The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The photo is by Bruce Mowbray.

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Kori.
Korel Laloix: Osiyo
Korel Laloix: How have you been Bruce?

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Well, I've been sort of good.
Korel Laloix: Sort of?
Korel Laloix: Do tell.
Bruce Mowbray: Took a walk with my dog this afternoon and felt short of breath most of the time, though.
Korel Laloix: I take it in a not normal sort of way?
Bruce Mowbray: Someone told me that a lounge chair of mine got lost under the pavilion, so I'm going to look for it... Just a sec.
Korel Laloix: ok
Korel Laloix: Right under me.
Bruce Mowbray: How on earth does one look UNDERNEATH the pav?
Bruce Mowbray: Can you see it?
Korel Laloix: Yes.
Korel Laloix: Use your camera controls to pan below the floor.
Zon Kwan: heya
Korel Laloix: If you activate your camera controls in the view menu.
Bruce Mowbray: Doesn't work for me. As soon as the pan hits the ground, it follows the ground -- can't go beneath it.
Korel Laloix: You can look below the floor Bruce.
Bruce Mowbray: Yep, those are the controls I'm using.
Korel Laloix: You have to turn that off.
Korel Laloix: If you trust me, you can give me edit rights to your stuff and I can move it for you.
Bruce Mowbray: I trust you, but I want to learn how to do this.
Bruce Mowbray: So, do I want "Object View"?
Korel Laloix: Will look for the option to turn off camera limitations.
Korel Laloix: one sec.
Bruce Mowbray: It goes vertically (UP) just fine -- but going down, I can't get beneath the ground.
Korel Laloix: There is an option I am looking for to turn that off.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zon.
Bruce Mowbray: What do you mean by "that" -- as in turn "that" off?
Korel Laloix: There is an option that stops your camera at the ground.
Korel Laloix: If you turn that off you can go under ground.
Bruce Mowbray: I am looking a preferences in SL Viewer.... Don't see that option.
Bruce Mowbray: kk. How do I give you permissions on an object that I can't even see?
Bruce Mowbray: kk. I think I found it. It was in the "Advanced" -- 'disable camera constraints'.
Korel Laloix: That is it.
Bruce Mowbray: YES!!!!
Korel Laloix: Was just going to say... smiles
Bruce Mowbray: kk. Now the chair is gone.
Korel Laloix: Great...
Korel Laloix: Glad I could sort of help.
Bruce Mowbray: You helped! You sent me looking for the right control/option.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
Korel Laloix: I had a bath this month, I promise.
Korel Laloix: You can sit closer.
Korel Laloix: Come on Zon.. submit to the peer pressure.. smiles
Bruce Mowbray: So, Kori, what do you think of the first First American saint?
Zon Kwan: sniffs
Bruce Mowbray: The Mohawk lady.
Zon Kwan: smells ok
Korel Laloix: Like I had up in the last art project I put up you mean?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, my understanding was that she was recently canonized.
Bruce Mowbray: Don't recall what you had in the last art project, though...
Bruce Mowbray: (sry).
Korel Laloix: One sec.

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: Finding the notecard now.
Zon Kwan: thx :)
Korel Laloix: One sec...
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49485707/ns/world_news-europe/#.UIMGY4YidTE
Zon Kwan: afk
Korel Laloix: Will have to dig it up... not sure why I don't have it.
Bruce Mowbray: np.
Korel Laloix: Anyway..... Glad there is some recognition.
Korel Laloix: But not really a fan of that part of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox traditions.
Korel Laloix: I don't see a Biblical precedent for it.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, the Catholic Church claims to have existed before the Biblical Canon -- and it selected the official Church canon in the 4th Century A.D., so maybe the Church can claim authority there... but PLEASE, I'm in no way part of that.
Bruce Mowbray: Speaking of recognition,
Bruce Mowbray: Is it all right with you that I name you and San as collaborators on the next Art as Being project?
Korel Laloix: http://www.katerishrine.com/
Korel Laloix: As I have not really helped, I am not sure that would be appropriate.
Korel Laloix: But if you like... smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Oh, interesting!
Bruce Mowbray: But I need collaborators!
Korel Laloix: If you need advice.. I can sort of.. but I will be very busy until Nov 5th.
Bruce Mowbray: How about if I get the whole thing assembled in the Dome, and then you come and make critical comments -- or whatever -- and then I can say you were a collaborator?
Bruce Mowbray: pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze....
Korel Laloix: Sure... smiles
Korel Laloix: If you like.
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! You're a dear.
Korel Laloix: I have a project I am trying to work on, but will not have time to finish it or work on it until November.
Bruce Mowbray: Looks like we've put Zon to sleep.

Korel Laloix: I am not very motivated at the moment.... so understandable.
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. That's a bit shy of the showing on Oct 28th.
Korel Laloix: I know.. smiles
Korel Laloix: I may still work on it and hand it out anyway.
Bruce Mowbray: kk. So, the Bleu Board says that this week's topic was supposed to be "Dark Matter - Absence..."
Bruce Mowbray: Don't understand why the "dread" though.
Bruce Mowbray: Oh --- The dread was for last week.
Bruce Mowbray: "How dark matters matter."
Korel Laloix: Lots of ways you can take that topic.
Bruce Mowbray: indeed, there are.
Korel Laloix: I have not read the other transcripts though.
Bruce Mowbray: I'm assuming that "dark" means "absence of light."
Korel Laloix: Absence has been in my thoughts a lot recently so I talk about that a bit.
Korel Laloix: Or it could mean evil or a similar idea.
Bruce Mowbray: or absence of understanding, meaning, significance, etc.
Korel Laloix: For me it was absence of family growing up.
Bruce Mowbray: I'd love to hear your thoughts on Absence, Kori.
Korel Laloix: And how that might have effected me.
Korel Laloix: I just wonder what I would be like if I had actually had parents.
Bruce Mowbray: Was it like a vacuum?
Korel Laloix: How that absence affected me.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I think I understand.
Bruce Mowbray: I did have parents, but much of the time they were also "absent."
Bruce Mowbray: My father traveled a lot as a trouble-shooter for a pharmaceutical company in Iowa.
Korel Laloix: My aunts have been trying to track down my father now for a year or so... frowns
Korel Laloix: Will be strange if they actually figure it out.
Bruce Mowbray: Times were better at home when he WAS absent.
Korel Laloix: Oh.. does not sound like a good situation.
Korel Laloix: And that is why I am not sure it would have helped me in any way.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, he was an alcoholic -- and a very angry person.
Korel Laloix: Because present parents can be a bad things as well.
Korel Laloix: My mom was physically present in my life, but emotionally absent.
Bruce Mowbray: yes, indeed, they can.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: When my father died, my sister was only six.
Bruce Mowbray: and my mother made the bold statement that my sister was better off with a good "image" of her father than with the real man.
Bruce Mowbray: (afk for a sec)
Korel Laloix: Ouch.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, San!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Ewan!
Korel Laloix: Heya
Ewan Bonham: Hi Folks..
Bruce Mowbray: But here's the amazing thing, Kori:
Santoshima Resident: hello :)
Bruce Mowbray: Two weeks ago, when my sister's daughter was here at the farm -- on our way to New York,,,,,
Bruce Mowbray: she wanted to know everything about her grandfather.. (my sister's father)
Bruce Mowbray: because my sister only knew him until she was six years old.
Bruce Mowbray: So -- there's an "absence" for you!
Bruce Mowbray: We built a "coherent narrative"
Bruce Mowbray: I tried to fill in all of her "blanks" as well as I could -- and with honesty and integrity.
Ewan Bonham: Do we then add to it?
Bruce Mowbray: It was a very good experience for both of us -- but we had to skip a whole generation to do it.
Bruce Mowbray: "Add to it"?  Don't know what you mean, Ewan.
Ewan Bonham: You answered it by saying that you tried to fill in the blanks...smile 
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was simply a matter of her asking questions and my answering them as honestly as I could.
Bruce Mowbray: but, of course, those answers came from MY perspective....
Bruce Mowbray: and I emphasized that.
Bruce Mowbray: I feel, personally, that family history (the narrative) is very important.
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that a coherent narrative is required for self-worth, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: Doesn't really matter if there was abuse, or if one parent was alcoholic and the other borderline psychotic.... the narrative is still very important.
Bruce Mowbray: so, that's what I tried to give my niece -- because she asked for it.
Ewan Bonham: Yes, I know I have a yearning for it..
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, indeed, Ewan.
Bruce Mowbray: and so did I.
Bruce Mowbray: But in families where alcoholism is present, it is quite common to keep things secret.
Ewan Bonham: Nods..
Bruce Mowbray: Must put on a good face, and all that.
Bruce Mowbray: Don't say what you mean. Don't mean what you say.
Bruce Mowbray: Confusing to the kids, for sure.
Bruce Mowbray: But these things CAN be healed.
Zon Kwan: back
Bruce Mowbray: welcome back, Zon. I missed you.
Zon Kwan: hehe
Bruce Mowbray: Even now, I feel a bit of restraint in saying these things I have said about families -- as if I had betrayed my own family of origin in some way.
Bruce Mowbray: So, there's a bit of "dark matter" for you!
Ewan Bonham: So used to keeping secrets..
Bruce Mowbray: O yes.
Bruce Mowbray: As if those secrets could protect us from . . . . [what?]
Ewan Bonham: Smile..
Bruce Mowbray: Familial loyalty is one of the strongest social tugs.
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe even stronger than genetics -- which is also a family tug.
Bruce Mowbray ponders "tribal loyalties" as also being strong.
Korel Laloix: Can be.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray feels that the important thing is that each person be loyal to herself
Ewan Bonham: Nod..
Zon Kwan: nods
Bruce Mowbray: "To thine own self be true, and it shall follow as the night the day, thou canst then not be false to any man."
Bruce Mowbray: Ironically, that statement was said by Polonius.
Bruce Mowbray: who was quite a faker, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: (Hamlet)
Ewan Bonham: I must excuse myself folks...thank you for interesting recollection...:)
Bruce Mowbray: Dost thou make thy depart, Ewan?
Bruce Mowbray: Alas!
Bruce Mowbray: BYE, Ewan!
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Santoshima Resident: SL repertory theatre has a "Polonius skin available if anyone wishes to avail
Santoshima Resident: it's very good
Bruce Mowbray: Once I get into Elizabethan mode of discourse, I'm insufferable.
Zon Kwan: ?
Korel Laloix: It took me two years to find a skin that I liked.. will stay with this one.. thanks though.. smiles
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! A Polonius skin?
Santoshima Resident: yep
Zon Kwan: Polonius skin ?
Santoshima Resident: yup
Bruce Mowbray: where is that?
Zon Kwan: what is it
Santoshima Resident: let me find a LM
Bruce Mowbray: Oh, you're a dear.
Santoshima Resident: they are closed, but the sim seemed to still be intact last time i looked
Bruce Mowbray: np. I shall stay with my own skin, then.
Santoshima Resident: Globe Theatre
Bruce Mowbray: Cool!
Santoshima Resident: got it, will send Bruce
Zon Kwan: what is a Polonius skin ?
Bruce Mowbray: OH! THANKS, San!
Santoshima Resident: the actor's avi wore
Korel Laloix: Something silly and Shakespearish I am sure.
Santoshima Resident: or rather, it is the avi for that character
Bruce Mowbray: Will definitely check that one out.
Zon Kwan: must go, waves
Santoshima Resident: bye Zon
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Zon.
Santoshima Resident: I'd give you mine, Bruce,
Santoshima Resident: but it is no transfer
Bruce Mowbray: TY, San. I have it.
Santoshima Resident: excellent, have fun
Bruce Mowbray: I have the LM, anyway.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, San!
Bruce Mowbray: Got it again!
Santoshima Resident: still here, going soon
Bruce Mowbray: Don't mean to rush you off.
Santoshima Resident: not at all ... this animation hops me up when typing
Bruce Mowbray: Kori's animation also hops her a bit.
Korel Laloix: These cushions are a bit odd.. but adds some movement.
Bruce Mowbray: need to click on "meditate" San.
Santoshima Resident: they need to cycle more slowly perhaps
Korel Laloix: I agree.. but they are no mod I think.
Korel Laloix: The absence of a menu.
Bruce Mowbray ponders what it would be like to meditate lying on his belly with head in hands.
Korel Laloix: That looks painful Bruce.
Korel Laloix: Give it a try.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I agree.
Santoshima Resident: it does a little
Korel Laloix: My medication is when I run.
Santoshima Resident: :)
Korel Laloix: So having my face in my hands could be hazardous.. smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Ahh! and also your meditation, Kori -- wonderful!
Korel Laloix: Good to see where you are going.
Santoshima Resident: bye for now ~ be well!
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, San!
Korel Laloix: Funny enough.. I meant to say meditation and ended up with medication.
Korel Laloix: lol
Bruce Mowbray: I shall also make my Adieu.
Korel Laloix: Was thinking of my next shot of cold stuff I think.
Bruce Mowbray: I am envious of your running, Kori.
Korel Laloix: OK.. thanks for the chat.
Bruce Mowbray: Wish I could still do that.
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you!
Korel Laloix: It is my only real addiction.
Korel Laloix: Ciao bello.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.