guardian for this meeting was szavanna Resident. The comments are by szavanna Resident.

 

Arisia Vita: welcome tobe

Arisia Vita: welcome Storm

Arisia Vita: great to see you both

Storm Nordwind: Hi all :)

Arisia Vita: anna is away for a few

Arisia Vita: welcome Xiri

Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)

toBe Destiny: blessings

Storm Nordwind waves

Arisia Vita: so, the theme this week is absence? and dark matters?

Arisia Vita: not sure what that means

toBe Destiny: why would these be put together

toBe Destiny: ?

Storm Nordwind: Ah... I was going to ask that myself

Xirana Oximoxi: I was wandering around 'abandoned' lands.... :)

toBe Destiny: off this is

Arisia Vita: good question toBe

toBe Destiny: nods

toBe Destiny: creativity and the development of consciousness

toBe Destiny: aware ness in the moment

Arisia Vita: for the newcomers...anna is away for a few mins

Xirana Oximoxi: the topic is open to choose in my view...not necessarily related one to other

Xirana Oximoxi: even is sometimes 'absence' may be seen as a 'dark' matter:)

Arisia Vita: as toBe said, creativity is all about making choices

Storm Nordwind: Not always

Arisia Vita: absence is often said to make the heart grow fonder

Arisia Vita: welcome Yak

toBe Destiny: yes

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Yaku! :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone

toBe Destiny: there is a context for this

toBe Destiny: a positive one

Yakuzza Lethecus: nice to see you again tobe

toBe Destiny: namaste

toBe Destiny: and peace

Storm Nordwind: Creativity can sometimes be about not making choices, by getting out of the way of choice, and letting something else come through

toBe Destiny: nods

toBe Destiny: true

toBe Destiny: and so there are methods to create this

toBe Destiny: being oout of one's own way

toBe Destiny: out*

 

--BELL--

 

Storm Nordwind: Method is perhaps overstating the case. You just do it. If you think about it and make it a method, you've already postponed it.

szavanna Resident: back ....hi all °͜° sorry had to go unexpectedly for a bit

toBe Destiny: perhaps

szavanna Resident: ty Ari for helping out

Storm Nordwind: Hi Szavanna

Arisia Vita: my pleasure

toBe Destiny: but there are methods in Buddhism for example

Xirana Oximoxi: hello sza!! no problem! :-)

toBe Destiny: as well as zen practice

szavanna Resident: hi Stomry, Xiri, Yaku and tobe °͜°

toBe Destiny: ... bows

szavanna Resident: *Stormy :)

szavanna Resident bows °͜°

Storm Nordwind: In my experience, they are only methods for getting to the point or points beyond method

Yakuzza Lethecus: szavanna :)

toBe Destiny: each person is unique

szavanna Resident: ( reading back a bit °͜°

toBe Destiny: as we all agree

toBe Destiny: and this is why there is some difficulty in talking about such things

szavanna Resident: I was not really sure about this weeks topic ...

szavanna Resident: I think it would be nice to add a video or a quote or two to get started?

szavanna Resident is still getting back into the rhythm of PaB sessions °͜°

Xirana Oximoxi: :)

szavanna Resident: smiles

szavanna Resident: if there is such a thing °͜°

Xirana Oximoxi: no worries:)) some are very quiet...some more active:))

szavanna Resident: "PaB rhythm"

toBe Destiny: the conversation will follow your lead

toBe Destiny: ok?

toBe Destiny: looks around

Storm Nordwind: There is some explanation of the theme - or at least musing - here, in the guardian session log: http://is.gd/eKAwRa

szavanna Resident: oh great thanks Storm

szavanna Resident: those sessions are still every second week?

Storm Nordwind: I believe so

szavanna Resident: what comes to your mind about absence

Arisia Vita: it makes the heart grow fonder....

szavanna Resident: like when missing someone?

Storm Nordwind: A circle, instead of a tick, in a schoolmaster's morning register :)

szavanna Resident: °͜° Stormy

Xirana Oximoxi: I have always heard this expression Ari...but I don't agree:)

szavanna Resident: I was thinking of .."not being aware fully"

Xirana Oximoxi: or maybe it depends on how long the 'absence' is:)

Storm Nordwind prefers "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder" ;)

szavanna Resident: can you tell more Xiri? may be examples?

Xirana Oximoxi: hehe lol Storm!! :) me too:)

 

--BELL--

 

Xirana Oximoxi: well..in my experience, I get really fond with people I have in the near....if people get too separated..at the end each one live his own live

Xirana Oximoxi: life*

Yakuzza Lethecus waves to eliza

Eliza Madrigal waves hello

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Eliza! :)

Xirana Oximoxi: bon dia:)

szavanna Resident: Liz °͜° welcome ;)

Eliza Madrigal: ty :)

szavanna Resident: we have started pondering about Absence

Storm Nordwind: Salvete

Xirana Oximoxi: our magicien Sza!!!! wonderful! :)

szavanna Resident: oh the flowers gone absent

szavanna Resident: my first thought about absent was ...that fact that I was absent at the beginning of the session

toBe Destiny: ha

szavanna Resident: I was here ....but also I wasn't

toBe Destiny: smiles

szavanna Resident: °͜°

toBe Destiny: yes there are various meanings to be absent

szavanna Resident: and I think many times we have that feeling ....that people are not really "there"

toBe Destiny: to be away from something

Eliza Madrigal: that's an interesting angle... yes, what does it mean to show up

szavanna Resident: their body is there ...but not their awareness

toBe Destiny: yes

szavanna Resident: ohh particles ;))

toBe Destiny: one can be committed to something

toBe Destiny: in a way that is preventing

toBe Destiny: or be absent from something and that absence benefical

toBe Destiny: in that moment

toBe Destiny: and in other moments

toBe Destiny: the Buddha might have talked about this

toBe Destiny: as living life to prepare for aiding in the reduction of suffering

toBe Destiny: to keep others and your self in mind in this sense

toBe Destiny: to judge based on what reduces suffering

toBe Destiny: in the moment

szavanna Resident: :)

toBe Destiny: and at a distance

szavanna Resident ponders

Eliza Madrigal: there was something I remember your quoting once Sza... that if someone doesn't understand your silence they will not understand your words... something of presence in that line, and words that don't obstruct?

Eliza Madrigal: is that similar to what you mean, toBe?

toBe Destiny: lovely

szavanna Resident: hmm yes I remember a bit - talking about that

toBe Destiny: yes

toBe Destiny: one makes an intention by not holding on to intention

szavanna Resident: there is a depth to understanding the silence between the words

szavanna Resident: the absence of words

toBe Destiny: if one intents to help reduce suffering one may get in the way

toBe Destiny: so there is a need to develop a capacity to understand the causes of suffering

Storm Nordwind: To understand, one has to "stand under", to be humble. One has to accept someone as they are - humbly - for understanding to dawn, in silence or in words.

toBe Destiny: and yet this need itself may become an obsticle

toBe Destiny: as we have all seen

toBe Destiny: in yoru personal lifes

toBe Destiny: our

toBe Destiny: *

toBe Destiny: mine included

szavanna Resident: hmm this reminds me of John Cage's piece

Eliza Madrigal smiles

szavanna Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E

szavanna Resident: I love this video

toBe Destiny: summarize

toBe Destiny: if you would please

toBe Destiny: ah

toBe Destiny: looks

Yakuzza Lethecus: bleu did a contribution to that once :)

szavanna Resident: yes °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: :)

szavanna Resident: just having complete silence throughout the whole piece

szavanna Resident: not one note happens

Xirana Oximoxi: I ilke this thought about understanding 'silence'

szavanna Resident: yes silence grabs me more than the word absence may be ...

szavanna Resident: since I am a musician I relate to it from a musical angel especially

 

--BELL--

 

Eliza Madrigal: this piece reminds me of Buddha holding the flower for Mahakasyapa :)

szavanna Resident: °͜° Liz

Storm Nordwind likes the sound of a "musical angel"

Xirana Oximoxi: the video of the concert is amazing:)

szavanna Resident: musical angel?

szavanna Resident: I love that video Xiri :)

Eliza Madrigal smiles

Storm Nordwind: [07:44] szavanna: since I am a musician I relate to it from a musical angel especially

szavanna Resident: oh sorry lol - what I meant was ...angle

Eliza Madrigal: angels in the architecture....

szavanna Resident: but I like that too °͜°

Storm Nordwind chuckles

szavanna Resident: giggles along °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: some have been considering having an ethics workshop, and it brings up different ways of approach, that one could take the content of situations and talk about what seems right to do do/measure in those situations, or more interestingly, one could get underneath the situations perhaps ...cultivate a quality of awareness that might kick in in, in any situation. The latter is more interesting to me

szavanna Resident: ethics workshop - at PaB?

Storm Nordwind: I'd also be interested, though I'd also like to discuss why ethics have evolved, how they vary, and how they're arrived at.

Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe at pab, or on its edges

Eliza Madrigal: to replace I-Ching workshop

Storm Nordwind: "Coming soon to a discussion area near you!" (Actually 256 meters away ;)

Eliza Madrigal laughs

szavanna Resident: hmm quality of awareness that "kicks in " °͜°

Yakuzza Lethecus: when will the first session be ?

Eliza Madrigal: well it seems the same question... including history and evolutions and variations of any topic, while staying in the still spot or heart of the matter

Eliza Madrigal: not sure yet Yaku.. beginning of year likely

szavanna Resident: sounds interesting ...so it is gonna start out from next year ? but what makes it different from the usual PaB sessions?

Eliza Madrigal: structure I suppose :)

Arisia Vita: in keeping with the theme, rl calls and I must "absent" myself from this lovely group...

Arisia Vita: it has been great being with you all

toBe Destiny: blessings

Eliza Madrigal: :) Ari, have a wonderful day

Arisia Vita: be well and happy

szavanna Resident: take care Ari

Storm Nordwind waves

szavanna Resident: ty for coming and helping out

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care ari

szavanna Resident: °͜°

Arisia Vita: see you all soon I hope

Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Ari! see you soon

Yakuzza Lethecus: i´ll also leave for now, have a great monday or rest of it :)

Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Yaku, you too

szavanna Resident: take care Yaku °͜° have a great week

Xirana Oximoxi: me too...have a nice day all!

szavanna Resident: byebyeee Xiri see u soon °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: :) Xiri - wait... when is the light and shadow exhibition?

Xirana Oximoxi: : see you soon!! :)

Xirana Oximoxi: I'll send the info and LM Eliza:)

szavanna Resident: oh there is a cultural fair also ...

Eliza Madrigal: ty :)

szavanna Resident: organized by Trill Zapatero

Xirana Oximoxi: you're welcome:)

Eliza Madrigal: the love fest?

szavanna Resident: not sure what it is actually

Eliza Madrigal: :)

szavanna Resident: but whatever Trill does is always exciting

Xirana Oximoxi: ok...I go now! I will be aware of the notices:)

Eliza Madrigal waves

szavanna Resident: byebyeee Xiri °͜°

Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye:)

 

--BELL--

 

szavanna Resident: what are your thoughts on silence in music Stormy

szavanna Resident: would love to hear a musician's angle °͜°

Storm Nordwind: An artist knows when to leave alone :)

szavanna Resident: leave alone?

Storm Nordwind: When to leave space for space to emerge

szavanna Resident: :)

szavanna Resident: I find that video amazing

szavanna Resident: the big concert hall

szavanna Resident: with all those people ...

szavanna Resident: even though there is silence ...... still there is so much going on

Storm Nordwind: In any art form, when one says much, one reduces the durability of a piece.

Storm Nordwind: The more one says, the more one takes away

szavanna Resident: hmm yes

szavanna Resident: imagine if people stopped talking ...and would communicate with more silence

Storm Nordwind: The more one leaves the viewer, or the listener, or the audience, to interpret - with pushing a "message" down their throats - the more likely the piece will survive many generations

Storm Nordwind: Sorry "without"

szavanna Resident: °͜° yes

Storm Nordwind: Not with!

szavanna Resident: when people ask me ...what I'd like to do .... if I had time ....to travel

szavanna Resident: I often say ...I wanna have a tea with a beduin in the Sahara

Storm Nordwind: Come and see me in the mountains!

szavanna Resident: ;))) yay

szavanna Resident packs bags and her violin

Storm Nordwind chuckles

szavanna Resident: ;o)

szavanna Resident: hmm so we did explore absence a bit

Eliza Madrigal: yes :)

szavanna Resident: I really wonder about dark matter

szavanna Resident: any thoughts?

toBe Destiny: there is not really any such thing

Storm Nordwind: Judging from the session log, it was things we consider as dark topics or narratives, rather than astronomical darl matter :)

toBe Destiny: perhaps

Eliza Madrigal: there was a really interesting session in which kori and wol talked about being formed by absences in lives...

toBe Destiny: it may be an absence of good

szavanna Resident: oh may be I could look for that session Eliza

Eliza Madrigal: some grow up without what seems key to others

Eliza Madrigal: I'll attach it as a comment when you post the session Sza

szavanna Resident: oh like me growing up without spiritual education?

Eliza Madrigal: yes!

szavanna Resident: thanks Liz °͜°

Storm Nordwind: I was once told by a psychologist that everyone has a dark side. They couldn't comprehend someone who was integrated.

Eliza Madrigal: some have illuminated dark sides :)

szavanna Resident: illuminated dark sides?

szavanna Resident: can u explain °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: lol

Eliza Madrigal: not sure... you know my language goes funny when I try some things...

szavanna Resident: was just pondering °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: :)

szavanna Resident: yes I can't imagine having only a "light side"

szavanna Resident: opposites help see things in depth

Eliza Madrigal nods

Eliza Madrigal: I think that's what I mean... illuminated dualities

szavanna Resident: ohh °͜° nice

Storm Nordwind: I told the psychologist politely that I disagreed with them ;)

szavanna Resident: disagreed with whom?

Storm Nordwind: I disagreed with their view that everyone has a dark side.

Eliza Madrigal: are you ever surprised by something you do or say or react to, Storm... something that seems to come from a hidden place?

Storm Nordwind: No

szavanna Resident: we don't?

toBe Destiny: i agree with Storam

toBe Destiny: there is a lot of non sense

 

--BELL--

 

toBe Destiny: in the psychological profession

toBe Destiny: perhaps

Eliza Madrigal: I am... it seems to me the nature of responsiveness, but then, perhaps people experience what that feels like in different ways

Storm Nordwind: Supposing - hypothetically of course - that you lived forever. Do you think it would be possible to know yourself well enough over time to longer be surprised like that?

Storm Nordwind: *no longer

Eliza Madrigal: it is a good question... touches the matter of memory

szavanna Resident ponders

Storm Nordwind: My experiences shape me. I don't remember all of them, not even remotely. But I can always perceive the shape of me.

Eliza Madrigal: Hello Hiero

szavanna Resident: Hiero °͜° come sit

Eliza Madrigal: that, is interesting Storm..

Hieronymus Box: hya, everyone

Eliza Madrigal: antidote... Recently in writing I found that names and people I am sure I forgot a long time ago, were just popping onto the pages without my intending to bring them up - I have a notoriously bad memory with names but there they were

Eliza Madrigal: uncanny... first and last names, small details

Eliza Madrigal: wild

Eliza Madrigal: I couldn't do that when I 'wanted to'

szavanna Resident: yes yes it happens to me also

szavanna Resident: remembered someone from my primary school

szavanna Resident: just like that out of the blue

toBe Destiny: blessing all

Eliza Madrigal: out of the blue, yes

toBe Destiny: bows

szavanna Resident: blessings toBe °͜° ty for coming

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for coming ToBe

Storm Nordwind: Though, I venture to suggest, that maybe your interactions with those people, long ago, made you what you are today.

Storm Nordwind: Or at least had some contribution

Eliza Madrigal: yes

szavanna Resident: true

szavanna Resident: what would I do without Storm :)

Storm Nordwind chuckles

Eliza Madrigal: indeed so... but they seemed to be kept in a dark place

szavanna Resident: smiles

szavanna Resident: hmm dark meaning hidden - abandoned

Eliza Madrigal: yes

Eliza Madrigal: seemingly absent?

szavanna Resident: yes

Eliza Madrigal: but not really? or so?

szavanna Resident: but still very much there

Storm Nordwind: Turning one's back on parts of oneself?

szavanna Resident: hmm yes

Eliza Madrigal: yes... like obscured views

szavanna Resident: I sometimes wonder ...if there is a clear wall between myself and the others hmm

Storm Nordwind suspects he's too narcissistic ever to do that!

Eliza Madrigal: :P

szavanna Resident: like ..it's not always so clear where I end and someone else begins

Eliza Madrigal: exactly Sza

Hieronymus Box: mmmm, maybe,,,,

Storm Nordwind: Does it matter?

szavanna Resident: hmm like I was shifting in and out of being Stormy and Eliza and Hiero and me

szavanna Resident: lol

szavanna Resident: did that make sense

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Storm Nordwind chuckles

szavanna Resident: hehe

Eliza Madrigal: it does, thanks for articulating it, lol

szavanna Resident: lol

szavanna Resident giggles to herself in RL

Eliza Madrigal giggles out loud too

Eliza Madrigal: "then I will know even as I'm known" ... have been thinking about that line a lot

szavanna Resident: so this is why ...I am not always so easily seeing .... if I have dark side or not

Storm Nordwind: Where's that from Eliza?

Eliza Madrigal: it is a bibilcal line... it is from a portion of scripture that describe spiritual gifts and yet says they are all worthless without love

Hieronymus Box: oh, dont worry, the dark side is in every one of us, (a little fighting with the phrase "dark")

Eliza Madrigal: Oh?

Eliza Madrigal: fighting?

 

--BELL--

 

szavanna Resident: what do you mean by "fighting with the phrase" Hiero

Hieronymus Box: mm, not really fighting like in a hand to hand combat, but I habe wants and imaginations, I hide, wishes, I dont show, which are opposit to the perception of myself

szavanna Resident: hmm yes

Eliza Madrigal: ah, I see

Hieronymus Box: the phrase "dark" includes a prejudgement to me

szavanna Resident: things we don't like or accept about ourselves?

Eliza Madrigal: dark means only not forefront to me , but yes I can see that... as though less desirable rather than just hidden

Hieronymus Box: these thing are a art of me, even if I dont live them, they are cause for a constant struggle....

Storm Nordwind: To me "dark" implies a lack of integration (for which, yes, one first needs acceptance).

Eliza Madrigal: stars are hidden in the day

Eliza Madrigal: I found the reference I was thinking of... seems to imply love as illumination I think

Eliza Madrigal: (incoming)

Eliza Madrigal: Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Eliza Madrigal: I'm glad I didn't drop all my Christian education :)

szavanna Resident: °͜° reading

Storm Nordwind: I seem to remember this at end of school year ceremonies

szavanna Resident: hi Korel °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: :) yes

Korel Laloix: Heya

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Korel

Korel Laloix: LOng session today it looks like.

Storm Nordwind: Hi!

szavanna Resident: I am just sitting and learning from Stormy and Liz

Eliza Madrigal: shhh you will make me look at the clock

szavanna Resident: I could do it for days °͜°

Korel Laloix: Sounds lovely... what topic today?

szavanna Resident: we have been talking about absence

Storm Nordwind: You are too kind Sza... and we learn from you too :)

Eliza Madrigal: Sza is too kind

Korel Laloix: There have been some good chats about that I think.

szavanna Resident: and also about darkness

szavanna Resident: smiles at all the wise ones °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: nods... I was really touched reading you and Wol actually, Korel

Korel Laloix: Oh thanks.. which one?

szavanna Resident: ah yes - looking forward to reading it

Korel Laloix: The one I posted?

Eliza Madrigal: you were sharing how absence has affected your development

Korel Laloix: Yes... that was a good chat.

Eliza Madrigal: Wol also... and then there was "nostalgia for the problems we no longer have"

szavanna Resident: ohh °͜°

Korel Laloix: That was the one I posted I think.

szavanna Resident: hmmm the problem we no longer have

Eliza Madrigal: neat idea... sort of like phantom limbs

szavanna Resident: I do that a lot .... looking back on all the problems I used to have ...and how much I learn from them

Storm Nordwind: Some people say that they "thrive on neglect:

Korel Laloix: I sort of thrive off of challenges, and when they are no longer there.. there is something missing.

szavanna Resident: true

szavanna Resident: sometimes one can get addicted to challenges and if they are not there ...one creates one ....

Eliza Madrigal: maybe where drivenness comes from in some cases... working something out... but, is it 'necessary'

Eliza Madrigal: yes, Sza!

szavanna Resident: hmm °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: it is a bit like Storm's suggestion that fear isn't needed in order to avoid pain

Korel Laloix: Thought provocing questions sz...

Korel Laloix: Probably the biggest source of drama in SL at least.

 

--BELL--

 

szavanna Resident: hi Xs welcome °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: Hello Xs

Korel Laloix: Heya

Hieronymus Box: hey, xs, take a seat

szavanna Resident: welcome to PaB :)

Eliza Madrigal: nice to meet you Xs

Xs Andree: shhh

Storm Nordwind: I will take my leave of you gentlefolk now. :)

szavanna Resident: is it your first time here?

Eliza Madrigal: bye Storm

szavanna Resident: byebyeee Gentle Storm °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Storm Nordwind: Namaste

szavanna Resident: take care :)

szavanna Resident: _/\_

Korel Laloix: ciao

szavanna Resident: oh thats a nice pose

szavanna Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: It is past time for me to go too... but I've really been interested in this topic and 'angels', thank you

Korel Laloix: These cusion are fun.

Korel Laloix: Take care.

szavanna Resident: ty Liz always lots great ideas

szavanna Resident: take care and have a fun week ❤

Xs Andree: Hello all. Namaste

Eliza Madrigal: sorry for being so pushy ... think I am super open after chanting :)

Hieronymus Box: srry, phome

Eliza Madrigal: ((( ))))

szavanna Resident: ohh I love when you are open

szavanna Resident: ;))

szavanna Resident: u should do more chanting ;p

Eliza Madrigal: is a bit much, like a giant puppy bounding in the room

Eliza Madrigal: sigh

Hieronymus Box: back, sorry...

Eliza Madrigal: bye for now

szavanna Resident giggles ;))

Eliza Madrigal: :)

szavanna Resident: byebyeeee see u soon

szavanna Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: thanks Sza, beautiful hosting

szavanna Resident: ty ;)))

szavanna Resident: Xs is it your first time here?

Xs Andree: I'm not certain

szavanna Resident: hmm let me give you a little note

Xs Andree: It could be the last time. Thank you.

szavanna Resident: we come together here 4 times a day for chats

szavanna Resident: about the meaning of the universe ;o)

Xs Andree: Oh. that is nice.

szavanna Resident: and we do record each chat ...and post it on our website

Korel Laloix: and to include life and evertying... smiles

Xs Andree looks over to Heironymus, "Thank you for inviting me"

szavanna Resident: yes hmm very wide topic °͜°

szavanna Resident: smiles

Hieronymus Box: you are welcome, xs :-)

szavanna Resident: hope you enjoy the PaB vibe

szavanna Resident: https://wiki.playasbeing.org

szavanna Resident: this is our site and you can also see some slideshows here

szavanna Resident: to give you an idea

szavanna Resident: how old is PaB now Korel?

szavanna Resident: it's an amazing SL project

szavanna Resident: depending on your interests of course

szavanna Resident: you might find interesting chats to join

Xs Andree: DId I come at the end of the discussion?

szavanna Resident: yes usually we start at 7amslt

szavanna Resident: so we are not really in the middle of anything °͜°

szavanna Resident: we have been talking about things that we call our dark side

Korel Laloix: I think like three years or four maybe.

Hieronymus Box: yes, andI missed it also, most f it...

szavanna Resident: or at least different ways and angles of looking at it

Xs Andree: That is okay. It is good to learn of this place.

szavanna Resident: oh all will be online

Korel Laloix: A rather eclectic group in some ways.

szavanna Resident: brb phone

Hieronymus Box: ok

Xs Andree: Hieronymus filled me in, but thank you.

szavanna Resident: back :)

Hieronymus Box: sza invited me to this place, am here the second time only

Hieronymus Box: welcome back, love

Korel Laloix smiles

szavanna Resident: each session has a guardian

szavanna Resident: now I am the guardian

Hieronymus Box: :-)

szavanna Resident: which means I help new people understand what we are all about

szavanna Resident: and also ...that we usually stop chatting every 15 minutes

szavanna Resident: for 90 seconds

Xs Andree nods

szavanna Resident: which helps to quiet the mind ...and not overheat lol

Korel Laloix: I like it becuase it lets me hear new perspectives and helps me with parts of my English that I do not get to touch very often.

Hieronymus Box: thats a good thing......

szavanna Resident: oh yes it takes time for me also ....being hungarian

szavanna Resident: to get into the rhythm

Hieronymus Box: or german like me :-)

szavanna Resident: smiles

szavanna Resident: I have been around in PaB for at least 2 years

 

--BELL--

 

Xs Andree smiles

szavanna Resident: and each session gives me somthing to ponder on .....

Xs Andree: We can continue talking if you like. I don't think this is my first time here. I think it is my last.

szavanna Resident: your last? did we scare you?

szavanna Resident: °͜°

Hieronymus Box: your last?

Xs Andree smiles

Korel Laloix: OK... just not for everyone.

Xs Andree: Not at all. It is just that time isn't experienced the same for everyone. I feel like i know this place.

szavanna Resident: it's been around for long yes

szavanna Resident: I found it through Eliza actually

szavanna Resident: when did you came to PaB Korel

Hieronymus Box: it is quiet, without the usual disturbances and sensations of other places in sl, as I came here the first time, I felt very homy....

szavanna Resident: *come

Xs Andree: It is like a deck of cards, some peoples lives get shuffled in upside down, but you can't tell because of the symetry of the cards.

Korel Laloix: Might have been 2009 or so.

Korel Laloix: Can't remember.

szavanna Resident: :) me too around there

Korel Laloix: I ahve been in SL since 2005 so some of it runs together.

Xs Andree: so some lives are experienced backward

szavanna Resident: hmm interesting Xs

Hieronymus Box: brb

Xs Andree: I know what you mean, Keril

Korel Laloix: Been in SL for more than a quarter of my life... strange thought.

szavanna Resident: come lives get shuffled upside down ... hmm can u explain more - it sounds really interesting

szavanna Resident: *some

Korel Laloix: Explain what?

szavanna Resident: I meant Xs

Korel Laloix: OH OK... smiles

szavanna Resident: what she means by "some lives get shuffled upside down"

Hieronymus Box: back....

szavanna Resident: wb :)

Xs Andree: The flow of time is a perspective. It isn't reality. If we were to drive from say, Berlin to Paris...

Xs Andree: We would see the countryside slip by and change outside the car window. Very exciting, to be sure, but the changes we witness aren't changes at all

szavanna Resident ponders

Xs Andree: To say that Berlin no longer exists after we leave it, and that Paris doesn't exist until we arrive, is the same as saying that the past and future do not exist

Xs Andree: The road is always there, so is the past and future

Hieronymus Box: mmm.....

Xs Andree: Time is a dimension, and interconnected with the three dimensional space, perpindicular to all points in space

szavanna Resident: isn't it only the present moment that is really there?

Xs Andree: The past and the future exist, even though our perspective hasn't arrived there yet

szavanna Resident: hmm interesting :)

szavanna Resident: but once we get there it becomes present again no?

Xs Andree: I"m not sure.

Hieronymus Box: no, it cant get present AGAIN

szavanna Resident: mmm °͜°

Xs Andree: For us, certainly. But if I look at...my glass of orange soda on the end table, just because I can't see the backside of it, doesn't mean it isn't there. It is more about perspective. Recently I've come across several events in which I've had conversations with people I felt I already knew. They would say things out of the blue that I could not understand until the future became my present, and then all was clear.

szavanna Resident: :))

szavanna Resident: yes

Xs Andree: Our experience in time were reversed

Xs Andree: They remembered things from their future, not knowing why...it was their past.

 

--BELL--

 

szavanna Resident: really interesting thought Xs

Hieronymus Box: nods

szavanna Resident: I personally don't ponder too much what is past or present of future .... I like to just enjoy the moment °͜°

Xs Andree: When I meet someone I felt as if I've known forever, I try to remember that, and it helps in my relationship with them. I trust the things they say that seem random, and watch for cues from my future.

Xs Andree nods

Xs Andree: It is the only moment we can make change

Xs Andree: ...kind of.

Xs Andree: I had my entire past rewritten for me, so...I'm not altogether convinced of that, but I know that the present is the eternal moment we have to influence the world. There is no other moment that is more important.

Hieronymus Box: each single moment offers a multitude of possibilities and our decisions in this discrete moment form the future.....

szavanna Resident: I think there is so much more to life .... if we were more aware may be ....we would discover more and more depth ....and things might become obvious .....things that might like like miracles now ....

szavanna Resident: *things that look like miracles now

Xs Andree grins wide

szavanna Resident: ;))

Xs Andree: I couldn't agree more, especially after this tummer..and...why do I keep changing poses?

Korel Laloix: It is an autochanger script.

szavanna Resident: yes I wondered about that too Xs - why you 2 keep changing poses :)

szavanna Resident: Storm made it?

Xs Andree: oh, okay, I was looking for an ao conflict

Korel Laloix: No, freebees.

Xs Andree: /ao off

Hieronymus Box: in some (very metaphysical) new theories, there is the idea of the multiverse, a reality, created by taking another choice

Xs Andree: ahh, there it is

szavanna Resident: what happened this summer?

Korel Laloix: THe reguclar cussions stay in one pose.

Xs Andree: String theory in physics points to that very same thing.

Hieronymus Box: nods

Hieronymus Box: (I dont know much about string theory at all)

szavanna Resident googles

Korel Laloix: It was coverd in my physics class which I forgot the evening of the final... smiles

Xs Andree: New scientific theories are coming to light which suggest that the answer of the universe, or God, or whatever...is Yes...to everything. All things, and all possibilities exist, closer to us than the clothes we wear. It would be entirely feasable for scientiests to just ignore it, however, the implications provide solutions to some of the most perplexing questions science has, like why gravity is a billion billion billion billion billion and more times weaker than electromagnetism...the answer is that all possibilities exist in a universe much more complex than we can imagine.

Xs Andree: lol Korel

szavanna Resident: the answer is that all possibilities exist in a universe much more complex than we can imagine.

szavanna Resident: °͜°

Hieronymus Box: nods

szavanna Resident: reminds me of my granddad

szavanna Resident: who was a mathematician

Xs Andree: i know huh? When they found the Higgs boson, or more accurately, evidence of the hisggs feild, right where they predicted it would be...it was an amazing moment.

szavanna Resident: hmm let me try and find that quote

Xs Andree: kk

Hieronymus Box: yes

szavanna Resident: oh I am not sure where I should look hmm

Xs Andree: July 4, 2012

Xs Andree: umm..you can go to You Tube and look up umm...

szavanna Resident: oh no I was just wondering what my grandad said hehe

szavanna Resident: brb one moment

Xs Andree: "Parallel Universe" it is the first link that isn't paid for. Michu Kaku is pictured, and it says "Parallel universes 1/5"

Xs Andree: oh, okay